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    Quote Originally Posted by StainlessSteelRat View Post
    The internet is not regulated at all.....yet......is that bad? If not, why is radio/TV/print any different? If yes, please explain what regulations are needed to improve the internet.
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    What are you talking about? What regulations that I argue for? I argue for a regulated market overall which includes regulations on how many different radio stations one single company or CEO may own. More importantly how many (just one) mediums one may own. This to increase diversity.


    And the de-regulation of the media is a classic: Thesis-anti thesis event.
    A cause and effect event.

    Statistics talk for themselves. When Reagen started de-regulating 23 companies shared a majority stake in media overall. Now just 5 do it. Simple logic. Abandone your intrenched principles before its to late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StainlessSteelRat View Post
    The internet is not regulated at all.....yet......is that bad? If not, why is radio/TV/print any different? If yes, please explain what regulations are needed to improve the internet.
    The internet isn't regulated?

    If you mean that you can say what you want and what you think: then yes, the internet is not regulated. I completely agree with that.

    Neither is the media, except a few select national broadcasters from what I understand. You have to set appart each regulation from the other.
    All regulations aren't bad, all aren't good. That is the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tharkon Fargor View Post
    What are you talking about? What regulations that I argue for? I argue for a regulated market overall which includes regulations on how many different radio stations one single company or CEO may own. More importantly how many (just one) mediums one may own. This to increase diversity.


    And the de-regulation of the media is a classic: Thesis-anti thesis event.
    A cause and effect event.

    Statistics talk for themselves. When Reagen started de-regulating 23 companies shared a majority stake in media overall. Now just 5 do it. Simple logic. Abandone your intrenched principles before its to late.
    The point is, other regulation that was left in place prevents competitors from entering the market. So, yes, that specific bit of deregulation had negative affects BUT ONLY in conjunction w/ existing regulation that effectively bars entry into the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tharkon Fargor View Post
    The internet isn't regulated?
    No, it's not.

    Anyone can make a website and say whatever they want on that website.

    Sure, anything illegal will still be illegal but that's not regulation (for the loli pr0n fan).

    And no, you can't do that w/ other media. The FCC regulates the other media through licenses/taxes/etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StainlessSteelRat View Post
    No, it's not.

    Anyone can make a website and say whatever they want on that website.

    Sure, anything illegal will still be illegal but that's not regulation (for the loli pr0n fan).

    And no, you can't do that w/ other media. The FCC regulates the other media through licenses/taxes/etc.
    And you can't in a radio show as long as it's not illegal? Then I obviously disagree with that specific regulation.
    I how ever agree with the fact that there must be many different ISP providers, many different domain providers and that cartels or monopolies should be regulated out of existance.


    The constitution and the human rights chapter in the UN grants you the right to say what you want on any media. Which chapter in the FCC denies you this right as long as it is not something illegal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tharkon Fargor View Post
    It has to do with the fact that George Bush was not a "centrist" politician but an extreme right winger that was just a hell of alot more authoritharian and dumb than most free-market proponents. What ever someone has told you, yes you can have an authoritharian government, a fucking police state and still be for free-markets. As long as you leave the markets alone or make it even easier for the rich by lowering mainly their taxes to have like "equal" taxes on all citizens which is definetly a free-market ideal instead of progressive taxation.

    Bush ass fucked the American people and so has clinton, Bush Senior and Reagan.
    They all made it easier for big companies to unite forces and create undefeatable monopolies over markets. Which still in free-market theory can be outcompeted but in practise can't because of the LACK of regulations prohibiting already large companies to merge.

    They made it easier for banks to loan out cash and even more fuck your country up.
    All of them except Clinton lowered taxes for the rich, step for step removing the progressive tax and making it even harder for middle and workingclass families.

    None of them did any real shit to nationalize or subsidize healthcare. Hillary tried but then was both scared and bribed into not doing it with the largest healthcare company donation in history...

    Education has been screwed up completely. Not because of any lack of funding. You can fucking pour your entire GDI in it. But because of lack of regulations. You've even gone so far to ALLOW corporations and organisations to "sponsor" schools by having advertisements in schoobooks and other places. HAIL the free market! Objective and unbiased teaching is a thing of the past...Yes schools in america have fucking advertisement in them or around them put there by big corporations. If that happend in Sweden you'd have people burning down the companies offices, but you have grown so fucking numb that you don't even feel it.

    The problem with your education system is not the funding. You fucking overfund everything, at least according to yourselves. It is the godamn lack of godamn REGULATIONS and guidelines that is the problem. So it is not the fact that your government taxes you and takes your money and pours it into different aspects of your country that make it be "socialist" and thus not free-market. That just makes the society more statist and less libertarian on the scale. Which doesn't really matter, it's just a preference. Private funded or state funded.


    It is THE FUCKING LACK OF REGULATIONS that make your country a bastion of Free-Markets and thus an anus of the world. It is that which makes your education shitty, your media so godamn corrupt and your healthcare horrible. It is not the fact that you put in a little or alot of money in it. It is the lack of regulations.
    So Bitch! Our guns are bigger!

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    I'm sure the continous cheering by the zealous idiots that make up TDS and TCR audience made you believe that he was making some sort of important point, but no. I've jokingly called social justice et al a religion with similar arguments before, but nobody ever said that I was "owning" anything, saying so would have been flattering but it would have also made me embarassed beacuse it'd have made it obvious that I'm supported by half-wits(situations like this have arised before on different topics, it's pretty awkward).
    You're just lying to yourself, swede.


    And you can't say whatever you want on radio shows ever since Roosevelt decided that radiowaves are public property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kusghuul View Post
    it is. No more loli pr0n for me=(
    Since loli pron is illegal on any medium, it's loli pr0n that's regulated not the internet. If loli was legal someplace else, just not on the internet then your statement would be correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jezrith View Post
    Since loli pron is illegal on any medium, it's loli pr0n that's regulated not the internet. If loli was legal someplace else, just not on the internet then your statement would be correct.
    Drawn child porn is only illegal in Canada and most of Europe and some other places. In the US the SCOTUS ruled the ban of it unconstitutional.

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    you fucking wankers. seriously. Sure, we all wank. but you're fucking wankers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardboiled View Post
    Drawn child porn is only illegal in Canada and most of Europe and some other places. In the US the SCOTUS ruled the ban of it unconstitutional.
    If it's unconstitutional to have a ban on drawing it, then it's most likely going to end up being unconstitutional to have ban on posting that drawing onto the internet as well, in the US anyway...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tharkon Fargor View Post
    And you can't in a radio show as long as it's not illegal? Then I obviously disagree with that specific regulation.
    I how ever agree with the fact that there must be many different ISP providers, many different domain providers and that cartels or monopolies should be regulated out of existance.

    The constitution and the human rights chapter in the UN grants you the right to say what you want on any media. Which chapter in the FCC denies you this right as long as it is not something illegal?
    Why do you think words are *bleeped* out?

    You don't need regulation to ensure there are many ISP providers..... you just need gov't to leave ISP providing alone; same for domain providers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jezrith View Post
    If it's unconstitutional to have a ban on drawing it, then it's most likely going to be unconstitutional to have ban on posting that drawing onto the internet as well.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon#United_States

    It's legal struggle is an interesting story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StainlessSteelRat View Post

    You don't need regulation to ensure there are many ISP providers..... you just need gov't to leave ISP providing alone; same for domain providers.
    That's EXACLY what staistics show didn't happen when the media market was deregulated.

    Like, facts and statistics don't matter in your little fantasy world, do they?


    And words are bleeped out because they want to be kept on prime time and in "family packages". Obviously families should have the choice not to have TV shows with swearwords in them. They can still say them Bullshit says them all the time.
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