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    I've noticed that the swedes are the most fanatic supporters of freedom and ron paul and whatnot here apart from the Americans. That's pretty damn weird!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atnas View Post
    I've noticed that the swedes are the most fanatic supporters of freedom and ron paul and whatnot here apart from the Americans. That's pretty damn weird!
    It isn't if you think about it.

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    Your subjective opinion sucks..

    Here is my objective opinion. It's better, seriously.

    Honestly, It's a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killuminati View Post
    you're a complete imbecile

    You are now trying to equate us to marxists simply because we are speaking facts. Unless Bush was a diehard proponent of the free-market then you would have a point, but as of now you are making sad pathetic attacks because we don't subscribe to your idiotic thinking.
    hahah fuck you killuminati boy your dumb.

    Bush might not be a diehard proponent, just the same critcism fundamentalist islamists or marxists give to anyone ellse trying to change the world a little bit in their direction.

    Bush ran on a limiting the state powers and lowering taxes. Which he did in every term except surveilence and war. That No child left behind is bullshit. Read into it a bit. It's nothing more than a program to stress out children even more, to chase the higher grades and to bribe schools to either force children to go for it, exclude stupid children or fake grades.

    He ain't done shit to help the workingclass american in their situation, he ain't done shit to force corrupt companies to lower their fees when it comes to healthcare or other things. He ain't done shit for education, he ain't done shit for any real PRACTICAL freedoms that a workingclass family can have some use from. All he's done is make it easier for the rich and harder for the poor except a few public stunts which even them aren't real.

    So he may not be a follower of the holy god of fucking Ayn Rand or he may not have read the bible of "Wealth of Nations" but he sure as hell has moved in that direction and I thank god or who ever it is one can thank symbolicly that he didn't move even further.
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    Fuck you and that cult leader, Ayn Rand. Also, what the hell does the NCLB Act have to do with anything right now? I didn't know that was a free-market policy. Its pretty funny you actually said that he ran on limiting state power. That is pretty much irrelevant...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aragoni View Post
    Never understood why people hate unions. It's just a natural way for the workers to get a better life and get more influence on the place they are working at. It's not against free-market principles either (Right?).
    and become cocky lazy worthless piles of shit who get away with shoddy work and customer service.
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    It has to do with the fact that George Bush was not a "centrist" politician but an extreme right winger that was just a hell of alot more authoritharian and dumb than most free-market proponents. What ever someone has told you, yes you can have an authoritharian government, a fucking police state and still be for free-markets. As long as you leave the markets alone or make it even easier for the rich by lowering mainly their taxes to have like "equal" taxes on all citizens which is definetly a free-market ideal instead of progressive taxation.

    Bush ass fucked the American people and so has clinton, Bush Senior and Reagan.
    They all made it easier for big companies to unite forces and create undefeatable monopolies over markets. Which still in free-market theory can be outcompeted but in practise can't because of the LACK of regulations prohibiting already large companies to merge.

    They made it easier for banks to loan out cash and even more fuck your country up.
    All of them except Clinton lowered taxes for the rich, step for step removing the progressive tax and making it even harder for middle and workingclass families.

    None of them did any real shit to nationalize or subsidize healthcare. Hillary tried but then was both scared and bribed into not doing it with the largest healthcare company donation in history...

    Education has been screwed up completely. Not because of any lack of funding. You can fucking pour your entire GDI in it. But because of lack of regulations. You've even gone so far to ALLOW corporations and organisations to "sponsor" schools by having advertisements in schoobooks and other places. HAIL the free market! Objective and unbiased teaching is a thing of the past...Yes schools in america have fucking advertisement in them or around them put there by big corporations. If that happend in Sweden you'd have people burning down the companies offices, but you have grown so fucking numb that you don't even feel it.

    The problem with your education system is not the funding. You fucking overfund everything, at least according to yourselves. It is the godamn lack of godamn REGULATIONS and guidelines that is the problem. So it is not the fact that your government taxes you and takes your money and pours it into different aspects of your country that make it be "socialist" and thus not free-market. That just makes the society more statist and less libertarian on the scale. Which doesn't really matter, it's just a preference. Private funded or state funded.


    It is THE FUCKING LACK OF REGULATIONS that make your country a bastion of Free-Markets and thus an anus of the world. It is that which makes your education shitty, your media so godamn corrupt and your healthcare horrible. It is not the fact that you put in a little or alot of money in it. It is the lack of regulations.
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    Tharkon, unions are generally good, though the way they work here in Sweden is not, unions sohuld NOT be political, which LO is.

    Also, if-metall up in Umeå are a bunch of ass wipes who need to be replaced asap, I'd even try to do it myself if I wasn't getting laid off next year.
    The fuckers actually refused to let us (the members/worker) to have the two days before christmas eve off cause of their retarded stubborness and hatred for the company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tharkon Fargor View Post
    Hey, it works everywhere ellse. Stop being stubborn, dickwit.
    I suggest that you 1. Start following the rest of the world a bit more. At least a tiny bit more. Or stop thinking that you know everything when you don't.
    Because the the RotW is doing so well? What a genius idea. I do know everything. If my country did what I told it, people would think the US was heaven on earth. Duh!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tharkon Fargor View Post
    2. That you and that fucked up country called the UK stops pressuring the rest of us to view our citizens as potential terrorists and limit their/our freedom.
    Then we can start talking. Aight
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    back that way.

    So when you fail at discussing a topic you change it? You didn't even attempt to link the two... /sigh. More than your logic is failing you. Must be that socialism funded education you received.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tharkon Fargor View Post
    It has to do with the fact that George Bush was not a "centrist" politician but an extreme right winger that was just a hell of alot more authoritharian and dumb than most free-market proponents. What ever someone has told you, yes you can have an authoritharian government, a fucking police state and still be for free-markets. As long as you leave the markets alone or make it even easier for the rich by lowering mainly their taxes to have like "equal" taxes on all citizens which is definetly a free-market ideal instead of progressive taxation.

    Bush ass fucked the American people and so has clinton, Bush Senior and Reagan.
    They all made it easier for big companies to unite forces and create undefeatable monopolies over markets. Which still in free-market theory can be outcompeted but in practise can't because of the LACK of regulations prohibiting already large companies to merge.

    They made it easier for banks to loan out cash and even more fuck your country up.
    All of them except Clinton lowered taxes for the rich, step for step removing the progressive tax and making it even harder for middle and workingclass families.

    None of them did any real shit to nationalize or subsidize healthcare. Hillary tried but then was both scared and bribed into not doing it with the largest healthcare company donation in history...

    Education has been screwed up completely. Not because of any lack of funding. You can fucking pour your entire GDI in it. But because of lack of regulations. You've even gone so far to ALLOW corporations and organisations to "sponsor" schools by having advertisements in schoobooks and other places. HAIL the free market! Objective and unbiased teaching is a thing of the past...Yes schools in america have fucking advertisement in them or around them put there by big corporations. If that happend in Sweden you'd have people burning down the companies offices, but you have grown so fucking numb that you don't even feel it.

    The problem with your education system is not the funding. You fucking overfund everything, at least according to yourselves. It is the godamn lack of godamn REGULATIONS and guidelines that is the problem. So it is not the fact that your government taxes you and takes your money and pours it into different aspects of your country that make it be "socialist" and thus not free-market. That just makes the society more statist and less libertarian on the scale. Which doesn't really matter, it's just a preference. Private funded or state funded.


    It is THE FUCKING LACK OF REGULATIONS that make your country a bastion of Free-Markets and thus an anus of the world. It is that which makes your education shitty, your media so godamn corrupt and your healthcare horrible. It is not the fact that you put in a little or alot of money in it. It is the lack of regulations.



    Goddamn tl;dr posts...


    You would have to explain to me how you define police state because if peoples lives are controlled by the state then they have no freedom of association and probably have limits to their ability to trade.

    Also, no, you are absolutely wrong. A free-market proponent is not opposed to progressive taxation, they are opposed to all taxation.

    If there are "undefeatable monopolies" then that alone shows we aren't under a free-market system since in order to obtain monopoly status there needs to be barriers of entry. The only institution that can give them that status is the government.

    Education hasn't screwed up because of lack of funding? Maybe, at the federal level that's correct, but the states currently have to deal with unfunded mandates, like No Child Left Behind.

    Also, I have absolutely no idea what your spewing about since education is compulsory, and using your language, "free".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tharkon Fargor View Post
    It has to do with..........blah blah wall of mindless text blah blah blah........nded or state funded.

    It is THE FUCKING LACK OF REGULATIONS that make your country a bastion of Free-Markets and thus an anus of the world. It is that which makes your education shitty, your media so godamn corrupt and your healthcare horrible. It is not the fact that you put in a little or alot of money in it. It is the lack of regulations.
    Our Market is full of regulation as is our education system. It's why both fail.

    You are severely lacking in knowledge on this subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klokateer #7829 View Post
    Most of you guys take this kind of thing too personally or are too stupid to see it for what it is.

    Colbert is playing a role. A role written and designed by a team of people. His comedy is just that, comedy. His character is fake and so is his attitude.

    This is the entertainment business, he's not serious and the show's messages aren't supposed to be taken seriously.

    Tell that to Tharkon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StainlessSteelRat View Post
    Our Market is full of regulation as is our education system. It's why both fail.

    You are severely lacking in knowledge on this subject.
    lol.

    And that is the rest of the worlds systems which are even more regulated, in your eyes "ebül socialist" work better?

    common...think with your brain and not with your ass for once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aragoni View Post
    I've looked 47 seconds and the fact that the news blame it on unions... lol! We in Sweden have the strongest unions around the world and we manage to get along fine.
    Never understood why people hate unions. It's just a natural way for the workers to get a better life and get more influence on the place they are working at. It's not against free-market principles either (Right?).
    Sweden doesn't even have 10 million people in it.

    let me translate that to swedish for you.

    "you don't count enough"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killuminati View Post
    Goddamn tl;dr posts...


    You would have to explain to me how you define police state because if peoples lives are controlled by the state then they have no freedom of association and probably have limits to their ability to trade.

    Also, no, you are absolutely wrong. A free-market proponent is not opposed to progressive taxation, they are opposed to all taxation.

    If there are "undefeatable monopolies" then that alone shows we aren't under a free-market system since in order to obtain monopoly status there needs to be barriers of entry. The only institution that can give them that status is the government.

    Education hasn't screwed up because of lack of funding? Maybe, at the federal level that's correct, but the states currently have to deal with unfunded mandates, like No Child Left Behind.

    Also, I have absolutely no idea what your spewing about since education is compulsory, and using your language, "free".

    A free market is simply a market that is unregulated.
    Why is it that you are afraid to answer the rest? About the lack of bank regulations or regulations forbidding corporations or organisations using "sponsorship" as an entrance to spread THEIR propaganda in your schools? Would you like a fucking breeding center of PETA-bots? Well then, start regulating shit and forbidding corporations and organisations to advertise in school.

    A free market may or may not be opposed to taxation. "Free markets" is a system of economics in which goods and people may travel freely and in which no regulations exist. Then there are levels on how much you can regulate the market, making it more or less regulated and thus more or less a free-market. After you step over a certain border you start moving to Regulated markets contra Planned markets/Planned economy. And the economy becomes again more or less regulated or more and less a planned economy. Why did I bring this up? Well tho shove it up your face, ofcourse.

    Even a stalinist, planned economy can work without any taxes. You can in theory have NO taxes and a shitload of regulations more or less forcing private corporations to build what you want. You can also have 100% taxes, distribute that money to every individual and then let that individual do what he/she wants with that money. Yes I'm taking it to the extremes, only because you don't get it otherwise, sorry.


    And to whom ever said education was underfunded.
    If education is underfunded, which I keep hearing from some people that its overfunded (I guess its a matter of perspective) then it will obviously fail. But even if the education is the only thing that the government spends money on and spends ALOT money on, it can still fail because of lack of regulations.

    You obviously don't have enough regulations if you let corporations sponsor schools and put their corporate propaganda in there.
    You don't have regulations if you let schools get money depending on how good the children do on tests. That is not regulations, that is "pouring money" and hoping it will solve things.
    To regulate you have to TELL school how to educate children SO that they recive good grades. The "no child left behind" is not a true, regulatory legislation, it's bogus - bullshit...one more thing that your taxdollars go to and become complete waste.
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