I cannot wait for something like this to pass in the U.S. I'm not one who normally is for genocide, but as soon as I see them get any special treatment, I go hunting again.
Sounds like the new British national anthem will be this in a few years.
"God Save The Sheik"
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That's some fucked up shit, right there.
This is a storm in a teacup. It is a voluntary arbitration body, designed to deal with civil matters. The fact that it has strayed onto domestic violence, which is very much not a civil matter is troubling. But then that wouldn't make it unique amongst British institutions, that it has a worrying relationship with domestic or sexual violence.
The idea that this represents some 'foothold in the door' for an international Kaliphate is so laughable it's frightening how easily people leap onto it. This does not threaten our freedom. As a body it sits beneath and within the law, not outside or alongside it. It is a recognition of the cultural appropriateness of communities arbitrating for themselves in matters most consider deeply private. It is no more an attack on our freedom than is the specialist banking services offered to moslem borrowers where no interest is charged.
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Give it time, they will want more power, then one day they will piss and moan their way up to capitol cases. "I hereby sentence you to death by stoning for adultery!" jk jk.
Sounds to me like a Judge Judy kind of thing. Dunno, as long as the Brits are trying it out first.
If you look at how sharia courts work in other places around the world, there's huge variance. I know whenever I heard the term 'sharia court' I had in my head an image of some seriously fucked up bearded guys passing sentence of brutal death on some illiterate skinny country lass for getting raped. I saw a programme recently that threw an interesting light on them though.
Yeah, there are some places where it corresponds to that picture, but in places like Pakistan, for example, particularly in the urban areas, they're a very mundane affair. There was some fly on the wall footage of goings on, including a very vocal lady demanding (and getting) better child maintenance from her divorced husband, and another woman being granted a divorce because her husband had failed to tell her he was infertile prior to the marriage. There were also a bunch of really mundane little things. The waiting room scene and the bits in the office reminded me a great deal of the magistrates courts over here.
Salo... Stop making it sound normal. I was content with my twisted view before hand :P.
I agree, I don't think it will be bad for them in the long run. I have been out of touch with the cultural issues between the standard british population and the rising influx of war escapees, but it seems that this might do some good in qenching some of the, "You don't care about us," attitude.
My curiousity is what happens when/if they are allowed to oversee major criminal cases. What if there is bias, at which point what happens to the appeals? Once things are set in Sharia, can it be brought back over to the normal circuit courts?
Only reason why I pose this, is I would hate to see families threatened over in Iraq or Afgan or Iran to get relatives in Britian to succumb to Sharia court.
Why should a western country allow trial under Sharia courts, and yet Arab countries are under no obligation to try a westerner under their own countries law?
If anyone immigrates to a new country, then they DAMN WELL should respect and accept that country's legal system.
Even Turkeys military is ready to kill anyone in their own government who push's THAT agenda too damned hard. And they are in that part of the world WITH that culture, does that not say something to you?
Fucked up or not, I've seen life and do not have some rainbow colored glass's to look thru anymore. I am not letting my children live in a new middle-east. I don't give a fuck about 'fair' either, so like it or not, I would suggest you not let it happen, because men like me do exist.
Your not gonna let your children grow up while your in jail for the rest of your life either so spare us the tough guy act.
It won't pass here, because people like me will be writing senators and generally harassing government officials via mail and email. Along with other normal and capable people (hopefully). That and the US Gov is mostly a Christian based Gov so that wouldn't work here. Not in the land of the "Free."
Using 2 systems of Government does nothing but divide people further. However it will be interesting to see how it turns out over there.
EDIT: Personally I think it is all bullshit anyway. Because of Separation of Church and State it would be impossible to setup a strict religious court system.
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Imagine if the system in question was not shariah law, but some competing system derived from the native population.
Would you still be opposed, or would be applauding its inception as analogous to the idea of competing currencies?