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    i think John McCain could possibly have won in 2008 despite his age if he hadnt chosen an insane moron for a VP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrik View Post
    i think John McCain could possibly have won in 2008 despite his age if he hadnt chosen an insane moron for a VP
    Reps claim that she actually managed to get him more votes from "the base".

    Insane morons is what conservative party built upon.
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    The Republican party would have a shot if they had not accepted and ideologically merged with the Tea Party. Everyone saw it as a huge political liability, and they thought that a crazy populist, instead of a moderate-right party would fare better in the elections. It didn't work when Tea Party fucktards won congress tickets, it didn't work this time around.

    Hilary will run 2016, and 2020. She'll win both. She's married to the best liked politician alive in this country...Bill Fucking Clinton; he appeared for two weeks during the Obama campaign and it helped him win it, imagine what he will do with a full year of campaigning for his wife.


    Plus, she's a very educated woman, and possibly the best prepared candidate in the future; she knows every single world leader by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrik View Post
    i think John McCain could possibly have won in 2008 despite his age if he hadnt chosen an insane moron for a VP
    This. Sarah Palin stirred up the republican party base in a bad way. She got in more votes from the idiots and the MILF lovers, not the educated republicans. There's a reason why big banks endorsed and donated money to Obama, mind you, these people are hardcore moderate republicans.
    We should celebrate March 2013 as the month Off-Topic went Full Retard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverhandorder View Post
    Rand unlike his father is not branded yet and he will give up a lot of libertarian positions in order to get elected. He has a chance to bring in Ron Paul wing, most of republicans and a large part of independents. That is more than enough to walk away with it. Plus with the currency collapse that will happen in the next four years we will either have a communist, a fascist or Rand Paul come to power.
    Currency collapse? Really? where do you get this shit? These predictions are really fan-boi-ish.
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    Why not name some candidates?

    Rand Paul,
    Rubio,
    Jindal,
    Ryan,
    ...


    Basically i expect the media to massacre guys like Paul and Ryan and probably Jindal too.


    But really, Hilary stands no chance and Biden is a joke. Both will also be old which is a big drawback to the youth who voted big time for Obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pneumaticvermin View Post
    Romney wants to keep tax rates for the wealthy the same but Obama wants them to pay a little bit more!! ECONOMAPOCALYPSE!!!! ELECTIONS WONT EVEN MATTER BRO'S, THE COUNTRY GUN IMPLODEZ ON ITZELF!
    This is entirely false. Obama wanted to maintain the current tax levels, whereas Romney wanted to regress the upper brackets to a previous state.

    Having said that, fuck it. I'd be happy to see the tax rate on the $250,000+ bracket go up by another half a percent. While we're at it, I'd also like to see the sales tax in each state go up by one percent - and have that money go solely to education - the second biggest budget item in the country, behind military spending.
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    Hilary is not tHAT old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marilio View Post
    Hilary is not tHAT old.
    69 in 2016. The magic number
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunther TheBlack View Post
    Why not name some candidates?
    Rand Paul,
    Rubio,
    Jindal,
    Ryan,
    Rand Paul won't win for the same reasons his father could never get anywhere nationally in the Republican party.

    Jindal is a fucking joke and killed any chance of national office with his SOTU rebuttal speech.

    Ryan already has the stink of loser on him, isn't popular nationally despite Fox trying to prop him up as some sort of economic Wunderkind, and is currently one of the targets for blame in losing this election in conservative circles.

    Rubio is basically the best choice, but without a national shift on conservative views on immigration, his effect on drawing in the latino population will not be anywhere near what pundits believe. Given the whiteness of the GOP electorate, I would imagine that he would need either a terrible field of competitors or the unanimous blessing of the big money donors to win the primaries.


    I don't think any of them would win against Hillary or Biden. So long as either of them are in good health in 4 years, they both are fairly popular, have ties to the most popular presidents in recent memory. Given most economists are forcasted a healthy recovery no matter who won in 2012, Obama will probably end his term well liked, and he and Bill will be huge boons for whoever wins the Democratic primary.

    The only way that I can see the Republican party winning in 4 years is if they can somehow drag the tea partiers kicking and screaming toward not being horribly bigoted towards minorities. Such an endeavor has the risks of failing, splitting the party, or even pushing some of the single issue voters (immigration/gay marriage) to vote for democratic candidates out of spite. Who knows? Four years is a long time.
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    I expect there to be better economy in 4 years. But it'll hardly be worth mentioning i think and the debt will be even higher. A lot higher.

    Europe will be pretty stagnant the next 4 years so economic wise we're not helping. The upcoming markets are stabilizing a bit altho with lesser growth.

    Basically the democrats will try to keep the standard of living equal by borrowing or printing tons of money. Like Europe did the last 30 years.

    Anyway, a lot of dependent people don't tend to vote for economic conservative so maybe that'll actually boost the democratic base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunther TheBlack View Post

    Anyway, a lot of dependent people don't tend to vote for economic conservative so maybe that'll actually boost the democratic base.
    This kind of attitude is why you guys lost the election. The actual amount of "dependent" voters is pretty minimal; though the amount of people who benefit from good government policies is much higher. The second group gets rather irritated when you equate them to the first group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avacado View Post
    This kind of attitude is why you guys lost the election. The actual amount of "dependent" voters is pretty minimal; though the amount of people who benefit from good government policies is much higher. The second group gets rather irritated when you equate them to the first group.

    Because that group can't admit that they also live beyond their means. They are making themselves more dependent. They just don't notice it yet.


    When i tell an average Belgian that most Belgians live beyond their means they get angry. Then i tell them they get child support, cheap schooling, cheap health insurance, pensions, unemployment benefits, etc.

    They always end up saying "Well i pay lots of taxes for it, so it's normal to get it". Well apparently we can't pay for all these benefits since we have lots of debt and already among the highest taxes in the world.

    The US is going that exact route only a lot faster atm it seems.


    And that's why republicans piss of a lot of people. Because the truth hurts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunther TheBlack View Post
    They always end up saying "Well i pay lots of taxes for it, so it's normal to get it". Well apparently we can't pay for all these benefits since we have lots of debt and already among the highest taxes in the world.
    You are dumb as all hell.

    Let Papa Avacado educate you son:


    DEBT

    • Goverment debt is not like Household debt. The rate of interest of Treasury bonds is less than inflation. We pay back less than we borrow.
    • Most of the debt spike is from the cost of Afghanistan, Iraq, and the Bush Tax cuts. This isn't Obama's fault.
    • Social security would still be self-sustaining if various past presidents such as Bush jr hadn't raided the SS fund through the years.


    Taxes

    • The last time the income tax was this low was just before the great depression. Back in the 50s, the top marginal tax bracket was 90%+; now it is 33%
    • Despite the hooting and gibbering of the Right wing media, Obama hasn't raised taxes on you except for a few edge cases, like tanning salons.
    • The decrease in GDP from high taxes is much, much lower than the decrease in GDP from cutting government programs.
    • The super wealthy generally don't even pay what you and I pay as a percentage of income because they can hide it or use tax loopholes. They're not hurting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunther TheBlack View Post
    Because that group can't admit that they also live beyond their means. They are making themselves more dependent. They just don't notice it yet.


    When i tell an average Belgian that most Belgians live beyond their means they get angry. Then i tell them they get child support, cheap schooling, cheap health insurance, pensions, unemployment benefits, etc.

    They always end up saying "Well i pay lots of taxes for it, so it's normal to get it". Well apparently we can't pay for all these benefits since we have lots of debt and already among the highest taxes in the world.

    The US is going that exact route only a lot faster atm it seems.


    And that's why republicans piss of a lot of people. Because the truth hurts.
    People on here, mostly the democrats, believe the Government is around to provide social services(healthcare, education, welfare) for the people. They also believe that certain groups of people should pay more than the rest for these social services(even though they use them far less). This is what happens when your country turns into a socialist nation rather than a capitalist nation. Unfortunately it's what the 'people' want, even though they apparently don't have a clue what they're getting our country into when they say they want these things.
    You can't change their minds either because the first thing they do is accuse you of racism. It's typical American politics unfortunately. We have the idiots on the right who think the Government should provide nothing at all and the idiots on the left who think the Government should provide everything.

    Our debt will easily double in the next two years, and then in 4 years we'll have the same problem we've been having but it will be worse. Each year it gets worse and instead of cutting our spending(like all the politicians say we will) we continue to provide more and more social services thus putting us farther and farther in debt as a country.
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