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    Quote Originally Posted by 88Chaz88 View Post
    Plenty of countries work well under socialism. Whether or not you'd prefer to live in a socialist country is another matter altogether but to claim it just doesn't work period is pure ignorance.
    It may work well for some. It is 100% given fact that it is not sustainable.
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    No no. Growth comes from taxation and tolls. Take Denmark. We raise the sugar toll so a glass of marmalade doubles. Resulting in the marmelade factory firing 200 workers.

    Take the border shopping that climbs over 100% a year because danish wares are ridiculously taxed.

    Take the massive amount of moonlighting going on in any sector able to make a buck out side the tax system.

    To conclude. Growth comes from taxing the living shit out of common folks and businesses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverhandorder View Post
    It may work well for some. It is 100% given fact that it is not sustainable.
    It's certainly not given. It's 100% sustainable. It is the same as any other long term budgeted expenditure.

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    Deductive reasoning has noing to do with logic. In fact deductive reasoning is illogical. Go define logic and come back to the discussion an educated man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverhandorder View Post
    It may work well for some. It is 100% given fact that it is not sustainable.
    Actually I'd say it's perfectly sustainable, if your country is on the right kind of... "social level" I'd say. Once you have a developed country with people ready and willing to work, resources to keep it going, and a stable population then that country can tick along quite well with a socialist structure. In fact I'd say it could offer the optimum lifestyle for everybody rich or poor.

    When it comes to the US or even the UK though, socialism is a pipe dream. We have too much population hogging our resources, a good amount of people who'd rather sit on their arse looking for handouts, and too many corrupt officials who'd exploit the system for their own gains. The only way it would ever work is on a state level, and only if that state limits the amount of people that come in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxdie View Post
    Everyone's success is always due to their own hard work and determination. The failures of others however, is always due to incompetence and/or laziness.
    So if your born in a 3rd world country and arent successful by the time you get older its always due to incompetence and/or laziness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallucinogenicz View Post
    So if your born in a 3rd world country and arent successful by the time you get older its always due to incompetence and/or laziness?
    It is not what you are given in life but what you do with the things that you already have. Many of them have the means of surviving but not the basic will nor interest to take advantage of those things.

    Give me a small strip of land and a water source and I will survive. Not comfortably but I will survive.

    Most of these people who starve in Africa do so in the regions in which food can be grown. It is a direct result of a fucked up tribal culture that seems to be dominant in the African society. Replace blacks with old-school hard working Germans in Africa and see if they would starve. I bet in a couple of decades they would be running successful post-industrial countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karlek View Post
    Most of these people who starve in Africa do so in the regions in which food can be grown. It is a direct result of a fucked up tribal culture that seems to be dominant in the African society. Replace blacks with old-school hard working Germans in Africa and see if they would starve. I bet in a couple of decades they would be running successful post-industrial countries.
    I'm going to bet on them all dying from malaria. Seriously though it went whoooooooosh right over Halluciongenicz head. Some people drastically overestimate their own ability to "survive" in a completely hostile environment. You ever see Hunger Games? The part when the instructor says "bla bla most of you will die to starvation, disease, or cold." Somehow in the movie, and the book for that matter, none of them do? Instead its all sword fights, arrows, bees, anything BUT the elements kills them. Yeah not the way the real world works. Starvation is literally number 9 on a long list of problems in some parts of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 88Chaz88 View Post
    Plenty of countries work well under socialism. Whether or not you'd prefer to live in a socialist country is another matter altogether but to claim it just doesn't work period is pure ignorance.
    It can work in very small countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxdie View Post
    I'm going to bet on them all dying from malaria. Seriously though it went whoooooooosh right over Halluciongenicz head. Some people drastically overestimate their own ability to "survive" in a completely hostile environment. You ever see Hunger Games? The part when the instructor says "bla bla most of you will die to starvation, disease, or cold." Somehow in the movie, and the book for that matter, none of them do? Instead its all sword fights, arrows, bees, anything BUT the elements kills them. Yeah not the way the real world works. Starvation is literally number 9 on a long list of problems in some parts of the world.
    AIDS is the leading cause of death in the developing countries. I guess it requires too much intelligence for most to understand how exactly does it spread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karlek View Post
    AIDS is the leading cause of death in the developing countries. I guess it requires too much intelligence for most to understand how exactly does it spread.

    http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/cause.php
    And yet we all know the root causes of heart disease in the first world, somehow the fact that we understand the problem does little to combat it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxdie View Post
    And yet we all know the root causes of heart disease in the first world, somehow the fact that we understand the problem does little to combat it.
    Can't stop someone from killing themselves while doing what they want to do.

    They should not bitch about it and expect help afterwards though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karlek View Post
    Can't stop someone from killing themselves while doing what they want to do.

    They should not bitch about it and expect help afterwards though.
    Thats exactly what both sides of this argument are doing though. You act as if the people in the 3rd world don't know about AIDS, how it spreads, and how it kills. One in three has it, should they just stop having families? Whereas over here, heart disease kills more, despite supposedly better "education" on the subject, despite better healthcare (which we spend a considerable dollar amount on).

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    Quote Originally Posted by PirateGlen View Post
    It's certainly not given. It's 100% sustainable. It is the same as any other long term budgeted expenditure.
    Its sustainable if everyone doesn't mind being poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GirlyMan View Post
    I know how to increase economic growth. Take a billion here and a billion there from billionaires and distribute it to the poorest people of the nation/world. Then, set up a law where having more than 1 million dollars in your bank/investments will cause all income beyond that to be distributed to charity.

    Also second link is borked.
    You are dumb. Sorry it's true. Who the fuck would work hard if they had to give all their money to stupid, ignorant, lazy fucks like you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krag View Post
    Its sustainable if everyone doesn't mind being poor.
    Who knew that everyone is poor in the most developed countries in the world.

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    Deductive reasoning has noing to do with logic. In fact deductive reasoning is illogical. Go define logic and come back to the discussion an educated man.

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