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    Quote Originally Posted by Nunz View Post
    I'm not religious. There is certainly a healthy amount of ego. Ego, however, is a tricky mechanism. If we don't have the tools or understand the function of the ego, it shows it's self in areas outside of the view of society. Whether society is trying to make you feel insignificant or not.

    Think of it this way, when you tell someone who is better than you at something that they are not and you are both equal, what is the reason for that?

    Your ego. Limiting your ego allows for people to be better than you.
    If the person with better skills have a great ego, he would give a flying fuck what some douche says.

    What you're preaching here is the sheep mentality. i'm not saying we should all become egocentrics. I'm saying we should drop the fucking establishment propaganda and rise above their flock induced brainwashing, so we can become what we were born to be. Free and independent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bissen View Post
    If the person with better skills have a great ego, he would give a flying fuck what some douche says.

    What you're preaching here is the sheep mentality. i'm not saying we should all become egocentrics. I'm saying we should drop the fucking establishment propaganda and rise above their flock induced brainwashing, so we can become what we were born to be. Free and independent.
    No I'm promoting an understanding of the ego so that people can work it out for themselves and not walk around not realizing they have one or it even exists. Which limits the scope of their perspective. There's healthy ego and it has a lot of great qualities within it. But there's also unhealthy ego, which is what our society suffers from.

    I don't believe we're born equal. But I do believe everyone deserves to be treated equally. In a society where everyone is told they're all the same, ego grows. It doesn't diminish. We're most likely put into positions where we don't have to battle ego much more often than our ego suffers some sort of damage. Like when we're told we're just as good as others when it's obvious we're better in this area.

    The lack of ego also allows for us to see how our actions effect the whole. Good or bad. In our society, where everyone is told we're equal, why don't people consider others more often? Because they have an unhealthy amount of ego that doesn't allow it. Ego isn't part of the dialogue in our society. It needs to be. I'm not talking about beating others down to your level. I'm talking about teaching about ego and teaching the tools in how to recognize when we're acting to feed our ego. There's a very strong distinction between those two arguments.


    You also have to consider grade school level children, when you think of ego. That sets the standard for many people and many kids who excel are told they don't by their peers because of ego. The children who excel then begin to believe they don't, also. So they never reach that place of a healthy ego to tell others they don't care.
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    Here Nunz.

    Coxsackie-Athens High School Valedictory Speech 2010

    Here I Stand
    Erica Goldson


    There is a story of a young, but earnest Zen student who approached his teacher, and asked the Master, "If I work very hard and diligently, how long will it take for me to find Zen? The Master thought about this, then replied, "Ten years." 
The student then said, "But what if I work very, very hard and really apply myself to learn fast - How long then?" Replied the Master, "Well, twenty years." "But, if I really, really work at it, how long then?" asked the student. "Thirty years," replied the Master. "But, I do not understand," said the disappointed student. "At each time that I say I will work harder, you say it will take me longer. Why do you say that?" 
Replied the Master, "When you have one eye on the goal, you only have one eye on the path."
    This is the dilemma I've faced within the American education system. We are so focused on a goal, whether it be passing a test, or graduating as first in the class. However, in this way, we do not really learn. We do whatever it takes to achieve our original objective.
    Some of you may be thinking, “Well, if you pass a test, or become valedictorian, didn't you learn something? Well, yes, you learned something, but not all that you could have. Perhaps, you only learned how to memorize names, places, and dates to later on forget in order to clear your mind for the next test. School is not all that it can be. Right now, it is a place for most people to determine that their goal is to get out as soon as possible.
    I am now accomplishing that goal. I am graduating. I should look at this as a positive experience, especially being at the top of my class. However, in retrospect, I cannot say that I am any more intelligent than my peers. I can attest that I am only the best at doing what I am told and working the system. Yet, here I stand, and I am supposed to be proud that I have completed this period of indoctrination. I will leave in the fall to go on to the next phase expected of me, in order to receive a paper document that certifies that I am capable of work. But I contest that I am a human being, a thinker, an adventurer – not a worker. A worker is someone who is trapped within repetition – a slave of the system set up before him. But now, I have successfully shown that I was the best slave. I did what I was told to the extreme. While others sat in class and doodled to later become great artists, I sat in class to take notes and become a great test-taker. While others would come to class without their homework done because they were reading about an interest of theirs, I never missed an assignment. While others were creating music and writing lyrics, I decided to do extra credit, even though I never needed it. So, I wonder, why did I even want this position? Sure, I earned it, but what will come of it? When I leave educational institutionalism, will I be successful or forever lost? I have no clue about what I want to do with my life; I have no interests because I saw every subject of study as work, and I excelled at every subject just for the purpose of excelling, not learning. And quite frankly, now I'm scared.
    John Taylor Gatto, a retired school teacher and activist critical of compulsory schooling, asserts, “We could encourage the best qualities of youthfulness – curiosity, adventure, resilience, the capacity for surprising insight simply by being more flexible about time, texts, and tests, by introducing kids into truly competent adults, and by giving each student what autonomy he or she needs in order to take a risk every now and then. But we don't do that.” Between these cinderblock walls, we are all expected to be the same. We are trained to ace every standardized test, and those who deviate and see light through a different lens are worthless to the scheme of public education, and therefore viewed with contempt.
    H. L. Mencken wrote in The American Mercury for April 1924 that the aim of public education is not

    to fill the young of the species with knowledge and awaken their intelligence. ... Nothing could be further from the truth. The aim ... is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality. That is its aim in the United States. (Gatto)

    To illustrate this idea, doesn't it perturb you to learn about the idea of “critical thinking.” Is there really such a thing as “uncritically thinking?” To think is to process information in order to form an opinion. But if we are not critical when processing this information, are we really thinking? Or are we mindlessly accepting other opinions as truth?
    This was happening to me, and if it wasn't for the rare occurrence of an avant-garde tenth grade English teacher, Donna Bryan, who allowed me to open my mind and ask questions before accepting textbook doctrine, I would have been doomed. I am now enlightened, but my mind still feels disabled. I must retrain myself and constantly remember how insane this ostensibly sane place really is.
    And now here I am in a world guided by fear, a world suppressing the uniqueness that lies inside each of us, a world where we can either acquiesce to the inhuman nonsense of corporatism and materialism or insist on change. We are not enlivened by an educational system that clandestinely sets us up for jobs that could be automated, for work that need not be done, for enslavement without fervency for meaningful achievement. We have no choices in life when money is our motivational force. Our motivational force ought to be passion, but this is lost from the moment we step into a system that trains us, rather than inspires us.
    We are more than robotic bookshelves, conditioned to blurt out facts we were taught in school. We are all very special, every human on this planet is so special, so aren't we all deserving of something better, of using our minds for innovation, rather than memorization, for creativity, rather than futile activity, for rumination rather than stagnation? We are not here to get a degree, to then get a job, so we can consume industry-approved placation after placation. There is more, and more still.
    The saddest part is that the majority of students don't have the opportunity to reflect as I did. The majority of students are put through the same brainwashing techniques in order to create a complacent labor force working in the interests of large corporations and secretive government, and worst of all, they are completely unaware of it. I will never be able to turn back these 18 years. I can't run away to another country with an education system meant to enlighten rather than condition. This part of my life is over, and I want to make sure that no other child will have his or her potential suppressed by powers meant to exploit and control. We are human beings. We are thinkers, dreamers, explorers, artists, writers, engineers. We are anything we want to be - but only if we have an educational system that supports us rather than holds us down. A tree can grow, but only if its roots are given a healthy foundation.
    For those of you out there that must continue to sit in desks and yield to the authoritarian ideologies of instructors, do not be disheartened. You still have the opportunity to stand up, ask questions, be critical, and create your own perspective. Demand a setting that will provide you with intellectual capabilities that allow you to expand your mind instead of directing it. Demand that you be interested in class. Demand that the excuse, “You have to learn this for the test” is not good enough for you. Education is an excellent tool, if used properly, but focus more on learning rather than getting good grades.
    For those of you that work within the system that I am condemning, I do not mean to insult; I intend to motivate. You have the power to change the incompetencies of this system. I know that you did not become a teacher or administrator to see your students bored. You cannot accept the authority of the governing bodies that tell you what to teach, how to teach it, and that you will be punished if you do not comply. Our potential is at stake.
    For those of you that are now leaving this establishment, I say, do not forget what went on in these classrooms. Do not abandon those that come after you. We are the new future and we are not going to let tradition stand. We will break down the walls of corruption to let a garden of knowledge grow throughout America. Once educated properly, we will have the power to do anything, and best of all, we will only use that power for good, for we will be cultivated and wise. We will not accept anything at face value. We will ask questions, and we will demand truth.
    So, here I stand. I am not standing here as valedictorian by myself. I was molded by my environment, by all of my peers who are sitting here watching me. I couldn't have accomplished this without all of you. It was all of you who truly made me the person I am today. It was all of you who were my competition, yet my backbone. In that way, we are all valedictorians.
    I am now supposed to say farewell to this institution, those who maintain it, and those who stand with me and behind me, but I hope this farewell is more of a “see you later” when we are all working together to rear a pedagogic movement. But first, let's go get those pieces of paper that tell us that we're smart enough to do so!

    "Graduating with honors will provide many advantages when applying for a doctoral degree, as it's an obvious demonstration of your capabilities as a student and a professional."
    Her speech when she spoke it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M4tdMsg3ts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bissen View Post
    Here Nunz.



    Her speech when she spoke it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M4tdMsg3ts
    Yeah, that's exactly how I see the system.


    I have a pretty deep understanding of ego. We might just not be communicating from the same place.


    Lack of ego, in the group, allows for the acceptance of others to go their own path. That includes a teacher who stands amongst children and can either play a role of authority, to fill their ego, or a teacher who is helping to guide children into adulthood.


    You can't have a free society with people who feel the need to fill their ego and put themselves above others for shallow reasons. And won't appreciate the skills of others because your ego can't handle the feeling that you are not superior in every aspect of life. Even if you are, lack of ego keeps you striving to be better.

    I honestly believe you have to feel as if you can learn something from everyone, for a free society to work. There are no insignificant people./
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nunz View Post
    Yeah, that's exactly how I see the system.


    I have a pretty deep understanding of ego. We might just not be communicating from the same place.


    Lack of ego, in the group, allows for the acceptance of others to go their own path. That includes a teacher who stands amongst children and can either play a role of authority, to fill their ego, or a teacher who is helping to guide children into adulthood.


    You can't have a free society with people who feel the need to fill their ego and put themselves above others for shallow reasons. And won't appreciate the skills of others because your ego can't handle the feeling that you are not superior in every aspect of life. Even if you are, lack of ego keeps you striving to be better.

    I honestly believe you have to feel as if you can learn something from everyone, for a free society to work. There are no insignificant people./
    Maybe we're just saying the same thing from different points of view. I can see a lot of what you're saying is something I can agree with. And maybe I looked at it the wrong way.

    Your point about every child being raised as gods I can totally agree with. It will indeed make them fucking douche's when they grow up.

    What is needed is a healthy amount. Goldie locks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bissen View Post
    Maybe we're just saying the same thing from different points of view. I can see a lot of what you're saying is something I can agree with. And maybe I looked at it the wrong way.

    Your point about every child being raised as gods I can totally agree with. It will indeed make them fucking douche's when they grow up.

    What is needed is a healthy amount. Goldie locks.
    I definitely thought we were talking from a similar place for most of that. When you posted that link, I wasn't sure anymore because that's how I see the lack of egos function. I believe ego pushes us to fit in more than stand out, in this society. Where a society that lacked ego we would all feel free to be ourselves and accept others as themselves. We would push others to be better regardless if it made us seem like we lacked in the area that others succeeded in.

    There is no argument about having healthy ego. Extremely important function for success. I think we limit others for sake of our own egos, in this society. Which shows in the pecking order in school age children. Any child that stands out of cultural norms is emotionally, mentally and physically abused. Which I believe stems from ego. The other children wish they had the strength to be different.

    Simplified, I know, but regardless, we NEED to have this discussion, I believe.
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    some deep shit in this thread, man.

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    Let's all meditate so we can learn stuff we don't know from ourselves.
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    It comes down to what are you most willing to give up?
    For plenty it's forgeign peoples lives before their own gains.
    When ressources are rare and many want it war is a natural follow up.
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    There is no system so perfect as to combat the imperfection and darkness inside each human being.

    Until we move past operating socially on extremely basic primitive biological programming ment for hunter gatherer tribes, the answers is no. Unless you're talking about access to insanely advanced technology that allows for free energy, food, fuel and automation of mundane tasks. Even then, somehow it would be abused. That's the only thing we truly excel at, taking advantage of each other.


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