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    Israel's Defence Minister Ehud Barak has given the country's military one month to prepare to conscript ultra-Orthodox Jewish seminary students, after a law exempting them expired.

    In February, the Supreme Court ruled that the Tal Law, which allowed them to defer military service, was unconstitutional and that a revised law should be drafted by the end of July.

    However, the main political parties in parliament failed to reach agreement.

    Secular Israelis say the law is unfair.
    Forcing anybody to join the army seems kinda strange to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeDuck View Post
    Forcing anybody to join the army seems kinda strange to me.
    That way you don't end up with an army filled with losers and poor people who video tape themselves killing civilians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeDuck View Post
    Forcing anybody to join the army seems kinda strange to me.
    National service. You do a few years of military service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmyhat View Post
    That way you don't end up with an army filled with losers and poor people who video tape themselves killing civilians.
    Or just have a good training program and decent leadership to stop that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kusghuul View Post
    National service. You do a few years of military service.
    I know was national service is. Just saying I think it's retarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeDuck View Post
    I know was national service is. Just saying I think it's retarded.
    Not that retarded if you're surrounded by hostile nations. Norway and Finland have it because of Russia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kusghuul View Post
    Not that retarded if you're surrounded by hostile nations. Norway and Finland have it because of Russia.
    I don't know. Still seems to me like you're tossing aside the rights of your citizens to easily. What if I couldn't give a shit about these hostile nations? Or simply didn't want to fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeDuck View Post
    I don't know. Still seems to me like you're tossing aside the rights of your citizens to easily. What if I couldn't give a shit about these hostile nations? Or simply didn't want to fight.
    Then go die in a corner, you useless fuck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeDuck View Post
    Forcing anybody to join the army seems kinda strange to me.
    Uh... the change isn't about forcing people to join the military; it's about removing an out-dated military exemption based on a person's religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cannibal View Post
    Then go die in a corner, you useless fuck.
    So you believe the government should be able to force you to join the army, then a war breaks out. And you die. I'd rather die free by my own choice than die by being shot because some government forced me to go fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebrion View Post
    Uh... the change isn't about forcing people to join the military; it's about removing an out-dated military exemption based on a person's religion.
    Yes. Getting more people to join by force. It's just removing the loophole that exempts certain people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeDuck View Post
    I don't know. Still seems to me like you're tossing aside the rights of your citizens to easily. What if I couldn't give a shit about these hostile nations? Or simply didn't want to fight.
    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeDuck View Post
    So you believe the government should be able to force you to join the army, then a war breaks out. And you die. I'd rather die free by my own choice than die by being shot because some government forced me to go fight.
    I agree it's an infringement on our rights, but not one I care too much for. I don't know about other nations, but if you don't want to do it in Norway, there are loads of ways to avoid it. My Finnish flatmate said it's different in Finland, but they've got a bit of history with Russia.

    Most countries that have it do it because having an armed, military-trained populace makes other countries think twice about invading. Imagine if the USA tried invading Iraq if all its males were trained in the use of guns and were armed.
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    military service isnt a bad thing but arent these people a bit dangerous?
    i heard that these people are more likely to follow their spiritual leaders then the army commanders

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeDuck View Post
    Yes. Getting more people to join by force. It's just removing the loophole that exempts certain people.
    Are you simple, or something?

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    In Israel even women serve in the army. They can be given non-combat related jobs. But people must be willing to defend their freedom and the lives of their people if the need arises otherwise they do not deserve that freedom at the first place.

    I think in the USA it would do much good if youth was required to join the military for a couple of years to get their lives back in order. From what I have witnessed a lot of guys who have served in the army have an overall better attitude than their non-military counterparts.

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