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    Quote Originally Posted by 88Chaz88 View Post
    Fuck you, I never said anything of the sort. I'm talking about the drastic change in America's attitude towards war.
    Whats gonna be real interesting is the rest of the worlds drastic change in their attitude towards America once they take things too far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrawberryClock View Post
    Yeah, ever since war became profitable and/or the government needed to maintain power, they have been at war.
    Profitable, as how Krugman explains it? Or as in YOINK LOL WE HAVE YOU STUFF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrawberryClock View Post
    No they didn't.

    Let's start.

    War of 1812 - Despite conflict over origins, and claiming Native raids is nonsense since they were constantly at war with the US, probably the bigger reason was the US wanted to seize Canada, trade with France and remove British influence. Canadians gloriously defeat three American invasions, and the British move in to fuck shit up.

    Seminole War - President Jackson decides to go hunting Seminoles, personally murdering many, adding to his list of personal kills including two random British merchants for shits and giggles.

    Trail of tears, Apache War, Lakota Wars, various wars with Natives for shits and giggles and land.

    Mexican War - Had no fucking pretense for war, decided that the Mexicans were illegally occupying Mexican land in Tejas. Invades and steals land 20 times the size of the "occupied land".

    Spanish-American War - The war was based off an alleged steamboat explosion that historians agreed never happened. The real reason was politics about kicking out Europeans from the Americas, "liberating Cuba" and general interventionism. Result, Americans occupy Cuba, Philippines, Spanish Florida. Starts war with Filipino independent movements, murders hundreds of thousands.

    Various gunboat diplomacies, which were basically bombing/demanding nations open up trade. Happened usually in Asian nations.

    Various interventions in Mexico and Latin America, effectively called the Roosevelt corollary.

    With two major national ideals supporting them, manifest destiny and republicanism/"anti-colonialism" the US has been the most warlike, aggressive and murderous force on the face of the planet for the last two centuries. In terms of numbers, they outshine the Nazis though the Nazis were usually more brutals. Only the genocidal British Empire (May the Sun Never Set) outshines the US in the 19th century.
    Pretty sobering read. Not that I didn't know the history, but it is a reminder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrawberryClock View Post
    That happened a decade before. Mexico still had some control of land, in which the US proceeds to fight a war over.
    After Santa Anna's dissolution of the Constitution of 1824, issues such as lack of access to courts, the militarization of the region's government (e.g., response to Saltillo-Monclova problem) and self-defense issues resulting in the confrontation in Gonzales, public sentiment turned towards revolution. Santa Anna's invasion of the territory after his putting down the rebellion in Zacatecas provoked the conflict of 1836. The Texian forces fought and won the Texas Revolution in 1835–36. Texas now became an independent nation, the Republic of Texas. Attracted by the rich cotton lands and ranch lands, tens of thousands of immigrants arrived from the U.S. and from Germany as well. In 1845, Texas joined the United States, becoming the 28th state.

    You guys should correct wiki. It's full of misinformation. I saw no mention of how the US convinced the Mexican authorities to ban US immigration and/or convinced Santa Ana to dissolve the Constitution of 1824. Or how the US fought the war for the Texans.

    Did Santa Ana not lose? Did he not sign the treaty agreeing to the Texans' claims?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrawberryClock View Post
    What the fuck are you talking about, they invaded Cuba, which regarded itself as like a Spanish province, in order to establish a puppet regime.
    they fought the spanish army, thats not the same as fighting Cuba. learn your history, dumbass. the Cuban people were massively in favor of being freed from Spanish colonial rule (of course we wanted to replace it with our own colonial rule)

    and sailing warships into a harbor to threaten the Japanese=! war
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrik View Post
    and sailing warships into a harbor to threaten the Japanese=! war
    War is declared by Congress, true. But the only wars Congress authorised were the War of 1812, Mexican-American, Spanish-American and the World Wars. Armed conflict then. Either way, the bloodiest war (for the US) the US participated in, was the Civil War.

    What I'm saying is that the US, nor any powerful country, has never been peaceful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solonius View Post
    This is a little inaccurate. My country has a long history of imperialist tendencies, stretching back to the Mexican American War (if not further, I'm no history professor). Essentially the United States annexed Texas even though it was nationally considered to be a territory of Mexico. Doesn't seem very peaceful in my opinion
    Lol exactly you beat me to it, and yes we literally stole all of mexico haha (we gave them some back lol but we did take the entire country at one point). I dont have a problem with it because they stole it from the indians, im not a historian either but im pretty sure we were nicer to the indians than the spanish, they made them slaves we were at least kind enough to get slaves from across the world! lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by 88Chaz88 View Post
    Fuck you, I never said anything of the sort. I'm talking about the drastic change in America's attitude towards war.
    Military Industrial Complex that developed during and following WW2 along with exponentially increasing worries about Stalin's Russia. That and our new found 'Super Power' status after former super powers (U.K., France, Germany) more or less destroyed each other and lost a lot of their global reach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kusghuul View Post
    War is declared by Congress, true. But the only wars Congress authorised were the War of 1812, Mexican-American, Spanish-American and the World Wars. Armed conflict then. Either way, the bloodiest war (for the US) the US participated in, was the Civil War.

    What I'm saying is that the US, nor any powerful country, has never been peaceful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vor'Dus[DiE] View Post
    Switzerland?
    Only a Swede would consider Switzerland powerful. Ah, Sweden, the French of Scandinavia...
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