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    That was a terrible article. First of all, it ridicules ridiculing the ban on unpasteurised milk. Guessing from Rand's political heritage and what I know, he's pretty damn big on the 1st Amendment. If you think the FDA are good guys, you really need to start checking your sources.
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    Cool story bro, GUH...maaaaan tha' is crazy....(sorry, trying to blend in ...to avoid scandals and raising eyebrows )...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyldor Gwyvallt View Post
    Cool story bro, GUH...maaaaan tha' is crazy....(sorry, trying to blend in ...to avoid scandals and raising eyebrows )...

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    You'll never blend in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmyhat View Post
    You'll never blend in.

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    Thank you for the compliment, Sir ...how is the pasture? Nice and green?....I pass, sorry...

    (apologies to the AP for the diversion, now please all back to topic)

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    Why is a Monsanto lobbyist serving as the FDA's Food Safety Czar?

    Why is a former Monsanto lobbyist currently serving as the FDA's food safety czar waging war on small dairy farms that produce fresh milk?

    While factory farm operators are getting away with serious food safety violations, raw milk dairy farmers and distributors across the country have been subjected to armed raids and hauled away in handcuffs............
    http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/...ichael_taylor/

    Fixed....but I get your point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kusghuul View Post
    That was a terrible article. First of all, it ridicules ridiculing the ban on unpasteurised milk. Guessing from Rand's political heritage and what I know, he's pretty damn big on the 1st Amendment. If you think the FDA are good guys, you really need to start checking your sources.
    nono, FDA are terribly evil communist nazis trying to subvert the freedom of the american people. right next to hitler and obama bin laden. they talk about scientimajific ... stuff is too hard for me to understand and should therefore be outlawed.

    (of course i really just want to protect the profit interests of largescale corporation that make much of their profit from dumb, uninformed masses, so lets keep them that way)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Civilization View Post
    nono, FDA are terribly evil communist nazis trying to subvert the freedom of the american people. right next to hitler and obama bin laden. ......

    Ehmm, actually many Democrats are not on this with Obama:

    Tell President Obama to fire Monsanto's Michael Taylor from his job as Food Czar at the FDA.

    Whether or not you think unpasteurized milk is a good idea, it's clear that the FDA under Michael Taylor has its priorities wrong. When industrial agribusiness sickens thousands of people, it's absurd for the FDA to target Amish farmers producing fresh milk, much less to engage in "guns drawn" enforcement raids.

    CREDO is joining our allies at Food Democracy Now! in calling on the president to fire Monsanto's Michael Taylor from the FDA. Midwestern farmers will play an important symbolic role in President Obama's reelection campaign. We need to let the president know that we stand with small farmers and not Monsanto!
    http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/...ichael_taylor/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Civilization View Post
    nono, FDA are terribly evil communist nazis trying to subvert the freedom of the american people. right next to hitler and obama bin laden. they talk about scientimajific ... stuff is too hard for me to understand and should therefore be outlawed.

    (of course i really just want to protect the profit interests of largescale corporation that make much of their profit from dumb, uninformed masses, so lets keep them that way)
    I'm doing a PhD in biochemistry, so I have little trouble with the "scientimajific" part, as you so eloquently put it. After they went gung-ho with regulations in the wake of the thalidomide crisis, we've seen an exponential decrease in antibiotics due the new regulations they implemented, which further drove up costs and shortened shelf-life, thus making medicine exponentially more expensive. I had a short talk with a major person in a Norwegian pharmaceutical company a few weeks ago, and she didn't have anything good to say about the FDA either. The FDA, coupled with that politicians are essentially exempt from insider trading laws, is a very dangerous mix when it comes to the free market. Obama just made a shit ton of money I believe (check which pharmaceutical company his money's in and a new anti-AIDS drug).

    All I would want in the way of labelling is that it's factually correct (backed by a study). You don't need to label a banana with the amount of calories, or where an apple came from. If you've put nut genes in a tomato, label it with that for people with allergies. But that is NOT what the FDA do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kusghuul View Post
    I'm doing a PhD in biochemistry, so I have little trouble with the "scientimajific" part, as you so eloquently put it.
    You do seem to have trouble at reading comprehension to counterbalance your PhD in biochemistry. Paul wants to end the FDA wholly based on self-contradictory arguments. Wether the FDA does what it's supposed to do is another story alltogether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Civilization View Post
    You do seem to have trouble at reading comprehension to counterbalance your PhD in biochemistry. Paul wants to end the FDA wholly based on self-contradictory arguments. Wether the FDA does what it's supposed to do is another story alltogether.
    Right back at you. I don't have one, I'm doing one. His rhetoric is poor, but surely you understand what he's saying? What I was critising was the shitty article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kusghuul View Post
    His rhetoric is poor, but surely you understand what he's saying?
    I don't think anyone fully understands what he actually is saying, but as far as I can tell he wants to end the FDA because accurate food labels and scientific articles regarding the contents of food are undermining the people's freedom. He bases that on the minority of amish farmers, that have trouble selling unlabeled milk at markets. That's pretty whacky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kusghuul View Post
    I'm doing a PhD in biochemistry, so I have little trouble with the "scientimajific" part, as you so eloquently put it. After they went gung-ho with regulations in the wake of the thalidomide crisis, we've seen an exponential decrease in antibiotics due the new regulations they implemented, which further drove up costs and shortened shelf-life, thus making medicine exponentially more expensive.
    I want PirateGlen and Apex wanking eachother to this statement as well.
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    There are bad and good parts to FDA. Whatever Rand Paul is trying to do will not help anyone put corporations who put shit that makes people sick into their products. If this would pass then corporations would just claim that they were not aware of health hazards their products had and they would not be held liable.

    I love how he uses one argument about Amish to do something entirely different. He is not dumb but his agenda is not what it at first appears to be.

    PS: To get your shit in perspective. Imagine if there would be no FDA or FDA with very limited powers. In Ukraine where I used to live FDA was shit unlike in USA. When you were buying things you had no clue what was in it. Freedom of speech right? Right. Until you are puking your guts out over a toilet due to food poisoning... It isn't fun.
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    Unpasterized milk is legal in Quebec and used for stuff like gourmet cheese and nobody is dropping dead. It's fine when handled properly, just like most foods that can easily make you sick if handled improperly. A ban on it is obsolete, and enforcing that ban with dawn swat raids is really heavy handed and any reasonable person should consider that crossing the line.

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