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    Default 2 Minn. men with ties to supremacist groups had amassed weapons with goal of attack

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...ulT_story.html

    MINNEAPOLIS — Two Minnesota men with suspected ties to white supremacist groups amassed several weapons and hundreds of rounds of ammunition as part of a plan to attack the government, minorities and others, according to a federal affidavit unsealed this week.

    Samuel James Johnson, 31, of Austin, also tried to recruit others to his cause and actively scouted for a training compound in Illinois and Minnesota, the affidavit said. Joseph Benjamin Thomas, 42, of Mendota Heights, told an undercover FBI agent that he had tried to get explosives as part of a plan to “conduct attacks on left-wing individuals,” according to the affidavit.


    Authorities began looking into Johnson and Thomas in 2010, as part of an investigation into domestic terrorism.

    However, the men have not been charged with terrorism. Johnson was indicted earlier this month on weapons charges, and Thomas was indicted on drug charges. Court documents were unsealed this week after the men made their initial appearances in U.S. District Court.

    “We certainly believed them to be a legitimate threat,” said FBI spokesman Kyle Loven. When asked whether the men had any specific plans or targets, he said he could not comment because of the indictments.

    The indictments said Johnson has prior convictions for armed crimes and is not allowed to have weapons, but from late 2010 through late last year he was found with five weapons — including a semi-automatic assault rifle — and over 1,000 rounds of ammunition.

    Thomas was indicted on four charges related to possession and sale of methamphetamine.

    Messages left with their attorneys were not immediately returned Friday.

    According to the affidavit, Johnson was a former member and Minnesota leader of the National Socialist Movement, a white nationalist group, and had gone on to form his own group, called the Aryan Liberation Movement.

    With the new group, Johnson planned to “recruit and train other white supremacist sympathizers toward a final goal of committing acts of violence against the United States government and minority individuals,” the affidavit said.

    Thomas came to the FBI’s attention when he hosted National Socialist Movement meetings in 2010 and discussed forming the new group with Johnson, the affidavit said.

    Thomas also has prior convictions and is prohibited from having firearms until 2013. But last May, he sold an undercover FBI agent several weapons, including a semi-automatic handgun, a pistol-grip shotgun, a laser sight and hundreds of rounds of ammunition, according to the affidavit.

    A month later, Thomas told the undercover agent that Homeland Security agents came to his home. Thomas said he lied to those officials and destroyed his computer hard drive after they left. Thomas then gave the undercover FBI agent more ammunition, a handgun, another laser sight, and a ballistic vest, explaining that he feared he would be arrested for having the weapons, the affidavit said.

    He also showed the undercover agent a shotgun he kept in his closet.

    This month, Thomas told the undercover agent that a stockpile of guns had been stolen in northern Minnesota, and while some had been returned to authorities, two of the stolen guns were at his house, the affidavit said.

    The affidavit also outlined Thomas’ suspected drug activity. He allegedly told the undercover agent in January that he believed once the increased law enforcement activity around his home died down, he would control the area’s marijuana, cocaine and meth connections.

    Mark Pitcavage, director of investigative research for the Anti-Defamation League, which tracks extremist groups nationwide, said Johnson came to their attention in 2009, when he and another member of the National Socialist Movement organized two anti-immigration rallies in Minnesota.

    Pitcavage said Johnson is involved in hate groups but is overall a minor player on the white-supremacist scene.

    He added that weapons charges are common in cases like this.

    “That’s a very common way that extremists get arrested, and it’s a very solid charge too,” Pitcavage said.
    And so it begins...

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    Begins? Were you in a coma for the Oklahoma City bombing?
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    No, that’s EE’s standard comment when he posts a news article so I thought I would follow suit. He is a trend setter.

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    I would just like to point out.....
    Minnisota.......

    NOT IN THE FUCKING SOUTH....you god damned racist fucking yankees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziegler View Post
    I would just like to point out.....
    Minnisota.......

    NOT IN THE FUCKING SOUTH....you god damned racist fucking yankees.
    I'm sure they are just transplants and are originally from the south

    i kid i kid

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    "he was found with five weapons — including a semi-automatic assault rifle — and over 1,000 rounds of ammunition."

    An assault rifle by definition is fully automatic, and 1,000 rounds of ammunition is not very much at all. Its good that these sort of criminals are being arrested but the media always fear mongers anything to do with firearms and "training". These fellas should be put in jail because of their illegal weapons and drug trafficking, but the media will make it sound as if they are trying to build some kind of army. If a person wants to practice with a rifle in drills like those performed in the military, it is within their right to do so. These are not the kind of people that anyone should be afraid of.

    "Thomas also has prior convictions and is prohibited from having firearms until 2013. But last May, he sold an undercover FBI agent several weapons, including a semi-automatic handgun, a pistol-grip shotgun, a laser sight and hundreds of rounds of ammunition, according to the affidavit."

    The rhetoric used is just a joke. Selling ammunition and a laser sight does not violate any laws that i am aware of, and what exactly is a "pistol-grip shotgun"? If they mean a normal pump action weapon with a piece of extended plastic on it, then i guess that makes sense, but it sounds like demonizing if you ask me.

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    And here I thought Obama's declaration that the war on Islamic terror is over would mean we can finally start scaling back all the horseshit police state policies we've adopted over the last decade. Nope! Mark my words, the new imminent threat to "national security" will be any American citizen with a gun, and an opinion that doesn't coincide with official doctrine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaehl View Post
    And here I thought Obama's declaration that the war on Islamic terror is over would mean we can finally start scaling back all the horseshit police state policies we've adopted over the last decade. Nope! Mark my words, the new imminent threat to "national security" will be any American citizen with a gun, and an opinion that doesn't coincide with official doctrine.
    It sounds like they were in the planning stage of actually committing an attack, would like to see all of the evidence though, I know LEA have a history of trumping up accusations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doomahx View Post
    It sounds like they were in the planning stage of actually committing an attack, would like to see all of the evidence though, I know LEA have a history of trumping up accusations.
    Sounds to me like they just had a gun club and got hammered on the weekends but meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxdie View Post
    Sounds to me like they just had a gun club and got hammered on the weekends but meh.
    and they weren't dealing drugs, it was just a few guys being pharmacists...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatdane View Post
    and they weren't dealing drugs, it was just a few guys being pharmacists...
    Quick look up! before its too la... nope nevermind, its long gone now, better luck next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaehl View Post
    And here I thought Obama's declaration that the war on Islamic terror is over would mean we can finally start scaling back all the horseshit police state policies we've adopted over the last decade. Nope! Mark my words, the new imminent threat to "national security" will be any American citizen with a gun, and an opinion that doesn't coincide with official doctrine.
    Google up American vets seen as terrorist threats.





    A pistol grip shotgun, is one that has had the stock removed and modified with a pistol style grip meant for firing from the hip insetad of shoulder.

    the .22 rifle my daddy gave me when I was 10....is a semi-automatic....any hand gun you purchase that isnt a revolver(dont come at me with the exceptions EE like derringers and BP)...is semi-automatic. Semi-automatic.....half automatic....doesnt that sound like....kinda pregnant....you either are automatic or you are not.....a better term would auto loading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziegler View Post
    Google up American vets seen as terrorist threats.

    Indeed, moreover the feds have been been updating the parameters of law enforcement of all levels to consider as potential terrorists such people as have: guns, ammo, anti-government sentiment, more than a week's worth of food (wtf?), the belief that government economic policies are unsustainable, anti-war sentiment, etc.

    Luckily we now have the NDAA to ensure that no one suspected of terrorism, or even "support" of terrorism, whatever that means, will ever have to see a fair trial or the light of day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziegler View Post
    Google up American vets seen as terrorist threats.





    A pistol grip shotgun, is one that has had the stock removed and modified with a pistol style grip meant for firing from the hip insetad of shoulder.

    the .22 rifle my daddy gave me when I was 10....is a semi-automatic....any hand gun you purchase that isnt a revolver(dont come at me with the exceptions EE like derringers and BP)...is semi-automatic. Semi-automatic.....half automatic....doesnt that sound like....kinda pregnant....you either are automatic or you are not.....a better term would auto loading.
    I managed to pick up a thing or two over the years about firearms. My point was that no shotgun exists which i would call a "pistol grip shotgun" And that its a 20 dollar way of making something sound dangerous when in reality, no form of grip or aftermarket attachment will change the important things about a firearm such as caliber, action etc. The media always does this, and they slap the term "assault rifle" on weapons like 22 carbines and pretty much anything with plastic furniture. Just like the joke Clinton assault weapon ban that made bayonet lugs a requirement for "assault weapon." Shows a complete lack of understanding about what happened.

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