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    Default The Future Militaries Of The World

    http://news.antiwar.com/2011/05/15/b...-army-for-uae/

    Blackwater, in which Donald Rumsfeld is now a leading member of, is apparently "assembling a secret army for the UAE". The UAE is of course, an oligarchy comprised of a wealthy elite who owns a fuckton of oil, real estate, casinos and etc.

    Being a small nation, they lack a military. This is similar to other gulf states as they often need foreign mercenaries(Bahrainis hired Pakistanis to mow down Bahrainis).

    But this is a whole new level of fucked. They are using soldiers from troubled regions of the world to be regimentalized and having the task of carrying military operations.

    This was heavy in the Bush years, some 100,000 or so "contractors" being paid 1k a day was pretty well known. They were usually from Latin American paramilitaries or ex SF. But from the role of "security interests" to now direct national defense is absolutely ridiculous.

    I'm not surprised, the PMC has increased in scope, nature, wealth and power since Bush. I for one expect armies of the future to be a purely mercenary army as opposed to an indirectly mercenary army.

    How do you think armies will play out in the future? International trade and globalization, nuclear weapons and capitalism in general remedies the need for conflict between major players. The rise of corporations in power, shape and structure, supported by governments, is occurring as well.
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    sounds like that mediocre comedy "War Inc" with my mans, John Cusack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TumorousGrowth View Post
    sounds like that mediocre comedy "War Inc" with my mans, John Cusack.
    I am going to watch this film.

    Also in part becuase enjoyed John Cusack in 1408 and me thinking he was Jim Belushi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelNyman View Post
    I am going to watch this film.

    Also in part becuase enjoyed John Cusack in 1408 and me thinking he was Jim Belushi.
    Cusack's early work such as 'Better Off Dead' or 'One Crazy Summer' were far superior to his more recent roles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falokis View Post
    Cusack's early work such as 'Better Off Dead' or 'One Crazy Summer' were far superior to his more recent roles.
    He's past his prime as a star but he's till pretty cool

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    My theory is that the so called antipiracy measures is so that the UAE and its corrupt government and oligarchy would use this army to remove any security threats just like Bahrain did using mercenaries.

    In the face of democracy, reformation and revolution that spread like wildfire, they will use a corrupt and morally-non-existent corporation like Xe(Blackwater) to shoot down a few civilians. Blackwater had practice in Iraq in killing off a few civilians, so they have experience in that regard.

    If anybody watched the short lived series Jericho, when they use a PMC as the protagonist, its a not too far off future for when we might have to put up with them in the face of a dismantling and increasingly corporatized nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelNyman View Post
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    The ghost of Strawberry takes many unlikely forms and have haunted these boards since his demise to the cult of mods.

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    Afaik, Strawberry was just an incarnation of an earlier Forumfaller, possibly pre-08. Anyone able to verify?
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    The UAE sucks. Beyond all the main reasons they suck, they have forced labor camps with foreigners they recruit with stories of grandeur and promises of high wages only to confiscate their passports when they arrive and make them work in 120 degree heat with minimal food and unclean water.

    Migrants, particularly migrant workers, make up a majority (approximately 80%) of the resident population of the UAE, and account for 90% of its workforce.[6] They lack rights associated with citizenship and face a variety of restrictions on their rights as workers.

    Migrants, mostly of South Asian origin, constitute for 42.5% of the UAE’s workforce and are subject to a range of human rights abuses. Workers typically arrive in debt to recruitment agents from home countries and upon arrival are often made to sign a new contract in English or Arabic which pays them less than had originally been agreed. Visa and travel costs are typically added on to the original debt, and thus within hours of their arrival, workers often find that their debt-repayment time has increased significantly, possibly by years.

    I can imagine a number of reasons they would want to protect their emirate lifestyle with a military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelNyman View Post
    This was heavy in the Bush years, some 100,000 or so "contractors" being paid 1k a day was pretty well known. They were usually from Latin American paramilitaries or ex SF. But from the role of "security interests" to now direct national defense is absolutely ridiculous.
    Seriously, you think governments are going to pay that kind of money in the long run. Bush did it since he didn't have approval from the government to fund the number soldiers he wanted in Iraq. Using foreigners though is smart since you're not taking them out of your own economy and might not have to pay for them when they get injured. They should rather make an arrangement with countries that have lots of poor people, f ex India and China to get cheap soldiers and make it much easier to recruit from those countries (by making it legal for them to join and allow your government to set up recruitment centers there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weeking View Post
    Seriously, you think governments are going to pay that kind of money in the long run. Bush did it since he didn't have approval from the government to fund the number soldiers he wanted in Iraq. Using foreigners though is smart since you're not taking them out of your own economy and might not have to pay for them when they get injured. They should rather make an arrangement with countries that have lots of poor people, f ex India and China to get cheap soldiers and make it much easier to recruit from those countries (by making it legal for them to join and allow your government to set up recruitment centers there.
    LOL they wouldnt not recruit Indians...they are useless. There is a pretty big difference in quality between an Indian peasent firing his AK47 from the hip and a Delta Force commando, and you get what you pay for.

    The high salaries they pay some mercs are because:

    1) That is the value of those guys, we are talking ex-special ops guys, elites like SEALs, Delta Force, Ranger, etc. When in the service they are paid like 40k when they are worth A LOT more on the open job market. Not just as mercs but they can pull in 6 figures easy just working as bodyguards or something.

    2) Also when they are paid as contracters it's not as outrageous as you make it seem, cuz the govt has realized a lot of savings over someone in the service. Doesn't have to cover the mercernary/contracters' benefits, medical, continued training and other logistical costs.

    The question is, once a SEAL finishes his training how long should he have to work for the govt? I dont know what their contract looks like, I am sure he is obligated to do some tours, but he cant be forced to work for the govt forever. Like any other person, eventually they become "free agents" at which point people want to pay them A LOT more for their skills than their 40k govt salary. Even if the govt wants to keep them they will have to. It's not totally unfair.

    Blackwater is hardly comparable to a military, the biggest difference is they dont have many heavy weapons. They are more like an employment agency for highly trained soldiers who have done their service to their nation and now want to make a little scratch with the skills they dedicated most of their life to acquiring. Is it wrong? I dunno. Should these guys be selflessly serving their nation their entire life, at low pay? No other profession is asked to do that... The US and other western govt does hire them, so its like they are quitting the US to go work for Col. Ghaddafi. They moved to the UAE because they needed to get out of reach of the out of control American legal system (lots of companies are doing this).

    Anyways, I am not trying to shill for them, I just think it is a very complicated issue and there is more going on than BUSH = EVIL.

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