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    I've heard a lot of "frivolous arguments" that fail in court (though, some of those failed in spite of being logically sound because juries are not bound by logic)... but I've never heard the following argument before.

    http://www.truthattack.org/jml/index...:faq&Itemid=16

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    since when does the Gov tax 100% income?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    since when does the Gov tax 100% income?
    In general, all of your income is subject to income tax, is how I read it. Of course, deductions may add on to that... but I still think that was what he was claiming.

    As in, it's a certain percentage of tax(say, 30%.. I don't know the real number), applied to a certain percentage of your earnings (100% of your earnings).

    "We have a 30% tax on income, which applies to ALL of your income of any form, rather than part of it"


    I could have misread that, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abaratican View Post
    In general, all of your income is subject to income tax, is how I read it. Of course, deductions may add on to that... but I still think that was what he was claiming.
    But all your income isn't subject to the tax
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    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    But all your income isn't subject to the tax
    How do you figure? I don't claim to know tax laws fully, but I've never heard income tax expressed as anything other than:

    "If your income range is between $X and $Y, your tax rate on every dollar of income earned is Z%."

    Even with deductions and exemptions, those deductions and exemptions are applying to the whole. You don't start with 50% of your income being relevant to the tax, you start with 100% and add on deductions... And those deductions/exemptions are tacked on, not part of income tax in its general form... are they not?

    Also note what value they use for "income" when they refer to an income range...it's all of it.

    EDIT: though, this does highlight a potential weakness of his argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abaratican View Post
    How do you figure?
    Because he's actually read a W2 form? Maybe?

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    I don't think fighting this in courts will ever bear fruit. What stops the population from simply demanding that these loop holes are taken out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebrion View Post
    Because he's actually read a W2 form? Maybe?
    Unfortunately that's actually a fair argument, as I've historically crutched on my family for getting my taxes done (as several of them used to be tax practitioners).

    I'm taking the reigns this year though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    But all your income isn't subject to the tax
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    Because he's actually read a W2 form? Maybe?
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    Unfortunately that's actually a fair argument, as I've historically crutched on my family for getting my taxes done (as several of them used to be tax practitioners).

    I'm taking the reigns this year though.
    It's an excuse but not exactly a rebuttal of the claim in the link. Deductions are arbitrary and require that certain criteria be met; none of which has anything to do w/ the actual value of the 'basis' or 'expense' incurred by the individual to earn his 'gross revenue'.

    Most deductions, in fact, have little if nothing to do w/ an individual's 'cost of goods sold' although they might cover some 'administrative costs' to use equivalent corporate terminology where true income only is taxed and not gross revenue.
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    Am I right in thinking that Americans need to fill out tax forms themselves?

    Over here it's all handled by employers.

    Edit: And Xipher is right, not all your income is subject to tax. Only what's over some arbitary amount that the government decides and some special cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 88Chaz88 View Post
    Am I right in thinking that Americans need to fill out tax forms themselves?
    You are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rachsucht View Post
    You are correct.
    Why?

    Here it's easily done via your employer. I do it sometimes for my company. You just take the tax out according to the tax band the employee is on, keep it back for the quarter, and pay the employee minus tax.

    You don't confuse the layman with making him/her do it themselves (I work in accounts and wouldn't expect others to do the job I'm paid for), and they don't have to personally send the government a big cheque for a service that you can't really see in the physcal sense.

    No wonder you guys are unhappy if you're made to give away your pay every so often. I just see my pay as being what it is after tax is taken out, not before.
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