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    So the mainstream theory places civilization as really kicking it into high gear around 3500 bc.

    http://www.timelines.info/history/em...civilisations/

    But there is evidence, water erosion on the sphinx, the migration of the Nile river (now 7 miles away from the pyramids)

    Theres an interesting documentary called the Pyramid Code (google torrents) released in 2009 that goes into depth about the band of peace. A bit of it is far out there but some pretty interesting stuff.

    ancient african ruins believed to be upwards of 75,000 years old
    http://makomati.org/

    and dozens of other findings that would place ancient civilizations at least 35,000 years ago.

    So what does everyone think? Civilization started around 3500 bc and all this other stuff is just fabricated or...

    Offtopic has gotten pretty bland lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syphus View Post
    So the mainstream theory places civilization as really kicking it into high gear around 3500 bc.

    http://www.timelines.info/history/em...civilisations/

    But there is evidence, water erosion on the sphinx, the migration of the Nile river (now 7 miles away from the pyramids)

    Theres an interesting documentary called the Pyramid Code (google torrents) released in 2009 that goes into depth about the band of peace. A bit of it is far out there but some pretty interesting stuff.

    ancient african ruins believed to be upwards of 75,000 years old
    http://makomati.org/

    and dozens of other findings that would place ancient civilizations at least 35,000 years ago.

    So what does everyone think? Civilization started around 3500 bc and all this other stuff is just fabricated or...

    Offtopic has gotten pretty bland lately.

    Time for some tinfoil
    I don't think this counts as tinfoil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apex Vertigo View Post
    I don't think this counts as tinfoil.
    Yeah, it actually just calls into question linguistic development and stuff like that. Also, we have to wonder how developed their cultures were, if they really existed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apex Vertigo View Post
    I don't think this counts as tinfoil.
    Neither do I, but it is an interesting concept. Not that I clicked any of those links.
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    I listen to Coast to Coast AM and sometimes you'll get crazies on there talking about the Anuki, and how they jump started civilization on earth. Thats why its tinfoil.

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    here is an overwhelming consensus by scholars, academics and even mystics that southern Africa is the cradle of humankind and that this is where the first humans walked the Earth before migrating to the distant corners of our planet. Through the study of mitochondrial DNA in females, geneticists found evidence that points to a time when the first humans suddenly appeared on Earth, reigniting the ongoing debate about the ‘missing link’. Their calculation show that the common ancestor to all humans appeared somewhere between 180,000 and 360,000 years ago. She was affectionately called Mitochondrial Eve.

    But the first signs of human intelligence and consciousness only appeared around 75,000 years ago, when the Khoisan people of southern Africa, sometimes also referred to as Bushmen, started leaving behind an array of spectacular cave paintings all over this part of the continent. Finely crafted beads and bracelet fragments found in a cave at Blombos in the Western Cape, South Africa, show that these early humans had already developed a feel for the arts and crafts around 80,000 years ago. Until recently, this was the only real link we had to the cradle of humankind in southern Africa and its earliest inhabitants.
    So basically 150k-300k years ago the first Humanlike ancestors popped up.

    80k years ago there are cave paintings, pottery, advanced tools, signs of villages, vast stone structures, from the African "bushmen". Yet were lead to believe that it took until 3500bc for a major civilization to come along.
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    Id rather civ only started around 3500, otherwise thats another 71500 years we havnt been in space fucking green alien women and firing phasers at max, very sad.

    Edit: Seriously though i really doubt that for 70000 years people essensially sat on there collective ass's and did jack shit in the way of advancing themselfs..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syphus View Post
    So the mainstream theory places civilization as really kicking it into high gear around 3500 bc.

    http://www.timelines.info/history/em...civilisations/

    But there is evidence, water erosion on the sphinx, the migration of the Nile river (now 7 miles away from the pyramids)

    Theres an interesting documentary called the Pyramid Code (google torrents) released in 2009 that goes into depth about the band of peace. A bit of it is far out there but some pretty interesting stuff.

    ancient african ruins believed to be upwards of 75,000 years old
    http://makomati.org/

    and dozens of other findings that would place ancient civilizations at least 35,000 years ago.

    So what does everyone think? Civilization started around 3500 bc and all this other stuff is just fabricated or...

    Offtopic has gotten pretty bland lately.

    Time for some tinfoil
    Read a book called Ishmael, by Daniel Quinn.

    But, in short, it's not difficult for an intelligent and rational person to understand how the modern human has very likely been for a very, very, very long time (saying 100,000 years, for example, would most likely be in no way a stretch).
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    *adjusts tinfoil cap*

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG7YI...layer_embedded
    Is a youtube link for the mentioned documentary.

    I think it is fun to think that our ancient ancestors were more advanced then we thought. And besides, we all know that aliens placed us here and posed as gods while enslaving humans for thousands of years.

    I'm just glad we removed their shackles and have our new alien backwards engineered craft/fleets defending us from orbit.
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    You're talking about paleolithic vs neolithic. There is strong evidence which puts this shift around 10,000 BCE.

    Since stone doesn't tend to decompose, or oxidize and disintegrate we can generally tell when and where stone tool development occurred.

    This is the dawn of civilization as we know it. Where people began to participate in permanent or semi permanent settlements and agriculture.

    If there were agrarian cultures before 10,000 BCE we most likely would have found tools indicating so by now. Since we haven't and it's not like we haven't been looking, it seems unlikely it happened much before then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osium View Post
    You're talking about paleolithic vs neolithic. There is strong evidence which puts this shift around 10,000 BCE.

    Since stone doesn't tend to decompose, or oxidize and disintegrate we can generally tell when and where stone tool development occurred.

    This is the dawn of civilization as we know it. Where people began to participate in permanent or semi permanent settlements and agriculture.

    If there were agrarian cultures before 10,000 BCE we most likely would have found tools indicating so by now. Since we haven't and it's not like we haven't been looking, it seems unlikely it happened much before then.
    This is largely correct. However, the real grey area is how far back human civilizations that weren't land-consuming agriculturalists existed, and at what point modern agriculturalist society overtook the, for lack of a better word, primitive hunting and gathering societies of earlier man.

    The important distinction here is that our society relies heavily on permanent stone structures and tools to determine the existence of ancient civilizations ; but, as we've seen with many tribal nations over the past several hundred years, it's entirely possible for a human community to leave little to no trace of their existence for future generations - particularly societies that largely neglect the kind excessive agriculture that our civilization thrives on.

    These civilizations are the most interesting to me largely because they are precisely the reason why modern history is incapable of exposing the full story of our species - and, more to the point, that they represent a much longer stretch of human society than what we consider to be the period of modern man, and a stretch that we know next to nothing about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebrion View Post
    This is largely correct. However, the real grey area is how far back human civilizations that weren't land-consuming agriculturalists existed, and at what point modern agriculturalist society overtook the, for lack of a better word, primitive hunting and gathering societies of earlier man.

    The important distinction here is that our society depends very largely on permanent stone structures and tools to determine the existence of ancient civilizations ; but, as we've seen with many tribal nations over the past several hundred years, it's entirely possible for a human community to leave little to no trace of their existence for future generations.

    These civilizations are the most interesting to me largely because they are precisely the reason why modern history is incapable of exposing the history of our species - and, more to the point, that they represent a much longer stretch of human society that we know next to nothing about.
    tldr: our current 'modern' age is actually a fraction of a fraction of our species time on earth.


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    And, in addition to that, there's a very important distinction between tribal hunter-gathering societies, and excessive agriculturalist societies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osium View Post
    You're talking about paleolithic vs neolithic. There is strong evidence which puts this shift around 10,000 BCE.

    Since stone doesn't tend to decompose, or oxidize and disintegrate we can generally tell when and where stone tool development occurred.

    This is the dawn of civilization as we know it. Where people began to participate in permanent or semi permanent settlements and agriculture.

    If there were agrarian cultures before 10,000 BCE we most likely would have found tools indicating so by now. Since we haven't and it's not like we haven't been looking, it seems unlikely it happened much before then.
    Well heres the problem, saying that we've searched for and haven't found any other agrarian civilizations prior to the thought "mainstream" shift doesn't mean they haven't existed.

    Most of the archaeology done from modern times (1800's+) focused on specific regions. Sumer and the rest of "cradle of civilization"

    http://www.memo.fr/Media/Civilisation_Sumer.jpg

    The largest issue with that is prior to 8000bc that area was an arid desert like tundra. Obviously no prior civilizations would pop up there. It was only after a shift in climate that the soil became viable for sustained crop growth. Add in the influence of trade routes between Africa/Asia/Europe and thats main reason permanent civilization cropped up in that area between 6000-8000bc.

    Hell most of Egypt's ruins haven't been properly surveyed and we know where they are.

    Take the sphinx for example, based on sediment markers the only viable timeframe for water erosion to occur would be 12000bc. Thats based on the type of sandstone used etc...

    What about the other evidence, spread between south and east Africa there are over 20,000 ruins nearly none of them explored all likely range from 10,000 to 75,000 bc. Ya 20-100 tonne stone blocks moved hundreds of miles and it was done without sophisticated tools.

    Thats like looking at a house, saying well I don't see a hammer. Obviously the people living here didn't have agriculture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeyninja View Post
    Id rather civ only started around 3500, otherwise thats another 71500 years we havnt been in space fucking green alien women and firing phasers at max, very sad.

    Edit: Seriously though i really doubt that for 70000 years people essensially sat on there collective ass's and did jack shit in the way of advancing themselfs..
    Of course they did, America wasn't invented until 1777.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderboy2402 View Post
    *adjusts tinfoil cap*

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG7YI...layer_embedded
    Is a youtube link for the mentioned documentary.

    I think it is fun to think that our ancient ancestors were more advanced then we thought. And besides, we all know that aliens placed us here and posed as gods while enslaving humans for thousands of years.

    I'm just glad we removed their shackles and have our new alien backwards engineered craft/fleets defending us from orbit.
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