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    Default "Nursery school personality and political orientation two decades later"

    This is a research study found here: http://hotair.cachefly.net/media.mic...entation-1.pdf

    I have only read the abstract so far but I thought it would make good fuel for the fire.

    If you are liberal/conservative, do the adjectives below describe you somewhat accurately as a child?
    Do people become liberal because they are used to having a lack of control, so they feel they can interfere with other peoples lives?
    Do people become conservative because as children any sort of change was a scary threat to them?

    From the abstract:
    Preschool children who 20 years later were relatively liberal were characterized as: developing close relationships, self-reliant, energetic, somewhat dominating, relatively under-controlled, and resilient. Preschool children subsequently relatively conservative at age 23 were described as: feeling easily victimized, easily offended, indecisive, fearful, rigid, inhibited, and relatively over-controlled and vulnerable.

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    Smells like propaganda, from Berkeley, no less.
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    I think the conservative ones tend to have kids who were raised fucked up in religious households, while the liberal people were raised by more well-off parents/educated parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokstarr View Post
    Smells like propaganda, from Berkeley, no less.
    Yes, because scientists have an agenda. Which is to victimise the conservatives. Get over yourself; in the old Soviet Union the only way to get away with critisising the government was using statistics.

    i would also like to point out that the publication is in a good scientific paper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kusghuul View Post
    Yes, because scientists have an agenda. Which is to victimise the conservatives. Get over yourself; in the old Soviet Union the only way to get away with critisising the government was using statistics.

    i would also like to point out that the publication is in a good scientific paper.
    You're right, scientists never have an agenda; how foolish of me to think that they might not be credible, especially coming from the university that protested, essentially, patriotism and opportunity. very credible indeed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokstarr View Post
    You're right, scientists never have an agenda; how foolish of me to think that they might not be credible, especially coming from the university that protested, essentially, patriotism and opportunity. very credible indeed!
    That you think the scientists are out to get you is consistent with "feeling easily victimized".

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    Yeah to be honest, it kinda does. But I don't think that actually means anything, I saw this Bullshit episode and Penn & Teller gave this class a list of adjectives, they were supposed to raise their hands if it described them. 90%-ish raised their hands, then it turns out it was the same list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PirateGlen View Post
    That you think the scientists are out to get you is consistent with "feeling easily victimized".
    Most likely; I mean, a preponderance of evidence really is "feeling easily victimized."

    Oh, and btw, I'm not a conservative. Try again, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrawberryClock View Post
    I think the conservative ones tend to have kids who were raised fucked up in religious households, while the liberal people were raised by more well-off parents/educated parents.
    Considering that african americans tend to vote democratic/liberal (lazy google to prevent nazi mod saying I'm being racist: http://racism-politics.suite101.com/...oting_patterns ), and also considering that historically african americans don't tend to be as well educated (due to social reasons, poverty, being prejudiced against... use whatever reasoning you want, I'm not saying they are stupid at all... also, lazy google link: http://www.runet.edu/~junnever/bw.htm )...

    I'd tend to think that voting liberal has absolutely nothing to do with being educated, or not being religious.
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    When I have more time I will look at methodology. I remember the Happiness Index bs Scandinavians were prancing here about until people looked at the criteria of what that study consider a happy person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokstarr View Post
    You're right, scientists never have an agenda; how foolish of me to think that they might not be credible, especially coming from the university that protested, essentially, patriotism and opportunity. very credible indeed!
    1. Climategate isn't a scandal. Taking things out of context doesn't prove a point.

    2. Most universities are against military recruiting, as most student unions are against sending people to die for oil. Over here in Britain, where labour's ruled supreme since der Führer Thatcher, students are pretty divided on what they vote, interpreting conservative as rightwing here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kusghuul View Post
    Yes, because scientists have an agenda. Which is to victimise the conservatives. Get over yourself; in the old Soviet Union the only way to get away with critisising the government was using statistics.

    i would also like to point out that the publication is in a good scientific paper.
    Of course scientists have an agenda. Regardless, the issues I have w/ this study are the sample and the nursery school evaluations.

    What were the political beliefs of the parents of kids who lived in Berkeley/Oakland in 1969?

    Too many variables ignored by the study (similar to global warming) and no conclusive evidence of causation can be claimed.

    The nature of the sample. The sample, born in the late 1960s and achieving young
    adulthood about 1990, grew up in Berkeley and Oakland, an enveloping cultural context
    appreciably diVerent from much of America—a factor that should be taken into account.
    Widely and properly perceived as reXecting liberal, even sometimes extreme left political
    views, the San Francisco Bay Area provides a context that unsurprisingly and unemmbarrassedly encourages liberalism and looks askance at much of conservatism. Accordingly, it is understandable that, in its entirety, the present sample as young adults is liberally oriented.


    However, and of course, any sample bias carries no implication whatsoever regarding
    analyses of individual diVerences conducted within the sample.


    I don't agree with this dismissal of the almost homogenous sampling. If everyone around you is 'liberal', you will most definitely develop different psychological/emotional characteristics. Not to mention, the parents will also significantly influence the children.

    Not to mention, the abstract focuses purely on what might be deemed 'good' qualities w/ respect to the liberal children and the 'bad' qualities w/ respect to the conservative children.

    Example: feeling easily victimized, This is not the actual characteristic described in the study. The study actually describes the children as Is easily victimized by other children. Nothing to do w/ "feeling" but actual action. Which, of course, depending on how you look at it, this really demonstrates that the "liberal" children are more inclined to take advantage of others. See wut I did thar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokstarr View Post
    Most likely; I mean, a preponderance of evidence really is "feeling easily victimized."

    Oh, and btw, I'm not a conservative. Try again, please.
    Oh right, you're an "independent".

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrawberryClock View Post
    I think the conservative ones tend to have kids who were raised fucked up in religious households, while the liberal people were raised by more well-off parents/educated parents.
    Yes, the bloating of the government($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$), hotel resorts for criminals, free hand-outs, and scaring parents out of disciplining their children surely have done this country a lot of good, and surely singles out that liberal genius.

    Killing babies rather than making irresponsible dead beats accountable is also a nice added bonus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kusghuul View Post
    Yes, because scientists have an agenda. Which is to victimise the conservatives. Get over yourself; in the old Soviet Union the only way to get away with critisising the government was using statistics.

    i would also like to point out that the publication is in a good scientific paper.
    See global warming

    Oh and did you know 42% of statistics are made up

    And besides all statistics are fairly inaccurate and can easily be controlled
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