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    Quote Originally Posted by Falokis View Post
    Not being a smart ass, because I agree. What is think the best way to cut spending in your opinion? We can do everything we are doing, so what first in your opinion? While I hate the thought of closing down our bases, it is the logical first step to getting the budget under control.
    Closing bases isn't a first step imo. Are there bases that we can close? Certainly, but it shouldn't start there.Civilian-izing some sectors of the military, but not the way the Republicans did it, is a better first step. Look at the airforce for a good example, if I remember correctly the airforce is 1:1 for the civilian to military personnel ratio. The civilians get similar pay but half the benefits because the jobs they do isn't military in nature such as handling pay roll. Not only that, training doesn't cost even 1/2 as much. After that, then getting rid of duplicate jobs in the federal government, getting rid of useless government programs (what AlGore and Clinton were trying to do and did a little bit), etc.
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    Cut and trimming always works! That's what every politician says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vessol View Post
    My family growing up. I've lived out of a car before, back when I was 15. We never got food stamps, welfare, unemployment, no government help.
    I remember getting a job during high school just so I could get one free meal a night working there. On my days off I would go to a local church which would give me a meal usually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vessol View Post
    Cut and trimming always works! That's what every politician says.
    What does that have to do with anything? If you want to cut back on big government you start with the useless programs and nearly fraudulent/wasteful spending.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    What does that have to do with anything? If you want to cut back on big government you start with the useless programs and nearly fraudulent/wasteful spending.
    It has to do with everything. They cut and trim all they want, but it will do nothing. Because something will happen and they will just create new government spending.

    It's all useless rhetoric.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vessol View Post
    It has to do with everything. They cut and trim all they want, but it will do nothing. Because something will happen and they will just create new government spending.
    Only if the voting majority support that new spending. But there's no point in arguing with you becuase you believe that the government, the federal government anyways, can do nothing right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Only if the voting majority support that new spending. But there's no point in arguing with you becuase you believe that the government, the federal government anyways, can do nothing right.
    When does the majority not support new spending unless they know about it?

    Since when does anyone voting in any representative democracy actual READ what they vote on?

    Not to mention that Congress in the U.S is useless now with signing statements.
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    Sudan's already got it. Libertarians pirates ftw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kusghuul View Post
    Sudan's already got it. Libertarians pirates ftw.
    u mean Somalia?

    And yes. Somalia was just like the United States before its government collapsed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The First 09er View Post
    u mean Somalia?

    And yes. Somalia was just like the United States before its government collapsed.
    Ah, fuck yeah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The First 09er View Post
    And yes. Somalia was just like the United States before its government collapsed.
    I lol'd first, but then I realized that you probably aren't joking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloomrender View Post
    Does Libertarianism really have a chance of ever becoming powerful, in the US?

    I was thinking that with the Republican party in such shambles, it may. If the republicans keep going down in flames, maybe libertarians could rise out of the ashes of the Republican party and take over the right? Possible?
    Libertarianism is the anti-thesis to power, FACT: the Libertarian Party was started as an ironic joke.
    Then it was taken over by what are known as "partyarchs"( term coined by SEK3 in 1972 to denote "anarchists" who had rejected the State (head of the octopus) only to embrace its tentacle, a political party. )


    Other than that theres also many more deeper rooted issues in the system than just some sort of policy decisions, don't think of policy as magic rules set there by God but as creations of ours, you need to change the people and not the laws.
    Also IMO we're too short sighted to make the sort of informed decisions the free market needs to be stable, we'd be prioritizing short term profit at the expense of our and everyone elses future.
    Then again, you can ask if we should still be free to make those short sighted decisions. But that's just a moral and formal question. The real problem is that adopting any ism alone isn't going to morph the world into any utopia.

    And to answer your question: I think the idea of individual freedom and right of self-control has a chance but not the Libertarian Party and you will not see any openly libertarian thinkers in the White House and even if there were there ain't much they could do, The System is always bigger than the individual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dinkfall View Post
    The real problem is that adopting any ism alone isn't going to morph the world into any utopia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloomrender View Post
    Does Libertarianism really have a chance of ever becoming powerful, in the US?
    Libertarianism is just the new trendy catchphrase that far right-wing Republicans are using in order to attract a younger audience by sounding "edgy" and anti-establisment, as well as distance themselves from the failing GOP.

    Faux News is behind it, so I don't expect it to fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebrion View Post
    Libertarianism is just the new trendy catchphrase that far right-wing Republicans are using in order to attract a younger audience by sounding "edgy" and anti-establisment, as well as distance themselves from the failing GOP.

    Faux News is behind it, so I don't expect it to fail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    I said comes off as, not that he was. Anyways, there is a threshold which shouldn't be passed to maintain security,
    Why? What security? Force projection is all about invasion, not protection/security.

    Quote Originally Posted by dinkfall View Post
    Also IMO we're too short sighted to make the sort of informed decisions the free market needs to be stable, we'd be prioritizing short term profit at the expense of our and everyone elses future.
    You're not the first person to believe this here in FF. I still haven't seen any good evidence to support this theory. Perpetuation and sustainability are key components to business strategies. Any short-sightedness will result in lack of investors, lack of money, and a failed business.

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