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    Default Can something appear from nothing?

    I've recently discussed Bhuddism, karma, and the concept of Yin and Yang with some friends - and it made a lot of sense. There is always an opposite of everything, for non-existance, there is existance.

    If there is an empty void, there is a universe full of matter. When there is up, there is down etc etc.

    So based on that principal, would that explain how things exist without a creator?

    But then the question becomes, what created this law? And if it even existed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drift0ner View Post
    So based on that principal, would that explain how things exist without a creator?
    Our universe has always contained the building blocks to form stuff. Maybe before our universe existed there was nothing or maybe something different, but it is of no consequence as we live in this universe and no the universe is not fine tuned to us, we are fine tuned to the universe as the universe is older than us.
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    Your ramblings don't explain how the opposite of non-existence came to exist.

    "Because non-existence exists, existence must exist?" Really? Are you retarded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyborn View Post
    Your ramblings don't explain how the opposite of non-existence came to exist.

    "Because non-existence exists, existence must exist?" Really? Are you retarded?
    Non-existence as a concept exists, but something that is non-existent doesn't exist as it is non-existent.

    The OP doesn't understand the difference between a concept and a factual or spiritual opposite.
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    As someone with a half-assed, second hand, rudimentary understanding of physics, it makes me cringe when religious people conclude that the universe "came from nothing", or "everything is on accident". There are physical processes underlying the existence of the universe that explain everything from It's creation, everything that happens in it, and on to It's plausible eventual non-existence. There's nothing "out of nothing" or "accidental" about the universe. This is basically just ignorance of Science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drift0ner View Post
    I've recently discussed Bhuddism, karma, and the concept of Yin and Yang with some friends - and it made a lot of sense. There is always an opposite of everything, for non-existance, there is existance.

    If there is an empty void, there is a universe full of matter. When there is up, there is down etc etc.

    So based on that principal, would that explain how things exist without a creator?

    But then the question becomes, what created this law? And if it even existed?
    Quote Originally Posted by Sqarak View Post
    Our universe has always contained the building blocks to form stuff. Maybe before our universe existed there was nothing or maybe something different, but it is of no consequence as we live in this universe and no the universe is not fine tuned to us, we are fine tuned to the universe as the universe is older than us.
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    Your ramblings don't explain how the opposite of non-existence came to exist.

    "Because non-existence exists, existence must exist?" Really? Are you retarded?
    Quote Originally Posted by Sqarak View Post
    Non-existence as a concept exists, but something that is non-existent doesn't exist as it is non-existent.

    The OP doesn't understand the difference between a concept and a factual or spiritual opposite.
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    As someone with a half-assed, second hand, rudimentary understanding of physics, it makes me cringe when religious people conclude that the universe "came from nothing", or "everything is on accident". There are physical processes underlying the existence of the universe that explain everything from It's creation, everything that happens in it, and on to It's plausible eventual non-existence. There's nothing "out of nothing" or "accidental" about the universe. This is basically just ignorance of Science.
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    Our theology teacher in school aid that we shouldn't believe a stupid scientist that says that the universe was probably created after a big bang,because it is too stupid to believe that a big bang will create a universe...

    The irony is too strong in the above statement.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloomrender View Post
    As someone with a half-assed, second hand, rudimentary understanding of physics, it makes me cringe when religious people conclude that the universe "came from nothing", or "everything is on accident". There are physical processes underlying the existence of the universe that explain everything from It's creation, everything that happens in it, and on to It's plausible eventual non-existence. There's nothing "out of nothing" or "accidental" about the universe.
    What a wonderful combination of ignorance and blind faith in a man-made social-intellectual institution collectively known as "science".

    Becauz liek, empirical dataz conducterated inz a phisical univurse can toateleh disproove a metaphysical being, brah.

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    drop acid and ull see something appear from nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nate4449 View Post
    What a wonderful combination of ignorance and blind faith in a man-made social-intellectual institution collectively known as "science".

    Becauz liek, empirical dataz conducterated inz a phisical univurse can toateleh disproove a metaphysical being, brah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nate4449 View Post
    What a wonderful combination of ignorance and blind faith in a man-made social-intellectual institution collectively known as "science".

    Becauz liek, empirical dataz conducterated inz a phisical univurse can toateleh disproove a metaphysical being, brah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingpin View Post
    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by nate4449 View Post
    SHHH you! I'm going for 20+ pages of seething anit-religious hate!


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    Quote Originally Posted by nate4449 View Post
    What a wonderful combination of ignorance and blind faith in a man-made social-intellectual institution collectively known as "science".

    Becauz liek, empirical dataz conducterated inz a phisical univurse can toateleh disproove a metaphysical being, brah.
    As noted, an obvious lame troll attempt...I wasn't even talking about the existence or non-existence of "metaphysical beings"...

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    We need some new policies around here.

    1. If you want to talk about religion then you have to bump an old thread.
    2. Ban anyone who bumps old religious threads.


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