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    Default Do any other gun supporters feel this way?

    Honestly, I'm a fairly big gun supporter, and I firmly believe that not only should Americans have guns, but they should have more guns.

    However, doesn't anyone else believe that it's inappropriate to bring your guns solely as a political statement into close proximity with the president? Honestly, I see this as no different than trying to bring a loaded weapon into court, or into schools, for no other reason than to attract attention or intimidate.

    My gun protects my life, and my liberty. It's not a fashion symbol, it's not a political statement, and it's not an item of pride. Anyone that caries a fucking assault rifle to a debate has no intention on using it, let alone using it for what it is intended, and, quite frankly, brings shame on us all.

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    No. None of our rights should be abridged for any reason.

    How is bringing a gun "wrong"? Morally? Ethically? Logically?.............
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honorius View Post
    now deal with it.
    And that's precisely what I'm doing. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StainlessSteelRat View Post
    No. None of our rights should be abridged for any reason.

    How is bringing a gun "wrong"? Morally? Ethically? Logically?.............
    Even though you put the word wrong in quotes, while it was used no where in my post - the obvious answer to your question is logically. If you don't plan to use your gun, you shouldn't have it with you. Any rational gun supporter and patriot can tell you this. Take some time to actually read my post from start to finish if you want to understand why I say this.

    Put simply, if I have my gun with me, it's not to intimidate, and it's not to sensationalize. It's to kill. And, quite obviously, it's non-thinkers, who cry about their "right", who don't understand why they have that right to begin with, and what that right is for.

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    Imo i think it was definatly in poor taste but nothing id get too upset about
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebrion View Post
    Even though you put the word wrong in quotes, while it was used no where in my post - the obvious answer to your question is logically. If you don't plan to use your gun, you shouldn't have it with you. Any rational gun supporter and patriot can tell you this. Take some time to actually read my post from start to finish if you want to understand why I say this.

    Put simply, if I have my gun with me, it's not to intimidate, and it's not to sensationalize. It's to kill. And, quite obviously, it's non-thinkers, who cry about their "right", who don't understand why they have that right to begin with, and what that right is for.

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    If we lived in a society which didn't act the way towards guns, I would 100% agree with you. However, this case, the man argued the wrong case. If I EVER bring my gun anywhere, it's to protect myself or go to the range. It's not a fashion statement, but at the same time you won't know when you may or may not have to protect yourself. Therefore, he has every right to secure his person.


    Just because people flip the fuck out over the gun being there doesn't make it 'logically' wrong. Keep in mind, the president should have nothing to fear from it's citizenry that abides by the law. I would imagine MOST people who attempt anything would conceal their weapon.

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    Just to add a little bit:

    I strongly believe we will see legislation to the effect that it will be illegal to carry an unauthorized weapon within X feet in which the president exists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elemancer View Post
    Just to add a little bit:

    I strongly believe we will see legislation to the effect that it will be illegal to carry an unauthorized weapon within X feet in which the president exists.
    That would end up wonderfully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebrion View Post
    Even though you put the word wrong in quotes, while it was used no where in my post - the obvious answer to your question is logically. If you don't plan to use your gun, you shouldn't have it with you. Any rational gun supporter and patriot can tell you this. Take some time to actually read my post from start to finish if you want to understand why I say this.

    Put simply, if I have my gun with me, it's not to intimidate, and it's not to sensationalize. It's to kill. And, quite obviously, it's non-thinkers, who cry about their "right", who don't understand why they have that right to begin with, and what that right is for.

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    I was with you all the way till you said that (bold). You never know when you will be prompted to use your weapon. Always prepare the best you can for any situation. That's my motto. And one of the ways I prepare myself generally is to holster my weapons on my person, safely and securely, should I need to use them for ANY reason. If that offends you... well, no, I'm not sorry because that's your opinion. Now, when we get into assault rifles, shotguns, sniper rifles, explosives etc... obviously I can agree with you. Otherwise, I think you're really blowing the issue out of proportion. If someone wants to shoot the president... they'll either succeed or fail but it won't be because guns were allowed into wherever the president is. It's seriously not that hard to smuggle a gun near the president. Actually shooting him with said gun may be a bit harder... depending on who spots you first (say hello to snipers) if anyone at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Villageninja View Post
    I was with you all the way till you said that (bold). You never know when you will be prompted to use your weapon. Always prepare the best you can for any situation.
    Honestly, I completely agree with you here. But, let's face it ; the guys that bring their weapons to show off at these town hall meetings probably aren't prepared to use them, and don't anticipate a need to use them. They have them for the sole purpose of generating sensationalist attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebrion View Post
    Put simply, if I have my gun with me, it's not to intimidate, and it's not to sensationalize. It's to kill.
    So you don't take your guns out to the range?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebrion View Post
    However, doesn't anyone else believe that it's inappropriate to bring your guns solely as a political statement into close proximity with the president? Honestly, I see this as no different than trying to bring a loaded weapon into court, or into schools, for no other reason than to attract attention or intimidate.

    My gun protects my life, and my liberty. It's not a fashion symbol, it's not a political statement, and it's not an item of pride. Anyone that caries a fucking assault rifle to a debate has no intention on using it, let alone using it for what it is intended, and, quite frankly, brings shame on us all.

    There's a difference between your rights, and what's right.
    I believe legally and safely exhibiting firearms in such a political context is an exceptionally effective demonstration of constitutional rights. The reason there is vehement opposition is because it is an effective reminder that the power of the government is limited solely by its citizens, not by the rules that our government changes on a whim for its benefit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiroProtagonist View Post
    I believe legally and safely exhibiting firearms in such a political context is an exceptionally effective demonstration of constitutional rights. The reason there is vehement opposition is because it is an effective reminder that the power of the government is limited solely by its citizens, not by the rules that our government changes on a whim for its benefit.
    And to what end? Why are we reminding them of this, exactly? It's arbitrary intimidation, and nothing more, because some people can't seperate their rights from what's right, or their beliefs from the beliefs of their fellow man. While we may be in a situation that some find disagreeable, we are not in a situation that all find disagreeable ; nor are we in a situation of tyranny or opression, aside from that which we allow ourselves to suffer at the hands of corporations and bureaucracy, to say nothing of the government, both left and right, that are controlled by those facets of our society.

    Where were these gun toting self righteous people when Bush shat all over our liberty and our freedoms? Where were all of these thoughtless right-wing puppets when we were forced into "protest zones", and when we were monitered and arrested for merely showing dissent, let alone publicly threatening the life of the president?

    We live in a world of fools, sadly, and the bold men who had a vision for their America must be rolling in their graves right now.
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