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    I just can't not say something about this. I am not an Obamanite, but I am not unilaterally opposed to him either. However, the Democratic party campaigned on how they are going bring our military stateside. They were hypercritical of even being overseas, specifically Iraq.

    Now today I'm watching Face the Nation...and the Obama Administration (specifically in VP Biden's interview) is talking about how we will be engaging the enemy moreso than ever and Americans should expect a upswing in casualties.

    What a damn cop out.

    Everyone with a tactical and strategic minded brain could see Iraq was the next best strategic step in what will likely be a hundred year battle against Jihad, including many Democratic politicians. They used getting out of Iraq as a focal point of their campaigning, and now totally backstep, foot in mouth, preparing American's for more US casualties, spinning the situation beforehand so they don't lose support. (political support for the new administration, not the troops, just to be lear here)

    When these casualties increase, remember the hypocrisy.

    For the record I'm incredibly glad the Saddam regime is gone, but thoroughly disgusted Iraqis cant handle it from here on their own. I was ready to get our military out of there a while ago.
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    You think politicians are honest on the campaign trail?

    Srsly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caffy View Post
    You think politicians are honest on the campaign trail?

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    Why so serious?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caffy View Post
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    Ron Paul was. But he is no mere politician, he is jesus incarnate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaal View Post
    Why so serious?
    Because, I'm the God damn Batman.


    "You know, Dick, if I had my way, I'd meet Rommel face to face; him in his [Hover]tank and me in [my Hover tank]. We'd meet out there somewhere [in our Hover tanks]... salute each other, maybe drink a toast, then we'd button up [our Hover tanks] and do battle. " - Patton

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caffy View Post
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    It isnt about serious or not serious, its about putting a spin in advance to save face and being totally hypocritical.

    These jackasses were so hardcore about getting out of Iraq and "one omre US loss in Iraq is one too many", and now that they are privy to the information that only a few are privy to they see there is a legitimate reason for being there. THey have to spin the inevitible losses in advnance so they lose less supoprters.

    They should have just said " Look in light of the reality of the Iraq campaign, which we were not aware of before, we must fight the insurgency until Iraq is unified."

    Something like that. These people we've voted in and then been allowed to be appointed to positions of power, are not men at all. THey are typical backpedaling weenies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warhawk View Post
    It isnt about serious or not serious, its about putting a spin in advance to save face and being totally hypocritical.

    These jackasses were so hardcore about getting out of Iraq and "one omre US loss in Iraq is one too many", and now that they are privy to the information that only a few are privy to they see there is a legitimate reason for being there. THey have to spin the inevitible losses in advnance so they lose less supoprters.

    They should have just said " Look in light of the reality of the Iraq campaign, which we were not aware of before, we must fight the insurgency until Iraq is unified."

    Something like that. These people we've voted in and then been allowed to be appointed to positions of power, are not men at all. THey are typical backpedaling weenies.
    You think politicians are honest while in office?

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    "You know, Dick, if I had my way, I'd meet Rommel face to face; him in his [Hover]tank and me in [my Hover tank]. We'd meet out there somewhere [in our Hover tanks]... salute each other, maybe drink a toast, then we'd button up [our Hover tanks] and do battle. " - Patton

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    They are liars. You fell for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warhawk View Post
    These jackasses were so hardcore about getting out of Iraq and "one omre US loss in Iraq is one too many", and now that they are privy to the information that only a few are privy to they see there is a legitimate reason for being there. THey have to spin the inevitible losses in advnance so they lose less supoprters.
    I'm confused. Do you think there are legitimate reasons to continue the occupation of Iraq or not?

    If you do believe that, would you have rather the Obama administration stuck to their guns and refused to acknowledge the reality on the ground for the sake of campaign promises, potentially putting national security at risk? It doesn't seem rational to insist a person not change their mind even in light of new information that their original position was untenable.
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    I don't like Biden all that much. I've followed Obama from before his candidacy and I think he'll be one of the most-loved presidents we'll have, but if he's killed and Biden takes office I don't think we'd be in a very good situation.

    Biden's more Republican than Obama is, and I really don't think he'd go through with some of the things Obama would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warhawk View Post
    Democratic backpedaling

    I just can't not say something about this. I am not an Obamanite, but I am not unilaterally opposed to him either. However, the Democratic party campaigned on how they are going bring our military stateside. They were hypercritical of even being overseas, specifically Iraq.

    Now today I'm watching Face the Nation...and the Obama Administration (specifically in VP Biden's interview) is talking about how we will be engaging the enemy moreso than ever and Americans should expect a upswing in casualties.

    What a damn cop out.

    Everyone with a tactical and strategic minded brain could see Iraq was the next best strategic step in what will likely be a hundred year battle against Jihad, including many Democratic politicians. They used getting out of Iraq as a focal point of their campaigning, and now totally backstep, foot in mouth, preparing American's for more US casualties, spinning the situation beforehand so they don't lose support. (political support for the new administration, not the troops, just to be lear here)

    When these casualties increase, remember the hypocrisy.

    For the record I'm incredibly glad the Saddam regime is gone, but thoroughly disgusted Iraqis cant handle it from here on their own. I was ready to get our military out of there a while ago.
    I don't know whether to laugh at you for not seeing this coming or to feel sorry for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinusInnocence View Post
    I'm confused. Do you think there are legitimate reasons to continue the occupation of Iraq or not?

    If you do believe that, would you have rather the Obama administration stuck to their guns and refused to acknowledge the reality on the ground for the sake of campaign promises, potentially putting national security at risk? It doesn't seem rational to insist a person not change their mind even in light of new information that their original position was untenable.

    I would rather him just give the honest answer, simplified: "holy shit wow, we had no idea Iraq was actually this important. OK let's get the job done instead of bickering between parties"

    They just wont admit they underestimated the situation. There'd be nothing wrong at all in admitting it, as they arent in the loop of the most crucial data.




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    I don't know whether to laugh at you for not seeing this coming or to feel sorry for you.
    Dont do either, i didnt vote for these 2 and I saw the tip of it coming...I just didnt see it as the iceburg it looks like it may be.
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    lol democrats lying to get elected and then totally fucking up the country? YOU DONT SAY?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenman101 View Post
    lol democrats lying to get elected and then totally fucking up the country? YOU DONT SAY?!
    You mean like 2006 when they ran on the idea of the "most ethical congress ever", and promised to get spending under control?

    It would be funny, if it wasn't so sad.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Warhawk
    Everyone with a tactical and strategic minded brain could see Iraq was the next best strategic step in what will likely be a hundred year battle against Jihad, including many Democratic politicians.
    there's your fallacious postulate right there...

    Iraq meant nothing, didn't then and doesn't know...as far as actual strategic or tactical purposes..unless your goal is to invade Iran on the ground...

    other than that...it was a sheer waste of time, and a tremendous strategic blunder until AFTER Afghanistan/bin Laden were dealt with completely

    to even think otherwise demonstrates either a lack of functioning grey matter, or slavery to neocon ideology

    remove bin Laden and the jihadist's "Robin Hood" is gone

    but MUCH more important...you must capture/kill Mullah Omar, who claims to have the "cloak of Muhammed" (in their mythology equivalent to the "spear of Longinus", supposedly imbuing the wielder with invincibility)

    my understanding is that Iraq is not the focus any longer...but Afghanistan is, and that will be a tougher challenge due to Pakistan
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