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Rancid727
01-06-2009, 02:47
So any one here have one and if so lets here all about it.

I am shoping for a good game keyboard

G15 (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.photoshopsupport.com/photoshop-blog/07/07/ib/logitech-g15-keyboard.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.photoshopsupport.com/photoshop-blog/07/07/logitech-g15-keyboard.html&h=298&w=367&sz=23&tbnid=O-DQCRJA1hkusM::&tbnh=99&tbnw=122&prev=/images%3Fq%3DLogitech%2Bg15%2Bkeyboard&hl=en&usg=__7t1VR5wxf127oHsmc1YXmEap9eg=&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=4&ct=image&cd=1)

Barbarossa
01-06-2009, 03:19
I have one.

It's a keyboard.

/thread

Viluin
01-06-2009, 03:21
http://www.razerzone.com/p-87-razer-lycosa-gaming-keyboard.aspx

I'd prefer this over any other keyboard. Separate macro keys are crap, you'll hardly use them because they're out of reach. The Lycosa allows you to program macros for every key on the keyboard.

akrippler
01-06-2009, 03:22
10$ keyboards are epic.

Spinewire
01-06-2009, 03:22
http://www.razerzone.com/p-87-razer-lycosa-gaming-keyboard.aspx

I'd prefer this over any other keyboard. Separate macro keys are crap, you'll hardly use them because they're out of reach. The Lycosa allows you to program macros for every key on the keyboard.
this

Malhavok
01-06-2009, 03:25
10$ keyboards are epic.

No this.

Greyfang
01-06-2009, 03:25
i have one, and it's a great keyboard. i also use SirReal's plugin (http://unitstep.net/blog/2007/10/16/sirreals-g15-plugin-the-best-and-only-logitech-g15-sdk-applet-youll-ever-need/), which you might be interested in as well.

Spineless_DoO
01-06-2009, 03:27
So any one here have one and if so lets here all about it.

I am shoping for a good game keyboard

G15 (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.photoshopsupport.com/photoshop-blog/07/07/ib/logitech-g15-keyboard.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.photoshopsupport.com/photoshop-blog/07/07/logitech-g15-keyboard.html&h=298&w=367&sz=23&tbnid=O-DQCRJA1hkusM::&tbnh=99&tbnw=122&prev=/images%3Fq%3DLogitech%2Bg15%2Bkeyboard&hl=en&usg=__7t1VR5wxf127oHsmc1YXmEap9eg=&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=4&ct=image&cd=1)

It has lots of options yes. It feels pretty good when you get it yes. Problem is I destroy them in under 2 monthes. They are not all that sturdy.

Malhavok
01-06-2009, 03:29
It has lots of options yes. It feels pretty good when you get it yes. Problem is I destroy them in under 2 monthes. They are not all that sturdy.

They keyboard is not a dinner plate nor a DDR dance pad. Do not use as such.

Haeso
01-06-2009, 03:31
They keyboard is not a dinner plate nor a DDR dance pad. Do not use as such.

Well fuck, that explains a lot.

Barbarossa
01-06-2009, 03:34
this

It's not 'this' if you cannot spare any of those keys because a game utilizes all of them.

Take a game like SWG in it's original form. Practically every key was mapped to something in the game with the exception of the 'insert' key.

Razer keyboard would fail miserably in this type of scenario.

Not saying it's a bad keyboard but who wants to re-map every key for the sake of a couple of macros when a G15 gives you 18 extra keys X 3 via the switch buttons for a total of 54 possible macro keys that do not interface with the games keymap.

I know I don't want to spend my game time dicking with things of that nature.

Haeso
01-06-2009, 03:36
It's not 'this' if you cannot spare any of those keys because a game utilizes all of them.

Take a game like SWG in it's original form. Practically every key was mapped to something in the game with the exception of the 'insert' key.

Razer keyboard would fail miserably in this type of scenario.

Not saying it's a bad keyboard but who wants to re-map every key for the sake of a couple of macros when a G15 gives you 18 extra keys X 3 via the switch buttons for a total of 54 possible macro keys that do not interface with the games keymap.

I know I don't want to spend my game time dicking with things of that nature.

His tiny hands are inferior to ours and cannot reach the macro keys, forgive him.

Shrang
01-06-2009, 03:43
tbh i bought one... found that it was built unevenly so it slid and it felt generally weak like most logitech stuff does to me... so i returned.

Jathen
01-06-2009, 03:52
I just got a merc stealth. I really like the d-pad like thing on the left side. I gotta get used to typing on it though.

Tossball
01-06-2009, 03:52
Was considering buying one of these when I played WoW.

I just rolled a warlock instead and facerolled.

Friend has a G15, feels really shitty like the guy above me said. Get a cheapo one instead. Didn't they do a cheaper version without the tacky screen anyway?

rogginator
01-06-2009, 03:52
I have one, but it has 18 G keys and a flip up screen. the new ones look like they have fewer G keys and a crappier screen. Mine works great. A little expensive, but awesome for games that use lots of macros or to switch / use items.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126034

Synthetic
01-06-2009, 03:54
What I like about:
The Logitech® G15
- Keys Light Up
- Can loop macro's

What I disliked about it:
- It's fuckin huge! Doesn't leave any room for my mouse...
- Doesn't have hardware macro *macro is stored on your computer and can thus be blocked by game software

What I like about:
The Razer Tarantula
- Hardware Macro *great for games that disallow software macro's such as the G15
- Reprogrammable Keys
- Media controls on the right of the keyboard *use this all the time*
- Keystrokes are VERY quiet

What I disliked about it:
- Cannot Loop macro's *this was very frustrating and have yet to figure out if it's even possible or not on the Tarantula
- Keys didn't light up
- Limited macro function *something like max of 8 keystrokes per macro*

In the end, I use the Tarantula more simply because it's smaller and has good media control

Barbarossa
01-06-2009, 03:57
Was considering buying one of these when I played WoW.

I just rolled a warlock instead and facerolled.

Friend has a G15, feels really shitty like the guy above me said. Get a cheapo one instead. Didn't they do a cheaper version without the tacky screen anyway?


Who needs a primo keyboard to play a piece of shit like WoW anyways, when a 5 dollar walmart keyboard will do.

Vermino
01-06-2009, 03:59
you got to rock out the G15, but i also suggest getting a belkin N52Te (http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=3904 04) - These two things combined pretty much make you god in MMO's.

AoC(4th post) (http://www.n52te.com/community/index.php?showtopic=82&hl=conan) was child's play when i fully customized the N52te and G keys (no, i didnt marco off the swings HAHA)

Saben
01-06-2009, 04:00
So any one here have one and if so lets here all about it.

I am shoping for a good game keyboard

G15 (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.photoshopsupport.com/photoshop-blog/07/07/ib/logitech-g15-keyboard.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.photoshopsupport.com/photoshop-blog/07/07/logitech-g15-keyboard.html&h=298&w=367&sz=23&tbnid=O-DQCRJA1hkusM::&tbnh=99&tbnw=122&prev=/images%3Fq%3DLogitech%2Bg15%2Bkeyboard&hl=en&usg=__7t1VR5wxf127oHsmc1YXmEap9eg=&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=4&ct=image&cd=1)

I got a G15. Good solid keyboard. no complaints. O wait it doesnt do special things for me......

Nasty
01-06-2009, 04:00
http://www.razerzone.com/p-87-razer-lycosa-gaming-keyboard.aspx

I'd prefer this over any other keyboard. Separate macro keys are crap, you'll hardly use them because they're out of reach. The Lycosa allows you to program macros for every key on the keyboard.

Probably picking this up too. I love Razer products.

Tossball
01-06-2009, 04:02
Who needs a primo keyboard to play a piece of shit like WoW anyways, when a 5 dollar walmart keyboard will do.

Who the hell needs a primo keyboard apart from self-proclaimed Pro gamers?

5 dollar thing works just as good, even if it isn't wireless.

Shrang
01-06-2009, 04:04
Who the hell needs a primo keyboard apart from self-proclaimed Pro gamers?

5 dollar thing works just as good, even if it isn't wireless.

Wireless response time is crap.

Vermino
01-06-2009, 04:06
Wireless response time is crap.
agreed - also battery life comes at the worse time

Rancid727
01-06-2009, 04:07
Well i went for it the G15 sounds good for me!

I kind of like the Gkeys placment myself (long fingers)

And so long as DF dont go trying to block my macros it'll all be fine.

I'll be useing this with my G5 mouse as well was thanking of updateing to the G9 but i just dont see the need for that at this point and time

Tossball
01-06-2009, 04:08
Wireless response time is crap.

Wireless is more expensive so it has to be better right?

Proof that because it's more expensive, doesn't make it better.

Barbarossa
01-06-2009, 04:14
Who the hell needs a primo keyboard apart from self-proclaimed Pro gamers?

5 dollar thing works just as good, even if it isn't wireless.

I don't need it, I got it because I needed a new keyboard and happened to need one when this was on sale for 59.95 instead of the list price of 99.95.

But it has served me well as have all Logitech products I have purchased over the years.

KaneK89
01-06-2009, 04:14
I have one. Viluin is right, you hardly use the separate macro keys. But I'm still pleased with it. The back-lit keys make it easier to see, and the LCD screen is at least useful for changing music tracks, adjusting volume, and other things without alt-tabbing.

The only time I ever used the extra macro keys was on UO, and I only used 3 of them for sort of pre-fight buff spells.

Nevron
01-06-2009, 04:18
I use the Merc Stealth, solid keyboard.

Tossball
01-06-2009, 04:25
I don't need it, I got it because I needed a new keyboard and happened to need one when this was on sale for 59.95 instead of the list price of 99.95.

But it has served me well as have all Logitech products I have purchased over the years.

It felt a bit shit compared to the other Logitech stuff I've have/had. It might have been handy for Photoshop and 3DSMax though but I would have got the one without a screen for that.

Plus at the time I looked I wasn't having much luck with Logitech mice. Their wireless Laser mice seem develop nasty problems with the buttons. So I wasn't really keen on the idea of slashing out on a keyboard I felt might just develop a fault fairly soon.

Shrang
01-06-2009, 04:27
Plus at the time I looked I wasn't having much luck with Logitech mice. Their wireless Laser mice seem develop nasty problems with the buttons.

Personally i use a decent keyboard and crap mice.... corded microsoft or dynex tend to work ok.

Sharpshooter
01-06-2009, 04:29
I'm using a saitek cyborg keyboard right :

http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/cykeyv2.htm

A bunch of reviews I read had some problems with it but everything they described is either fixed or I got a good one since I have experienced no problems so far. Multi backlighting is epic in the dark :D

I just need a good mouse to match now since my G5 is getting a little old.

Tossball
01-06-2009, 04:36
Personally i use a decent keyboard and crap mice.... corded microsoft or dynex tend to work ok.

I've had 4 Lx710's now, the keyboard has been fine, just the mouse (LX7 or something) developed the same fault.

I've gone through another 3 MX620s with the same fault as the LX7s and thought I'd buy an expensive G7 but that was dead on arrival...

Gave up just and bought a cheap wired optical mouse. Keyboard still works.

Shrang
01-06-2009, 04:37
Gave up and bought a cheap wired mouse.

After trying various ranges of the logitech... they all broke within a month or so. Figured it wouldn't be much better with their best. So wired cheapies it is.

Aragoni
01-06-2009, 04:38
G15 is AWESOME! I remember having one but I spilled coke all over it once, destroying it >_<
It's also waaaay to big for the table I got right now.


I just need a good mouse to match now since my G5 is getting a little old.

Cyber Snipa Stinger (http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/cyber_snipa_stinger/)


After trying various ranges of the logitech... they all broke within a month or so. Figured it wouldn't be much better with their best. So wired cheapies it is.

What are you doing with your mouses? Bashing them with baseball bats? My Logitech mouses lasted 1 - 2 years and I play on average 3 - 4h a day.

Tossball
01-06-2009, 04:40
After trying various ranges of the logitech... they all broke within a month or so. Figured it wouldn't be much better with their best. So wired cheapies it is.

Yeah and the real kick in the balls is the damn thing has outlived them all put together

Vermino
01-06-2009, 04:46
After trying various ranges of the logitech... they all broke within a month or so. Figured it wouldn't be much better with their best. So wired cheapies it is.

ive been using a logitech trackball mouse (trackman wheel) (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/trackballs/devices/166&cl=us,en) since 2001 or so, have two now (one for the main rig and the other for the laptop). Never had it break down on me before (it's lost the insignia, the tabs on the bottom, and you have to clean the feelers every so often) but no breaking..

you know your not supposed to be doing Gentlemen fight club (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLRwTCz4dLQ) with them right? HAHA

Tossball
01-06-2009, 04:54
ive been using a logitech trackball mouse (trackman wheel) (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/trackballs/devices/166&cl=us,en) since 2001 or so, have two now (one for the main rig and the other for the laptop). Never had it break down on me before (it's lost the insignia, the tabs on the bottom, and you have to clean the feelers every so often) but no breaking..

you know your not supposed to be doing Gentlemen fight club (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLRwTCz4dLQ) with them right? HAHA

The fights wouldn't last long if we did it with Logitech ones.

Haeso
01-06-2009, 05:00
What is it with people and their mouse/keyboard dying so quickly, I've had both my keyboard and mouse last me longer than two rigs. Soon a third. Would be even longer if I hadn't lost my mouse when I moved.

Shrang
01-06-2009, 05:20
What is it with people and their mouse/keyboard dying so quickly, I've had both my keyboard and mouse last me longer than two rigs. Soon a third. Would be even longer if I hadn't lost my mouse when I moved.
The other piece of logitech gear that always craps out on me is headsets...
of the lightest variety i bought like 5 that died in a week or less.... i bought one middle heaviness one that lasted a weekend... and ive bought 2 heavy ones that actually work.. one lasted me a good year or two(still works but has some static issues and i think the mic is dead)... the other is brand new.

Globz
01-06-2009, 05:27
I love my G15 and I think its a really good keyboard.

Haeso
01-06-2009, 05:29
The other piece of logitech gear that always craps out on me is headsets...
of the lightest variety i bought like 5 that died in a week or less.... i bought one middle heaviness one that lasted a weekend... and ive bought 2 heavy ones that actually work.. one lasted me a good year or two(still works but has some static issues and i think the mic is dead)... the other is brand new.

Headsets take a lot of abuse compared to a keyboard or mouse, so that's understandable. They're not all that sturdy because if they were, they wouldn't be able to one size fits all, and that'd be terribly annoying.

bloodandsin
01-06-2009, 05:40
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Belkin n52e.

http://www.techpin.com/belkin-gaming-mouse/

This thing owns.

Vermino
01-06-2009, 05:52
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Belkin n52e.

http://www.techpin.com/belkin-gaming-mouse/

This thing owns.


you got to rock out the G15, but i also suggest getting a belkin N52Te (http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=3904 04) - These two things combined pretty much make you god in MMO's.

AoC(4th post) (http://www.n52te.com/community/index.php?showtopic=82&hl=conan) was child's play when i fully customized the N52te and G keys (no, i didnt marco off the swings HAHA)

you dont read all the way thru huh? haha


Headsets take a lot of abuse compared to a keyboard or mouse
agreed - the past headsets i've used usually get owned by my chair (the wires) even if i didnt roll over it, wrapping the wires up will destroy the longevity. i suggest going wireless this route, which i went for Plantronics Voyager 520 (http://www.plantronics.com/north_america/en_US/products/mobile/bluetooth-headsets/voyager-520) I've used it for about a year 1/2 now and it's been a great investment.

The range is awesome (i go to my fridge and still hear), battery life is about 18 hours talking on vent or TS and it's pretty light on the ear (it will irriate the first week of wearing but a headset is the same way first time you wear one)

I guess I try to have the best of the best (maxishine (http://www.youtube.com/user/maxishine) is the person I try to keep up with)

Odium
01-06-2009, 06:00
What I like about:
The Logitech® G15
- Keys Light Up
- Can loop macro's

What I disliked about it:
- It's fuckin huge! Doesn't leave any room for my mouse...
- Doesn't have hardware macro *macro is stored on your computer and can thus be blocked by game software

What I like about:
The Razer Tarantula
- Hardware Macro *great for games that disallow software macro's such as the G15
- Reprogrammable Keys
- Media controls on the right of the keyboard *use this all the time*
- Keystrokes are VERY quiet

What I disliked about it:
- Cannot Loop macro's *this was very frustrating and have yet to figure out if it's even possible or not on the Tarantula
- Keys didn't light up
- Limited macro function *something like max of 8 keystrokes per macro*

In the end, I use the Tarantula more simply because it's smaller and has good media control

I got the Tarantula for free when they first released it and love it. It's a great keyboard but I don't know if I'd actually be willing to pay for it.

Viluin
01-06-2009, 14:14
It's not 'this' if you cannot spare any of those keys because a game utilizes all of them.

Take a game like SWG in it's original form. Practically every key was mapped to something in the game with the exception of the 'insert' key.

Razer keyboard would fail miserably in this type of scenario.

Not saying it's a bad keyboard but who wants to re-map every key for the sake of a couple of macros when a G15 gives you 18 extra keys X 3 via the switch buttons for a total of 54 possible macro keys that do not interface with the games keymap.

I know I don't want to spend my game time dicking with things of that nature.

Yeah, god forbid you remap a key that's bound to a completely useless /sit command. You didn't need even close to all the keys on the keyboard for SWG.

The G15's macro keys are simply out of reach. Don't expect to be able to use them in combat in any game, let alone a relatively fast-paced game like Darkfall. Unless you have three hands, that is. One finger on the macro keys is one finger that's not near other relevant keys. And it may require the twisting of your hand, putting your thumb out of action too. I've tried the G15, in any fast paced game those macro keys are completely useless. I couldn't even justify using them for radio commands in Counter-Strike, selecting them manually was faster.

Indah
01-06-2009, 14:41
WASD is fail, because the easiest extra key to hit is the caps lock key.

Kossako
01-06-2009, 14:49
I have G15 and waiting for Darkfall radar plugin for it :P
Apart from that I love playing at dark and now I see all the keys. Macroing is also usefull sometimes.

Barbarossa
01-06-2009, 15:32
Yeah, god forbid you remap a key that's bound to a completely useless /sit command. You didn't need even close to all the keys on the keyboard for SWG.

The G15's macro keys are simply out of reach. Don't expect to be able to use them in combat in any game, let alone a relatively fast-paced game like Darkfall. Unless you have three hands, that is. One finger on the macro keys is one finger that's not near other relevant keys. And it may require the twisting of your hand, putting your thumb out of action too. I've tried the G15, in any fast paced game those macro keys are completely useless. I couldn't even justify using them for radio commands in Counter-Strike, selecting them manually was faster.


You know what, I've tried to be civil with you but I'm goddamned sick of your "I fucking know it all" attitude. No matter what anyone says, you have to get the last word in.

If your stubby little dwarf fingers can't reach over to some relatively easy keys to reach for most normal human beings that's your problem okay?!

Gotta have your stubbies on the AWD keys 24/7? Use movement thru the mouse like most fucking people do.

People that are as completely anal retentive as you should not be giving hardware advice...period.

Viluin
01-06-2009, 15:40
You know what, I've tried to be civil with you but I'm goddamned sick of your "I fucking know it all" attitude. No matter what anyone says, you have to get the last word in.

If your stubby little dwarf fingers can't reach over to some relatively easy keys to reach for most normal human beings that's your problem okay?!

Gotta have your stubbies on the AWD keys 24/7? Use movement thru the mouse like most fucking people do.

People that are as completely anal retentive as you should not be giving hardware advice...period.

Movement with the mouse? How? I don't know about you but I need all 7 of my mouse buttons for other things, and moving the mouse to walk in-game is just retarded. I should be giving hardware advice, because I don't resort to saying "BUY WAT I BOUGHT LOL" in every situation, unlike you and nearly everyone else on this forum (I hate people recommending outdated crap like an 8800GTS just because they have one, seriously fuck you). If I did then everyone would have some really crappy equipment.

Here's question for you, exactly what do you use the macro keys for huh?

Barbarossa
01-06-2009, 15:47
Movement with the mouse? How? I don't know about you but I need all 7 of my mouse buttons for other things, and moving the mouse to walk in-game is just retarded.

Here's question for you, exactly what do you use the macro keys for huh?

I use one to bring up a pic that is a stubby fingered computer nerd dwarf from the Netherlands that I think is you and use another to throw e-darts at it.

Here's a couple of questions for you instead:

The OP specifically asked about the G15, he didn't ask about the keyboard you listed. You stated you do not own a G15.

So why did you reply and why did you even have to plug a keyboard he didn't ask about?

Not everyone has the same needs as you do computer-wise or game-wise. Why don't you just come to realize that instead of trying to push your agenda on everyone because you think you are always 100% right?

Viluin
01-06-2009, 15:50
I use one to bring up a pic that is a stubby fingered computer nerd dwarf from the Netherlands that I think is you and use another to throw e-darts at it.

Here's a couple of questions for you instead:

The OP specifically asked about the G15, he didn't ask about the keyboard you listed. You stated you do not own a G15.

So why did you reply and why did you even have to plug a keyboard he didn't ask about?

Not everyone has the same needs as you do computer-wise or game-wise. Why don't you just come to realize that instead of trying to push your agenda on everyone because you think you are always 100% right?

I've used a G15, a G11 and a Saitek Gaming keyboard + macro pad (I own that one now). The macro keys for all of those boards were 100% useless in FPS games, RTS games and RPGs. I honestly have not found a single game where they do more good than bad. Hence why I would recommend a keyboard with 100% programmable buttons over a keyboard with separate macro buttons, because they can actually be useful. Buy a G15 and you will be wasting money, because without the macro keys it's just a fancy looking keyboard with no real benefits.

Now answer my god damn question, what do you use your macro keys for? I bet you don't use them at all. Just say so, that way I can laugh at you and you can leave this thread.

Aragoni
01-06-2009, 15:53
First off all... This is the most delivering thread about keyboards, ever! :lmao:


The G15's macro keys are simply out of reach. Don't expect to be able to use them in combat in any game, let alone a relatively fast-paced game like Darkfall. Unless you have three hands, that is. One finger on the macro keys is one finger that's not near other relevant keys. And it may require the twisting of your hand, putting your thumb out of action too. I've tried the G15, in any fast paced game those macro keys are completely useless. I couldn't even justify using them for radio commands in Counter-Strike, selecting them manually was faster.

When I had one I had no problems what so ever when using the G15's keyboard for macros. I used it in a relatively fast paced game (WoW - PvP).
Everything depends on the size of your hands, as mentioned earlier. If you have small hands then it's useless, but if you got bigger hands then it's not a problem. However, do keep in mind that I never used the macro-keys that were at the bottom, since that's too far even for me.

Viluin
01-06-2009, 15:54
First off all... This is the most delivering thread about keyboards, ever! :lmao:



When I had one I had no problems what so ever when using the G15's keyboard for macros. I used it in a relatively fast paced game (WoW - PvP).
Everything depends on the size of your hands, as mentioned earlier. If you have small hands then it's useless, but if you got bigger hands then it's not a problem. However, do keep in mind that I never used the macro-keys that were at the bottom, since that's too far even for me.

Lol, WoW PvP. That's not fast paced at all, it's one of the few real-time games where you can afford to move your left hand during combat.

I have big hands. It's not the size of my hands that's the problem, it's the lack of available fingers.

Spinewire
01-06-2009, 15:58
When I had one I had no problems what so ever when using the G15's keyboard for macros. I used it in a relatively fast paced game (WoW - PvP).

I would not see the point macroing them to the keys on the left as i had all movement on my mouse and had my entire keyboard at my right hands disposal.

Hoping i can do the same in DF, atho i'm guessing th FPS nature will ruin that setup.

Aragoni
01-06-2009, 15:59
Lol, WoW PvP. That's not fast paced at all, it's one of the few real-time games where you can afford to move your left hand.

I barely got enough time moving the left hand.


I have big hands. It's not the size of my hands that's the problem, it's the lack of available fingers.

Strange. Seeing as I don't have a problem using it.


I would not see the point macroing them to the keys on the left as i had all movement on my mouse and had my entire keyboard at my right hands disposal.

Hoping i can do the same in DF, atho i'm guessing th FPS nature will ruin that setup.

True.

Viluin
01-06-2009, 16:02
I barely got enough time moving the left hand.



Strange. Seeing as I don't have a problem using it.

My left hand has 5 fingers. I need 3 for perfect movement, one for ducking / sneaking / going prone / using, and one for switching weapons (Mousewheel sucks) / dropping weapons / leaning. And that's just in games with basic controls, many games require more actions.

Jumping, reloading and melee attacks are done with my mouse, as well as 2 macros. If I didn't have a gaming mouse my left hand would be even more occupied.

I can't afford to press any of the macro keys, they're too far away and I won't be able to do a few things while pressing them.

Barbarossa
01-06-2009, 16:07
Hence why I would recommend a keyboard with 100% programmable buttons over a keyboard with separate macro buttons, because they can actually be useful.

OP didn't ask you to recommend another keyboard. OP asked specifically about the G15.

You'll notice my answer was a simple "it's a keyboard" and I left it at that. I happen to like the keyboard, but was when you really find the bottom line, it's a just a keyboard.

But here come Viluin, he has to put in his usual "blah blah blah it sucks blah blah blah but you should buy this, because this is what I use".

Not everyone is you, my friend, and not everyone thinks like you. When you realize this you'll get along much better in life. Or you can continue to think you are right all the time.

Lastly, I don't have to answer shit, Viluin. No matter what my answer would be, it'll just make you think you are right regardless and I for one am no longer giving you reason to fap over your supposed 'superior PC component intellect'.

Viluin
01-06-2009, 16:13
OP didn't ask you to recommend another keyboard. OP asked specifically about the G15.

You'll notice my answer was a simple "it's a keyboard" and I left it at that. I happen to like the keyboard, but was when you really find the bottom line, it's a just a keyboard.

But here come Viluin, he has to put in his usual "blah blah blah it sucks blah blah blah but you should buy this, because this is what I use".

Not everyone is you, my friend, and not everyone thinks like you. When you realize this you'll get along much better in life. Or you can continue to think you are right all the time.

Lastly, I don't have to answer shit, Viluin. No matter what my answer would be, it'll just make you think you are right regardless and I for one am no longer giving you reason to fap over your supposed 'superior PC component intellect'.

I don't own a Lycosa nor have I ever used one. I do know the G15 and any other keyboard with separate macro keys is completely useless, which only leaves the Lycosa or a cheap simple keyboard.

Look, I already know you don't use your macro keys. That's okay, but just STFU about the subject already and deal with the fact that you spent $80 on a keyboard with useless features. I made the same mistake, and I'll let everyone know or people will keep making this mistake. The G15 is a very expensive fancy keyboard with backlighting and macro keys no one uses, I don't see how you could recommend it to anyone.

Every G15 owner is the same.. They all want the old version with 18 macro keys, but when you ask them what they use those keys for the answer is usually "nothing, really".

Spinewire
01-06-2009, 16:17
This is forumfall if you not forcing your opinion on other people then you are doing it wrong.

Tossball
01-06-2009, 16:33
I don't own a Lycosa nor have I ever used one. I do know the G15 and any other keyboard with separate macro keys is completely useless, which only leaves the Lycosa or a cheap simple keyboard.

Look, I already know you don't use your macro keys. That's okay, but just STFU about the subject already and deal with the fact that you spent $80 on a keyboard with useless features. I made the same mistake, and I'll let everyone know or people will keep making this mistake. The G15 is a very expensive fancy keyboard with backlighting and macro keys no one uses, I don't see how you could recommend it to anyone.

Every G15 owner is the same.. They all want the old version with 18 macro keys, but when you ask them what they use those keys for the answer is usually "nothing, really".

I've heard a lot of good things about the G keys for apps like Photoshop though.

Barbarossa
01-06-2009, 16:36
I don't own a Lycosa nor have I ever used one. I do know the G15 and any other keyboard with separate macro keys is completely useless, which only leaves the Lycosa or a cheap simple keyboard.

But yet you tell someone you don't even know to buy a Lycosa. Why in the hell would you recommend something you have no experience with whatsoever?


Look, I already know you don't use your macro keys.

You don't know shit, you're just assuming. Keep reaching, you might guess right.


That's okay, but just STFU about the subject already and deal with the fact that you spent $80 on a keyboard with useless features.

Sorry, I bought it on sale for 59.95, if you can l2read an entire thread you'd already know this.


The G15 is a very expensive fancy keyboard with backlighting and macro keys no one uses, I don't see how you could recommend it to anyone.

I didn't recommend it but you recommended a keyboard you don't even own and have no hands on experience with. That keyboard may or may not suck and once purchased, most places won't take back the merchandise just because 'you don't like it'. I'd be pissed if I took your advice at face value, bought a product and found it did not do all you said it would.

Then again, i'm intelligent enough to know not to listen to just one person's opinion of something and the consensus here seems to be leaning towards the G15, even though you'd prefer everyone was a little Viluin clone.

Viluin
01-06-2009, 18:33
But yet you tell someone you don't even know to buy a Lycosa. Why in the hell would you recommend something you have no experience with whatsoever?

Because all other options are bad. Besides, I may not own a Lycosa but I've done a fair bit of research on it. Like I said before, I would prefer that board over any other.




You don't know shit, you're just assuming. Keep reaching, you might guess right.



Sorry, I bought it on sale for 59.95, if you can l2read an entire thread you'd already know this.



I didn't recommend it but you recommended a keyboard you don't even own and have no hands on experience with. That keyboard may or may not suck and once purchased, most places won't take back the merchandise just because 'you don't like it'. I'd be pissed if I took your advice at face value, bought a product and found it did not do all you said it would.

Then again, i'm intelligent enough to know not to listen to just one person's opinion of something and the consensus here seems to be leaning towards the G15, even though you'd prefer everyone was a little Viluin clone.

Look, until you tell us what you use your macro keys for you have 0 credibility on this subject, so just stop trying already. You're giving everyone the impression that you really don't use your macro keys, and that you're just arguing for the sake of arguing right now. It's not helping your case.

The consensus seems to be leaning towards the G15, but if you read through this thread you'll see that 0 arguments were given for this standpoint. It's just a herd of people all saying the same thing for no real reason, probably due to the hype surrounding the G15.

fRdz
01-06-2009, 19:02
Have to agree - why the fuck would you buy a piece of crap raz0rz hardware (witch imo is the most overhyped fucking hardware producer in this solar system) when you can use free-fucking-ware to do exactly the same thing, to macro any key, witch also is its primary sale argument.

Viluin
01-06-2009, 19:18
Have to agree - why the fuck would you buy a piece of crap raz0rz hardware (witch imo is the most overhyped fucking hardware producer in this solar system) when you can use free-fucking-ware to do exactly the same thing, to macro any key, witch also is its primary sale argument.

Those programs don't work in games, only on your desktop. At least I never got AutoHotkey to work in any of my games. Many MMORPGs also block such scripts.

Haeso
01-06-2009, 19:21
Those programs don't work in games, only on your desktop. At least I never got AutoHotkey to work in any of my games. Many MMORPGs also block such scripts.

The fail is strong with you.

Viluin
01-06-2009, 19:25
The fail is strong with you.

Sure it is.

Temet nosce
01-06-2009, 19:27
Not a fan of the G15 myself, I prefer the G11 overall. The G15 is actually kinda annoying, what with that useless screen and all.

Naglfar87
01-06-2009, 19:28
I have the Razer Tarantula keyboard. It is pure win but not had much chance to test it online in MMORPGS yet :(

Malishan
01-06-2009, 19:42
It has lots of options yes. It feels pretty good when you get it yes. Problem is I destroy them in under 2 monthes. They are not all that sturdy.

I dunno what you do with yours, I beat the crap outta mine and it has lasted at least a couple years and still going strong. This despite the fact that I had to do a cheesy splice job on the cable because I ruined the plug by slamming it in a car door.

The old one is way better though, more keys, which I do use. If you want the extra fkeys (18 on old, only 6 on new) nowadays you have to get the g11, which has no lcd display. Dunno why they did that, but I'm not happy about it.

Malishan
01-06-2009, 19:44
Those programs don't work in games, only on your desktop. At least I never got AutoHotkey to work in any of my games. Many MMORPGs also block such scripts.

Ya you're definitely doing something wrong, I've not had an mmo yet that blocks my macro programs, and I've played most everything except the Korean grinders.

Nackl of Gilmed
01-06-2009, 19:45
I got a prtty good kyboard, xcpt th '' ky is brokn.

KaneK89
01-06-2009, 19:46
After trying various ranges of the logitech... they all broke within a month or so. Figured it wouldn't be much better with their best. So wired cheapies it is.

My G7 is now 2 years old. No problems with it ever.

Viluin
01-06-2009, 20:39
Ya you're definitely doing something wrong, I've not had an mmo yet that blocks my macro programs, and I've played most everything except the Korean grinders.

You can pretty much write an entire bot with AutoHotkey, it's not something you want to get caught using.



The old one is way better though, more keys, which I do use.

Exactly what do you use them for?

Sharpshooter
01-06-2009, 20:50
Best thing about the g15 keyboard is its usb 1.1 connectivity, o wait, thats a bad thing :O

I almost got that razer keyboard bought don't like their brand at all, my friend had a lot of problems with some of their products so I just got this saitek cyborg keyboard instead.

Requiamer
01-06-2009, 20:53
those are not very appropriate to use with your feet, i suggest this


http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2007/05/usb_foot_keyboard_the_foo.html

or this one, but its more expensive as you can't build it by yourself (with you feet naturally)

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/825084/feet_controled_computer_keyboard/

Greyfang
01-06-2009, 21:12
Not a fan of the G15 myself, I prefer the G11 overall. The G15 is actually kinda annoying, what with that useless screen and all.

um... http://www.overclock.net/computer-peripherals/177949-g15-lcd-program-archive.html, and i mentioned SirReal's plug-in (http://unitstep.net/blog/2007/10/16/sirreals-g15-plugin-the-best-and-only-logitech-g15-sdk-applet-youll-ever-need/) on page one.

you get out of it what you put into it.

Temet nosce
01-06-2009, 21:49
um... http://www.overclock.net/computer-peripherals/177949-g15-lcd-program-archive.html, and i mentioned SirReal's plug-in (http://unitstep.net/blog/2007/10/16/sirreals-g15-plugin-the-best-and-only-logitech-g15-sdk-applet-youll-ever-need/) on page one.

you get out of it what you put into it.

Yes, and this completely justifies the bother of using the screen anyways. Seriously.

Also, we're still on page 1.

Kraznor
02-24-2009, 21:18
You can pretty much write an entire bot with AutoHotkey, it's not something you want to get caught using.



Exactly what do you use them for?

Since noone else will answer you (and believe me, I understand why. Christ you never stfu and you're always right, at least in your mind), I will tell you some of the things I use my G15 for macro-wise.

1. Auto-donning/taking off of Armor. I set up a full bank (bank 0) with my armor, and push 1 button. Even with the new patch, I still don all my armor in under 7 seconds with 1 button pushed. That's a macro, made on my G15, and it's nearly enough to make the G15 worth it for DFO (I already had it).

2. Weapon select. Using macros allows me to set up weapons selections (I only use 4 atm). 2 hander, Staff (the macro here automatically puts on my casting robe when I cast spells for maximum efficiency), sword & board and bow. AND it automatically puts me in the bank I want to see. Like if I'm casting spells, it stays on bank 2 where my spells are.

3. harvesting. If you don't want to macro harvesting, well, you're just a sado-masochist (one that likes to inflict pain upon oneself).


So you see, 3 reasons are more than enough to tell a fucking retarded troll that they're wrong, and the G15 is NOT useless for this game.

Hey, Viluin, you're WRONG. Suck it. :ohno:

Viluin
02-24-2009, 21:29
Since noone else will answer you (and believe me, I understand why. Christ you never stfu and you're always right, at least in your mind), I will tell you some of the things I use my G15 for macro-wise.

1. Auto-donning/taking off of Armor. I set up a full bank (bank 0) with my armor, and push 1 button. Even with the new patch, I still don all my armor in under 7 seconds with 1 button pushed. That's a macro, made on my G15, and it's nearly enough to make the G15 worth it for DFO (I already had it).

2. Weapon select. Using macros allows me to set up weapons selections (I only use 4 atm). 2 hander, Staff (the macro here automatically puts on my casting robe when I cast spells for maximum efficiency), sword & board and bow. AND it automatically puts me in the bank I want to see. Like if I'm casting spells, it stays on bank 2 where my spells are.

3. harvesting. If you don't want to macro harvesting, well, you're just a sado-masochist (one that likes to inflict pain upon oneself).


So you see, 3 reasons are more than enough to tell a fucking retarded troll that they're wrong, and the G15 is NOT useless for this game.

Hey, Viluin, you're WRONG. Suck it. :ohno:

I can do all of those things with AutoHotkey. And it's free. And it doesn't require me to press macro buttons that are out of my reach.

Ankh
02-24-2009, 21:41
I can do all of those things with AutoHotkey. And it's free. And it doesn't require me to press macro buttons that are out of my reach.

This.

Achromic
02-24-2009, 21:48
You know having the G11 myself. I hardly use the M-keys, I do gotta agree a bit with Villuin on the reaching and use of it.

It's just he does make a point that the M-keys are not optimized for constant use. They are out of your way and it seems like a regular keyboard with 18 plus 3x cloned buttons. I guess it's also my fault a bit since I'm not so hands on with keyboards, since I tend to use only my index and middle fingers mostly when typing, never developed that ambidextrous flexibility of using all your fingers at once.

I guess that's why X-keys are somewhat popular with macro'ers. It's a blank keyboard with an ability to set up anything you want. So in a way even though it's an out of the way object the fact is the keys are meant to be used.

Don't get me wrong I do like the G11 it feels nice. Although it does get a bit dirty. Still I payed for it and I try and make the best of it.