Ron Paul comments on Israel's invasion of Gaza.

[Eyrothath]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08gTWqWrI4M

[Lord Belphegor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08gTWqWrI4M

palo god, WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?

Clearly your man, who's mine as well, supports my opinion of this bullshit. What do you have to say now? I'm very curious.

Thanks for a good video by the way.

[Eyrothath]

palo god, WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?

Clearly your man, who's mine as well, supports my opinion of this bullshit. What do you have to say now? I'm very curious.

Thanks for a good video by the way.

Under the Geneva Convention, Israel can attack Gaza all they want to, but Ron Paul is right, we need to not get involved, it is their business, not ours.

[Lord Belphegor]

Under the Geneva Convention, Israel can attack Gaza all they want to, but Ron Paul is right, we need to not get involved...

Under the Geneva Convention and UN, Israel has no right to exist, but Ron Paul is right, we need to not get involved. Yet we are, the billions upon billions dollars of aid to Israel point otherwise.

[Eyrothath]

Under the Geneva Convention, Israel had no right to exist in the first place, but Ron Paul is right, we need to not get involved.

Someone needs to bring back the Kingdom of Jerusalem in my opinion..

[Lord Belphegor]

Someone needs to bring back the Kingdom of Jerusalem in my opinion..

Should we bring back Babylon as well? Maybe Aztec and Mayan Empires? How about Vikings? What about Roman Empire? Shit, maybe even Mesopotamia? You know what, I want Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth back!

[Eyrothath]

Should we bring back Babylon as well? Maybe Aztec and Mayan Empires? How about Vikings? What about Roman Empire? Shit, maybe even Mesopotamia? You know what, I want back Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth back!

Hell yes they should, everyone needs to stop being shitbags and build their empires again and start trying to conquer the hell out of each other.... You know, like a modern day Age of Empires... :D

This is the only way to restore order..

[Blixa]

How can you say the people there are living like in concentration camps but at the same time "we" should not get involved? If noone gets involved, the people there will obviously continue to live like on concentration camps which can't really be what you want.

But the problem really is that you, the US, are supporting israel(no, this does not make me a nazi, but saying "people are living like in concentration camps" and "we should stay out of this" probably would)'s military as much as you do. That's what creates the situation of one side beeing that much stronger than the other. If the Iran supports Palestina, that's of course horrible, but if you support Israel, that's all right.

Instead of acting over third persons (countries in this case), get your troups in there to stop both sides from killing each other. This would really be something worth fighting, at least alot more worth fighting than your oils is.

It's really sad how the biggest news yesterday in the war were not the over 500 dead palestinians, alot of them children, most of them civilians, but the one dead israel soldier... who cares about that soldier compared to little children getting shot by a military claiming to want to "de-escalate" the situation?

The children's famalies obviously want even more revenge and after the strike, the situation will therefore be even worse. You, the US, are supporting this. We, Germany and the EU and the UN, are ignoring this which is even more pathetic.

[SSguy]

I call bullshit on the premptive war crap. They've been shooting rockets into Israel for god knows how long.

[Synika]

I call bullshit on the premptive war crap. They've been shooting rockets into Israel for god knows how long.

And what have Israel done to provoke that mate.

There are always two sides to the story.

[lafayette]

Cut off all aid to Israel, as well as the rest of the middle east IMO.

Not our fucking problem.


/sarcasm
Then Obama can use that extra money for more phat stimulus checkz!

[Synika]

Cut off all aid to Israel, as well as the rest of the middle east IMO.

Not our fucking problem.


/sarcasm
Then Obama can use that extra money for more phat stimulus checkz!

Not gonna happen - The US loves Israel as its keeps the Middle East destabilised.

[hardboiled]

Dear Leader Comrade Genralissimo Congressman Ron Paul speaks and Forumfall takes a 180 degree turn.

[Synika]

Dear Leader Comrade Genralissimo Congressman Ron Paul speaks and Forumfall takes a 180 degree turn.

Hardly, I've been on the Palestinian peoples side since I actually became politically aware.

[chodie4u]

They have been fighting for millenia, nothing we do will curb their mutual hatred.
It is not our job to police the world, yet we feel the need to try. This situation is best left to itself.

[SSguy]

And what have Israel done to provoke that mate.

There are always two sides to the story.

Turn a wasteland into profit?

Jews have been persecuted everwhere, (although some of its deserved).

Feel free to provide the other side, muslim fanatics are no better than the KKK.

[hardboiled]

Ah ah, I just couldn't take that video seriously. Not because of what he says but the whole internet thing surrounding him. That video just remind me of some Command & Conquer mission briefing.
RON PAUL LIVES! FOR THE BROTHERHOOD!

[Synika]

They have been fighting for millenia, nothing we do will curb their mutual hatred.
It is not our job to police the world, yet we feel the need to try. This situation is best left to itself.

When you say that, you mean its still ok for you guys to keep giving them weapons though?

[Synika]

Turn a wasteland into profit?

Jews have been persecuted everwhere, (although some of its deserved).

Feel free to provide the other side, muslim fanatics are no better than the KKK.

Zionist are no better than muslim fanatics.

I was asking you what the other sides arguement was. I'm interested to know whether you even know it.

[Grimness]

an interesting take on the US support for Israel is the idea that christian fanatics in the US want the rapture to happen as soon as possible.

[Synika]

an interesting take on the US support for Israel is the idea that christian fanatics in the US want the rapture to happen as soon as possible.

Ok that made me shiver.

[Grizzler]

It was the UK and US who initially approved the foundation of the Israel state back then after WWII, which has to be the worst mistake ever.

They approved of a different religious community just plain occupying and claiming other religious land. Now if that ain't begging for problems you can call me santa.

And still they're backing up Isreal however Israel tends to be the fucking retarded pain in the ass for the palestinians. Those natives just got kicked out, locked out of basic needs such as water, food, electricity and furthermore and then they are surprised they are not taking this bullshit?
Of course they're firing missiles, would you let anyone come into your house and drain all your life sources and be happy to step aside for them? I don't think so.

This problem is plain sick and I don't see any immediate peaceful solution since the palestinians still are as determined to get back there as the jews are determined to stay there.

Fucked up shit, thx UK & US, you're the best.


Edit: PS: Because of this, here, in Belgium, in Antwerp and Brussels, there have been rioting and attempts to set jewish houses on fire by muslims hordes.

Tbh, screw those fucktards and send em back to where they come from (I doubt it's Gaza, but I hope it is so they can feel the war instead of leeching our system while disrespecting it)

[Grimness]

Ok that made me shiver.

considering that the right wing evangelicals have basically highjacked the republican party, this makes it a very viable idea in my opinion.

[gtechie]

Dr. Paul's been talking about this shit since the late '70's. Forty fucking years, and nothing changes in Washington DC. Check out his old Congressional speeches, found in his bookA Foreign Policy of Freedom (http://ronpaulforeignpolicy.com/) for proof.

This video is him speaking the truth, from the heart -- it's what all Americans need to hear (without the "this guy's a kook!" hoopla surrounding it).

[SSguy]

Zionist are no better than muslim fanatics.


No shit sherlock.


I was asking you what the other sides arguement was. I'm interested to know whether you even know it.

Is there ever an "other" side of an argument for genocide?

[bluthorn]

Civilians dying in a warzone, NO WAIZ!

[Synika]

No shit sherlock.



Is there ever an "other" side of an argument for genocide?

Sorry whos committing genocide?

[LordTenacious]

Ah ah, I just couldn't take that video seriously. Not because of what he says but the whole internet thing surrounding him. That video just remind me of some Command & Conquer mission briefing.
RON PAUL LIVES! FOR THE BROTHERHOOD!


We're fucked if CABAL shows up.

[SSguy]

Sorry whos committing genocide?

Nice failure of reading comphrension.

I did not say they were comitting genocide, I'm sure they were like to but Israel is actually capable of fighting back. but their argument is pretty much that. Genocide.

Its sad I have to actually explain that. Figures...last minute 08er.

[Greywind]

I just want to pint out on a few facts....
Israel did all they could to break circle of violence.
They start peace talk with PLO when it was at lowest. They lost sugar daddy soviet union, they bet on wrong horse (Saddam). Make no mistake it was one way street Israel actually get nothing in return for this gesture of good will.
Israel agreed on 93-96% of Arafat demands according Clinton.
Israel did not answer on each attack letting it go unanswered for same times. Israel pull out of Gaza and WB unilaterally. Again gesture of good will and what? BTW when Israeli pull out of Gaza they left wealth of green houses, building and orchids intact. All vandalized, robed destroyed.

Name me anything Hamaz done for peace?

[Synika]

Nice failure of reading comphrension.

I did not say they were comitting genocide, I'm sure they were like to but Israel is actually capable of fighting back. but their argument is pretty much that. Genocide.

Its sad I have to actually explain that. Figures...last minute 08er.

Wait so now my join date equates to my intelligence, and political standing.

Btw what does SS mean in your name?

Anyway your responses are terrible, you don't even try and prove your points and they tend to be limited to one liners.

In which case I'll argue back as a one liner:

Israel occupy Palestine and have oppressed a nation.

[LordTenacious]

Palestine is a nation?

Or were they small chunks of land Israel occupied after they were invaded and which they have offered to give back to their former owners if concessions were made?

[SSguy]

Wait so now my join date equates to my intelligence, and political standing.


Seems to be a virus going around here....the innoculation is a earlier join date....I didn't want to think it was true, but you 08ers and 09ers seem prove it on a daily basis. Not ot say in the past we didn't have our village idiots, but you guys take the cake.

You can't understand the muslim fanatical hatred for Israel, nor have any knowledge of the god damn subject.

You are like that lord retard in the smoking thread trying to tell me we don't know what the fuck cancer is.....I mean, holy shit coming to these forums feels like getting a labatomy.


Btw what does SS mean in your name?


Accidentally double capital at the start of a word. People who don't type like a fucking snail with one finger at a time tend to do it.

OH NO WAIT IM A SEKRET NAZI MAN!!!!!! DEFENDING THE JEWS ATTACK ON MUSLIMS!!! MAKES TOTAL SENSE.


Anyway your responses are terrible, you don't even try and prove your points and they tend to be limited to one liners.


You are asking me to prove muslim hatred for Israel.....You are trying to tell me theres some sort of justification of shooting missiles into civilian area with the sole intent to kill Israeli's, regardless of civilian status.....What the fuck is there to prove? Your stupidity?


Israel occupy Palestine and have oppressed a nation.

Um......Israel and Palestine are two different places. Isreal did not have troops there until they decided to stop bending over. For fucks sake they even gave up Gaza.

What the hell do they do to oppress muslims? Thats gotta be the dumbest thing you can do when SURROUNDED by muslim nations.

Are they not standing in front of oncoming missiles from Gaza enough? Is that oppressing muslims??

[Ziegler]

Look...Israel signed a cease fire agreement with Gaza/Hamas..hardly a single day passed since it's signing, has there been a day that rockets werent launched into israel...indiscriminately I might add...

Then you have Hamas putting their launchers on top of hospitals and schools and apartment buildings, so that when military targets are hit, there is no choice but for civilian casualities. It isnt the fault of the israelies that hamas are cowards and hide behind the skirts of women and kids.

[chodie4u]

When you say that, you mean its still ok for you guys to keep giving them weapons though?

No, quite the contrary. It's not my decision, but if it were they would get a short speech on sovereignty and a warning to not let the door hit their asses on the way out.

[SSguy]

Look...Israel signed a cease fire agreement with Gaza/Hamas..hardly a single day passed since it's signing, has there been a day that rockets werent launched into israel...indiscriminately I might add...

Then you have Hamas putting their launchers on top of hospitals and schools and apartment buildings, so that when military targets are hit, there is no choice but for civilian casualities. It isnt the fault of the israelies that hamas are cowards and hide behind the skirts of women and kids.

OMFG, mb their side of the story is that they dont have enoug hwomen and children to hide behind because of the civilian casualties!!!!!! so they have to destroy israel!!!!!!!

[stalwart]

hrm, i agree completely with RP.

[Erroneous]

Thanks for posting this I was going to post a similar letter from Ron paul the other day, when I was trying to prove how stupid supporting Israel is if you are truly libertarian minded. You can't really have a debate about Israel though since 99% of people who care enough to educate themselves on the issue are biased from the start, and the rest of the people just kind of shrug and say whatever.

It makes a lot more sense to argue whether or not the US should stick our nose in this fight, but people keep focusing on which side is right and which is wrong.

[DR.NUMBERS]

hrm, i agree completely with RP.

Indeed, I usually do too. However, the Israel = pre-emptive war thing doesn't quite sit right with me. I wouldn't call it pre-emptive when some jerk is launching rockets at my back yard.

I agree with everything else he says though.

[tallefred]

I do not follow Ron Paul, I follow V.

However, I do agree with him that America should not be involved in this conflict. It's none of our business. The ME is a fucked up place and will continue to be until all these militant groups are gone. Let Israel loose and they'll the fix the place in a month.

[The Cougar]

How can you say the people there are living like in concentration camps but at the same time "we" should not get involved? If noone gets involved, the people there will obviously continue to live like on concentration camps which can't really be what you want.
Or we could adopt the "I don't care" attitude. It's not like this clusterfuck of a conflict has anything to do with the rest of the world anymore. Neither part is right and there is no easy way out. Lets try to stop complicating matters with blame gaming and biased support of one side, work on dialogue between Israel and Palestine, give humanitarian aid to the civilians caught up in the mess and otherwise stay the fuck out.


Instead of acting over third persons (countries in this case), get your troups in there to stop both sides from killing each other. This would really be something worth fighting, at least alot more worth fighting than your oils is.
Yeah, lets fuck up the matter even more by adding a third party to the conflict! And when Hamas undiscriminatingly kills off American and Israeli troops, then what? Retaliate like the Israelis would? Prevent Israel from retaliating?


It's really sad how the biggest news yesterday in the war were not the over 500 dead palestinians, alot of them children, most of them civilians, but the one dead israel soldier... who cares about that soldier compared to little children getting shot by a military claiming to want to "de-escalate" the situation?
Now you're just making up stuff. Only 25% of the people killed are civilians, which is fucking amazing considering that Hamas is firing from the insides of the civilians pockets and strapping children to their rocket stands.


The children's famalies obviously want even more revenge and after the strike, the situation will therefore be even worse. You, the US, are supporting this. We, Germany and the EU and the UN, are ignoring this which is even more pathetic.
So that means we should just stop retaliating at any hostility so we can avoid the families being hurt? You can't just stop retaliating when the opponent is using civilian shields, that just means they will use it in the future as well.

[Kusghuul]

Jews learnt from the übermensch. Now they know all about lebensraum tactics, blitzkrieg and KZ camps!

[Kusghuul]

Let Israel loose and they'll the fix the place in a month.

Oh, that'd be amusing. A few million israelis vs hundreds of millions of pissed off Muslims.

[Vessol]

Ron Paul is great and all, but people need to stop riding his old dick.

None-the-less, I agree with him.

[Jezrith]

Ron Paul is great and all, but people need to stop riding his old dick.

None-the-less, I agree with him.

So you are riding his dick too? I don't get it...

[Vessol]

So you are riding his dick too? I don't get it...

No, I agree with him, but people pretty much worship him and think his opinion is fact.

Like I said, Ron Paul is great and all, but it's kind of crazy how people hold him so high so often.

[Jezrith]

No, I agree with him, but people pretty much worship him and think his opinion is fact.

Like I said, Ron Paul is great and all, but it's kind of crazy how people hold him so high so often.

So when you agree with Ron Paul you are just agreeing with him, but when other people agree with him they are worshiping him and riding his dick. Ok, Gotcha!

[tarsus]

Oh, that'd be amusing. A few million highly organized and disciplined Israelis in one tiny ass strip of land vs hundreds of millions of pissed off unorganized fanatic Muslims spread out all over Asia minor.

Fixt for history's sake. Also, until Islamic states stop hating each other, they'll never be able to even slow down Israel.

[tallefred]

Oh, that'd be amusing. A few million israelis vs hundreds of millions of pissed off Muslims.

One of the most highly trained armies in the world versus a bunch of retards with rocks and unguided missiles sans body armor. Would be fun to watch.

Here's an analogy for you: 1 guy in a helicopter with a minigun versus a kindergarten.

[Vessol]

So when you agree with Ron Paul you are just agreeing with him, but when other people agree with him they are worshiping him and riding his dick. Ok, Gotcha!

If my opinion is the same as his, it means nothing, just a coincidence that they are shared. I've already many differing views of his. He is practically the God of Libertarians though.

[Jezrith]

If my opinion is the same as his, it means nothing, just a coincidence that they are shared. I've already many differing views of his. He is practically the God of Libertarians though.

Ok, so basically like I said...

[SSguy]

Oh, that'd be amusing. A few million israelis vs hundreds of millions of pissed off Muslims.

They've done it before.

[Vessol]

Ok, so basically like I said...

Not really. Other peoples can have similar agreements with him. But as I said, Libertarians practically worship him and adhere to his every belief.

[Jezrith]

Not really. Other peoples can have similar agreements with him. But as I said, Libertarians practically worship him and adhere to his every belief.

It couldn't be because Libertarians have a lot of similar agreements with him. :eek: No, it must just be the fact they worship him! You are basically stating that you can agree with him, but Libertarian can only worship him. So yet again, like I said...

[Villa]

Why oh why didn't they vote Ron Paul as President?
That would have required a degree of intelligence I guess; something the knee jerking blind-sheep average Republican voter is lacking I suppose.

[Vessol]

Why oh why didn't they vote Ron Paul as President?
That would have required a degree of intelligence I guess; something the knee jerking blind-sheep average Republican voter is lacking I suppose.

Because Congress would disagree with him on everything and nothing would ever get done?

Sorry, Executive power is not sole power.

It couldn't be because Libertarians have a lot of similar agreements with him. :eek: No, it must just be the fact they worship him! You are basically stating that you can agree with him, but Libertarian can only worship him. So yet again, like I said...

Sorry, I'm a libertarian as well. Keep trying to play the "u stoopid unlogical elitist!" card.

[Jezrith]

Why oh why didn't they vote Ron Paul as President?
That would have required a degree of intelligence I guess; something the knee jerking blind-sheep average Republican voter is lacking I suppose.

A lot of Republicans are wishing they would have now...

[Jezrith]

Sorry, I'm a libertarian as well. Keep trying to play the "u stoopid unlogical elitist!" card.

Oh so we are back to only you (or only people similar to you) can agree with him, while others can only worship him. Either way you want, you still end up at the point.

[Vessol]

Oh so we are back to only you can agree with him, while others can only worship him. Either way you want, you still end up at the point.



-->Keep trying to play the "u stoopid unlogical elitist!" card.

[Erroneous]

Because Congress would disagree with him on everything and nothing would ever get done?


That's kind of the point right. Paul could also appoint a bunch of secretaries that wouldn't do anything, it would have been marvelous.

[Jezrith]

-->

Since you can't argue against it, looks like my point stands.

[Nevron]

He is practically the God of Libertarians though.

I disagree, there were plenty of libertarians that came out against him. Some consider him a fake libertarian. His internet fad status propelled him to be the face of libertarians, but that doesn't make him the "God of Libertarians". I agreed with a lot of his stances, but as with any politician, taking him at face value is a mistake.

[Vessol]

Since you can't argue against it, looks like my point stands.

Aren't you clever.

[Jezrith]

Aren't you clever.

Are you coming on to me?

[Silverhandorder]

Vessol what do you disagree with him on?

[Vessol]

Vessol what do you disagree with him on?

Nothing. He disagrees with me saying that there are people out there who don't know about about Libertarianism who pretty much agree with whatever Ron Paul says.

Edit: Or disagree with Ron Paul? I disagree with him about abortion(he is pro-life). I also disagree with complete withdrawal from organizations like the UN. While we should adopt a non-interventionist foreign policy, we should not totally withdraw ourselves. I'm also against the legalization of all illicit drugs(too much regulation needed), rather I'm for the decriminalization and putting money wasted on prisons and enforcement into treatment center instead.

[Silverhandorder]

Nothing. He disagrees with me saying that there are people out there who don't know about about Libertarianism who pretty much agree with whatever Ron Paul says.

Edit: Or disagree with Ron Paul? I disagree with him about abortion(he is pro-life). I also disagree with complete withdrawal from organizations like the UN. While we should adopt a non-interventionist foreign policy, we should not totally withdraw ourselves. I'm also against the legalization of all illicit drugs(too much regulation needed), rather I'm for the decriminalization and putting money wasted on prisons and enforcement into treatment center instead.
Dude those are non issues. At least for me, maybe it's like this for many other people who "worship" him.

The solutions you proposed are different flavor from his. They are still very similar. To call others worshipers when you don't really have any disagreements with him either is kinda funny.

[Vessol]

Dude those are non issues. At least for me, maybe it's like this for many other people who "worship" him.

The solutions you proposed are different flavor from his. They are still very similar. To call others worshipers when you don't really have any disagreements with him either is kinda funny.

You disagree that there are people out there who followed him blindly, barely knowing what Libertarianism is, yet going along with it because it was "cool and trendy" and because "no income tax dudez!"?

I met plenty of morons like that at my local dorms, "Ron Paul rawks dude! He wants to get rid of taxes! Rock on!"

[Silverhandorder]

You disagree that there are people out there who followed him blindly, barely knowing what Libertarianism is, yet going along with it because it was "cool and trendy" and because "no income tax dudez!"?

I met plenty of morons like that at my local dorms, "Ron Paul rawks dude! He wants to get rid of taxes! Rock on!"

True but every political movement has that.

[Vessol]

True but every political movement has that.

Of course. That was the point I was trying to make.

[Jezrith]

True but every political movement has that.

That's more indicative of college students than it is political movements...