A New Cigarette Hazard - ‘Third-Hand Smoke’

[Erratic]

Yeah so um simply put: Make smokers stay outside and away from places a non-smoker might ever go...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/03/health/research/03smoke.html?_r=1&em

Take that smokers!

[chodie4u]

Holy fuck everyone keep your children in plastic bubbles!

[Niles]

Fourth-hand Smoking: You have looked at a cigarette.

[Ssly]

now when smokers go into restaurants they have to change their clothes first. If they're hot, this should happen out in public.

[IthroZada]

Next time I smell smoke on a guy, I think I'll punch him for attempting to kill me

[Tzacharu]

Perhaps this will be the next big step in suicide tactics for terrorists.

[Apex Vertigo]

Lol, this is awesome.

[Spades Felligan]

Round up all the smokers and send them to concentration camps, it's about time that we come up with a final solution to this problem.

[Duffren]

This is just getting silly now.

[Erratic]

This is just getting silly now.

Silly? I don't think so sir...

"Among the substances in third-hand smoke are hydrogen cyanide, used in chemical weapons; butane, which is used in lighter fluid; toluene, found in paint thinners; arsenic; lead; carbon monoxide; and even polonium-210, the highly radioactive carcinogen that was used to murder former Russian spy Alexander V. Litvinenko in 2006. Eleven of the compounds are highly carcinogenic."

MMMmmm! That sounds tasty huh?

[Lord Belphegor]

Silly? I don't think so sir...

"Among the substances in third-hand smoke are hydrogen cyanide, used in chemical weapons; butane, which is used in lighter fluid; toluene, found in paint thinners; arsenic; lead; carbon monoxide; and even polonium-210, the highly radioactive carcinogen that was used to murder former Russian spy Alexander V. Litvinenko in 2006. Eleven of the compounds are highly carcinogenic."

MMMmmm! That sounds tasty huh?

What else it has, AIDS and Ebola?

[saltwaterteffy]

"The residue includes heavy metals"

rock on, third hand smoke!

[Jonney]

Can't smoke in the pub any more in the UK.

Fucking retarded that I can't have a smoke with my pint any more.

[saltwaterteffy]

Can't smoke in the pub any more in the UK.

Fucking retarded that I can't have a smoke with my pint any more.

i hate that shit. I'm not a smoker, but second hand smoke does not bother me in the slightest. I mean whats next, banning farting? That impedes on my right to fresh oxygen as well!~

The irony of not being able to smoke in a bar is so obvious: "Could you put that thing out? Its distracting me from poisoning my liver."

If you are drinking in a bar, cigarette smoke should be the least of your concerns.

[Nehemia]

Can't smoke in the pub any more in the UK.

Fucking retarded that I can't have a smoke with my pint any more.

Don't you guys have "smoker's" sections? We do, they are enforced by law these days. The alcohol law doesn't allow us to drink at the sametime, but really, no one's there to enforce that law.

[Lord Belphegor]

i hate that shit. I'm not a smoker, but second hand smoke does not bother me in the slightest. I mean whats next, banning farting? That impedes on my right to fresh oxygen as well!~

the irony of not being able to smoke in a bar is so obvious: "could you put that thing out? Its distracting me from poisoning my liver."

if you are drinking in a bar, cigarette smoke should be the least of your concerns.

Omg FACISTS! POLICE STATE!

[Solrac]

why kill urself slowly, do it now

[Lord Belphegor]

why kill urself slowly, do it now

Your parasite water kills you slowly, yet we don't point it out to you on the daily basis.

[Solrac]

Your parasite water kills you slowly, yet we don't point it out to you on the daily basis.

what? water?

[Tyler]

this is just getting silly.

smoking ban in oregon just went effective too. pretty soon cigarettes will just be illegal. fucking lol.

[Lord Belphegor]

what? water?

Look at your location.

[saltwaterteffy]

Look at your location.

if the water doesn't get you, the crushed glass in your taco will!

[Solrac]

Look at your location.

you're not making any sense

[Lord Belphegor]

you're not making any sense

True, I guess your stomachs and altered genetics are used to it.

[saltwaterteffy]

True, I guess your stomachs and altered genetics are used to it.

i think the word you are looking for is tapeworm.

[daRkRevenGeR]

Maybe I should start rolling my own...Cheaper and without the additives!

:idea:

[Jiggle]

Maybe I should start rolling my own...Cheaper and without the additives!

:idea:

I snort it, don't need paper that way.

[Solrac]

True, I guess your stomachs and altered genetics are used to it.

Yep, chili makes you immune to everything, you're still dying though...

[daRkRevenGeR]

I snort it, don't need paper that way.

OoOoOoOOOooh that stuff is crazy! Get's a great reaction from people who don't know what it is!

[tom_gore]

Smokers always whine. Because they are allowed to kill themselves, they should be allowed to kill others too, right?

Smokers are just plain stupid. Alcohol is actually healthy when taken in small doses. Smoking is never healthy to anyone.

[Jiggle]

Smokers always whine. Because they are allowed to kill themselves, they should be allowed to kill others too, right?

Smokers are just plain stupid. Alcohol is actually healthy when taken in small doses. Smoking is never healthy to anyone.

I once had a leech burned off me by a cigar.

That cigar saved my life.

[Niles]

Smokers always whine. Because they are allowed to kill themselves, they should be allowed to kill others too, right?

Smokers are just plain stupid. Alcohol is actually healthy when taken in small doses. Smoking is never healthy to anyone.

I don't whine.

[saltwaterteffy]

Originally Posted by tom_gore View Post
Smokers always whine. Because they are allowed to kill themselves, they should be allowed to kill others too, right?

Smokers are just plain stupid. Alcohol is actually healthy when taken in small doses. Smoking is never healthy to anyone.

you're the fucking whiner. Your nostrils detect cigarette smoke long before your eyes do. Stay away from it if you are so afraid of getting cancer.

For the record, small doses of ANYTHING people ingest can be considered healthy. Large doses of ANYTHING we ingest is considered just as bad, I.E. water poisoning. Moderation is the key. Unless you CHOOSE to be around smokers EVERYDAY, then its safe to say that you'll be healthy and safe from your enormous fear of cancer.

[tom_gore]

you're the fucking whiner. Your nostrils detect cigarette smoke long before your eyes do. Stay away from it if you are so afraid of getting cancer.

For the record, small doses of ANYTHING people ingest can be considered healthy. Large doses of ANYTHING we ingest is considered just as bad, I.E. water poisoning. Moderation is the key. Unless you CHOOSE to be around smokers EVERYDAY, then its safe to say that you'll be healthy and safe from your enormous fear of cancer.

Even small amounts of cigarette smoke is unhealthy. You fail.

I'm not that concerned about cancer. Cigarette smoke just smells so bad and when in larger quantities, makes my eyes itchy. I'm glad they have banned smoking in restaurants. I can actually go to a restaurant for a pint or two without having my clothes smell like they've been through a housefire.

Plus, I've yet to find a smoker who has been able to explain to me why anybody should smoke anyway, except to keep away the retention from being addicted to that crap.

[Niles]

Even small amounts of cigarette smoke is unhealthy. You fail.

I'm not that concerned about cancer. Cigarette smoke just smells so bad and when in larger quantities, makes my eyes itchy. I'm glad they have banned smoking in restaurants. I can actually go to a restaurant for a pint or two without having my clothes smell like they've been through a housefire.

Plus, I've yet to find a smoker who has been able to explain to me why anybody should smoke anyway, except to keep away the retention from being addicted to that crap.

What kind of big fat sissy are you?

[The Cougar]

Research is simply indicating that this "third-hand smoking" might be harmful for e.g. children. I don't see anything wrong with making people aware of this, it's not like it's a part of a huge conspiracy against all smokers.

[saltwaterteffy]

Even small amounts of cigarette smoke is unhealthy. You fail.

I'm not that concerned about cancer. Cigarette smoke just smells so bad and when in larger quantities, makes my eyes itchy. I'm glad they have banned smoking in restaurants. I can actually go to a restaurant for a pint or two without having my clothes smell like they've been through a housefire.

Plus, I've yet to find a smoker who has been able to explain to me why anybody should smoke anyway, except to keep away the retention from being addicted to that crap.

smoking is unhealthy? wow i had no idea!

I was trying to point out that there are plenty of OTHER things that can be just as harmful to your health.

Once again, you are whining about bad smells (which i clearly pointed out) and itchy eyes (lol). Who the fuck goes to a restaurant for a pint anyways? Even so, if you are going out for a drink, you should expect smoke because drinking and smoking go hand in hand for many many people.

You have yet to find a smoker that has been able to explain to you why anyone should smoke anyways??? what a bullshit statement! ITS THE EXACT, EXACT same reasons that you drink your pints. They enjoy the taste, its relaxing and relieves stress, it gives them a buzz. Smokers get persecuted enough by hypocrite drinkers like yourself. you go ahead and softly kill your liver and they will continue to softly kill their lungs.

[Niles]

Research is simply indicating that this "third-hand smoking" might be harmful for e.g. children. I don't see anything wrong with making people aware of this, it's not like it's a part of a huge conspiracy against all smokers.

Kids are weak and stupid.

[The Cougar]

For the record, small doses of ANYTHING people ingest can be considered healthy.
No.

[chodie4u]

You can die from anything. Everything causes cancer. No one is forcing you to breathe. Stop hating on cigarettes.

[saltwaterteffy]

No.

back that up with some facts.

[Niles]

back that up with some facts.

Look where he's from, they don't have facts over there.

[Sinical]

back that up with some facts.
Depleted uranium.... someone would.

(I enjoy smokes.)

[palo god]

In 20 years they're going to invent 6th hand smoking, just watch as they take that sweet sweet cigarette from you.

[saltwaterteffy]

Depleted uranium.... someone would.

(I enjoy smokes.)

i thought it was obvious that cigarettes were not included

(I have no problem with smokes)

[Graysin]

interesting... very interesting...

how about we come up with long range (fourth!) hand smoke?

[chodie4u]

interesting... very interesting...

how about we come up with long range (fourth!) hand smoke?

Then I could assail unsuspecting victims from across the street.

[Lord Belphegor]

Smokers always whine. Because they are allowed to kill themselves, they should be allowed to kill others too, right?

Smokers are just plain stupid. Alcohol is actually healthy when taken in small doses. Smoking is never healthy to anyone.

Oh shut up with that bullshit. Do you know anyone who died of second hand smoke? No. Thank you.

Alcohol healthy? I personally knew 2 people who died from "second hand drinking", meaning drunk driving.

Carry on!

[palo god]

interesting... very interesting...

how about we come up with long range (fourth!) hand smoke?

knowing someone is smoking somewhere is bad for your health, or is that 6th hand smoking? :lmao:

[saltwaterteffy]

interesting... very interesting...

how about we come up with long range (fourth!) hand smoke?

fourth hand smoke - the fetus of the pregnant mother who was exposed to third hand smoke.

[Erratic]

people who want to smoke in bars should stfu seeing as how bartenders and waitresses are subject to all that second hand some which DOES cause cancer. So go outside, or stfu, no way in hell should a non-smoker get cancer because some jackass wont kill himself slowly in private...

[chodie4u]

fourth hand smoke - the fetus of the pregnant mother who was exposed to third hand smoke.

...and then died 78 years later.

[Lord Belphegor]

fourth hand smoke - the fetus of the pregnant mother who was exposed to third hand smoke.

Maybe we should prevent all pregnant women from breathing? I hope you realize that common Smog/Pollution has more negative affect on people than so called "second hand smoke".

[Lord Belphegor]

people who want to smoke in bars should stfu seeing as how bartenders and waitresses are subject to all that second hand some which DOES cause cancer. So go outside, or stfu, no way in hell should a non-smoker get cancer because some jackass wont kill himself slowly in private...

That makes SOOO MUCH sense. I worked at bars and clubs, most of the bartenders and hostesses SMOKE themselves. OMG FIRST, SECOND, THIRD and QUADRBILLION HAND SMOKE!

[The Cougar]

back that up with some facts.
Just like you did, right? If you're going to make a statement, the burden of proof is on you, not me.

It's not like it's difficult to come up with something to refute the claim "everything people eat is healthy in small amounts". Do you need me to humiliate you further?

[sm007h]

That makes SOOO MUCH sense. I worked at bars and clubs, most of the bartenders and hostesses SMOKE themselves
manning the glory holes doesn't count, dumbass.

[saltwaterteffy]

people who want to smoke in bars should stfu seeing as how bartenders and waitresses are subject to all that second hand some which DOES cause cancer. So go outside, or stfu, no way in hell should a non-smoker get cancer because some jackass wont kill himself slowly in private...

wow...just wow.

I'm going to apply for a bartender job but bitch and moan about smoking.

I'm also going to apply for a job as a coal miner but bitch and moan about all the dust.

[Lord Belphegor]

manning the glory holes doesn't count, dumbass.

Quality response. You go to man glory hole bars? Are there even such? I don't know, but you appear to do. Wow, thanks for informing us, lol.

/facepalm

[saltwaterteffy]

Just like you did, right? If you're going to make a statement, the burden of proof is on you, not me.

It's not like it's difficult to come up with something to refute the claim "everything people eat is healthy in small amounts". Do you need me to humiliate you further?

yea you humiliated the hell out of me by boldly saying "no."


Everything people eat IS healthy in small amounts. Take ANY food, proportion it correctly and it cannot possibly be detrimental to your health.

I.E. 1 Mcdonald's french fry is not going to clog an artery.

As I said before, moderation is the key.

[Niles]

yea you humiliated the hell out of me by boldly saying "no."


Everything people eat IS healthy in small amounts. Take ANY food, proportion it correctly and it cannot possibly be detrimental to your health.

I.E. 1 Mcdonald's french fry is not going to clog an artery.

As I said before, moderation is the key.

Dude, he was been brainwashed by the goverment and school, he will never understand your points.

[chodie4u]

Take ANY food, proportion it correctly and it cannot possibly be detrimental to your health.

I.E. 1 Mcdonald's french fry is not going to clog an artery.

As I said before, moderation is the key.

1 McDonald's fry can choke you.

I agree with your statement on moderation. Most people know nothing about it.

[saltwaterteffy]

Dude, he was been brainwashed by the goverment and school, he will never understand your points.

i think it has something to do with the northern lights interfering with his brainwaves...

[saltwaterteffy]

1 McDonald's fry can choke you.

I agree with your statement on moderation. Most people know nothing about it.

sadly most of those people are Americans, and eat way more than 1 mcdonalds french fry.

[Lord Belphegor]

sadly most of those people are Americans, and eat way more than 1 mcdonalds french fry.

You can now safely point and laugh at Australians, fyi.

[chodie4u]

i think it has something to do with the northern lights interfering with his brainwaves...

Northern lights always does something to affect my brain-
wait, are you talking about aurora borealis?

[Arden]

If only those dirty smokers would stop spreading their filth we might be immortal!

[Lord Belphegor]

If only those dirty smokers would stop spreading their filth we might be immortal!

That makes so much sense. Just as is naming your clan after a band. Shall we expect Backstreet Boys reign chaos in Darkfall as well?

[The Cougar]

yea you humiliated the hell out of me by boldly saying "no."


Everything people eat IS healthy in small amounts. Take ANY food, proportion it correctly and it cannot possibly be detrimental to your health.

I.E. 1 Mcdonald's french fry is not going to clog an artery.

As I said before, moderation is the key.
Not being detrimental to your health and being healthy is not the same. Several food colorings (many of them forbidden in i.e. Europe) have absolutely no benefits on your health. They contain no nutrition, are mildly toxic and only exist to make your food look pretty. Of course, in microscopical amounts they can't harm you, so is it correct to say small amounts should be considered healthy?

No.

[The Cougar]

i think it has something to do with the northern lights interfering with his brainwaves...
You're talking to a person who's most likely just as far north as me.

[saltwaterteffy]

You're talking to a person who's most likely just as far north as me.

except he doesn't think that hes on top of the world.

[Lord Belphegor]

It is actually stupid to say small amounts of foods can't harm you. First of all, what's food for one person could be a toxic for another. A certain Hindu sect eating dead and rotting flesh is certainly not healthy. Eating small amounts of McD french fries on a regular basis is not healthy either. Overtime it still builds up fat and cholesterol levels, no matter how "small" your intake amounts are.

[The Cougar]

except he doesn't think that hes on top of the world.
Because he happens to agree with you. I understand your logic.

[Erratic]

wow...just wow.

I'm going to apply for a bartender job but bitch and moan about smoking.

I'm also going to apply for a job as a coal miner but bitch and moan about all the dust.
People bartend and work as restaurants for money, it's a job... and they serve drinks and food at these places. They don't expect nor should they be exposed to toxins that cause cancer... It's absurd think there cancer should be an acceptable risk for bartenders/waitresses. Get real...

[saltwaterteffy]

It is actually stupid to say small amounts of foods can't harm you. First of all, what's food for one person could be a toxic for another. A certain Hindu sect eating dead and rotting flesh is certainly not healthy. Eating small amounts of McD french fries on a regular basis is not healthy either. Overtime it still builds up fat and cholesterol levels, no matter how "small" your intake amounts are.

i said in moderation. that doesn't mean daily doses. With that in mind, it might not be healthy as I said before, but it can't be harmful if you limit your intake. I think we all have different ideas of what is and is not healthy as well though so I kind of agree with your toxic statement.

[saltwaterteffy]

People bartend and work as restaurants for money, it's a job... and they serve drinks and food at these places. They don't expect nor should they be exposed to toxins that cause cancer... It's absurd think there cancer should be an acceptable risk for bartenders/waitresses. Get real...

i like how you have nothing to say about the coal miner. is it absurd for cancer to be an acceptable risk for them too?

[Arden]

That makes so much sense. Just as is naming your clan after a band. Shall we expect Backstreet Boys reign chaos in Darkfall as well?

I'd express my condolences for the death of your sense of humor, but I don't know whether you were ever in possession of it at all.

In anticipation of the response that my comment simply wasn't funny or anything to that effect: I'd simply say that it is unbecoming of you to insult a person for offering you humor in good will at no charge.

But I suppose you have a greater understanding of things than I, for you go along with such grace admonishing those who fall short of your standard of wisdom. According to your divine faculty of understanding it was a band called "Black Flag" after which I named my guild, which is clearly the more rational assumption; as opposed to an icon of piracy that has existed for centuries.

[Lord Belphegor]

People bartend and work as restaurants for money, it's a job... and they serve drinks and food at these places. They don't expect nor should they be exposed to toxins that cause cancer... It's absurd think there cancer should be an acceptable risk for bartenders/waitresses. Get real...

How many people you know who died of second hand smoke? Nobody, ok.

When you apply for a job which clearly offers an environment which allows smoking, are you NOT expecting smoke? Oh wait.... yea.

The morale of the story, don't apply for jobs which don't fit your work style! Just as people don't apply to be coal miners and not expect to be exposed to whatever chemicals are present there!

Should we have an alcoholic apply for a bartender job? I can already hear you cry out loud "BUTTT HE SHOULD NOT BE EXPOSED TO WHATEVER IS CLEARLY DESTROYING HIM!!!!11!!"

Carry on!

[Pcheez]

I still cant believe people believe 2nd hand smoke causes cancer.

Goddamn anti tobacco lobby, full of shit and hot air.

Now out of courtesy, i dont smoke around people.

Outside my office i have a hugeass sign that says "CAUTION, SMOKING AREA INSIDE". As such, people cant bitch if they come into a thick smog.

I dont see why there are no SMOKER bars in all countries where indoor smoking is illegal.

Its discriminatory against non smokers you say ? Ok, but i mean 3 Smoker bars in a city as opposed to 400 non smoker bars is a fair trade no ?

Hypocristy and dogshit all in all.

Fuck you, i shall smoke where i please and when i please, i will gladly pay the fine but i will finish my cigarette and hopefully kill every whining pussy in the room that took a whiff of my cig. A slow, cancerous death.

Its bullshit people claim this will help smokers quit. Some dont want to quit, some really enjoy it.
The easiest method would be to ban tobacco products worldwide, BAM simple solution. But no, the governemtn wont get its inflated tax then (you do know the retail price of say marlboros if untaxed is actually some 1$ a packet, right ?).

[KaneK89]

Considering I don't think anyone has died from third-hand smoke, or health issues related to it, I can't imagine it's all that toxic.

Fucking people trying to keep us smokers down. Soon we won't even be able to smoke in our own fucking houses.

It's simple really, if you're THAT worried about second and third-hand smoke, avoid smokers. If one gets on an elevator with you, fucking get off and take another route, or get on another elevator. This is getting silly.

[chodie4u]

I still cant believe people believe 2nd hand smoke causes cancer.

Everything causes cancer.

[Pcheez]

Everything causes cancer.

Sexual Intercourse causes cancer
Homosexuals are the source of HIV
Masturbating turns you blind.

GO GO SPREAD THE FALLAC... i mean the WORD.

[Arden]

Far be it for me to arrive upon any absolute conclusions. Gnaw as you will on this thought:

Is it possible that a lot of this arises from a gross misunderstanding of cancer on the part of the collective whole? If I asked everyone poster on this forum to explain exactly how cancer works without querying some external source I doubt that more than a few could--and that might be generous.

Chances are if you are so predisposed to cancer that the carcinogens from regular exposure to second hand smoke were enough to metastasize into malignancy you will have developed cancer by some other factor far sooner.

[Lord Belphegor]

Sexual Intercourse causes cancer
Homosexuals are the source of HIV
Masturbating turns you blind.

GO GO SPREAD THE FALLAC... i mean the WORD.

Everyone always told me masturbation will make me grow hair on my palms... but I never saw that happen. I was kind of disappointed.

[saltwaterteffy]

Everything causes cancer.

this is just a THEORY but bring on the flames anyways...

We know that there is not just one type of cancer, there are vast amounts of different types of cancer. I believe that each and every human being is born with cancerous cells in their body. Something within their environment triggers the growth of these dormant cells and causes them to grow and form ____ type of cancer. This would explain why even children can get cancer at such a young age. I believe that everyone has a predisposition to cancer, the right circumstances just have to happen for you to trigger its growth.

...just my crackpot theory.

what do you personally think?

[Glak]

Its bullshit people claim this will help smokers quit. Some dont want to quit, some really enjoy it.
Bullshit ... as a longtime smoker i never realy enjoyed smoking and from all the smokers in my family and friends noone i talked to realy enjoyed smoking ... we just need our hourly fix and then claim we enjoy it because our brain sends us relief signals countering the withdrawl symptoms.


The easiest method would be to ban tobacco products worldwide, BAM simple solution. But no, the governemtn wont get its inflated tax then (you do know the retail price of say marlboros if untaxed is actually some 1$ a packet, right ?).
And thats the basic truth why smoking is not banned (like Mariuana)...
Everyone knows its unhealthy but the government simply needs the tax income.

[Pcheez]

Bullshit ... as a longtime smoker i never realy enjoyed smoking and from all the smokers in my family and friends noone i talked to realy enjoyed smoking ... we just need our hourly fix and then claim we enjoy it.

You are telling me i dont enjoy my cigs ? Sure im cutting down on them due to health but i still very much enjoy ever puff with orgasmic delight.


And thats the basic truth why smoking is not banned (like Mariuana)...
Everyone knows its unhealthy but the government simply needs the tax income.

Pretty much

[Lord Belphegor]

Bullshit ... as a longtime smoker i never realy enjoyed smoking and from all the smokers in my family and friends noone i talked to realy enjoyed smoking ... we just need our hourly fix and then claim we enjoy it because our brain sends us relief signals countering the withdrawl symptoms.


And thats the basic truth why smoking is not banned (like Mariuana)...
Everyone knows its unhealthy but the government simply needs the tax income.

/facepalm

It's called Marijuana, and since when is it NOT banned in most of the world AND (that's perspective probably) since when is it at least MORE unhealthy than cigarettes? You certainly paid attention in your high school health class and Sunday school! It's certainly banned in Germany, what the hell have YOU been smoking on?

[Trikk]

Only women and retards smoke, who cares.

[Glak]

this is just a THEORY but bring on the flames anyways...

We know that there is not just one type of cancer, there are vast amounts of different types of cancer. I believe that each and every human being is born with cancerous cells in their body. Something within their environment triggers the growth of these dormant cells and causes them to grow and form ____ type of cancer. This would explain why even children can get cancer at such a young age. I believe that everyone has a predisposition to cancer, the right circumstances just have to happen for you to trigger its growth.

...just my crackpot theory.

what do you personally think?
Your theory is pretty much on the money. There are even cases of newborns having cancer.

Some types of cancer can be inherited and are waiting dormant to be triggered somehow, breast cancer seems to be one of them for instance.

Others are specificly caused by certain external influences, Asbestos and Carbon being the most prominent causes.

[chodie4u]

Sexual Intercourse causes cancer
Homosexuals are the source of HIV
Masturbating turns you blind.

GO GO SPREAD THE FALLAC... i mean the WORD.

Life causes cancer.

[Glak]

/facepalm

It's called Marijuana, and since when is it NOT banned in most of the world AND (that's perspective probably) since when is it at least MORE unhealthy than cigarettes? You certainly paid attention in your high school health class and Sunday school! It's certainly banned in Germany, what the hell have YOU been smoking on?

You misunderstood me. Read again ...

[Lord Belphegor]

You misunderstood me. Read again ...

Ok, I see it, blurry, again, due to intoxicants, but I do. Blurry apologies. ;)

It's late.

[Glak]

You are telling me i dont enjoy my cigs ? Sure im cutting down on them due to health but i still very much enjoy ever puff with orgasmic delight.
Oh im sure you "enjoy" them ... just like any drug addict "enjoys" his fix.

I remember how it was for me, i smoked for 11 years and i "needed" my smokes! Of course i "enjoyed" them since i had withdrawl when i didnt smoke. :bang:

[Lord Belphegor]

I do need to quit smoking though, and looking at my upcoming future, I might have a chance.

Oh im sure you "enjoy" them ... just like any drug addict "enjoys" his fix.

I remember how it was for me, i smoked for 11 years and i "needed" my smokes! Of course i "enjoyed" them since i had withdrawl when i didnt smoke. :bang:

It's true, it's addiction, as any, yet I still say for many it's more of a hand-to-mouth habit over nicotine fix. I can find myself not smoking whole day if I am busy, but when I'm free for a moment, I crave the smoke. That's why many recommend toothpicks and such to overcome the cig need. I actually tested it with other forms of nicotine forms, such as black'n'milds (I doubt they smoke that in Germany), and although it has more nicotine, I still crave a cig afterward.

[chodie4u]

I do need to quit smoking though, and looking at my upcoming future, I might have a chance.

I've tried to quit smoking because I told myself I "need" to or I "should" and I failed every time. It wasn't until I wanted to that I was able to quit, and that was a hard thing to 'want' to do.

Even then, I find myself craving a cigarette for a brief moment every once in a while, that's a fact. To resist the urge to light up is harder than deciding to quit in the first place.

I breathe easier now but living where I live breathing has never been easy. Pot doesn't help that fact. All in all, I'm glad I quit because it saves me a grip of money. I hope for your sake you can pull it off. Peace.

[SSguy]

yea you humiliated the hell out of me by boldly saying "no."


Everything people eat IS healthy in small amounts. Take ANY food, proportion it correctly and it cannot possibly be detrimental to your health.

I.E. 1 Mcdonald's french fry is not going to clog an artery.

As I said before, moderation is the key.

Prove it, take some cyanide.

[Lord Belphegor]

I've tried to quit smoking because I told myself I "need" to or I "should" and I failed every time. It wasn't until I wanted to that I was able to quit, and that was a hard thing to 'want' to do.

Even then, I find myself craving a cigarette for a brief moment every once in a while, that's a fact. To resist the urge to light up is harder than deciding to quit in the first place.

I breathe easier now but living where I live breathing has never been easy. Pot doesn't help that fact. All in all, I'm glad I quit because it saves me a grip of money. I hope for your sake you can pull it off. Peace.

I will. All it takes is right environment and circumstances. As I said before, I can go without smoking as long as I'm in right circumstances, which will be taking over my life pretty soon. I'll most likely quit being addicted, but I'm sure I'll also crave it every once in a while as you say.

Besides obvious negative effects of Marijuana if abused, I can't really say Pot, in controlled use, has the same or even near negative effects as smoking cigarettes. In controlled use, you don't smoke it every hour or so, or between breaks.

[SSguy]

this is just a THEORY but bring on the flames anyways...

We know that there is not just one type of cancer, there are vast amounts of different types of cancer. I believe that each and every human being is born with cancerous cells in their body. Something within their environment triggers the growth of these dormant cells and causes them to grow and form ____ type of cancer. This would explain why even children can get cancer at such a young age. I believe that everyone has a predisposition to cancer, the right circumstances just have to happen for you to trigger its growth.

...just my crackpot theory.

what do you personally think?

You are a fucking idiot and need to understand wtf cancer is and how it works before you spout shit about it.

[Nasty]

Heavy metals in food, air pollution, shitty diets, alcohol. Naw fuck that THERES THIRD HAND SMOKE TO BE SKEERED OF

People who come up with this shit need to be shot. What a fucking waste of time and resources.

[SSguy]

Heavy metals in food, air pollution, shitty diets, alcohol. Naw fuck that THERES THIRD HAND SMOKE TO BE SKEERED OF

People who come up with this shit need to be shot. What a fucking waste of time and resources.

Yes, because discoverig harmful effects of food/products is stupid.
This article is totally telling us that drinking alcohol and eating toxic food is ok......God damn them for ever finding out smoking cigarrettes causes black lungs!!! God damn them for finding out the other harmful effects it causes!!!!

[Lord Belphegor]

Yes, because discoverig harmful effects of food/products is stupid.
This article is totally telling us that drinking alcohol and eating toxic food is ok......God damn them for ever finding out smoking cigarrettes causes black lungs!!! God damn them for finding out the other harmful effects it causes!!!!

Did you know that using cellphones or even sitting in front of your own monitor is harmful? OMG BAN CELLPHONES AND COMPUTERS NOWZZZZ!!!

[SSguy]

Did you know that using cellphones or even sitting in front of your own monitor is harmful? OMG BAN CELLPHONES AND COMPUTERS NOWZZZZ!!!

Because we force other ppl to sit in front of them right?

Maybe I should stick my cellphone near your ear all day....oh no wait, I'd get arrested. Its cool, I can just stand next to you and smoke.

Edit: I think we broke forumfall record for amount of uneducated morons in one thread.

[Lord Belphegor]

Because we force other ppl to sit in front of them right?

Because I force you to smoke!

I do force you to inhale my car exhaust and the industrial complex pollution? Should we ban cars and their factories as well?!

Again, so far NOBODY in this thread answer my repetitive question. Can you name me one person you know who died of second hand smoke? Agrrgh, that question again, right?


Edit: I think we broke forumfall record for amount of uneducated morons in one thread.

Yes, thank you for being that variable!

[Nasty]

Yes, because discoverig harmful effects of food/products is stupid.
This article is totally telling us that drinking alcohol and eating toxic food is ok......God damn them for ever finding out smoking cigarrettes causes black lungs!!! God damn them for finding out the other harmful effects it causes!!!!

Did you miss the part where it said THIRD HAND SMOKE.

This is a ridiculous study. We all know the effects of smoking, divide that by 30 or so and you have second hand smoke. Third hand smoke? Wow. Go wear a fucking helmet.

[Lord Belphegor]

You know what, we need to ban any fire. Fire creates smoke, and smoke is toxic. From now on, no one is allowed to create fire. Lighters, fireplaces, fireworks, factories, cars, and everything creating carbon dioxide SHALL BE BANNED!

That actually means you need to stop breathing. Everything you take a breath, you create carbon dioxide, which is a toxic chemical, and I inhale it. Can you die so I can stop dying do to YOUR toxins?

Now I really advocate banning breathing, it's like 2nd, 3rd, and 4th smoke.

[saltwaterteffy]

You are a fucking idiot and need to understand wtf cancer is and how it works before you spout shit about it.

hi. lets argue :D

[Nasty]

You know what, we need to ban any fire. Fire creates smoke, and smoke is toxic. From now on, no one is allowed to create fire. Lighters, fireplaces, fireworks, factories, cars, and everything creating carbon dioxide SHALL BE BANNED!

That actually means you need to stop breathing. Everything you breath, you create carbon dioxide, which is a toxic chemical, and I inhale it. Can you die so I can stop dying do to YOUR toxins?

Now I really advocate banning breathing, it's like 2nd, 3rd, and 4th smoke.

Did you consider the third hand consequences of making this post? Maybe someone doesn't agree, gets sad and someone else who cares about them gets even sadder. MAN IMMA WRITE A SCIENTIFIC ARTICLE ON THIRD HAND SADNESS ITS A NEW PSYCHOLOGICAL EPIDEMIC SOUND THE FUCKING ALARM

[SSguy]

Because I force you to smoke!


No, but you stand next to me and force me to move. I don't emit odor from my body that invades your personal space, but YOU do.



I do force you to inhale my car exhaust and the industrial complex pollution? Should we ban cars and their factories as well?!


I'm all for cleaner cars.


Again, so far NOBODY in this thread answer my repetitive question. Can you name me one person you know who died of second hand smoke? Agrrgh, that question again, right?


http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Nonsmoker_wins_suit_on_i llness_secondhand_smoke_caused_heart_att ack



Took me 5 seconds to find an article. Oh wait, because I don't personally know people who die from it....must mean these guys are full of bullshit.
Guess deaths from DUIs don't happen either! People don't die from heart attacks either!

Hang on wait......the article is bs and totaly biased!


Yes, thank you for being that variable!

Being a variable? so what? I am constantly changing from 1 user to 10? 12? 50?

You should help prove taking food in small amounts ok and join him in taking cyanide.

[Lord Belphegor]

Did you consider the third hand consequences of making this post? Maybe someone doesn't agree, gets sad and someone else who cares about them gets even sadder. MAN IMMA WRITE A SCIENTIFIC ARTICLE ON THIRD HAND SADNESS ITS A NEW PSYCHOLOGICAL EPIDEMIC SOUND THE FUCKING ALARM

You are absolutely correct! Posting causes third hand sadness, emotional distress and even possibly suicide! Imagine if someone happened to google third hand smoke and looked at this thread. They could suddenly become suicidal and cut their wrists.

Nasty, as always, makes a valid point. Posting on forums causes third hand deaths!

[SSguy]

hi. lets argue :D

There is nothing to fucking argue, you do not have a sound understanding of cancer and your theory is completly unfounded. Plain and simple.

Did you miss the part where it said THIRD HAND SMOKE.

This is a ridiculous study. We all know the effects of smoking, divide that by 30 or so and you have second hand smoke. Third hand smoke? Wow. Go wear a fucking helmet.

Because you can't tell when someone's been smoking in the area right? You can't smell the stench of someone who just came inside from smoking outside right? right? Totally doesn't exist.

If its a ridiculous study, feel free to prove them wrong.

[Glak]

Again, so far NOBODY in this thread answer my repetitive question. Can you name me one person you know who died of second hand smoke? Agrrgh, that question again, right?
I only know one person who will probably soon die of lung cancer without ever having smoked.

His work included being a waiter and barkeeper once during his college, but he also worked with other potential hazzardous materials as a architect (Asbestos comes to mind).

I wont say second hand smoking will cause cancer by itself, but all the shit combined we have in the air might cause it.

From my point of view the tobacco smoke is one of the things we might be able to reduce in the future (like car fumes etc).
Of course 5 years ago before i stopped i would have defended smoking too :p

[SSguy]

i only know one person who will probably soon die of lung cancer without ever having smoked.

His work included being a waiter and barkeeper once during his college, but he also worked with other potential hazzardous materials as a architect (asbestos comes to mind).


holy shits asbestos?!?!?!?! Lol thats ridiculous no one forces u to work in a building with asbestos!?!?!

Do you know anyone whos died from asbestos!??!?!? No???? Then it doesnt kill pplz!!! The study showing it was harmful is ridiculous im super cereal!!!

ima go do humanity a favor and down a bottle of cyanide!!! yay

/lord belphagor

[Lord Belphegor]

No, but you stand next to me and force me to move. I don't emit odor from my body that invades your personal space, but YOU do.


Then don't stand next to me! Am I fucking bounding to to that spot? You don't like me smoking, walk away! I don't like you breathing next to me, it clearly creates toxic chemicals which are harmful to my health. Considering my health, I'll try to get away. Common sense!

I'm all for cleaner cars.

Awesome, then you must quickly make a thread banning all petrol based cars since they are harming me and you. More than cigarettes, that's for sure.



http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Nonsmoker_wins_suit_on_i llness_secondhand_smoke_caused_heart_att ack



Took me 5 seconds to find an article. Oh wait, because I don't personally know people who die from it....must mean these guys are full of bullshit.
Guess deaths from DUIs don't happen either! People don't die from heart attacks either!

Awesome. As I said, I'll take me a fraction of a second finding an article about how carbon dioxide is toxic to me, yet you and your car create it.

Yes, as I mentioned before, I personally know 2 good friends who died from "second hand drinking", otherwise known as Driving Under Influence. Should we ban alcohol from bars as well? We should ban cars then too! ALL CARS. Pick up a fucking bicycle and ride it now.




Being a variable? so what? I am constantly changing from 1 user to 10? 12? 50?

You should help prove taking food in small amounts ok and join him in taking cyanide.

If you had any brains you'd see my reply saying that even small amounts of food can be harmful, but then again, it takes the minimum mental capabilities to read and comprehend. Also, you eat cyanide? Is that your food? Shit, you eat cyanide and then you bitch about harmful effects of cigarettes? WHAT THE HELL?! I'm truly lost now.

Originally Posted by SSguy
You are a fucking idiot and need to understand wtf cancer is and how it works before you spout shit about it.

Omg, let's all thank Forumfall for finding YOU! THIS MAN KNOWS WHAT CANCER IS! No scientist up to date has figured out how cancer is created and works but YOU KNOW!

God bless Forumfall.

[Nasty]

Because you can't tell when someone's been smoking in the area right? You can't smell the stench of someone who just came inside from smoking outside right? right? Totally doesn't exist.

To be perfectly honest, I'd rather smell smoke in clubs, than sweat, farts, piss and bad breath. Same goes for office space sure I don't typically dig the smell of third hand lol smoke, but it doesn't matter. It's such a miniscule fucking deal.

Alot of people stink either way. Third hand smoke smell seriously misses my top 10.000 list of things that annoy me. Take your cigarette tinfoil jihad elsewhere. Don't forget the helmet, kneepads and rubber gloves.

[saltwaterteffy]

There is nothing to fucking argue, you do not have a sound understanding of cancer and your theory is completly unfounded. Plain and simple.

looks like arguing to me btw.

a theory is a theory. i never claimed to understand anything about cancer. i didn't research anything, i just formulated a hypothesis based on what i currently know. i don't understand how you can be upset about an opinion...except maybe because it is an opinion.

[Lord Belphegor]

holy shits asbestos?!?!?!?! Lol thats ridiculous no one forces u to work in a building with asbestos!?!?!

Do you know anyone whos died from asbestos!??!?!? No???? Then it doesnt kill pplz!!! The study showing it was harmful is ridiculous im super cereal!!!

ima go do humanity a favor and down a bottle of cyanide!!! yay

/lord belphagor

You see, in a civilized world, whenever you either work or live in an environment which has been treated with Abestos, they clearly inform you about it. Otherwise they'll get sued the shit back to stone age. When I rented my last and current apartments, I certainly was given a huge fucking pamphlet informing me about Abestos. HOLY SHIT, right?

[SSguy]

Then don't stand next to me! Am I fucking bounding to to that spot? You don't like me smoking, walk away! I don't like you breathing next to me, it clearly creates toxic chemicals which are harmful to my health. Considering my health, I'll try to get away. Common sense!

Great, so you admit to forcing me to move? encroaching on my freedoms. I am not emitting odor thats invading your personal space, but you are.

Its equivalent to me setting off a dozen stinkbombs near your house. No ones forcing you to live there right??
Its your freedom encroaching on mine, not the other way around.


Awesome, then you must quickly make a thread banning all petrol based cars since they are harming me and you. More than cigarettes, that's for sure.

Feel free to start it and argue for it, I'll join you.


Awesome. As I said, I'll take me a fraction of a second finding an article about how carbon dioxide is toxic to me, yet you and your car create it.


I have an electric car, plus I take the train to work...which runs on electric. Fail some more, but hey, like I said feel free to argue for cleaner cars.

Also...I don't remember people driving their cars into bars or restaurants, once I turn the car off the fumes don't stick around either.....whe nthe hell was the last time you smelt "car" on someone?


Yes, as I mentioned before, I personally know 2 good friends who died from "second hand drinking", otherwise known as Driving Under Influence. Should we ban alcohol from bars as well? We should ban cars then too! ALL CARS. Pick up a fucking bicycle and drive it now.


I'm all for banning alcohol, moderating it sure as hell doesn't work.
The thing is, cars and alcohol don't always have harmful effects to TOHER people.

Ban drinking and driving, sure. Ban getting wasted at a bar sure. Ban smoking in public places sure. Doesn't mean you can't smoke in your own home, I'm fine with that.



If you had any brains you'd see my reply saying that even small amounts of food can be harmful, but then again, it takes the minimum mental capabilities to read and comprehend. Also, you eat cyanide? Is that your food? Shit, you eat cyanide and then you bitch about harmful effects of cigarettes? WHAT THE HELL?! I'm truly lost now.

Thats mostly meant for him....not you....
But hey, how many people do you know have died from cyanide?? lolz no one so it totally means its not true!

Sorry, did I forget the /sarcasm tags for your dumbass?

[SSguy]

Omg, let's all thank Forumfall for finding YOU! THIS MAN KNOWS WHAT CANCER IS! No scientist up to date has figured out how cancer is created and works but YOU KNOW!

God bless Forumfall.

Cancer is formed from body cells over producing nonstop. A common form would be a tumor.

We know how its created/works, we just can't stop it. Well, not stop it entirely, easily, and/or healthily.


Cancer (medical term: malignant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malignant) neoplasm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoplasm)) is a class of diseases (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease) in which a group of cells (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(biology)) display uncontrolled growth (division (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_division) beyond the normal limits), invasion (intrusion on and destruction of adjacent tissues), and sometimes metastasis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metastasis) (spread to other locations in the body via lymph or blood). These three malignant properties of cancers differentiate them from benign tumors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benign_tumor), which are self-limited, do not invade or metastasize. Most cancers form a tumor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumor) but some, like leukemia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leukemia), do not. The branch of medicine concerned with the study, diagnosis, treatment, and prevention of cancer is oncology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oncology).

Is that enough proof for you? I'm glad you are 50 years behind medical technology and knowledge.

And with that......I'm done talking to you, you are just too stupid and ill educated to continue.

[saltwaterteffy]

A common form would be a tumor.

its not a tumah! :p

[SSguy]

You see, in a civilized world, whenever you either work or live in an environment which has been treated with Abestos, they clearly inform you about it. Otherwise they'll get sued the shit back to stone age. When I rented my last and current apartments, I certainly was given a huge fucking pamphlet informing me about Abestos. HOLY SHIT, right?

Ok, after this little gem I'm done talking to you.

Why the fuck do you think they even know about it? Because people researched it...just like they are researching third hand smoke.

[Nasty]

Ok, after this little gem I'm done talking to you.

Why the fuck do you think they even know about it? Because people researched it...just like they are researching third hand smoke.

Research isn't necessarily relevant or good, just because it is research. Everyone is for research that propel us forward. You're making it sound like the invention of the cheesewheel is just as important as the wheel.

Third hand smoke? Dude come on.

[Lord Belphegor]

Great, so you admit to forcing me to move? encroaching on my freedoms. I am not emitting odor thats invading your personal space, but you are.

HOLY SHIT IRONY RED ALERT. What about my freedoms? Encroaching on my freedoms by forcing ME to move when I smoke yet it's ok for you to encroaching on my freedoms by creating toxic carbon dioxide through breathing and operating your car?

/Epic facepalm.


Its equivalent to me setting off a dozen stinkbombs near your house. No ones forcing you to live there right??
Its your freedom encroaching on mine, not the other way around.

No one is forcing you to stand next to me when I'm smoking, even in a restaurant or a bar. Do you just LOVE to contradict yourself?


I have an electric car, plus I take the train to work...which runs on electric. Fail some more, but hey, like I said feel free to argue for cleaner cars.

Awesome, for your information, your electric car and train are powered by power stations which are in fact powered by fossil fuels which emit pollution, including carbon dioxide. Shall be ban them then?!

Also...I don't remember people driving their cars into bars or restaurants, once I turn the car off the fumes don't stick around either.....whe nthe hell was the last time you smelt "car" on someone?

You realize that many toxins have no smell, right? I guess it's time to re-read some chemistry!


I'm all for banning alcohol, moderating it sure as hell doesn't work.
The thing is, cars and alcohol don't always have harmful effects to TOHER people.

OMFG. So all the MILLIONS of people who die each year due to DUIs are not harmefully affected by other people driving CARS while under the influence of ALCOHOL.

/Epic Facepalm v2.0

Ban drinking and driving, sure. Ban getting wasted at a bar sure. Ban smoking in public places sure. Doesn't mean you can't smoke in your own home, I'm fine with that.

Doesn't mean you can't go to a bar or restaurant which either bans smoking or has designated smoking areas. OMG, right?!




Thats mostly meant for him....not you....
But hey, how many people do you know have died from cyanide?? lolz no one so it totally means its not true!

Not many, since cyanide in actual toxic levels is unavailable to public unless you are some psycho terrorist or have some papers.

[SSguy]

looks like arguing to me btw.

a theory is a theory. i never claimed to understand anything about cancer. i didn't research anything, i just formulated a hypothesis based on what i currently know. i don't understand how you can be upset about an opinion...except maybe because it is an opinion.

No..there is no arguing. You can not argue against facts.
You aren't forming an opinion. Opinions can't be proven wrong or right

I like the color blue, is an opinion.
I think the moon is made of cheese, is NOT an opinion.

And scientifically speaking, a thoery is a collection of facts. considering what you are trying to argue/claim is scientific, you're "theory" is not a theory, but just a collection of false ideas.

Congrats on failing basic vocabulary.

Great, you formed a hypothesis based on what you know, which is next to nothing, which is false. So there is no argument.

I can't wait till I fucking snap and just wander around killing morons like you.

[SSguy]

Research isn't necessarily relevant or good, just because it is research. Everyone is for research that propel us forward. You're making it sound like the invention of the cheesewheel is just as important as the wheel.

Third hand smoke? Dude come on.

So people telling you the lingering smell of a smoker can be harmful is not relevant. Damn, looks like we really are shooting for the forumfall record.

Prove them wrong...then tell me "third hand smokzes?!?!!? lol dude come on!!!! these ppl totally dont have any credible backgrounds!!"

[saltwaterteffy]

No..there is no arguing. You can not argue against facts.
You aren't forming an opinion. Opinions can't be proven wrong or right

I like the color blue, is an opinion.
I think the moon is made of cheese, is NOT an opinion.

And scientifically speaking, a thoery is a collection of facts. considering what you are trying to argue/claim is scientific, you're "theory" is not a theory, but just a collection of false ideas.

Congrats on failing basic vocabulary.

Great, you formed a hypothesis based on what you know, which is next to nothing, which is false. So there is no argument.

I can't wait till I fucking snap and just wander around killing morons like you.

I can't wait to see you snap. its so easy to goad you into a hissy fit :rolleyes:

I think George Carlin put it best: "My opinion is that you don't have a right to your fucking opinion! Then shoot the fuck and walk away!"

my opinion is that your opinion fucking sucks.

edit: Great, you formed a hypothesis based on what you know, which is next to nothing, which is false. So there is no argument.


at least we can agree that i formed a hypothesis on what i know no matter how little or false it may be. Looks like progress to me!

[tallefred]

OMG there are SMOKERS on these forums!!! We're all gonna die, run to the hills!!!

[Lord Belphegor]

Ok, after this little gem I'm done talking to you.

Why the fuck do you think they even know about it? Because people researched it...just like they are researching third hand smoke.

People research bigfoot, leprechauns and chupacabara . Certainly that gives them credibility, AM I RIGHT?!

OMG there are SMOKERS on these forums!!! We're all gonna die, run to the hills!!!

tallefred is correct, all of you are about to die to 34283482th hand smoking, which is reading Forumfall. Sorry guys, I didn't mean it.

[SSguy]

I can't wait to see you snap. its so easy to goad you into a hissy fit :rolleyes:


Yes, because people getting angry over sheer stupidity is something to be ashamed of and make fun of. Everyone loves being a complete moron!

I'm totally foaming at the mouth right now and slamming my keyboard into the wall. Couldn't be that I'm just severely disgusted. No...nooooo, of course not. Anyone posting hostily on these boards cant be anything other than foaming at the mouth.



I think George Carlin put it best: "My opinion is that you don't have a right to your fucking opinion! Then shoot the fuck and walk away!"

my opinion is that your opinion fucking sucks.

When do comedians get to redefine the english language?

[Zorbie]

All i ask is for smokers to admit they are totally addicted to a drug, there's no shame in admitting it. Rather than the "i enjoy the great taste of carbon monoxide and ash, it's my choice". Here's a choice, if i offered a heavy smoker £10k to quit for 6 months, they couldn't and wouldn't do it, they would say they would, but they would suicide well before then. Perhaps i'm angry from personal experience, due to my pregnant gf not being able to quit totally, else she bounces off the wall, saying one calms her down.

If i had such little willpower and such an addiction, i really wouldn't wanna live my life and at the very least would seek help. I don't see how or why smoking is different to cocain, besides one being illegal.

[saltwaterteffy]

All i ask is for smokers to admit they are totally addicted to a drug, there's no shame in admitting it. Rather than the "i enjoy the great taste of carbon monoxide and ash, it's my choice". Here's a choice, if i offered a heavy smoker £10k to quit for 6 months, they couldn't and wouldn't do it, they would say they would, but they would suicide well before then. Perhaps i'm angry from personal experience, due to my pregnant gf not being able to quit totally, else she bounces off the wall, saying one calms her down.

If i had such little willpower and such an addiction, i really wouldn't wanna live my life and at the very least would seek help. I don't see how or why smoking is different to cocain, besides one being illegal.

the difference between a line of coke and a single cigarette is monumental.

[Lord Belphegor]

All i ask is for smokers to admit they are totally addicted to a drug, there's no shame in admitting it. Rather than the "i enjoy the great taste of carbon monoxide and ash, it's my choice". Here's a choice, if i offered a heavy smoker £10k to quit for 6 months, they couldn't and wouldn't do it, they would say they would, but they would suicide well before then. Perhaps i'm angry from personal experience, due to my pregnant gf not being able to quit totally, else she bounces off the wall, saying one calms her down.

If i had such little willpower and such an addiction, i really wouldn't wanna live my life and at the very least would seek help. I don't see how or why smoking is different to cocain, besides one being illegal.

Did any of the smokers in this thread not say they are addicted to something associated with smoking? Let's keep the topic on the subject. It certainly wasn't about questioning the addictiveness of substances and habits.

[Zorbie]

Did any of the smokers in this thread not say they are addicted to something associated with smoking? Let's keep the topic on the subject. It certainly wasn't about questioning the addictiveness of substances and habits.

Yes, but they disguise it with 'wanting' to. I used to binge drink a bit, and still have a few on weekends, but i see how it affects my body and such is my vanity, i stop whenever i feel my health is being affected.

This morning on way to work, i saw an elderly couple (who i see first thing every morning smoking), standing outside in sub-zero snow conditions, having a *** freezing to death, as they have smoke alarms in their apartment. Part of me feels they haven't chose a life of hypothermia.

But it's like this: It's down to your upbringing. My gf's side are big smokers, and smoking with parents knowledge since very young ages. My side are non smokers, except my grandads who both died from it (it's a very very slow painful death btw). So for me, it's hard to understand. I have cigars, smoke fags when offered, just for a laugh, but i can't see how, unless you forcibly smoked for a prolonged period, it could become enjoyable.

So i think it's a habit, i have a habit where i gotta fiddle with something with my fingers and when stressed i do it more, same thing i guess.

[Dwhap]

i
If you are drinking in a bar, cigarette smoke should be the least of your concerns.

Exactly. I don't smoke cigarettes but occationally like to smoke a good cigar, especially when golfing. Last summer I actually had somebody in the next fairway ask me to put my cigar out because he inhaled a few molecules of smoke when he was down wind from me. I told him the only way I would put it out is if he let me do it in the center of his forhead.

[saltwaterteffy]

Yes, but they disguise it with 'wanting' to. I used to binge drink a bit, and still have a few on weekends, but i see how it affects my body and such is my vanity, i stop whenever i feel my health is being affected.

This morning on way to work, i saw an elderly couple (who i see first thing every morning smoking), standing outside in sub-zero snow conditions, having a *** freezing to death, as they have smoke alarms in their apartment. Part of me feels they haven't chose a life of hypothermia.

But it's like this: It's down to your upbringing. My gf's side are big smokers, and smoking with parents knowledge since very young ages. My side are non smokers, except my grandads who both died from it (it's a very very slow painful death btw). So for me, it's hard to understand. I have cigars, smoke fags when offered, just for a laugh, but i can't see how, unless you forcibly smoked for a prolonged period, it could become enjoyable.

So i think it's a habit, i have a habit where i gotta fiddle with something with my fingers and when stressed i do it more, same thing i guess.

i can't remember the last time a cigarette set off a smoke detector. i call bullshit

[hardboiled]

I've been trying to kill people by smoking around them and I've also been around them alot when I've smoked a while ago. I've EVEN convinced some of them to smoke a bit themselves.
But none of them are dead yet, what am I doing wrong forumfall?

[Zorbie]

Well, they aren't allowed to smoke in the building. i know because i live there. They are supposed to have alarms, our flat hasn't so i don't know. But they are out in wind or rain, gunfire, petrol bombs and possible happy slappings having a quick smoke.

Addiction ftl.

[tom_gore]

Oh shut up with that bullshit. Do you know anyone who died of second hand smoke?

So people have to die before it starts being unhealthy for them? Ookay... You just proved my point that smokers want to be free of any consequences their stupid and disgusting habit is causing on others. Hey, I'm ruining my own health with this stupid cigarette, why should others be any better off, right?

[Zorbie]

I've been trying to kill people by smoking around them and I've also been around them alot when I've smoked a while ago. I've EVEN convinced some of them to smoke a bit themselves.
But none of them are dead yet, what am I doing wrong forumfall?

I smoke cigars and strong cigarettes in-front of smokers occasionally, then just stop, just to show my mind pwnage over them.

[Grizzler]

This discussion is here just because we can't wait to get addicted to Darkfall Online.

And I don't really think gaming is the healthiest thing either.


Anyway, carry on! ^^

[Zorbie]

This discussion is here just because we can't wait to get addicted to Darkfall Online.

And I don't really think gaming is the healthiest thing either.


Anyway, carry on! ^^

Well that depends.

A few moons ago, whilst at Uni (not that i was at it much), i would spend all day each day playing MMO's, 12 hour sessions weren't a rarity. Although i was slight of frame, my bank account was healthy and i didn't really go out, get into trouble, etc. I was a technical thesaurus, on the forefront of anything released.


Now turn forward the clock some years, with a liver and kidneys wishing i had stayed in and not binge drink, bank balance rarely seeing the good side of overdraft, bills out my bum and the latest in a line of psychotic gf's i've met on my pub travels.

MMO's prolonged my life for many years, when Darkfall comes out, it may save it! Choose MMO's...Choose LIFE!

[Grizzler]

Well that depends.

A few moons ago, whilst at Uni (not that i was at it much), i would spend all day each day playing MMO's, 12 hour sessions weren't a rarity. Although i was slight of frame, my bank account was healthy and i didn't really go out, get into trouble, etc. I was a technical thesaurus, on the forefront of anything released.


Now turn forward the clock some years, with a liver and kidneys wishing i had stayed in and not binge drink, bank balance rarely seeing the good side of overdraft, bills out my bum and the latest in a line of psychotic gf's i've met on my pub travels.

MMO's prolonged my life for many years, when Darkfall comes out, it may save it! Choose MMO's...Choose LIFE!

Hehe yea that's also true, but then again just lying in bead, reading books and having an exercise for about an hour a day in total is healthier than... Oh right it's healthier than anything else, nvm :rolleyes:.

I'm just saying it might hurt yr eyes! ;)

[bas]

I'm just saying it might hurt yr eyes! ;)

So does reading.
In our circle of friends of the family, five died of lung cancer. All non-smokers.
Also, I am a smoker and yes, I *do* enjoy smoking. I enjoy the taste, I enjoy the oral satisfaction and I do in fact enjoy preventint inflamitory bowel-syndrom (which is a healthy thing in smoking, btw).
I wouldn't be addicted if smoking wasn't so fucking great. I was addicted to WoW because it was awesome, it's not anymore, so I quit.
Really liked "I don't want to be intoxicated by smokers while sitting in a bar, intoxicating my liver" or something. Made me lol IRL.

[Zorbie]

My eyes went from perfect to kind of short-sighted a year or two ago due to PC's. But tbh, if things are far away, they are of no concern to me and i can still see everything on my PC 100%, so i think it's just my eyes evolving, cutting out the need to see birds, tree's and kamikaze aircraft, in favour of keyboards, darts and labels on draught beer pumps.

[Grizzler]

My eyes went from perfect to kind of short-sighted a year or two ago due to PC's. But tbh, if things are far away, they are of no concern to me and i can still see everything on my PC 100%, so i think it's just my eyes evolving, cutting out the need to see birds, tree's and kamikaze aircraft, in favour of keyboards, darts and labels on draught beer pumps.

yea experiencing that aswell since recently, I think it sucks tbh..

However, I wonder if it's reversable. Like if you would be in the open for a while it would adapt again.

[Ziegler]

look...here is my issue with the whole smoking bans....


These are places of business....it is THEIR decision to allow or disallow their customers to smoke. If they do allow it, then you as a customer have the choice of going to a business that doesnt allow smoking.

But you as a customer, nor the government, should be allowed to tell a person how to run their business..same with not allowing them to use certain kinds of grease.....You can require them to disclose they are using it, but you cant force them to change it just because it isnt healthy.

[tom_gore]

My eyes went from perfect to kind of short-sighted a year or two ago due to PC's. But tbh, if things are far away, they are of no concern to me and i can still see everything on my PC 100%, so i think it's just my eyes evolving, cutting out the need to see birds, tree's and kamikaze aircraft, in favour of keyboards, darts and labels on draught beer pumps.

No. It's because you're using your computer in a poorly lit environment. Up the lights in the room and your eyes will be fine.

The damage already done will probably still be there, but they won't get worse.

[Zorbie]

I believe it's actually the muscles in the eye that control the lens or something. Basically they expand and contract depending on what you're looking at. Porlonged periods of looking at things close up, it's harder for the eye to use the muscles again to look far away.

Laser treatment i think just shaves a layer of the lens to compensate for this.

[AmonDominus]

Don't you guys have "smoker's" sections? We do, they are enforced by law these days. The alcohol law doesn't allow us to drink at the sametime, but really, no one's there to enforce that law.
The so called "smoker's" sections are a myth. It's usually a full room divided by a curtain or an invisible barrier so non-smoking people still get engulfed with the second-hand smoke.

[ExiliuM]

Fifth-Hand smoking, you have heard of cigarettes. It'll kill you!

[Zorbie]

Sixth hand smoke:

If you read a sentence containing the text 'Cigarette', it will kill your mum.

[zango]

disgusting

[Zushakon]

Nice.. third hand smoke.. now I'm gonna go buy some more ciggs so I can kill even more people.

[DR.NUMBERS]

Can't smoke in the pub any more in the UK.

Fucking retarded that I can't have a smoke with my pint any more.

Seriously, do any normal people actually support this legislature or is it just ass-hat politicians?

Why can't the bar owner just designate the bar as smoking/non-smoking. That way staff and customers will know whether they want to work in or frequent that particular establishment.

[The Cougar]

Because I force you to smoke!

I do force you to inhale my car exhaust and the industrial complex pollution? Should we ban cars and their factories as well?!

Again, so far NOBODY in this thread answer my repetitive question. Can you name me one person you know who died of second hand smoke? Agrrgh, that question again, right?
Second hand smoke is documented to cause health issues. Due to its long-term nature it's obviously difficult to directly pin the cause of death on it, but it's known to cause cancer and airway problems, for example. Estimates have second-hand smoking contributing to 53 000 deaths in US per year alone (according to the sources on Wiki anyway). I can understand the wish for not being exposed to it.


Noone here is trying to infringe upon your rights as smokers with this research. It's simply a heads-up for parents who wants their child to grow up without asthma problems and such.

[The Cougar]

Seriously, do any normal people actually support this legislature or is it just ass-hat politicians?

Why can't the bar owner just designate the bar as smoking/non-smoking. That way staff and customers will know whether they want to work in or frequent that particular establishment.
Agreed.

[Rycon]

just buy a fucking e-sig or summing.

[Tossball]

You smoke, I choke.
I choke, you smoke.

It's a never ending cycle... Until people stop choking people will continue to smoke and while people continue to smoke, people will also continue to choke.

[Zorbie]

I got Asthma, so smokers or cats hurt a bit, smoking cats are kill on sight.

Tbh, the pub smoking ban has been hit or miss for me. Every 10 mins my gf and about 50% of the pub say "coming outside for smoke?" to each other, then vanish into a little wooden hut with heatlamps. In summer, it will be awesome for both sides, they can smoke in sun, i can instant bar access.

I don't miss the clothes stink. You could literally make a whole house smell like a brothel with clothes from the night before, you'd be coughing in the morning, sore throat, clothes needed washing instantly and i would be wheezing...and i don't even smoke. Couldn't imagine living like that by choice.

[Glak]

Seriously, do any normal people actually support this legislature or is it just ass-hat politicians?
I do :p



Why can't the bar owner just designate the bar as smoking/non-smoking. That way staff and customers will know whether they want to work in or frequent that particular establishment.
I totaly enjoy a smoke free evening in the retaurant and bar, club, etc...
I started to go out more often since they put the ban on smoking in place.

[Zorbie]

I do :p



I totaly enjoy a smoke free evening in the retaurant and bar, club, etc...
I started to go out more often since they put the ban on smoking in place.

I finally didn't have the need to re-wash my jeans every day for simply spending 5 minutes within 2 yards of a pub. Nor have black phlegm.

[DR.NUMBERS]

I do :p



I totaly enjoy a smoke free evening in the retaurant and bar, club, etc...
I started to go out more often since they put the ban on smoking in place.


Thats fine but why not just go to a non-smoking bar? Why make it so that there are ONLY non-smoking bars. Kind of selfish IMO.

The owner should decide whether he wants his bar to be smoking or non smoking, its his damn business after all. Then the customer can say "Oh no, its smoking, I guess I'll go to the one across the street." and the staff can say "Oh no, its smoking. I guess I'll apply at the one across the street.".

[Glak]

Thats fine but why not just go to a non-smoking bar? Why make it so that there are ONLY non-smoking bars. Kind of selfish IMO.
Im always a selfish person :sly:

In the 11 years i smoked 2 packs a day i was as ignorant of non smoker wishes as you are today.

Nowadays i dont give a shit about what smokers want but i support every law that might give me cleaner air.


Human nature ... :p

[DR.NUMBERS]

Im always a selfish person :sly:

In the 11 years i smoked 2 packs a day i was as ignorant of non smoker wishes as you are today.

Nowadays i dont give a shit about what smokers want but i support every law that might give me cleaner air.


Human nature ... :p


Lol, only I am pretty much a non-smoker. I smoke a pipe about once every 3 days in my own home, that's about it. Never in public.

[Tossball]

It's really this simple.

Smokers are just selfish bastards, they ask for compromises.

Anti-Smokers aren't selfish, they want absolutely no compromises.

[DR.NUMBERS]

It's really this simple.

Smokers are just selfish bastards, they ask for compromises.

Anti-Smokers aren't selfish, they want absolutely no compromises.

Lol

[Maas]

Why does anyone even read the NYTimes anymore?


Haven't they had like 6 incidents in the past year where they simple reported incorrect things?

[Baralis]

Seriously, do any normal people actually support this legislature or is it just ass-hat politicians?

Why can't the bar owner just designate the bar as smoking/non-smoking. That way staff and customers will know whether they want to work in or frequent that particular establishment.

This is just the way I see it as well. The owner should have the right to designate there establishment the way they want. If you dont want to be around smoke then dont go/work to a smoke permitting establishment.

What about cell phones? Its strongly believed that they can damage cells as well but we never hear of a "cell phone section".

[Tossball]

What about cell phones? Its strongly believed that they can damage cells as well but we never hear of a "cell phone section".

They can certainly damage cells and internal organs when used in the wrong locations. Moreso if it's expensive and extra loud.

[SSguy]

This is just the way I see it as well. The owner should have the right to designate there establishment the way they want. If you dont want to be around smoke then dont go/work to a smoke permitting establishment.

What about cell phones? Its strongly believed that they can damage cells as well but we never hear of a "cell phone section".

Prove the range they damage affects anyone other than the person using it, and you have a case.

Smoking on the other hand, its blatently obvious it affects people other than the smoker.

[Glak]

What about cell phones? Its strongly believed that they can damage cells as well but we never hear of a "cell phone section".
As soon as we are done with the smokers we will come after the cell phone users :ninja:

[ColonelTEE3]

Lulz i heard about this on the radio while i was driving to school and i thought it was all a bunch of HOO HA and bologna!

But lit cigarettes are kind of annoying to be around so i guess its one more thing to pressure smokers into never leaving their homes.

[kiasta]

Yeah so um simply put: Make smokers stay outside and away from places a non-smoker might ever go...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/03/health/research/03smoke.html?_r=1&em

Take that smokers!

They just need to get rid of all the shit they put in the cigarettes to make it addictive and bad for you.Tobacco itself is not really bad for you it is all the chemicals they put in cigarettes that is bad for you, which is the problem. But Tobacco companies make too much money off people's addictions and we all know where some of that money goes to keep cigarettes legal.

I honestly would rather smoke weed (if I were not allergic) than cigarettes it's actually much better for you. The only reason it was banned was because some dickhead politician was said that it made white females attracted to black men. I still say that it was the size of the black man's penis that attracted the women not the pot.

[kiasta]

Omg FACISTS! POLICE STATE!

It's the popular way to control your country, everyone is doing it nowadays.

[kiasta]

if the water doesn't get you, the crushed glass in your taco will!

I've actually seen a video where...wait did you mean an actual taco?

[Agge]

i hate that shit. I'm not a smoker, but second hand smoke does not bother me in the slightest. I mean whats next, banning farting? That impedes on my right to fresh oxygen as well!~

The irony of not being able to smoke in a bar is so obvious: "Could you put that thing out? Its distracting me from poisoning my liver."

If you are drinking in a bar, cigarette smoke should be the least of your concerns.

My exact opinion.

[kiasta]

Why does anyone even read the NYTimes anymore?


Haven't they had like 6 incidents in the past year where they simple reported incorrect things?

Lol, I don't real or watch ANY news stations here in America (especially FOX News, god they make me sick to my stomach). It's almost ALWAYS false. I rely on the internet for all my news. But yeah I think I heard something about it, not sure of the specifics though.

[Jezrith]

Anti-smoking Nazis are more harmful to the world than smoking ever will be.

[Hubbell]

Even small amounts of cigarette smoke is unhealthy. You fail.

I'm not that concerned about cancer. Cigarette smoke just smells so bad and when in larger quantities, makes my eyes itchy. I'm glad they have banned smoking in restaurants. I can actually go to a restaurant for a pint or two without having my clothes smell like they've been through a housefire.

Plus, I've yet to find a smoker who has been able to explain to me why anybody should smoke anyway, except to keep away the retention from being addicted to that crap.

You don't have to go to bars/restaurants that cater to smokers, so you shouldn't have the right to tell those bars/restaurants that they have to ban smoking. It's private property and the laws against it are fucking bullshit.

[Vessol]

THIS JUST IN!

Other people in other cars can run you over on the sidewalk! Laws passed that make it illegal to drive!

[Baralis]

Doesnt it seem just as likely that cleaning your home would have just as negative affect on your children. I mean you leave chemical residues for them to be near. Stop cleaning now!

[Viluin]

They need to ban smoking. It's like a poison, and it affects everyone around the user too.

[Baralis]

They need to ban smoking. It's like a poison, and it affects everyone around the user too.


So are automobiles. I would imagine that driving a few hundred miles a year puts more pollution in the air then a smoker would for the entire year.

[Ankh]

Whether you smoke or not is a personal matter.

Where you smoke is a social matter.


Kill the evil smokers!

[Jezrith]

Doesnt it seem just as likely that cleaning your home would have just as negative affect on your children. I mean you leave chemical residues for them to be near. Stop cleaning now!

That's what I love about the article, they say it leaves all this residue, but mention nothing on studying if it actually enters the blood stream and if it does so in levels that are actually dangerous. More shoddy science, just like the original second-hand smoke science.

[Viluin]

So are automobiles. I would imagine that driving a few hundred miles a year puts more pollution in the air then a smoker would for the entire year.

True, but unlike smoking, driving a car is actually useful. Either that or they need to ban cars and significantly improve railroads to make sure you can still get anywhere (Especially in the US, lol, do you even use trains for public transport?). I wouldn't mind, tbh.

[Vessol]

True, but unlike smoking, driving a car is actually useful. Either that or they need to ban cars and significantly improve railroads to make sure you can still get anywhere (Especially in the US, lol, do you even use trains for public transport?). I wouldn't mind, tbh.

I'd use public transit if it actually existed in most of America, it's non-existent currently.

And smoking is useful to some ;), helps with stress.

[Baralis]

True, but unlike smoking, driving a car is actually useful. Either that or they need to ban cars and significantly improve railroads to make sure you can still get anywhere (Especially in the US, lol, do you even use trains for public transport?). I wouldn't mind, tbh.

I agree. Dont get me wrong Im not standing up for smoking (altho I am a smoker). But its just everyone wants to pick on smoking while ignoring everything else that is as determinantal to health/enviroment. I think we have a long way to go across the board before we are where we should be.

[Patrician]

Holy fuck everyone keep your children in plastic bubbles!

Not your children, your smokers. :sly:

[Viluin]

I agree. Dont get me wrong Im not standing up for smoking (altho I am a smoker). But its just everyone wants to pick on smoking while ignoring everything else that is as determinantal to health/enviroment. I think we have a long way to go across the board before we are where we should be.

It's equally narrow minded to not quit smoking because "there are worse things out there, get them first!".

[iza]

It's all about personal freedom.

Smoking is one of many things in life that provide a good feeling, at some expense to your health - it's a trade-off, which many people (myself included) feel is worth it.. If you don't think so, then don't smoke and stfu about it, because it's really nobody else's business.

[nick larking]

Crap im going to die :(

[Tir McDohl]

I'm more worried about fourth hand smoke :ninja:

[Gaal]

Dear god!!

Think of the children!








THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

[Viluin]

It's all about personal freedom.

Smoking is one of many things in life that provide a good feeling, at some expense to your health - it's a trade-off, which many people (myself included) feel is worth it.. If you don't think so, then don't smoke and stfu about it, because it's really nobody else's business.

It is my business, because you stink.

[Rilman]

Your really worried about third hand cigarette smoke?

Try looking up the chemicals left over from burning fuel and yes that includes Air travel fuel, then go and look at the flight paths over your country and the motorways.

Cigarettes pale in comparison.

[nick larking]

Your really worried about third hand cigarette smoke?

Try looking up the chemicals left over from burning fuel and yes that includes Air travel fuel, then go and look at the flight paths over your country and the motorways.

Cigarettes pale in comparison.

*buys filtered air bubble*