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Vessol
01-05-2009, 05:49 AM
Police set to step up hacking of home PCs
David Leppard

THE Home Office has quietly adopted a new plan to allow police across Britain routinely to hack into people’s personal computers without a warrant.

The move, which follows a decision by the European Union’s council of ministers in Brussels, has angered civil liberties groups and opposition MPs. They described it as a sinister extension of the surveillance state which drives “a coach and horses” through privacy laws.

The hacking is known as “remote searching”. It allows police or MI5 officers who may be hundreds of miles away to examine covertly the hard drive of someone’s PC at his home, office or hotel room.

Material gathered in this way includes the content of all e-mails, web-browsing habits and instant messaging.

Under the Brussels edict, police across the EU have been given the green light to expand the implementation of a rarely used power involving warrantless intrusive surveillance of private property. The strategy will allow French, German and other EU forces to ask British officers to hack into someone’s UK computer and pass over any material gleaned.

A remote search can be granted if a senior officer says he “believes” that it is “proportionate” and necessary to prevent or detect serious crime — defined as any offence attracting a jail sentence of more than three years.

However, opposition MPs and civil liberties groups say that the broadening of such intrusive surveillance powers should be regulated by a new act of parliament and court warrants.

They point out that in contrast to the legal safeguards for searching a suspect’s home, police undertaking a remote search do not need to apply to a magistrates’ court for a warrant.

Shami Chakrabarti, director of Liberty, the human rights group, said she would challenge the legal basis of the move. “These are very intrusive powers – as intrusive as someone busting down your door and coming into your home,” she said.

“The public will want this to be controlled by new legislation and judicial authorisation. Without those safeguards it’s a devastating blow to any notion of personal privacy.”

She said the move had parallels with the warrantless police search of the House of Commons office of Damian Green, the Tory MP: “It’s like giving police the power to do a Damian Green every day but to do it without anyone even knowing you were doing it.”

Richard Clayton, a researcher at Cambridge University’s computer laboratory, said that remote searches had been possible since 1994, although they were very rare. An amendment to the Computer Misuse Act 1990 made hacking legal if it was authorised and carried out by the state.

He said the authorities could break into a suspect’s home or office and insert a “key-logging” device into an individual’s computer. This would collect and, if necessary, transmit details of all the suspect’s keystrokes. “It’s just like putting a secret camera in someone’s living room,” he said.

Police might also send an e-mail to a suspect’s computer. The message would include an attachment that contained a virus or “malware”. If the attachment was opened, the remote search facility would be covertly activated. Alternatively, police could park outside a suspect’s home and hack into his or her hard drive using the wireless network.

Police say that such methods are necessary to investigate suspects who use cyberspace to carry out crimes. These include paedophiles, internet fraudsters, identity thieves and terrorists.

The Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) said such intrusive surveillance was closely regulated under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act. A spokesman said police were already carrying out a small number of these operations which were among 194 clandestine searches last year of people’s homes, offices and hotel bedrooms.

“To be a valid authorisation, the officer giving it must believe that when it is given it is necessary to prevent or detect serious crime and [the] action is proportionate to what it seeks to achieve,” Acpo said.

Dominic Grieve, the shadow home secretary, agreed that the development may benefit law enforcement. But he added: “The exercise of such intrusive powers raises serious privacy issues. The government must explain how they would work in practice and what safeguards will be in place to prevent abuse.”

The Home Office said it was working with other EU states to develop details of the proposals.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5439604.ece

TL;DR version: THE Home Office has quietly adopted a new plan to allow police across Britain routinely to hack into people’s personal computers without a warrant.

Spinewire
01-05-2009, 05:52 AM
*Moves everything to an external hard drive*

FFS... I'm going to have to get my complain face on about this, then instantly be assused of being a pedo.

:/


Let face it the US are obv doing this but at least in the EU they give you a heads up about it.

Snog
01-05-2009, 05:54 AM
We in the computer industry call that 'business as usual'. If you honestly think the contents of your PC are unavailable to others, including the authorities, you either know your computer ****, or are an ignorant computer-newb.

Megumi
01-05-2009, 05:59 AM
i hope they like gay porn :)

Xalan
01-05-2009, 05:59 AM
Freedoms allover the world are being taken away by our governments. The citizens of these governments need to rise up and tell the government "No more"


People should not be afraid of there government, the government should be afraid of its people.

Spinewire
01-05-2009, 06:03 AM
Last time i checked they didn't include breaking into your house and installing key loggers or going for a cheeky rummage warrent free.

Oh no wait.... Mi5 have been doing that since time began.



Wonder what would happen if you caught someone doing this.... imagin the shit storm it would cause if you you kicked up a fuss and demanded they were charaged for breaking and entering, or if you clubbed one of them and killed them.... :ohno:

AmonDominus
01-05-2009, 06:03 AM
Only in UK. Massive amount of CCTV cameras with other intrusive privacy crap and now this.
Time to learn advanced hacking & cracking 101.

Nasty
01-05-2009, 06:50 AM
QUICK stash that CP fast, gogo.

Naglfar87
01-05-2009, 07:03 AM
Worse for me im about 10 minutes away from one of the UK's main communication headquarters, GCHQ which has been here since WWII era.

I personally think UK invades their citizens privacy more then any other country.

Vessol
01-05-2009, 07:06 AM
I personally think UK invades their citizens privacy more then any other country.

What about North Korea?

Naglfar87
01-05-2009, 07:08 AM
Touché, I meant higher then any democratic country.

palo god
01-05-2009, 07:12 AM
Soon they’re going to allow warrantles house searches and strip searches. I hope you guys in the UK feel safe.

Xalan
01-05-2009, 07:16 AM
Touché, I meant higher then any democratic country.

Australia catching up pretty fast.

Duffren
01-05-2009, 07:17 AM
I guess if people want to be discreet about their doings they'll have to go back to hand written post, unless the government is allowed to read your mail too.

Pcheez
01-05-2009, 07:22 AM
Well if you have nothing to hide i dont see an issue.

OH NOS they will see my PORN !1!
Dont keep pedo shit and you will be fine.

Naglfar87
01-05-2009, 07:25 AM
Its the principle matey, the world as we know it is turning into one giant fucking big brother episode.

Jezrith
01-05-2009, 07:26 AM
Well if you have nothing to hide i dont see an issue.

OH NOS they will see my PORN !1!
Dont keep pedo shit and you will be fine.

I bet you have something to hide on your computer, after seeing the contents of thousands of hard drives, everyone does.

But GG UK, leading the world to 1984 and only 25+ years late...

Apex Vertigo
01-05-2009, 07:31 AM
Well if you have nothing to hide i dont see an issue.

OH NOS they will see my PORN !1!
Dont keep pedo shit and you will be fine.

One of the worst arguments ever to be used. Yes, let's give away simple civil liberties like privacy because you have "nothing to hide". What about personal things? E-mails from your wife that you don't want to cops to look at on your person computer? Anything really, there are a lot of things I don't want cops looking at on my comp and ... at least 2 of them aren't perverted, but they are of the contents on my comp are legal ;).

Pcheez
01-05-2009, 07:35 AM
One of the worst arguments ever to be used. Yes, let's give away simple civil liberties like privacy because you have "nothing to hide". What about personal things? E-mails from your wife that you don't want to cops to look at on your person computer? Anything really, there are a lot of things I don't want cops looking at on my comp and ... at least 2 of them aren't perverted, but they are of the contents on my comp are legal ;).

I keep extremely confidential work emails containing information worth huge $$.
Think i dont get "inaproriate" messages from Exs ?

Point is, what do i care when some dick in the government is browsing through it, let him get off if we wants.

Now im sure it will be abused like shit, but in a perfect world, i wouldnt mind it. Afterall, you nkow i would be monitored like 24/7 if i go to the UK, i would have so much fun doing the wierdest shit.

Mebit
01-05-2009, 07:37 AM
TL;DR version: THE Home Office has quietly adopted a new plan to allow police across Britain routinely to hack into people’s personal computers without a warrant.[/QUOTE]

Suxs to be in Uk right now....

Then again Australia has had a huge filter put in to stop people looking at porn.

Lame

Apex Vertigo
01-05-2009, 07:38 AM
I keep extremely confidential work emails containing information worth huge $$.
Think i dont get "inaproriate" messages from Exs ?

Point is, what do i care when some dick in the government is browsing through it, let him get off if we wants.

Now im sure it will be abused like shit, but in a perfect world, i wouldnt mind it. Afterall, you nkow i would be monitored like 24/7 if i go to the UK, i would have so much fun doing the wierdest shit.

I guess if you get off by having other weirdos get off to your shit then this is good?

Konjikino
01-05-2009, 07:40 AM
Is it some sort of tradition to have a " omg government evil!" thread a day?

Shaehl
01-05-2009, 07:43 AM
Well if you have nothing to hide i dont see an issue.

OH NOS they will see my PORN !1!
Dont keep pedo shit and you will be fine.

It always gets me, how naive people who use your argument are. Maybe you don't have anything to hide now, but what about when the government decides they don't like your politics, or your religion, or the way you raise your children? What about when it deems currently innocuous activities dangerous and illegal?

Give them the power to invade your privacy secretly, without warrant, for whatever the reason of the day may be, and if they ever felt like it, no one would be safe from the police state.

When the government has the authority to do whatever it fucking wants, the only things standing in the way of it exercising that power are the gradually eroding moral standards of the men in charge.

You give a man a taste of power and inevitably, he'll want the full course.

Jezrith
01-05-2009, 07:45 AM
I keep extremely confidential work emails containing information worth huge $$.
Think i dont get "inaproriate" messages from Exs ?

Point is, what do i care when some dick in the government is browsing through it, let him get off if we wants.


If I were your boss and you actually had access to confidentials worth lots of money to my company, I would fire you on the spot for that statement.

Konjikino
01-05-2009, 07:46 AM
It always gets me, how naive people who use your argument are. Maybe you don't have anything to hide now, but what about when the government decides they don't like your politics, or your religion, or the way you raise your children? What about when it deems currently innocuous activities dangerous and illegal?

Give them the power to invade your privacy secretly, without warrant, for whatever the reason of the day may be, and if they ever felt like it, no one would be safe from the police state.

When the government has the authority to do whatever it fucking wants, the only things standing in the way of it exercising that power are gradually eroding moral standards of the men in charge.

You give a man a taste of power and inevitably, he'll want the full course.
You give a man a taste of power and inevitably, he'll want the full course.

Hooker in Training?

Jezrith
01-05-2009, 07:47 AM
Is it some sort of tradition to have a " omg government evil!" thread a day?

Considering that for the most past government is, yes it has become a tradition...

Konjikino
01-05-2009, 07:50 AM
You give a man a taste of power and inevitably, he'll want the full course.

Hooker in Training?

Ion_StormH
01-05-2009, 07:53 AM
Yay, it's now at 95. :)

Shaehl
01-05-2009, 07:54 AM
Hooker in Training?

I've always felt my government shared many qualities with prostitutes.

P.S. Double post necessary?

Weeking
01-05-2009, 08:22 AM
Cops have nothing better to do than to fap to CP all day?