How does america see the immigrants

[Dimgo]

People going to america looking for opportunities and a better condition for his family or people draining my tax money and causing lots of crimes?

sry about my english

[Razel]

People going to america looking for opportunities and a better condition for his family or people draining my tax money and causing lots of crimes?

sry about my english

i think you failed to put in the word 'illegal'. If they are illegal then they should be deported or shot. have a nice day

[Haeso]

i think you failed to put in the word 'illegal'. If they are illegal then they should be deported or shot. have a nice day

Mmm, it's hard to say, there are a lot of jobs that they do, that probably wouldn't get done otherwise. Granted with rising unemployment, that might not be the case anymore. The problem is that we're giving them the same things as citizens, without them paying taxes etc.

[Henu989]

I don't live in the US or have any knowledge on their immigration, but why the hell do people go there as illegal immigrants?

Is it really that hard to get in as a legal immigrant?

And imo US has the right to deport illegal immigrants.
Though I really don't know why they would even go to the US, it's not like their welfare/living conditions are that great..

[saltwaterteffy]

Everyone that lives in the United states had an immigrant in their bloodline at one point or another (save American Indians) so I think that all immigrants should be legal. I feel that any man woman or child has the right to live in any country they so choose on this earth. Man made laws should not restrict them from doing so. People will always follow where opportunity leads, laws or not.

[snowball89]

People going to america looking for opportunities and a better condition for his family or people draining my tax money and causing lots of crimes?

sry about my english

Theres plenty of room here for people looking for opportunities and a better condition for their family. My great-grandfather came here from Athens in the early 1920's and settled here in Massachusetts. Fought in Worl War I and worked his ass off and we still do today. I'd like to welcome those people by having James Brown sing again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqUipinDyw

However, if you have come here and exploit our public services and break laws you're in for a rude awakening because the track is ending and the free rides almost over. Don't be pulling that shit in my neighborhood or we good ole boys will be giving ya hell.

[Razel]

The problem is that we're giving them the same things as citizens, without them paying taxes etc.

zactly, nothing but a burden for taxpayers, as if we dont get fucked enough as it is.

[Dimgo]

i think you failed to put in the word 'illegal'. If they are illegal then they should be deported or shot. have a nice day
Yes i meant "illegal" my bad

[Dimgo]

Theres plenty of room here for people looking for opportunities and a better condition for their family. And I'd like to welcome those people by having James Brown sing again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqUipinDyw

However, if you have come here and exploit our public services and break laws you're in for a rude awakening because the track is ending and the free rides almost over. Don't be pulling that shit in my neighborhood or we good ole boys will be giving ya hell.
I dont play going to America dude relax hahaha

[Razel]

Yes i meant "illegal" my bad

its one thing to be a second or third class citizen, however the illegals have no class, they are simply parasites.

[Shaehl]

People going to america looking for opportunities and a better condition for his family or people draining my tax money and causing lots of crimes?

sry about my english

No one is against immigrants or immigration. However, many are (rightly) upset with illegal immigration.

A society needs law and order to function. Illegals subvert that.

And Haeso, there's no jobs that illegals do that legal American residents wouldn't do. If you what you meant was "There are jobs illegals do for really low wages that US citizens wouldn't do for similar pay", then you'd perhaps be correct.

But consider this, if the illegals weren't here and willing to work so cheap, the jobs wouldn't be paying so low in first place.

[Malhavok]

Depends if you're asking an American of the xenophobe or capitalist persusasion. The xenophobe will tell you the illegals caused the credit crisis and gave their uncle cancer. The capitalists will tell you the cheap labor is the backbone of the economy.

[saltwaterteffy]

there's no jobs that illegals do that legal American residents wouldn't do.

bullshit.

thats why american citizens hang out waiting for the trucks right beside all of the immigrants.

[Razel]

bullshit.

thats why american citizens hang out waiting for the trucks right beside all of the immigrants.

long as they pay taxes i dont have a problem with them, however they dont. If they really wanted to be an american they would share the responsibility of actually being one instead of sucking the shit out of taxpayers.

[Vessol]

this thread screams XENOPHOBIA

[Malhavok]

long as they pay taxes i dont have a problem with them, however they dont.

So, you'd support blanket amnesty if it resulted in the xx millions of illegals paying taxes?

[rockyraccoon]

maybe not illegal, but immigrants make a large number of the research and technology people in america these days.

[Shaehl]

bullshit.

thats why american citizens hang out waiting for the trucks right beside all of the immigrants.

Did you read my post? They would if those jobs didn't pay so shitty. Just look at the Dirty Jobs show. Some of the shittiest jobs on the planet, and nary a Mexican to be found. Why? Because they pay well (or at least not below minimum wage).

Again, if the illegals weren't driving down wages in the unskilled labor field, those types of jobs would pay enough to get legal citizens to work them.

[Razel]

So, you'd support blanket amnesty if it resulted in the xx millions of illegals paying taxes?

nope, they need to go thru the process legally so we dont end up with criminals, child molesters, drug dealers etc. Don't think anyone wants trash in.

[snowball89]

I dont play going to America dude relax hahaha

i'd be glad to welcome you if you did..I just hate illegal immigrants man. they cost us trillions. They fill up hospital beds while taxpayers can't afford medical insurance, steal jobs, ruin neighborhoods etc..

[Malhavok]

nope, they need to go thru the process legally so we dont end up with criminals, child molesters, drug dealers etc. Don't think anyone wants trash in.

So, in other words you actually do have a problem with them outside their not paying taxes. Lulz at quota system being about keeping criminals, child molesters, drug dealers, etc out.

[Razel]

So, in other words you actually do have a problem with them outside their paying taxes. Lulz at quota system being about keeping criminals, child molesters, drug dealers, etc out.

taxes being the biggest reason, but no i dont want some alcoholic drug dealing child molester thats been convicted of murdering 10 individuals living next door.

[Haeso]

long as they pay taxes i dont have a problem with them, however they dont. If they really wanted to be an american they would share the responsibility of actually being one instead of sucking the shit out of taxpayers.

If they don't pay taxes that's fine, but they shouldn't be allowed to use any public institution, public transportation etc. The things we pay for with taxes should be totally off limits with no exceptions untill they start paying taxes.

[Razel]

If they don't pay taxes that's fine, but they shouldn't be allowed to use any public institution, public transportation etc. The things we pay for with taxes should be totally off limits with no exceptions untill they start paying taxes.

yup agree, but as of right now they get all those services and more.

[saltwaterteffy]

If they don't pay taxes that's fine, but they shouldn't be allowed to use any public institution, public transportation etc. The things we pay for with taxes should be totally off limits with no exceptions untill they start paying taxes.

agreed. this post has merit!

lets just hope they are on our side in the predicted upcoming revolution in 2010!

[Sarukia]

i think you failed to put in the word 'illegal'. If they are illegal then they should be deported or shot. have a nice day

America was founded by immigrants that killed natives forced them out of their land. "forced them to other stuff" also founded on slavery no matter how much it clams to have always been about freedom for all.
So this country itself has no right to call anyone a illegal immigrant or complain about it.
I am american and I say if this country is about freedom, equality and justice like it says then "illegals" should be "legals".

[saltwaterteffy]

America was founded by immigrants that killed natives forced them out of their land. "forced them to other stuff" also founded on slavery no matter how much it clams to have always been about freedom for all.
So this country itself has no right to call anyone a illegal immigrant or complain about it.
I am american and I say if this country is about freedom, equality and justice like it says then "illegals" should be "legals".

you are absolutely right. Our country was founded on double standards. Slaves that wanted to be free...to have their OWN slaves. Stupid as hell.

[Haeso]

America was founded by immigrants that killed natives forced them out of their land. "forced them to other stuff" also founded on slavery no matter how much it clams to have always been about freedom for all.
So this country itself has no right to call anyone a illegal immigrant or complain about it.
I am american and I say if this country is about freedom, equality and justice like it says then "illegals" should be "legals".

And I say you're an idiot who probably doesn't have to pay taxes yet. How's college? Or you still live with your parents. Or are you simply a bleeding heart dumbfuck. If someone can get the benefits of what I pay taxes for, why the FUCK should I have to pay taxes?

And here's a tip dumbass, if nobody paid taxes, we'd be in some seriously bad shit.

[Malhavok]

taxes being the biggest reason, but no i dont want some alcoholic drug dealing child molester living next door.

Yes, but our immigration system isn't primarily about keeping alcoholic drug dealing child molesters from living next door to you. It's about limiting the stream of what to the best of our ability to discern would-be law abiding immigrants for certain regions.

I have a cousin who is married to an Indian engineer. Hai hai 20 year long spousal green card line from India. (Too many Indian citizens going back and marrying wives back home to bring back). In his case he'll probably get in on an H2B in a year or two. No such luck for the American engineers going back and importing less educated Indian girls to marry.

[Dimgo]

you are absolutely right. Our country was founded on double standards. Slaves that wanted to be free...to have their OWN slaves. Stupid as hell.
We had that here hahah

[Paralda]

Is it really that hard to get in as a legal immigrant?

Yes.

[TheDor]

Yes.

No.

My girlfriends family all immigrated here, and she just got her citizenship less than a month ago.

[Dimgo]

No.

My girlfriends family all immigrated here, and she just got her citizenship less than a month ago.
You know she just wants to marry you to get the green card and thats why she is making up all that stories right?

[Mr.LichTwitch]

A big part of my family(English) was in America since the 1600's. It's not the majority of my family, just part of my mother's side. The rest of my family(Italians, Irish, and Germans) came into America, legally, through Ellis Island. So I have nothing but respect for legal immigrants who take the risk of moving to a completely foreign society in order to make a living. As far as illegal immigration goes, I don't hold it against the actual illegal immigrants. It's the U.S. government's fault that we're being flooded with illegals, so the blame deserves to be put on the U.S. government IMO.

[Henu989]

Yes.
Really ?

What kinda hoops do those people have to jump trough?

[ikhoefnix]

People going to america looking for opportunities and a better condition for his family or people draining my tax money and causing lots of crimes?

sry about my english

There are lots of both types.

[Shaehl]

Lol @ all the "America was founded on illegal immigration in to Native American's lands, so why should we stop other illegal immigrants?!" posts.

Maybe America was founded on "illegal" immigration into indian lands, but so what? How is that an argument for allowing illegal immigration now?

That's like saying, "America was founded on slaughtering the the people who lived here first, so we should let anyone who so desires slaughter us!"

I don't know about you, but I don't feel like taking it in the ass just because my ancestors may or may not have been douches.

[Mr.LichTwitch]

Lol @ all the "America was founded on illegal immigration in to Native American's lands, so why should we stop other illegal immigrants?!" posts.

Maybe America was founded on "illegal" immigration into indian lands, but so what? How is that an argument for allowing illegal immigration now?

That's like saying, "America was founded on slaughtering the the people who lived here first, so we should let anyone who so desires slaughter us!"

I don't know about you, but I don't feel like taking it in the ass just because my ancestors may or may not have been douches.

People who use that argument fail to realize that most of the world was founded the same fucking way. A bunch of short sighted hypocrites.

[ineluki]

And I say you're an idiot who probably doesn't have to pay taxes yet. How's college? Or you still live with your parents. Or are you simply a bleeding heart dumbfuck. If someone can get the benefits of what I pay taxes for, why the FUCK should I have to pay taxes?

And here's a tip dumbass, if nobody paid taxes, we'd be in some seriously bad shit.

And you are angry because you have no answer for the truth,instead you are going on about taxes.American was founded by immigrants who rape murdered and killed to take control of that land. Some of your major city's were built by black slaves.

You are all immigrants and should be classed as European Americans.:lmao:

[ineluki]

People who use that argument fail to realize that most of the world was founded the same fucking way. A bunch of short sighted hypocrites.

Which parts of the world was founded that way,obviously some but not all. As usual Americans are in denial about their uncomfortable pass. Don`t worry though because you can actually blame it on the British.

[Red Sparrow]

If you kicked out all your apple pickers a large portion of land would be converted to corn. If you don't have cheap labor then the only choice is to grow things that don't take a lot of cheap labor.

This would make the price of a great many things skyrocket. In my area its apples.

Not corn though.
Don't need workers for corn.

Expensive apples.
Cheap corn.
More fatass Americans.

[Haeso]

And you are angry because you have no answer for the truth,instead you are going on about taxes.American was founded by immigrants who rape murdered and killed to take control of that land. Some of your major city's were built by black slaves.

You are all immigrants and should be classed as European Americans.:lmao:

Did you ignore the above post, because of what my ancestors did to make this country, we should let other people fuck us over? Are you really that stupid? On second thought - obviously you are, there's no way anyone else would think like you do. If you can call it thinking, go on being a retard, I've already given the solution. Don't let them use ANYTHING that we pay taxes for, untill they pay taxes. I don't care if they die because they can't go to a hospital, I don't care if they have to walk to their job, I don't care if they can't get an education. Guess what I get if I don't pay my taxes, A big fine and or jail time. So fuck them, and fuck you. There's a difference between liberal/civil rights etc, and just being an idiot, you've crossed that line.

[Red Sparrow]

Did you ignore the above post, because of what my ancestors did to make this country, we should let other people fuck us over? Are you really that stupid? On second thought - obviously you are, there's no way anyone else would think like you do. If you can call it thinking, go on being a retard, I've already given the solution. Don't let them use ANYTHING that we pay taxes for, untill they pay taxes. I don't care if they die because they can't go to a hospital, I don't care if they have to walk to their job, I don't care if they can't get an education. Guess what I get if I don't pay my taxes, A big fine and or jail time. So fuck them, and fuck you. There's a difference between liberal/civil rights etc, and just being an idiot, you've crossed that line.

The real problem becomes figuring out which one pay taxes, and which ones don't.

A great many illegals do pay quite a bit of taxes. A vastly larger chunk would be willing too if there was a way to pay taxes without risk; in particular if this allowed them some sort of security concerning deportation.

I still think the best path is to work them all into the tax system - and THEN get heavy handed on the ones that are still illegal.

Getting heavy handed right now just is not productive.

[ineluki]

Did you ignore the above post, because of what my ancestors did to make this country, we should let other people fuck us over? Are you really that stupid? On second thought - obviously you are, there's no way anyone else would think like you do. If you can call it thinking, go on being a retard, I've already given the solution. Don't let them use ANYTHING that we pay taxes for, untill they pay taxes. I don't care if they die because they can't go to a hospital, I don't care if they have to walk to their job, I don't care if they can't get an education. Guess what I get if I don't pay my taxes, A big fine and or jail time. So fuck them, and fuck you. There's a difference between liberal/civil rights etc, and just being an idiot, you've crossed that line.

Fuck you ,you Wessex pig. Your a bunch of hypocrites and i hope your fellow immigrants get fucked by as many illegals as possible ,you dumb wessex retard.What`s wrong dick,don`t you like the truth or are you wetting your pants thinking about more immigrants moving next door to you.

So it was ok for your immigrant ancestors to do it but now it`s another peoples turn ,you don`t like it, well tough luck asshole you can`t do shit about it.

Live with it because you can`t do anything about it. Your whole country, not counting the natives are a bunch of immigrants, some their by choice others bought there by force.:lmao:

[Haeso]

Fuck you ,you Wessex pig. Your a bunch of hypocrites and i hope your fellow immigrants get fucked by as many illegals as possible ,you dumb wessex retard.What`s wrong dick,don`t you like the truth or are you wetting your pants thinking about more immigrants moving next door to you.

So it was ok for your immigrant ancestors to do it but now it`s another peoples turn ,you don`t like it, well tough luck asshole you can`t do shit about it.

Live with it because you can`t do anything about it. Your whole country, not counting the natives are a bunch of immigrants, some their by choice others bought there by force.:lmao:

I live in maine you fuck, you know how many illegal immigrants take our jobs, or live up here? None. I don't care who they are, or what they do either. If they don't pay taxes, they shouldn't get anything I am required by law to pay taxes for in order to receive. If you cannot understand that, you're an idiot. What our ancestors did to the native americans, and then slavery, wasn't acceptable, but because of that you think we should let other people get free rides, people that in fact did no suffer for it? Native americans get plenty of kickbacks, people whoose culture was fucked yes. But people who did not actually suffer personally, are getting things for free, and you know, that's stupid too. Same with black people now wanting money for slavery, that's stupid, wanting equal rights is good, wanting money for something that happened to your ancestors is ridiculous. And we struggle giving them things they may or may not deserve.

Why the hell do people we NEVER did anything to, be getting a free ride in our country when the people we fucked over get either very little, or nothing. If we went and bombed the fuck out of mexico, then sure, they would deserve our help. But last time I checked, we haven't hurt their economy, we haven't put their people into poverty, we haven't screwed their health care system (Or lack of one). That was all their own doing and their countries doing. We're not responsible, we shouldn't be held responsible. I will never accept having to pay taxes for certain things, when other people get them for free. And it's even worse when these people only get deported for it. No, they should be put in jail and forced to work off their debt to society instead of being parasites. I certainly wish I could just stop paying taxes and have all that extra money and not be hassled about it.

[ineluki]

Ok, i see your point in some things,but fuck it, your country is doing enough raping and pillaging around the world so having some illegals coming into your country or should i say the natives country should not bother you. At least they are not coming to kill women and children or anyone else they decide is against the "american way".

You want to thank your lucky stars and fuck up stripes that they are not coming with F16 and rockets.

I say to all Mexicans..go to American and take as much as you can without giving anything or working or paying taxes.

Suffer you dumb fucks.:lmao:

[Haeso]

Ok, i see your point in some things,but fuck it, your country is doing enough raping and pillaging around the world so having some illegals coming into your country or should i say the natives country should not bother you. At least they are not coming to kill women and children or anyone else they decide is against the "american way".

You want to thank your lucky stars and fuck up stripes that they are not coming with F16 and rockets.

I say to all Mexicans..go to American and take as much as you can without giving anything or working or paying taxes.

Suffer you dumb fucks.:lmao:

Right because we're killing lots of civilians. Except for the fact that the vast majority of civilians dying around the world where we are, are people fighting us by terrorizing and killing their own people to gain support. If it wasn't for people fighting us, the quality of life in the countries we're occupying right now would in fact be higher.

[Pcheez]

It is difficult to migrate to the USA.

Go to canada instead, it is overall a better country where you can lead a good life.

[Mr.LichTwitch]

Which parts of the world was founded that way,obviously some but not all. As usual Americans are in denial about their uncomfortable pass. Don`t worry though because you can actually blame it on the British.

How's that denial? I didn't deny anything about my country's past. I'm well aware of the blood that was shed over here as I live in an area where a lot of conflict took place, not to mention right near the Mason Dixon Line. I was just saying that most people are absolute hypocrites when it comes to that argument because their country's past is no better. Conquest has been going on for thousands of years and people are quick to forget that America has only existed for a small fraction of that time.

[ineluki]

Right because we're killing lots of civilians. Except for the fact that the vast majority of civilians dying around the world where we are, are people fighting us by terrorizing and killing their own people to gain support. If it wasn't for people fighting us, the quality of life in the countries we're occupying right now would in fact be higher.

That`s just bullshit and you know it. Typical blind excuse from a dumb immigrant who doesn't like immigrants.You are talking shit man, listen to yourself.

These people can`t stand the fucking sight of you and the amount of killing you have done in these country's over the last 40 years is a joke.Who made you the world police and gave you the right to decide what`s good for other countries. Stay on your side of the fucking pond because no one likes you.

Your country is rotting from the inside and you are a superpower that is dying slowly but surely. In 10-15 years time Russia and china(china already our,lets hope they don`t call in that dept) plus India will be pimping your asses and you, mr i hate immigrants, will be begging to leave that country you claim to love so much.:lmao:

[Haeso]

That`s just bullshit and you know it. Typical blind excuse from a dumb immigrant who doesn't like immigrants.You are talking shit man, listen to yourself.

These people can`t stand the fucking sight of you and the amount of killing you have done in these country's over the last 40 years is a joke.Who made you the world police and gave you the right to decide what`s good for other countries. Stay on your side of the fucking pond because no one likes you.

Your country is rotting from the inside and you are a superpower that is dying slowly but surely. In 10-15 years time Russia and china(china already our,lets hope they don`t call in that dept) plus India will be pimping your asses and you, mr i hate immigrants, will be begging to leave that country you claim to love so much.:lmao:

So, brainwashing as a child, or just ignorance? If the country had accepted democracy instead of fighting it, they'd be better off than they are now. I'm not saying it was right to invade them, but don't go saying we're responsible for killing all those civilians, there are cases where we are of course. But the vast majority are terrorists/insurgents killing their own people and blaming us saying until we're gone they'll keep doing it without ever giving a real reason as to why.

Short version, if instead of fighting, they adapted, there would be one less cruel dictatorship and their quality of life would be better.

[SSguy]

bullshit.

thats why american citizens hang out waiting for the trucks right beside all of the immigrants.

They are only there because they can not afford cars.

If no one wants to work for you, the pay isn't high enough. Its the basic princple of supply and demand. Society decides what the job is worth, not you. If a company wants to pay a janitor 2 dollars an hour, and no legal citizen is applying, then the job is not being paid its considered value. If the company has a poor retention rate, then the job is not worth staying, raise benefits and salaries.

If our youth don't want the job, then again, its not paying high enough. Its not that we don't understand "hard labor" or have things spoonfed to us, its just we don't believe its worth the money being paid, because regardless of the pay, a backbreaking job is still backbreaking.

Raise prices, raise salary, apply economics and find the balance or go out of business because there is not enough demand....but breaking the law is not the answer.

[SSguy]

If you kicked out all your apple pickers a large portion of land would be converted to corn. If you don't have cheap labor then the only choice is to grow things that don't take a lot of cheap labor.

This would make the price of a great many things skyrocket. In my area its apples.

Not corn though.
Don't need workers for corn.

Expensive apples.
Cheap corn.
More fatass Americans.

Welcome to economics and capitalism. No demand = no supply. If no one wants apples, then no one grows apples. Can't keep up with the prices? Advance/innovate, switch crops, or close up shop and find a new job.

Can't have your cake and eat it too, or we'd still be using 486 processors.

[SSguy]

Fuck you ,you Wessex pig. Your a bunch of hypocrites and i hope your fellow immigrants get fucked by as many illegals as possible ,you dumb wessex retard.What`s wrong dick,don`t you like the truth or are you wetting your pants thinking about more immigrants moving next door to you.

So it was ok for your immigrant ancestors to do it but now it`s another peoples turn ,you don`t like it, well tough luck asshole you can`t do shit about it.

Live with it because you can`t do anything about it. Your whole country, not counting the natives are a bunch of immigrants, some their by choice others bought there by force.:lmao:

Native Americans != Mexicans, they have NO entitlement claims here. So even withthe fact our ancestors made mistakes, Mexicans would be claiming entitlement for something another race was victim to.

Thats like a white guy claiming slavery entitlements and reparations.

Also, don't forget, the native americans were allowed to kill us, and vica versa. If we could legally kill the mexicans, then I'd say you are right, but you aren't.

And lastly....being born here doesn't make you an immigrant. You aren't spouting the truth, just disgustingly twisting it and distorting the hell outta it.

[SSguy]

Ok, i see your point in some things,but fuck it, your country is doing enough raping and pillaging around the world so having some illegals coming into your country or should i say the natives country should not bother you. At least they are not coming to kill women and children or anyone else they decide is against the "american way".


They fill up like 80% of the jails in the heavily infested areas.......what the fuck are you talking about? MAybe your dumbass should actually live here or do some research before you post.......oh wait, this is forumfall....putting intelligence and thought into your post instead of spouting out bitter hatred because you are butthurt is blasphemy.

That`s just bullshit and you know it. Typical blind excuse from a dumb immigrant who doesn't like immigrants.You are talking shit man, listen to yourself.



These people can`t stand the fucking sight of you and the amount of killing you have done in these country's over the last 40 years is a joke.Who made you the world police and gave you the right to decide what`s good for other countries. Stay on your side of the fucking pond because no one likes you.



Your country is rotting from the inside and you are a superpower that is dying slowly but surely. In 10-15 years time Russia and china(china already our,lets hope they don`t call in that dept) plus India will be pimping your asses and you, mr i hate immigrants, will be begging to leave that country you claim to love so much.

They are a large chunk of the reason its rotting from the inside out.....
Not paying taxes
Draining our social/public benefits
Encouraging businesses to cheat the law and not pay their due taxes Bringing down our standard of living because they won't go fight for higher standards in their own country
Comitting crimes
Completly disrespecting our culture (Honestly, do you see any signs in french/russin/otherlanguage? no, only spanish/english)
And helping kill the credit market because greedy crediters gave them credit they couldn't repay and/or they lied on applications.
If someone gives you 2k in credit, you don't run up the bill when you are making less than minimum wage.

I mean holy shit, you can even go take a look at our border, its full of trash they leave behind.

Again, try researching the topic before you start spewing biased anti-american hatred, because the people you are trying to defend are a nice chunk of the problem.

[palo god]

Yes.

Don’t talk out of your ass, if anything we should reduce the amount of immigration. Our infrastructure cant handle all the new people coming into the system.

[gtechie]

If they don't pay taxes that's fine, but they shouldn't be allowed to use any public institution, public transportation etc. The things we pay for with taxes should be totally off limits with no exceptions untill they start paying taxes.
As far as illegal immigration goes, I don't hold it against the actual illegal immigrants. It's the U.S. government's fault that we're being flooded with illegals, so the blame deserves to be put on the U.S. government IMO.
I don't care who they are, or what they do either. If they don't pay taxes, they shouldn't get anything I am required by law to pay taxes for in order to receive. If you cannot understand that, you're an idiot. ... Wanting money for something that happened to your ancestors is ridiculous. And we struggle giving them things they may or may not deserve.

I will never accept having to pay taxes for certain things, when other people get them for free. And it's even worse when these people only get deported for it. No, they should be put in jail and forced to work off their debt to society instead of being parasites. I certainly wish I could just stop paying taxes and have all that extra money and not be hassled about it.

I wholeheartedly agree with these posts. I have a huge respect for people who go through the legal process and become a citizen. The people who leach off the system, though; they're the ones I have a problem with. And I don't blame them -- who can? They get free health care, keep all their income, get to keep their culture intact, etc...

I blame the American welfare society for illegal immigration. If we held everyone accountable for their own actions and quit giving handouts left and right, there would be no upside for the immigrants to come illegally.

A society in which someone can get something for nothing will never hold up -- it's only a matter of time until nobody does anything, and everyone still expects to have everything given to them. Who is John Galt?

[Erroneous]

People have so many misconceptions about immigrants, and the whole illegal thing is just a way for people to rationalize their xenophobia.

I think most of the immigrants coming to america legitimately want to work hard and improve their situation. Its a dangerous process immigrating illegally and expensive and time consuming to do it legally, our public services aren't all that much greater than whatever country they are coming from to make it worth it, but our opportunities are.

Now I do have a problem with a lot of first generation Americans born of immigrant families, they tend not to have the same mentality as their parents who bust their ass to make it. They are born into the American culture, but resent it sometimes and often have less marketable skills. Its these people that give immigrants a bad name.

[Lionlegs]

I've not seen so much hate since the Union collapsed.

Brothers, we is all comrades, it's our duty as people to help other people. And if they're commiting crimes, fine, America, but so are you. And you don't see anyone jailing your soldiers abroad.

What you are doing is stereotyping every poor farmer from Mexico and every poor man from India who wants to make a living in order to feed his family as scum. That's wrong.

[MattMystrieo]

They fill up like 80% of the jails in the heavily infested areas.......what the fuck are you talking about? MAybe your dumbass should actually live here or do some research before you post.......oh wait, this is forumfall....putting intelligence and thought into your post instead of spouting out bitter hatred because you are butthurt is blasphemy.



They are a large chunk of the reason its rotting from the inside out.....
Not paying taxes
Draining our social/public benefits
Encouraging businesses to cheat the law and not pay their due taxes Bringing down our standard of living because they won't go fight for higher standards in their own country
Comitting crimes
Completly disrespecting our culture (Honestly, do you see any signs in french/russin/otherlanguage? no, only spanish/english)
And helping kill the credit market because greedy crediters gave them credit they couldn't repay and/or they lied on applications.
If someone gives you 2k in credit, you don't run up the bill when you are making less than minimum wage.

I mean holy shit, you can even go take a look at our border, its full of trash they leave behind.

Again, try researching the topic before you start spewing biased anti-american hatred, because the people you are trying to defend are a nice chunk of the problem.

Why do you think the Mexicans are running from Mexico? Because you fucked it up when you agreed to free trade with the country so you could import cheaps goods millions of working class Mexicans were fucked, and what about the drugs? Well who do they sell them too?! You you Americans! If there was no demand there would be no supply.

"Land of Oppertunity". Bullshit. You treat forigners like crap and hate every other way of life, and your supposed to bring democracy to the world? Your "bringing of democracy has killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis and turned the entire region against you, and you say you "toppeled a evil regime" more bullshit propoganda fed to you by the media. Your bassically funded a terrorist state in Isreal for Christ's sake.

And every single American even on forumfall is to blinded by the yank propoganda your fed to see.

[[LoD] EE]

To the open Border idiots, three things in the news.

SAN DIEGO — A Mexican national wanted in a series of sexual-assault cases who had been deported from the country 10 times has been arrested, officials said Tuesday.

Carlos Ceron Salazar, 30, of Escondido, was booked into San Diego Central Jail Monday on charges of assault with intention to commit rape, mayhem and sexual battery in connection with a December 2006 attack on a woman who was jogging at Miramar Lake Recreation area, San Diego police said.

The victim told officers at the time that she was jogging on the north side of the lake about 12:25 p.m. when a man grabbed around the neck and forced her to the ground.

AND

MEXICO CITY (AP) -- Mexican prosecutors say they won a 60-year prison term for a human smuggler who helped about 200 people sneak into the U.S., including Hezbollah supporters.

Salim Boughader Mucharrafille was arrested in 2002 and convicted on organized-crime and immigrant-smuggling charges.

Boughader, a Mexican of Lebanese descent, ran a cafe in the city of Tijuana, across the border from San Diego, California.

Among those he smuggled were sympathizers of Hezbollah, a Lebanon-based group that U.S. authorities have labeled a terror organization.

AND

A suspect has been arrested in the bludgeoning death of a Pine Island man in the Pink Citrus Mobile Home Park off Stringfellow Road Christmas Day.

Antonio Resillas, 36, who officials say is an undocumented immigrant, was arrested Christmas night at approximately 10:15 p.m. and charged with second degree murder in the death of Francisco Bernal, 39, officials said.

Resillas was unable to provide investigators with a local address or phone number.

According to investigators, Resillas and Bernal were talking at Bernal's home at 113 Fifth St. when an argument broke out. Bernal was found fatally injured inside the home. At this point, it appears death was caused by blunt force trauma, officials said.

[Ziegler]

Illegal Invaders of my country....kill on sight.


Immigrants who wish to come to america and be part of the great society and add to it instead of bleed off of it....are welcome with open arms.

[palo god]

I've not seen so much hate since the Union collapsed.

Brothers, we is all comrades, it's our duty as people to help other people. And if they're commiting crimes, fine, America, but so are you. And you don't see anyone jailing your soldiers abroad.

What you are doing is stereotyping every poor farmer from Mexico and every poor man from India who wants to make a living in order to feed his family as scum. That's wrong.

No you're wrong I don't have an obligation to take on someone else’s burdens. speak for yourself and I'm not your "comrade". You know what the Mexicans do with their illegal immigrants? This double standard on illegal immigration needs to stop, and if you do come over here illegally then yes you are scum and should be forced to pay back all the money you leeched out of the system and then should be deported.

[Erroneous]

EE;2231850']
Carlos Ceron Salazar, 30, of Escondido, was booked into San Diego Central Jail Monday on charges of assault with intention to commit rape, mayhem and sexual battery in connection with a December 2006 attack on a woman who was jogging at Miramar Lake Recreation area, San Diego police said.


New New Year's Resolution: Being charged with intention to create mayhem

[Marrik]

I don't live in the US or have any knowledge on their immigration, but why the hell do people go there as illegal immigrants?

Is it really that hard to get in as a legal immigrant?

And imo US has the right to deport illegal immigrants.
Though I really don't know why they would even go to the US, it's not like their welfare/living conditions are that great..

answer: yes, it really is that hard. and yes, they should still be deported,because they are illegal. they are a drain on the system, getting welfare for their kids while not paying taxes.

[palo god]

Your bassically funded a terrorist state in Isreal for Christ's sake.

If Israel is a terrorist state then every country on earth is a terrorist state.

[MattMystrieo]

If Israel is a terrorist state then every country on earth is a terrorist state.

I'll just check..... Nope they still arent.

[palo god]

I'll just check..... Nope they still arent.

Why is Israel a terrorist state? I want to see just how full of shit you are compared to the other retards from yesterday.

[Lionlegs]

No you're wrong I don't have an obligation to take on someone else’s burdens. speak for yourself and I'm not your "comrade". You know what the Mexicans do with their illegal immigrants? This double standard on illegal immigration needs to stop, and if you do come over here illegally then yes you are scum and should be forced to pay back all the money you leeched out of the system and then should be deported.

That attitude is exactly what's wrong with the world. We all have an obligation to take on everyone's burdens. What happened with the nice people in America in the 60-70s? They get replaced by people like you. Don't worry - economic crisis will soon sort you out.

[gtechie]

"Land of Oppertunity". Bullshit. You treat forigners like crap and hate every other way of life, and your supposed to bring democracy to the world? Your "bringing of democracy has killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis and turned the entire region against you, and you say you "toppeled a evil regime" more bullshit propoganda fed to you by the media. Your bassically funded a terrorist state in Isreal for Christ's sake.

I agree that America's foreign policy is fucked up right now, and has been for my whole life (i'm 24). The idea of "bringing democracy to the world" is just an excuse for us to bully people around. The majority of Americans do eat the bullshit that the media feeds us. Iraq is a disgrace, and our continued support of Israel has been wrong from the beginning. The way we act around the world makes us easy to hate, and our actions have consequences.

But please don't say "everybody" and "all of us" and speak in generalities. Ron Paul had over a million people support him in the most recent election here, and the whole time he's been in congress (since the '70s) he's been talking about how fucked up our foreign policies are. During the primaries, I saw more of his signs than anyone else's!

But really, this thread is about immigration, not foreign policy. There are a LOT of things wrong with America right now... let's only focus on one, eh?

We all have an obligation to take on everyone's burdens.
Like hell we do. What happens when all the smart/successful people realize that it's easier to be unproductive and reap the fruits of other peoples labors than to do work themselves? Who is John Galt?

[palo god]

That attitude is exactly what's wrong with the world. We all have an obligation to take on everyone's burdens. What happened with the nice people in America in the 60-70s? They get replaced by people like you. Don't worry - economic crisis will soon sort you out.

This isn't socialism land where you get to dump all your problems on other people, learn to survive or die in a hole.

[MattMystrieo]

Why is Israel a terrorist state? I want to see just how full of shit you are compared to the other retards from yesterday.

Advanced air attacks (funded by you the American tax payer) on a nation that uses home made fucking bombs, now you may ask why bring this up well because Isreal is using extreme force to get its message across (terrorism...) and if you think there doing it in self defence you really are deluded by you blind patritism...

[[LoD] EE]

That attitude is exactly what's wrong with the world. We all have an obligation to take on everyone's burdens. What happened with the nice people in America in the 60-70s? They get replaced by people like you. Don't worry - economic crisis will soon sort you out.

The problem is, now we have our own problems which trumps the worlds problems. Once we take care of ours, then we can take care of others again. Personally I think that we should let everyone else learn to take care of themselves.

[Forgin]

That attitude is exactly what's wrong with the world. We all have an obligation to take on everyone's burdens. What happened with the nice people in America in the 60-70s? They get replaced by people like you. Don't worry - economic crisis will soon sort you out.

Lol you can't give free hugs to everyone..
And I dont have the obligation to take on someone else's burden lol.

[palo god]

Advanced air attacks (funded by you the American tax payer) on a nation that uses home made fucking bombs, now you may ask why bring this up well because Isreal is using extreme force to get its message across (terrorism...) and if you think there doing it in self defence you really are deluded by you blind patritism...

I don't want my tax dollars going anywhere but here at home, and you think Israel is the only country to ever use excessive force? And they are doing it in self defense if Israel wanted to they could take that whole region over in a few days.

[Lionlegs]

EE;2231913']The problem is, now we have our own problems which trumps the worlds problems. Once we take care of ours, then we can take care of others again. Personally I think that we should let everyone else learn to take care of themselves.

Oh no, you had to sell your fourth car because of the credit crunch? Damn, man, I am sorry. Nevermind all them children in most of the Southern Hemisphere who don't have anything to eat and are dying of diseases that have been curable for fifty years. I'm sure the regular citizen in the "developed" countries of the world has bigger problems to worry about than where to get their next meal.

[Forgin]

Oh no, you had to sell your fourth car because of the credit crunch? Damn, man, I am sorry. Nevermind all them children in most of the Southern Hemisphere who don't have anything to eat and are dying of diseases that have been curable for fifty years. I'm sure the regular citizen in the "developed" countries of the world has bigger problems to worry about than where to get their next meal.

I suggest you take the next plane to one of those countries and start feeding these kids RIGHT NOW! they is dying!

[palo god]

Oh no, you had to sell your fourth car because of the credit crunch? Damn, man, I am sorry. Nevermind all them children in most of the Southern Hemisphere who don't have anything to eat and are dying of diseases that have been curable for fifty years. I'm sure the regular citizen in the "developed" countries of the world has bigger problems to worry about than where to get their next meal.

Save the children! give us half your paycheck for the children!

[Barbarossa]

There are no immigrants coming to America, just foreign pieces of shit who come here illegally.

[[LoD] EE]

Oh no, you had to sell your fourth car because of the credit crunch? Damn, man, I am sorry. Nevermind all them children in most of the Southern Hemisphere who don't have anything to eat and are dying of diseases that have been curable for fifty years. I'm sure the regular citizen in the "developed" countries of the world has bigger problems to worry about than where to get their next meal.

Nope, only selling my 3rd car because of the crunch.

Well, perhaps your government should do something then right? Is it my job to work, pay taxes and then my tax money go to your country to save you from a 50 year long curable plague? You have had 50 years to do something about it and obvious have not, why blame me? Oh that is right, its easier to blame the USA than blame yourselves.

Educate yourselves.
Stop having so many children
Find something to export ( pity doesnt count )

[Henu989]

Oh no, you had to sell your fourth car because of the credit crunch? Damn, man, I am sorry. Nevermind all them children in most of the Southern Hemisphere who don't have anything to eat and are dying of diseases that have been curable for fifty years. I'm sure the regular citizen in the "developed" countries of the world has bigger problems to worry about than where to get their next meal.
Is it somehow the western world's fault that the developing countries can't get their shit together?

I mean ffs, how long is it gonna take them?

[gtechie]

Oh no, you had to sell your fourth car because of the credit crunch? Damn, man, I am sorry. Nevermind all them children in most of the Southern Hemisphere who don't have anything to eat and are dying of diseases that have been curable for fifty years. I'm sure the regular citizen in the "developed" countries of the world has bigger problems to worry about than where to get their next meal.

You're right that the people that you speak of need help. However, there is a difference between giving charity and having your money stolen from your government, who may or may not use it where you would prefer. It is not the American government's responsibility to help other nations in need; it is our personal responsibility to find charitable organizations that will help these people.

Plus, you're opening a whole new can of worms when you start talking about giving aid to countries... Lots of times, our aid we give does more long-term harm than good.

[Lionlegs]

I suggest you take the next plane to one of those countries and start feeding these kids RIGHT NOW! they is dying!

Actually, I've just returned from working in a Volunteer program in Ghana, and I'm heading over again in September.

Well, perhaps your government should do something then right? Is it my job to work, pay taxes and then my tax money go to your country to save you from a 50 year long curable plague? You have had 50 years to do something about it and obvious have not, why blame me? Oh that is right, its easier to blame the USA than blame yourselves.


I don't live in a developing country, I live in Scotland, but thanks for the heads up.

Plus, you're opening a whole new can of worms when you start talking about giving aid to countries... Lots of times, our aid we give does more long-term harm than good.

Giving pointless money can, indeed have both short-term and long-term harm effects, because borrowed money doesn't help anyone. The only way we can fix the world is to start at the places where help is needed most. Proper help, not just throwing money at it and forgetting.

[Rilman]

Its the same here in the UK, the problem isn't the immigrants, its the ammount of them.

The upper/middle classes say 'oh theyr'e here to do the manual work other ppl wont do whilst the working classes can't get jobs and if they have one already theyr'e wages are pushed even lower because an immigrant will work for much less making the poor<rich gap even worse than it is already. My wages have been dropped as from 1/1/09.

Most of the immigrants I have come across send most of theyr'e wages home so say they earn £300 a week and they send home half of that thats £150 a week times the amount of immigrants in the country, which here in the UK the government doesn't really know how many there are and give us some bullshit number which is probably about a quarter of how many are actually here.

Also crime will rise and has already, if you live in a country where you have a stable job and a reasonable income and a clean criminal record why would you want to move to another country?, how many Americans emmigrate to Mexico in comparison to the other way round?, so the majority of people youll get coming into your country is the poor and the criminal.

Here in the UK we have a tax paid health service, education and subsidised dental care all of which immigrants are able to get on entry to our country, add that to the money theyr'e sending out of the country and the social benefits theyr'e entitled to (for example they can claim child benefit for children that don't live here) and now tell me that theyr'e good for the economy.

As for the Africa conversation this post has evolved into do you people remember Band Aid? I believe that was 20 years ago or so now and things are still virtually the same over there, (in addition to writing off theyr'e debts to other countries) the problem is theyr'e government but i don't see us invading them to sort it out permanently, perhaps there's no oil or weapons of mass destruction there ...oh wait a minute.....

[palo god]

Actually, I've just returned from working in a Volunteer program in Ghana, and I'm heading over again in September.

Good for you, don't force your way of life on other people.

[[LoD] EE]

Actually, I've just returned from working in a Volunteer program in Ghana, and I'm heading over again in September.

Maybe, instead of volunteering, try getting a fucking job so you can buy your family vaccines so they wont die! Maybe buy a house or build one out of discarded boat and air plane parts. I mean Jesus man, you are crying about Americans with 3 cars and here you are, online bitching with your computer. I think those kids in Ghana would like to get online, give them your computer you rich fuck showoff! :lmao:

[Lionlegs]

EE;2231991']Maybe, instead of volunteering, try getting a fucking job so you can buy your family vaccines so they wont die! Maybe buy a house or build one out of discarded boat and air plane parts. I mean Jesus man, you are crying about Americans with 3 cars and here you are, online bitching with your computer. I think those kids in Ghana would like to get online, give them your computer you rich fuck showoff! :lmao:

Again, I live in Scotland, big man. Read my posts!

And yes, we do have computers here :eek:

EDIT: Oh, and I have a job.

Good for you, don't force your way of life on other people.

I'm not, I'm just saying people have time to go and do these things even during these difficult economic-crisis times.

[Henu989]

Actually, I've just returned from working in a Volunteer program in Ghana, and I'm heading over again in September.
Do tell us what it is that your volunteer work consists of?

Is it taking care of the orphans?
Building better housing?
Feeding people?

Other shit that the people that actually live there SHOULD be doing, but what you're doing for them?

[ineluki]

Why is Israel a terrorist state? I want to see just how full of shit you are compared to the other retards from yesterday.

Oh looky, i have been afk for a couple of hours and here we have palo fucking escobar talking the same old bullshit.

[Lionlegs]

Do tell us what it is that your volunteer work consists of?

Is it taking care of the orphans?
Building better housing?
Feeding people?

Other shit that the people that actually live there SHOULD be doing, but what you're doing for them?

I think you'll find it's difficult to dig wells and build houses when you've had no food for two weeks and only muddy water to drink for the past year. Why don't you try it out?

[Henu989]

I think you'll find it's difficult to dig wells and build houses when you've had no food for two weeks and only muddy water to drink for the past year. Why don't you try it out?
Pretty sure thats nature weeding out the population to a point where the surrounding habitat can sustain it..

It's a good thing.

[ineluki]

They fill up like 80% of the jails in the heavily infested areas.......what the fuck are you talking about? MAybe your dumbass should actually live here or do some research before you post.......oh wait, this is forumfall....putting intelligence and thought into your post instead of spouting out bitter hatred because you are butthurt is blasphemy.



They are a large chunk of the reason its rotting from the inside out.....
Not paying taxes
Draining our social/public benefits
Encouraging businesses to cheat the law and not pay their due taxes Bringing down our standard of living because they won't go fight for higher standards in their own country
Comitting crimes
Completly disrespecting our culture (Honestly, do you see any signs in french/russin/otherlanguage? no, only spanish/english)
And helping kill the credit market because greedy crediters gave them credit they couldn't repay and/or they lied on applications.
If someone gives you 2k in credit, you don't run up the bill when you are making less than minimum wage.

I mean holy shit, you can even go take a look at our border, its full of trash they leave behind.

Again, try researching the topic before you start spewing biased anti-american hatred, because the people you are trying to defend are a nice chunk of the problem.

Bottom line is,you can`t do nothing about illegal coming into your country,you can bitch and moan on this forum or wet your fucking nappy,their is nothing you can do about it. I hope they rape your country dry and bring over more of their relatives .

I hope none of them pay taxes and i really hope many of them move next door to your sorry ass.

[Lionlegs]

Pretty sure thats nature weeding out the population to a point where the surrounding habitat can sustain it..

It's a good thing.

Let's try it with your country, shall we? Anyone who's too young, too old or too feeble to go out hunting for themselves we'll just kill off?

[Ziegler]

Bottom line is,you can`t do nothing about illegal coming into your country,you can bitch and moan on this forum or wet your fucking nappy,their is nothing you can do about it. I hope they rape your country dry and bring over more of their relatives .

I hope none of them pay taxes and i really hope many of them move next door to your sorry ass.

ahhh...it's so cute when the insignificant peasants wail at the aristocracy....

[jonyak]

I think you'll find it's difficult to dig wells and build houses when you've had no food for two weeks and only muddy water to drink for the past year. Why don't you try it out?

because these idiots are all to ignorant and selfish to ever do that...

[BladeSLicer]

If they'd just learn some damn English I'd be fine with them. That's all I desire.

I do all that I can to avoid Miami these days.. Assholes speaking spanish and flying their Cuban flags. If they're so damn proud of Cuba they oughtta float their way back there.

[jonyak]

If they'd just learn some damn English I'd be fine with them. That's all I desire.

I do all that I can to avoid Miami these days.. Assholes speaking spanish and flying their Cuban flags. If they're so damn proud of Cuba they oughtta float their way back there.

shall we say that to the italians as well?? what about ever other immigrant in you shithole of a country... oh ya.. thats everyone.

[Henu989]

Let's try it with your country, shall we? Anyone who's too young, too old or too feeble to go out hunting for themselves we'll just kill off?
Thats pretty much how the country was founded..
No civilization gets just poofed into being, they start out as small communities that can sustain themselves and slowly grown as they advance and develop.

I don't see what the Africans are bitching about, I live in norther Europe and half the time it's winter here. At best my forefathers managed to get a single season of potatoes because nothing else grew and had to live on that for the rest of the year,

Africa on the other hand has wildlife, constant warmth, fruits and other such.
You're telling me that nobody there thought of "Hey, we're all starving and don't have a well. Maeby we should farm something and build a well." before they got to the point that they had nothing to drink or eat..

I don't have to die or live in poverty because the people that build my nation did that for me. It's just a phase that civilizations go trough.

[ineluki]

If they'd just learn some damn English I'd be fine with them. That's all I desire.

I do all that I can to avoid Miami these days.. Assholes speaking spanish and flying their Cuban flags. If they're so damn proud of Cuba they oughtta float their way back there.

Like your English is that good? The only true english is UK englig not some twisted version.

"Hey mom" hmm isn't Mum?:lmao: This is just one example of your pathetic go at English.

'ougtta' lol what the fuck does that mean?:bang:

[Erroneous]

Like your English is that good? The only true english is UK englig not some twisted version.

"Hey mom" hmm isn't Mum?:lmao: This is just one example of your pathetic go at English.

'ougtta' lol what the fuck does that mean?:bang:

What failure of a country are you from?

[Ziegler]

What failure of a country are you from?

probably some sheet head country.

[ineluki]

What failure of a country are you from?

I am from the UK fool,the same country that put your sorry asses on the map.:lmao:

[Erroneous]

I am from the UK fool,the same country that put your sorry asses on the map.:lmao:

Ok that's strange I like most brits, you must be poor or something to be so envious of the US.

[Rilman]

envious? you are kidding right ?

[ineluki]

Ok that's strange I like most brits, you must be poor or something to be so envious of the US.

Lol whats wrong,did you think i was going to say iran.:lmao: Poor ,yeah right,i live in Hampstead which is one of the most expensive places to live in the uk.

Oh,and just so we get something right,many Brits don`t like the US.Don`t believe everything that Tony Blair told you. I would say that 70% of Brits don`t like the US and that`s me being generous.

[palo god]

Lol whats wrong,did you think i was going to say iran.:lmao: Poor ,yeah right,i live in Hampstead which is one of the most expensive places to live in the uk.

Oh,and just so we get something right,many Brits don`t like the US.Don`t believe everything that Tony Blair told you. I would say that 70% of Brits don`t like the US and that`s me being generous.

Did your parents not beat you enough?

[[LoD] EE]

Lol whats wrong,did you think i was going to say iran.:lmao: Poor ,yeah right,i live in Hampstead which is one of the most expensive places to live in the uk.

Oh,and just so we get something right,many Brits don`t like the US.Don`t believe everything that Tony Blair told you. I would say that 70% of Brits don`t like the US and that`s me being generous.

Damned 200+ year grudges. Still pissed after you lost the war and then not happy we saved your asses in WW2. :p

[Rilman]

EE;2232138']Damned 200+ year grudges. Still pissed after you lost the war and then not happy we saved your asses in WW2. :p

aww come on! read some fucking history man!

[Lionlegs]

EE;2232138']Damned 200+ year grudges. Still pissed after you lost the war and then not happy we saved your asses in WW2. :p

Britain and the Soviet Union did all the work in WW2. The Americans came in at the end cos they felt bad (if only) and cos Pearl Harbour got bombed. And now you "saved" our asses?

[ineluki]

EE;2232138']Damned 200+ year grudges. Still pissed after you lost the war and then not happy we saved your asses in WW2. :p

Let me tell you how WW2 went.. America has never won any war...

America only began to send men into the war against Japan after Pearl Harbour, and the numbers and aid that America put into the world are pale in comparison to the massive war efforts conducted by Russia (who crushed Germany with 20 millions of ground troops), France (for its bitter, endless and determined self defence) and the UK.

The UK's air force and special forces were consistently very brave and effective (even though some of ground invasions of Germen held territory were ludicrously ill fated).
America did supply vast amounts of material goods, but it did not throw itself, or its soldiers, into combat wholeheartedly. America's most consistent aid was against the Japanese, and not until Japan attacked America directly, and even then America eventually resorted to the massively indiscriminate nuclear bombs rather than "waste" men on resolute Japan.


The USA appears to be very self-glorifying, and there are multiple generations in the UK, France and Europe who upset and angry at America's rewriting of history. Russia's men, France's entire population, and UK's air force, were the principal opponents of Germany, aided by American equipment (which for example was loaned and leased to the USSR, not merely given), for which the allies were grateful, but not tricked that the USA did not have its own interests at heart, like all countries in the ideologically-charged political atmosphere of the time. USAs entry to the war was forced, not chosen, their motives were self-defence not world-wide good such as was the case with UK, and their effort was slow and half-hearted, public opinion only turned in favour of the war at a very late date.

"In his war memoirs Churchill boasted that only in July 1944 did the British Empire yield to the United States in the number of divisions engaging the enemy. [...]The British and the American effort was dwarfed by the Soviets, who were then engaging about 70 per cent of all German divisions, something Churchill neglected entirely to mention. "
"The Army and the Home Front 1939-1945" by Alex Danchev
Essay compiled in the "Oxford History of the British Army"

There is an element of misunderstanding here, as Europeans consider World War 2 to be principally France, Europe, UK (with late American aid), Russia versus Germany, mostly forgetting about Japan. Whereas many American's will rightly remember Pearl Harbour and the Japanese more prominently, and probably give the combat in the Indonesian islands and the Pacific more importance than Europeans do.

So you see, you came into once the japs had owned your asses at pearl harbour.:lmao:

Keep deluding yourselves.

[ineluki]

Did your parents not beat you enough?

Did your mum like the Iranian geezer she meet, nine months before you were born.:lmao:

[Rilman]

aided by American equipment (which for example was loaned and leased to the USSR, not merely given),

I'd also like to add that these were at extortionate prices, this included Steel ect for building weapons and ships.


"The bulk of the war in Europe was fought on the Eastern Front and the end had been determined at Stalingrad before the first US troops saw action and Germany's fate had been sealed at Kursk and Smolensk before the western allies took Italy."

[jonyak]

don't forget the canadians!! we were there to help you through the whole thing!!

[Lionlegs]

Let me tell you how WW2 went.. America has never won any war...

America only began to send men into the war against Japan after Pearl Harbour, and the numbers and aid that America put into the world are pale in comparison to the massive war efforts conducted by Russia (who crushed Germany with 20 millions of ground troops), France (for its bitter, endless and determined self defence) and the UK.

The UK's air force and special forces were consistently very brave and effective (even though some of ground invasions of Germen held territory were ludicrously ill fated).
America did supply vast amounts of material goods, but it did not throw itself, or its soldiers, into combat wholeheartedly. America's most consistent aid was against the Japanese, and not until Japan attacked America directly, and even then America eventually resorted to the massively indiscriminate nuclear bombs rather than "waste" men on resolute Japan.


The USA appears to be very self-glorifying, and there are multiple generations in the UK, France and Europe who upset and angry at America's rewriting of history. Russia's men, France's entire population, and UK's air force, were the principal opponents of Germany, aided by American equipment (which for example was loaned and leased to the USSR, not merely given), for which the allies were grateful, but not tricked that the USA did not have its own interests at heart, like all countries in the ideologically-charged political atmosphere of the time. USAs entry to the war was forced, not chosen, their motives were self-defence not world-wide good such as was the case with UK, and their effort was slow and half-hearted, public opinion only turned in favour of the war at a very late date.

"In his war memoirs Churchill boasted that only in July 1944 did the British Empire yield to the United States in the number of divisions engaging the enemy. [...]The British and the American effort was dwarfed by the Soviets, who were then engaging about 70 per cent of all German divisions, something Churchill neglected entirely to mention. "
"The Army and the Home Front 1939-1945" by Alex Danchev
Essay compiled in the "Oxford History of the British Army"

There is an element of misunderstanding here, as Europeans consider World War 2 to be principally France, Europe, UK (with late American aid), Russia versus Germany, mostly forgetting about Japan. Whereas many American's will rightly remember Pearl Harbour and the Japanese more prominently, and probably give the combat in the Indonesian islands and the Pacific more importance than Europeans do.

So you see, you came into once the japs had owned your asses at pearl harbour.:lmao:

Keep deluding yourselves.

The correct account of history.

[palo god]

Did your mum like the Iranian geezer she meet, nine months before you were born.:lmao:

Talking about your parents isn't nice, based on how you act and your lack of knowledge in other threads I'm guessing you're still in school. Its ok though I'm sure the school kids beat your ass enough. poor fella is just venting his abuse via E-rage.

[jonyak]

Talking about your parents isn't nice, based on how you act and your lack of knowledge in other threads I'm guessing you're still in school.

ok, next... question his grammar...

[Rilman]

erm, ok, so we didnt win the war after all but you cant spell !

:bang:

[ineluki]

Talking about your parents isn't nice, based on how you act and your lack of knowledge in other threads I'm guessing you're still in school.

What`s wrong ? you want to give it out but you can`t handle it given back to you.:lmao:

My lack of knowledge? yeah ok. I am guessing you are in some club called the blue oyster get some of that special treatment you yanks love so much.:eek:

[palo god]

What`s wrong ? you want to give it out but you can`t handle it given back to you.:lmao:

My lack of knowledge? yeah ok. I am guessing you are in some club called the blue oyster get some of that special treatment you yanks love so much.:eek:

Cant handle it lol? You're talking about an internet forum not some fight club.

[ineluki]

ok, next... question his grammar...

Nothing wrong with it.

Oh wait, your from Canada,the Canadians who were helping us all through the war.:lmao:

[ineluki]

Cant handle it lol? You're talking about an internet forum not some fight club.

Are you still in that club.:lmao:

[palo god]

Are you still in that club.:lmao:

You don't even make sense, come back when your balls drop.

[Sarukia]

And I say you're an idiot who probably doesn't have to pay taxes yet. How's college? Or you still live with your parents. Or are you simply a bleeding heart dumbfuck. If someone can get the benefits of what I pay taxes for, why the FUCK should I have to pay taxes?

And here's a tip dumbass, if nobody paid taxes, we'd be in some seriously bad shit.

Your right I don't pay taxes and never will. I can't go out into public because if around people I become extreamly stressed and I could black out. Causing me to act on agressive instinct which may make me kill somone eventully making me a serial killer. So I spend pretty much my entire life in this room no friends or anything. Even if I did pay taxes I would still feel the same way about the whole immagrant thing.
You are also right in that if no one payed taxes things would be bad. Also thanks for you'r e taxes they keep me from becomming a demon. "My term for demon a being or creature who kills for the sake of killing." Ofcourse then i'd be in jail or a mental hospital and instead of 900$ a month of tax payer's money it would cost far far more to keep me locked up. I would love to have friends and a job wouldn't mind paying taxes either but its not gonna happen.

[Erroneous]

My lack of knowledge? yeah ok. I am guessing you are in some club called the blue oyster get some of that special treatment you yanks love so much.:eek:

Do you mean the blue oyster cult?

[jonyak]

Your right I don't pay taxes and never will. I can't go out into public because if around people I become extreamly stressed and I could black out. Causing me to act on agressive instinct which may make me kill somone eventully making me a serial killer. So I spend pretty much my entire life in this room no friends or anything. Even if I did pay taxes I would still feel the same way about the whole immagrant thing.
You are also right in that if no one payed taxes things would be bad. Also thanks for you'r e taxes they keep me from becomming a demon. "My term for demon a being or creature who kills for the sake of killing." Ofcourse then i'd be in jail or a mental hospital and instead of 900$ a month of tax payer's money it would cost far far more to keep me locked up. I would love to have friends and a job wouldn't mind paying taxes either but its not gonna happen.

Ammon??

sounds like you need to be in an institution...

or at least chill the fuck out.

[ineluki]

EE;2232138']Damned 200+ year grudges. Still pissed after you lost the war and then not happy we saved your asses in WW2. :p

You have gone quiet about the war,have you just realised your history teacher lied to you.Was it a family member who deluded you in to thinking the US won ww2.:lmao:

[ineluki]

You don't even make sense, come back when your balls drop.

You know you understand what i mean,all of a sudden you are talking about balls.

Are you sure your not in that club.:lmao:

[Razel]

welp here's how i see it. Most likely obama will declare all these 'illegals' citizens. The lawls will begin when these new 'citizens' lose half their paychecks to taxes.

[palo god]

You know you understand what i mean,all of a sudden you are talking about balls.

Are you sure your not in that club.:lmao:

I'm sorry my mistake, you cant relate since you have none. I hear there is surgery for your condition, its not too late.

[ineluki]

I'm sorry my mistake, you cant relate since you have none.

Hmmm, you are losing ground here,i expected more from you pablo.:lmao:

[Erroneous]

You have gone quiet about the war,have you just realised your history teacher lied to you.Was it a family member who deluded you in to thinking the US won ww2.:lmao:

I'll defend the US interpretation of the war if no one else will. While the relative size of our force and the hardships we bore during WWII may not have been equal to the other allies, it was when we entered that the tide began to shift. I think it is difficult to say that the British could have continued to hold off invasion if the US didn't enter the war, so we did save your ass in a way.

[palo god]

Hmmm, you are losing ground here,i expected more from you pablo.:lmao:

No I'm not losing ground you're just running out of things to say. I also expected more from a kid that has nothing to do but fail at trolling on an internet forum...... oh wait.

[Synika]

No I'm not losing ground you're just running out of things to say. I also expected more from a kid that has nothing to do but fail at trolling on an internet forum...... oh wait.

Lmao he gave an incredibly accurate account of history, you sir are the troll.

[ineluki]

No I'm not losing ground you're just running out of things to say. I also expected more from a kid that has nothing to do but fail at trolling on an internet forum...... oh wait.

Hmm,you are desperate aren't you Pablo,now i am a troll. You sound more pathetic with each post. Have you got a pair of balls stuck in your month or did the Iranian thing slow you down.:ohno:

[palo god]

Lmao he gave an incredibly accurate account of history, you sir are the troll.

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Oxford UK

[Synika]

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Oxford UK

Ho shit owned!

[Ziegler]

Did your mum like the Iranian geezer she meet(met), nine months before you were born.:lmao:

Nothing wrong with it.

Oh wait, your(you're) from Canada,the Canadians who were helping us all through the war.:lmao:

You're a fine example of excellant education standards in jolly ole UK.

you oughta try on some o'dat dere book lernin........:rolleyes:

[palo god]

Hmm,you are desperate aren't you Pablo,now i am a troll. You sound more pathetic with each post. Have you got a pair of balls stuck in your month or did the Iranian thing slow you down.:ohno:

You were entertaining on the first few posts. Come on ill even give you some time to post, I know you can come up with something better then that.

[Synika]

palo god
2000+ retarded comments & uses of copy and paste

[ineluki]

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Oxford UK

And?

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Tucson, Arizona

2000+posts in 9 months and you are not a troll.:confused:

[ineluki]

You're a fine example of excellant education standards in jolly ole UK.

you oughta try on some o'dat dere book lernin........:rolleyes:

Nah, i am just lazy sometimes.

Nice try though..:lmao:

[palo god]

And?

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Tucson, Arizona

2000+posts in 9 months and you are not a troll.:confused:

Nope

[Synika]

You're a fine example of excellant education standards in jolly ole UK.

you oughta try on some o'dat dere book lernin........:rolleyes:

Btw dosn't the US have a higher percentage of underachievers and uneducated than the UK?

[Ziegler]

Nah, i am just lazy sometimes.


You sure you aint american?

[Ziegler]

Btw dosn't the US have a higher percentage of underachievers and uneducated than the UK?

I dont know, I'm too lazy to look it up and two busy screwing my sister and to busy killing mexicans . :cool:

[Synika]

I dont know, I'm too lazy to look it up and two busy screwing my sister and to busy killing mexicans . :cool:

Fair enough

[ineluki]

You sure you aint american?

Damn, you're bright,how long did it take you to figure that out.

It`s ain`t not aint.:lmao:

Perhaps you need to have a look at that book.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ain%E2%80%99t

You sure ain`t British.

[ineluki]

I dont know, I'm too lazy to look it up and two busy screwing my sister and to busy killing mexicans . :cool:

You forgot about lynching blacks for looking at your fat white women.

[Ziegler]

You forgot about lynching blacks for looking at your fat white women.

nah...my brutha has that chore this week being as he's tha devout christian in tha family and this being the holydays an all.

[ineluki]

nah...my brutha has that chore this week being as he's tha devout christian in tha family and this being the holydays an all.

Hmm, ain`t your brother just swell.

Swells a yank word ain`t it or is it aint.

Did you look at that book or do you just except you got owned.

brutha? holydays? man, you really are thick.

You wish you would of kept your face out of this thread now,don`t you.

[Rilman]

I'll defend the US interpretation of the war if no one else will. While the relative size of our force and the hardships we bore during WWII may not have been equal to the other allies, it was when we entered that the tide began to shift. I think it is difficult to say that the British could have continued to hold off invasion if the US didn't enter the war, so we did save your ass in a way.

erm which part of this did you not understand ?

re-read ineluki's post and take note of the Russian part please.

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=97004&page=8

[Erroneous]

erm which part of this did you not understand ?

re-read ineluki's post and take note of the Russian part please.

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=97004&page=8

Germany could have maintained its eastern border and still conquered Britain if the US did not enter the war.

[ineluki]

erm which part of this did you not understand ?

re-read ineluki's post and take note of the Russian part please.

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=97004&page=8

He is in denial and it just eats him up knowing that he is wrong. I don`t know what grandpa told him but he obviously holds it dear to his heart.

I guess it`s hard to except that you have been lied to but then again, Americans are always being lied to. This is why they see no wrong in what their government does around the world.

[Justinian]

People going to america looking for opportunities and a better condition for his family or people draining my tax money and causing lots of crimes?

sry about my english

people are people. I like to think most Americans still subscribe to this ideal - it's ingrained in our culture. We take kindly to anyone.

[palo god]

He is in denial and it just eats him up knowing that he is wrong. I don`t know what grandpa told him but he obviously holds it dear to his heart.

I guess it`s hard to except that you have been lied to but then again, Americans are always being lied to. This is why they see no wrong in what their government does around the world.

And your government isn't corrupt?

[Erkki]

yeah thanks for your help usa, but please remember that you didnt save EUROPE as a whole for example my country finland. we were infact saved by germans in a way, they helped us a ton against russia. unfortunately we had to backstab them at the end though :D

[Rilman]

Germany could have maintained its eastern border and still conquered Britain if the US did not enter the war.


So what about the Russians then? they wouldn't have invaded Germany? your delusional about what actually happened and about your country and its ethics.

[ineluki]

Germany could have maintained its eastern border and still conquered Britain if the US did not enter the war.

Rubbish.:lmao:

[Desperado[1G]]

So what about the Russians then? they wouldn't have invaded Germany? your delusional about what actually happened and about your country and its ethics.

Russia would have folded in a matter of months without US supplies


Also, ethics has no place in war. It's fucking war.

[Erroneous]

So what about the Russians then? they wouldn't have invaded Germany? your delusional about what actually happened and about your country and its ethics.

The problem germany had was fighting an offensive war against russia, I belive most historians believe they could have defended against russian advances if they stayed defensvie on that front especially if they didnt have to deal with the western and southern fronts where advances were only really possible with US aid.

[[LoD] EE]

Let me tell you how WW2 went..

<novel>

Keep deluding yourselves.

I guess the :p was missed, you didnt need to write a book to my messing with ya.

[ineluki]

And your government isn't corrupt?

Oh look, it`s pablo again,i thought you had gone quietly but i guess i was wrong.:lmao:

All governments are corrupt in one way or another, your point is?

[[LoD] EE]

You have gone quiet about the war

Busy taking care of things around the house, sorry.. other things more important that you ;)

[Ddraiglais]

If it is illegal immigration, then they need to be deported. If done legally, then that's kinda what this country was built on. One side note is that immigration needs to be fair. It's not at this time. The laws are set up in favor of third world immigrants. Immigrating from Western Europe is extremely difficult. It should be equal and fair.

[Desperado[1G]]

Being king of the hill is very lonely :(

[ineluki]

EE;2232624']Busy taking care of things around the house, sorry.. other things more important that you ;)

Ok.:lmao:

[palo god]

Oh look, it`s pablo again,i thought you had gone quietly but i guess i was wrong.:lmao:

All governments are corrupt in one way or another, your point is?

My point is you talk about our government being corrupt yet I never see you talk about your own government. I still didn't get that witty reply back from you yet.

[Rilman]

Ah come on you US guys, be honest to yourselves and realistic, just because you saved the world in your movies doesn't make it true. You turned up at the end when the war was already won (Germany was basically beaten after its total failure to invade Russia), try to claim all the glory and then nuked mainly innocent civillians in an already defeated country to show how powerful you were to the rest of the world (mainly a show of power to Russia) with your new toy. That my American friends is the truth no matter how you try to percieve it.

[Desperado[1G]]

Ah come on you US guys, be honest to yourselves and realistic, just because you saved the world in your movies doesn't make it true. You turned up at the end when the war was already won (Germany was basically beaten after its total failure to invade Russia), try to claim all the glory and then nuked mainly innocent civillians in an already defeated country to show how powerful you were to the rest of the world (mainly a show of power to Russia) with your new toy. That my American friends is the truth no matter how you try to percieve it.

Is this what they teach in UK schools? I sincerely hope not.

[[LoD] EE]

If it is illegal immigration, then they need to be deported. If done legally, then that's kinda what this country was built on. One side note is that immigration needs to be fair. It's not at this time. The laws are set up in favor of third world immigrants. Immigrating from Western Europe is extremely difficult. It should be equal and fair.

Immigration is fair. Let in those who can help build the nation. You cant expect a nation to let in 500,000 people a year who have no education, cant speak the language and their aspirations for life is to clean toilets or work fast food. Doctors, nurses, Engineers, those people get served first when it comes to immigration, if anything else is left, then we let in the toilet cleaners.

[Erroneous]

Rubbish.:lmao:

You would be speaking german if it weren't for prominent US involvement in the Sicilian invasion, D-Day, the battle of the bulge, our industrial output during the war, the list goes on. We may have had fewer numbers through the course of the war, but our numbers were crucial to the outcome.

[Rilman]

;2232660']Is this what they teach in UK schools? I sincerely hope not.

what something that resembles the truth? heaven forbid.

[Justinian]

could it be that WWII was a war between governments and had little to do with the people involved?

Keynes and his disciples had a solution to the liquidity trap: increased government spending and monetary inflation. This debases the currency, forcing hoarders to spend. The process by which this was accomplished, worldwide, was World War II. In the name of the war effort, every nation authorized its central bank to inflate.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north672.html

/thread

[Desperado[1G]]

what something that resembles the truth? heaven forbid.

Wow, you are so deluded it's almost painful.

[ineluki]

My point is you talk about our government being corrupt yet I never see you talk about your own government. I still didn't get that witty reply back from you yet.

Hmm, did i mention the word corrupt in my post? pablo,pablo,stop making things up to win the day.I know, you are going to say "you meant that though blah blah" did i?.

Did i mention the word corrupt in my posts, a straight yes or no will do.:lmao:

[Justinian]

The sheeple take the governments' lines hook, line, and sinker. It's a goddamn shame.

World War I was called "The Great Betrayal" exactly for this reason. Just as people began to wake up and realize that governments were causing all the problems, they united under an arbitrary flag and fought another group of people organized under another arbitrary flag.

Goddamn shame.

[Rilman]

;2232673']Wow, you are so deluded it's almost painful.


and reading the us guys threads theyr'e not deluded ? ok so i'm wrong the usa saved the world, well done.

:bang:

[ineluki]

could it be that WWII was a war between governments and had little to do with the people involved?



http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north672.html

/thread

Another American using copy and paste tactics.:bang:

[Desperado[1G]]

and reading the us guys threads theyr'e not deluded ? ok so i'm wrong the usa saved the world, well done.

:bang:

We didn't do it all by ourselves you asshat

[Rilman]

;2232716']We didn't do it all by ourselves you asshat


No, you didn't, I'm well aware of that, were making progress then.


the origianal statement made that started this was:

"Damned 200+ year grudges. Still pissed after you lost the war and then not happy we saved your asses in WW2. "

[palo god]

Hmm, did i mention the word corrupt in my post? pablo,pablo,stop making things up to win the day.I know, you are going to say "you meant that though blah blah" did i?.

Did i mention the word corrupt in my posts, a straight yes or no will do.:lmao:

I meant specifically.

[ineluki]

Off topic for a sec...

Do you know what i am really looking forward to? when we are playing DF and you yanks are getting serious freaking lag(make no mistake you will) and us Euros killing your asses.

Lets hope they don`t have a server in the US for 6 months,it will really be great killing your sorry asses.

back to topic..

You yanks couldn't organize a wank in a brothel,so saving the world is out of the question.:eek:

[Desperado[1G]]

tough guy alert

I bet all your eMuscles get the pretty buck-toothed english girls wet, eh?

[[LoD] EE]

Off topic for a sec...

Do you know what i am really looking forward to? when we are playing DF and you yanks are getting serious freaking lag(make no mistake you will) and us Euros killing your asses.

Lets hope they don`t have a server in the US for 6 months,it will really be great killing your sorry asses.

back to topic..

You yanks couldn't organize a wank in a brothel,so saving the world is out of the question.:eek:

We saved your asses, remember WW2? :D

Sorry, I had to do that, at least one more time.

[ineluki]

I meant specifically.

Ok,i though you would say something like that.Pablo,you give me such a laugh,your desperation is predictable.:lmao:

[Rilman]

EE;2232776']We saved your asses, remember WW2? :D

Sorry, I had to do that, at least one more time.

oh shut up lol

[Sorontar]

I don't live in a developing country, I live in Scotland, but thanks for the heads up.


I beg to differ ;)

What work were you doing in Ghana? I'll ask the folks to pop along next time and see you.

[Synika]

;2232660']Is this what they teach in UK schools? I sincerely hope not.

How else do you justify a nuke?

[palo god]

Ok,i though you would say something like that.Pablo,you give me such a laugh,your desperation is predictable.:lmao:

You don't know what you're talking about do you?

[Desperado[1G]]

How else do you justify a nuke?

Millions of lives saved on both sides doesn't count?

[Synika]

;2232793']millions of lives saved on both sides doesn't count?

lmao!

[Erkki]

EE;2232776']We saved your asses, remember WW2? :D

Sorry, I had to do that, at least one more time.

great, but please read my previous post, you didnt save whole europe. but indeed we have to be grateful to some of you yanks but i doubt it has anything to do with present, in my opinion europe should lean towards russia more if we want a truely powerful ally, nato agreements should be burned

[ineluki]

They talk about WMD, yet they are the only people who have used such weapons,all because they had the shit kicked out of them at pearl harbour.:lmao:

[Justinian]

this thread sucks.

[Synika]

great, but please read my previous post, you didnt save whole europe. but indeed we have to be grateful to some of you yanks but i doubt it has anything to do with present, in my opinion europe should lean towards russia more if we want a truely powerful ally, nato agreements should be burned

I think the US and UK should stop bloody arming Israel - and sort out bloody Gaza before its population is wiped out, or 'cleansed' I think the Zionists would call it.

[ineluki]

I think the US and UK should stop bloody arming Israel - and sort out bloody Gaza before its population is wiped out, or 'cleansed' I think the Zionists would call it.

I agree, but if we start talking about that,this thread will get closed.

[Desperado[1G]]

They talk about WMD, yet they are the only people who have used such weapons,all because they had the shit kicked out of them at pearl harbour.:lmao:

Yea, it's not like we defeated the Japanese in the pacific theatre, and pushed them back to their mainland or anything :rolleyes:

go away troll, and take your life-partner Syniqueer with you.

[Dredgon]

How does america see the immigrants

Cheap food

[[LoD] EE]

EE;2232776']We saved your asses, remember WW2? :D

Sorry, I had to do that, at least one more time.

Great, but please read my previous post, you didnt save whole europe. but indeed we have to be grateful to some of you yanks but i doubt it has anything to do with present, in my opinion europe should lean towards russia more if we want a truely powerful ally, nato agreements should be burned



Missed something?

[Erkki]

maby breakfast, not sure

[Synika]

;2232842']Yea, it's not like we defeated the Japanese in the pacific theatre, and pushed them back to their mainland or anything :rolleyes:

go away troll, and take your life-partner Syniqueer with you.

If you defeated them, why the nuke tho? Seriously what justifies wiping out millions of lives in a flash of light and then leaving the nearby survivors to deal with radiation poisoning and mutations in thier offspring? Oh yea thats right just the old scare tactics there.

9/11 pales in comparison to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Edit: spelling error

[ineluki]

;2232842']Yea, it's not like we defeated the Japanese in the pacific theatre, and pushed them back to their mainland or anything :rolleyes:

go away troll, and take your life-partner Syniqueer with you.

Typical American,who doesn't like the truth so he wants people to leave the thread,go fuck yourself asshat. If it`s to hot for you to handle then fuck off back to mmorpg.com where threads like these are shut down.:bang:

Yeah, you defeated them by nuking them. You could not handle the kamikaze so you decided to nuke them ,plus you were bottless to send your ground troops to far in.

Seems like many of you have been listening to grandpas story's to long.

I know all about it.

[Ziegler]

Hmm, ain`t your brother just swell.

Swells a yank word ain`t it or is it aint.

Did you look at that book or do you just except you got owned.

brutha? holydays? man, you really are thick.

You wish you would of kept your face out of this thread now,don`t you.

*chuckles* too high brow a humor for you, chum? I was just playing the part of your sterotypical view of americans. Hope it helped to cement your hatred of us.

Now where were we? Oh yeah, how americans bitchslapped the world twice after getting sucker punched.

[ineluki]

*chuckles* too high brow a humor for you, chum? I was just playing the part of your sterotypical view of americans. Hope it helped to cement your hatred of us.

Now where were we? Oh yeah, how americans bitchslapped the world twice after getting sucker punched.

You are doing it again,bitch slapped is two words not one.:bang:

Ziegler,ziegler,it`s` so obvious it`s a joke.:lmao:

[Erroneous]

You are doing it again,bitch slapped is two words not one.:bang:

Ziegler,ziegler,it`s` so obvious it`s a joke.:lmao:

You must be a lot of fun at parties...

[ineluki]

You must be a lot of fun at parties...

How long did it take you to think that one up.:idea:

[Erroneous]

How long did it take you to think that one up.:idea:

Considering I posted less than a minute after you, not long.

[palo god]

How long did it take you to think that one up.:idea:

Probably the same amount of time it takes you to dodge a question.

[Rilman]

Hmm, the 9/11 comment made me think tbh, if somone did that to my country (which they have in a smaller scale; London) I'd have nuked half of the eastern world if there had of been no nuclear repercussions, rather like Japan.

[ineluki]

Considering I posted less than a minute after you, not long.

Wow,you are really quick.:eek:

[Erkki]

Hmm, the 9/11 comment made me think tbh, if somone did that to my country (which they have in a smaller scale; London) I'd have nuked half of the eastern world if there had of been no nuclear repercussions, rather like Japan.

ive been thinking lately that, what makes country free, in my opinion is that it doesnt even need an army, but partly that is thanks to american army so its pretty stupid to mog them like i have

[Synika]

Hmm, the 9/11 comment made me think tbh, if somone did that to my country (which they have in a smaller scale; London) I'd have nuked half of the eastern world if there had of been no nuclear repercussions, rather like Japan.

Nothing justifies a nuke, I'm sorry if you can't see the massive difference in numbers.

[Erroneous]

Wow,you are really quick.:eek:

My postcount isn't going to increase its self.

[Carl Ragadamn]

If you defeated them, why the nuke tho? Seriously what justifies wiping out millions of lives in a flash of light and then leaving the nearby survivors to deal with radiation poisoning and mutations in thier offspring? Oh yea thats right just the old scare tactics there.

9/11 pales in comparison to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Edit: spelling error

The nukes are what broke the back of the Japanese will to fight, and saved the US from having to go into a full scale invasion of the Mainland. Any invasion would have cost tens of thousands of US lives.

The difference between 9/11 and the US nuking Japan is that we were at war (and they started it, even if we did alot of things that caused them to attack first).

I suggest you l2history and stop being such a whiny bitch.

[Rilman]

Nothing justifies a nuke, I'm sorry if you can't see the massive difference in numbers.

No, your right, but I am a vengeful God!

:D

[Desperado[1G]]

Nothing justifies a nuke, I'm sorry if you can't see the massive difference in numbers.

Hundreds of thousands of Japanese and American lives does

I'm sorry you hate the US, but this is one of the worst arguments to use against us.

[ineluki]

Hmm, the 9/11 comment made me think tbh, if somone did that to my country (which they have in a smaller scale; London) I'd have nuked half of the eastern world if there had of been no nuclear repercussions, rather like Japan.

I would make the people or organisation who did it pay not innocent people. Let`s look at 9/11 shall we,was it the shock of the two towers or the 3000+ people who died.

The numbers are not that great even though i don`t agree with anything like that but it`s over exaggerated. It`s the symbol of the two towers burning that people remember most not the 3000+ deaths.

Looks what`s happened since then? how many innocent people have died since 9/11,people who have nothing to do with it.

Yes the yanks talk about terrorist and dictators yet they suck the shit out of Saudi Arabia ass ? come on it`s one big con and only the dumb yank public can`t see it.

Shall i list the bullshit that the Saudis have committed in their own country and abroad.

[Synika]

Btw talking about Nukes, you know the US government has some nukes pointing at thier own country. lol talk about paranoid...and these guys + the other nucleur armed governments whom are nearly on par with them, pretty much hold the fate of humanity in thier hands. Quite scary really.

[ineluki]

The nukes are what broke the back of the Japanese will to fight, and saved the US from having to go into a full scale invasion of the Mainland. Any invasion would have cost tens of thousands of US lives.

The difference between 9/11 and the US nuking Japan is that we were at war (and they started it, even if we did alot of things that caused them to attack first).

I suggest you l2history and stop being such a whiny bitch.

The nukes won it for the yanks,if they didn't nuke they would of lost like they have lost every war they have ever started.

[Rilman]

Anyway, happy new year, I'm off out to get smashed, hope you all have/had a good night. :)

[Carl Ragadamn]

Nothing justifies a nuke, I'm sorry if you can't see the massive difference in numbers.

Would you have prefered we fought every man woman and child door to door and town to town, until we had killed enough that they would stop the war? The cost in civilian lives would have dwarfed the nuke damages. The Japanese people would have all fought to the death to repel the Allies.

[Nafelos]

Immigrants make me proud to be an American.

[Lionlegs]

;2233019']Hundreds of thousands of Japanese and American lives does

I'm sorry you hate the US, but this is one of the worst arguments to use against us.

Erm.

I'm from the Soviet Union, from Russia. We lost 40 million people in that war, double everyone else combined. Now. Germany and allies had already surrendered, and Japan either also surrendered or about to (correct me if I'm wrong [non-Americans, please] ) when that nuke was dropped. Your argument about the saving of lives therefore doesn't apply. Furthermore, Japan is still suffering the consequences of that nuke. Even in war, I would hate to do something inhumane to whoever I was fighting. The nuke, to the already surrendered Japan, was just a big way of flexing your epeen. At the cost of lives.

[Erroneous]

Erm.

I'm from the Soviet Union, from Russia. We lost 40 million people in that war, double everyone else combined. Now. Germany and allies had already surrendered, and Japan either also surrendered or about to (correct me if I'm wrong [non-Americans, please] ) when that nuke was dropped. Your argument about the saving of lives therefore doesn't apply. Furthermore, Japan is still suffering the consequences of that nuke. Even in war, I would hate to do something inhumane to whoever I was fighting. The nuke, to the already surrendered Japan, was just a big way of flexing your epeen. At the cost of lives.

I'm American, but you are wrong, very very wrong.

[ineluki]

Would you have prefered we fought every man woman and child door to door and town to town, until we had killed enough that they would stop the war? The cost in civilian lives would have dwarfed the nuke damages. The Japanese people would have all fought to the death to repel the Allies.

If you did that you would not have won ,so don`t make out like you could of won it by ground forces.What do they teach you in your yank history classes.:bang:

[Gurrak]

Funny seeing americans talking about immigrants xD

[ineluki]

I'm American, but you are wrong, very very wrong.

Why is he wrong asshat,explain instead of getting emotional.:idea:

[Desperado[1G]]

If you did that you would not have won ,so don`t make out like you could of won it by ground forces.What do they teach you in your yank history classes.:bang:

Awesome argument dude.

"OH BUT IF YOU HADN'T USED WEAPONS AT YOUR DISPOSAL YOU WOULD HAVE LOST LOL"

Shut the fuck up

[Carl Ragadamn]

Erm.

I'm from the Soviet Union, from Russia. We lost 40 million people in that war, double everyone else combined. Now. Germany and allies had already surrendered, and Japan either also surrendered or about to (correct me if I'm wrong [non-Americans, please] ) when that nuke was dropped. Your argument about the saving of lives therefore doesn't apply. Furthermore, Japan is still suffering the consequences of that nuke. Even in war, I would hate to do something inhumane to whoever I was fighting. The nuke, to the already surrendered Japan, was just a big way of flexing your epeen. At the cost of lives.
They had not surrendered, and only a portion of the military were interested in doing so, the first nuke sealed the deal, unfortunately they didnt get their surrender to us in time to stave off the second one.
If you did that you would not have won ,so don`t make out like you could of won it by ground forces.What do they teach you in your yank history classes.:bang:

Um there really is no way to know if we could win or not, so lets not get drawn down into a subjective argument.

[ineluki]

Anyway, happy new year, I'm off out to get smashed, hope you all have/had a good night. :)

Same here,lets the yanks now waking up keep this shit.

Let them look forward to their laggy game play in DF and getting owned online as well as in real life.:lmao:

[ineluki]

;2233083']Awesome argument dude.

"OH BUT IF YOU HADN'T USED WEAPONS AT YOUR DISPOSAL YOU WOULD HAVE LOST LOL"

Shut the fuck up

Why the caps? are you about to pop your load or what. I don`t see anyone else using caps,what's that about.:confused:

[Carl Ragadamn]

Funny seeing americans talking about immigrants xD

Um at this point I am going to object to still being thought of as an immigrant, my family came to this continent in 1653 and if that doesnt make us natural Americans, then nearly zero europeans can claim the country they live in as their home.

[Nafelos]

Guys... name one war in the history of civilization that was "just"...

"Just War" is an oximoron... Don't try to morally justify anything done in War, and don't try to condemn anything done in war based on some moral precedent.

[Erroneous]

Why is he wrong asshat,explain instead of getting emotional.:idea:

I don't think I am being emotional, his staement is just very wrong and shows a complete lack of knowledge on the subject

...Japan either also surrendered or about to (correct me if I'm wrong [non-Americans, please] ) when that nuke was dropped.

Japan rejected the Potsdam Declaration, an ultimatum calling for reasonable terms of surrender and threatening dire consequences otherwise.

[Carl Ragadamn]

Guys... name one war in the history of civilization that was "just"...

"Just War" is an oximoron... Don't try to morally justify anything done in War, and don't try to condemn anything done in war based on some moral precedent.

This is very true, the wars the US has failed to win have been largely attributed to the US's refusal to resort to total war.

[Synika]

The nukes are what broke the back of the Japanese will to fight, and saved the US from having to go into a full scale invasion of the Mainland. Any invasion would have cost tens of thousands of US lives.

The difference between 9/11 and the US nuking Japan is that we were at war (and they started it, even if we did alot of things that caused them to attack first).

I suggest you l2history and stop being such a whiny bitch.

haha whiny bitch, just because I questioned your patriotism and faith in your forefathers actions.

Anyways happy new year! Also off down to the pub :)

[Desperado[1G]]

haha whiny bitch, just because I questioned your patriotism and faith in your forefathers actions.

Anyways happy new year! Also off down to the pub :)

I hope you get hit by one of those retarded looking doubledecker buses

[Gurrak]

Um at this point I am going to object to still being thought of as an immigrant, my family came to this continent in 1653 and if that doesnt make us natural Americans, then nearly zero europeans can claim the country they live in as their home.

oh no you got me all wrong, but looking at what countries letting the most immigrants in you should (exscuse me) STFU!

[Carl Ragadamn]

haha whiny bitch, just because I questioned your patriotism and faith in your forefathers actions.

Anyways happy new year! Also off down to the pub :)

No you are a whiny bitch for saying "OMG PEOPLE DIED IN A WAR :("

[Carl Ragadamn]

oh no you got me all wrong, but looking at what countries letting the most immigrants in you should (exscuse me) STFU!

Is it wrong to only want the immigrants to be people with skills or knowledge that will make America a better place?


Also the odds of me ever stfu are low, as my postcout would show, if I hadnt hid it.

[Ziegler]

I guess nobody told Inny that america actually warned the citizens of japan that we were fixing to bomb the shit out of them......then did drop the big one days later....then gave them a chance to surrender...they didnt...we dropped fliers warning the citizens AGAIN....then ...we dropped another one.


Now paint it however you want....but that is pure and simple...it was war, we had a devestating weapon...warned the enemy we would use it...they called our bluff..'cept we werent bluffing.

You dont get the basics of survival if you dont understand the option of killing your enemy without harm to yourself.

[Milo Hobgoblin]

Everyone that lives in the United states had an immigrant in their bloodline at one point or another (save American Indians) so I think that all immigrants should be legal. I feel that any man woman or child has the right to live in any country they so choose on this earth. Man made laws should not restrict them from doing so. People will always follow where opportunity leads, laws or not.

So we should just let in the tens of millions of immigrants into this country who just want in.. reghardless of education, culture, crime history?

Do you have any idea what that what do to our social infrastructure or are you just some dumb fuck idealistic kid who doesnt think of the long term consequences of taking on millins of uneducated immigrants.

STFU and think next time before you post such idiocy.

[Gurrak]

Is it wrong to only want the immigrants to be people with skills or knowledge that will make America a better place?


Also the odds of me ever stfu are low, as my postcout would show, if I hadnt hid it.
haha okej, what I'm saying is that you americans should not complain at all on the level of immigrants you take in in to your country compared to others in europe (sweden being really stuffed) i fully respect the fact that you take in such a "low" amount of people into your country would love the same here atm, but don't you dare complain about your immigrants problems until you know what others has to endure cause of this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whWgCOE56K8
this showed in the video are from immigrants who prolly get more money from the state than i get from my job, and still they do this!!!!!!!
swedes are doomed!

[Carl Ragadamn]

haha okej, what I'm saying is that you americans should not complain at all on the level of immigrants you take in in to your country compared to others in europe (sweden being really stuffed) i fully respect the fact that you take in such a "low" amount of people into your country would love the same here atm, but don't you dare complain about your immigrants problems until you know what others has to endure cause of this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whWgCOE56K8
swedes are doomed!

Your numbers are based on legal immigration numbers, they dont account for the illegal immigration problem in the US. It is easy to get into the US if you want to.

[Shaehl]

haha okej, what I'm saying is that you americans should not complain at all on the level of immigrants you take in in to your country compared to others in europe (sweden being really stuffed) i fully respect the fact that you take in such a "low" amount of people into your country would love the same here atm, but don't you dare complain about your immigrants problems until you know what others has to endure cause of this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whWgCOE56K8
this showed in the video are from immigrants who prolly get more money from the state than i get from my job, and still the do this!!!!!!!
swedes are doomed!

Dude, if a man loses an arm in Africa, it doesn't mean I can't be pissed about stubbing my toe in America.

Yeah, other people have it worse, but that doesn't mean we should let ourselves degenerate to that level just so we can pat each other on the back and remark on how equal our situations are.

[Haeso]

If you did that you would not have won ,so don`t make out like you could of won it by ground forces.What do they teach you in your yank history classes.:bang:

Are you still being a retard? If you want to hate America, go for it. But your arguments are more pathetic than straw man. You're just blatantly wrong.

[[LoD] EE]

haha okej, what I'm saying is that you americans should not complain at all on the level of immigrants you take in in to your country compared to others in europe (sweden being really stuffed) i fully respect the fact that you take in such a "low" amount of people into your country would love the same here atm, but don't you dare complain about your immigrants problems until you know what others has to endure cause of this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whWgCOE56K8
this showed in the video are from immigrants who prolly get more money from the state than i get from my job, and still they do this!!!!!!!
swedes are doomed!

We should not complain but the same shit goes on here. Instead of Muslim its Latino.

Most current Census of the US population. (http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/population/011910.html)

Add 20 million to the population for Latinos due to Illegal Immigration.

[Erroneous]

Are you still being a retard? If you want to hate America, go for it. But your arguments are more pathetic than straw man. You're just blatantly wrong.

He left after he could stop avoiding the real questions, he had a valid excuse, but I think he'll find it convenient to never get around to addressing them.

[Gurrak]

EE;2233335']We should not complain but the same shit goes on here. Instead of Muslim its Latino.

Most current Census of the US population. (http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/population/011910.html)

Add 20 million to the population for Latinos due to Illegal Immigration.
I'm not gonna argue with you guys, just saying you are not the worst countrie out there. As for this when they officially reported that the majority of the heroin buisness was comming from african people it was a BIG OLE DRAMA scene in the media about the goverment being racist and shit for pointing it out, but if there would have been swedes in that report none had cared, in the states your goverment does not close their eyes for this shit they do what they can, or atleast goes out with it puplic. If the swedes would do that, then we would see oblivion, and be said to be the new nazi germany, like wtf man can't i wouch or even say anything in my defense anymore without being called a racist?

Edit: the goverment of sweden even had to appoligies (spelling:S)

/talking out of the bottle

[rockyraccoon]

I guess nobody told Inny that america actually warned the citizens of japan that we were fixing to bomb the shit out of them......then did drop the big one days later....then gave them a chance to surrender...they didnt...we dropped fliers warning the citizens AGAIN....then ...we dropped another one.


Now paint it however you want....but that is pure and simple...it was war, we had a devestating weapon...warned the enemy we would use it...they called our bluff..'cept we werent bluffing.

You dont get the basics of survival if you dont understand the option of killing your enemy without harm to yourself.

and i guess nobody told you how america had advance knowledge of pearl harbor from its own and other intelligence agencies.