Unrest caused by bad economy may require MILITARY ACTION.

[Everto]

http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_11326744

EL PASO -- A U.S. Army War College report warns an economic crisis in the United States could lead to massive civil unrest and the need to call on the military to restore order.

Retired Army Lt. Col. Nathan Freir wrote the report "Known Unknowns: Unconventional Strategic Shocks in Defense Strategy Development," which the Army think tank in Carlisle, Pa., recently released.

"Widespread civil violence inside the United States would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities ... to defend basic domestic order and human security," the report said, in case of "unforeseen economic collapse," "pervasive public health emergencies," and "catastrophic natural and human disasters," among other possible crises.

The report also suggests the new (Barack Obama) administration could face a "strategic shock" within the first eight months in office.

Fort Bliss spokeswoman Jean Offutt said the Army post is not involved in any recent talks about a potential military response to civil unrest.

The report become a hot Internet item after Phoenix police told the Phoenix Business Journal they're prepared to deal with such an event, and the International Monetary Fund's managing director, Dominique Strauss-Khan, said social unrest could spread to advanced countries if the global economic crisis worsens.

Javier Sambrano, spokesman for the El Paso Police Department, said city police have trained for years so they can address any contingency, but not with the military.

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police (department) trains on an ongoing basis as part of its Mobile Field Force Training," Sambrano said. "As a result, the police will be able to respond to emergency situations, such as looting or a big civil unrest. The police (department) does not train with soldiers."

Earlier this year, Pentagon officials said as many as 20,000 soldiers under the U.S. Northern Command (NORTHCOM) will be trained within the next three years to work with civilian law enforcement in homeland security.

Joint Task Force-North, a joint command at Biggs Army Airfield, which conducts surveillance and intelligence along the border, comes under NORTHCOM. No one was available at JTF-North to comment on the Army War College's report. NORTHCOM was created after the 9-11 attacks to coordinate homeland security efforts.

Soldiers under the former Joint Task Force-6 (now JTF-North) supported the Border Patrol in El Paso with its drug-interdiction operations.

In case civilian authorities request help or become overwhelmed, El Paso has several National Guard and military reserve units that can be called on. In 1992, National Guard and active Marine and Army units were deployed to help police control riots and looting in Los Angeles.

Charles Boehmer, political science professor at the University of Texas at El Paso, was skeptical about the Army War College report.

"The military was not called out during the Great Depression, and I don't think our economic problems are as bad as they were then," he said. "The military always has contingency plans. It's a think tank's job to come up with scenarios, but that doesn't mean it represents an active interest on the part of the (Pentagon)."

Diana Washington Valdez may be reached at dvaldez@elpasotimes.com; 546-6140.

There's no hope for mankind now! They've got ree-flays! [rifles]

[Choobinator]

a likely way the NWO gets established.

interesting read, thanks.

[[LoD] EE]

Old news is better searched for rather than reposted. :D

[Everto]

EE;2227650']Old news is better searched for rather than reposted. :D

Good topics deserve to be reposted again, and again, and again, and again.

The article was released yesterday, I find it unlikely that anybody paid enough attention to post it.

[DocGonzo]

put the tinfoil down and step away slowly...

[Everto]

put the tinfoil down and step away slowly...

i think I'll wrap you up in tinfoil and throw you into the oven, Doc.

[WhiteF1ame]

I don't know about you guys but I already bought a gun and am taking shooting lessons. I'm also stocking food. The weakest and most ill prepared will die first.

During the Great Depression there was almost no crime but America was a much safer homogeneous nation back then. Take a look into the gang rap culture and ask yourself if not the military, who will really have control once the shit hits the fan. I'd welcome tanks rolling into my neighborhood for my protection.

[Everto]

I don't know about you guys but I already bought a gun and am taking shooting lessons. I'm also stocking food. The weakest and most ill prepared will die first.

Not long till they storm your house and take those.

[WhiteF1ame]

Not long till they storm your house and take those.

I live in a condo complex on second floor with one entrance to my home. I'll board up my doors and keep my guns within arms reach 24/7

[DocGonzo]

i think I'll wrap you up in tinfoil and throw you into the oven, Doc.

lol...bring armed friends, and a lunch...

[ExiliuM]

Take a look into the gang rap culture and ask yourself if not the military, who will really have control once the shit hits the fan.

LolWHAT?

[Everto]

During the Great Depression there was almost no crime but America was a much safer homogeneous nation back then. Take a look into the gang rap culture and ask yourself if not the military, who will really have control once the shit hits the fan. I'd welcome tanks rolling into my neighborhood for my protection.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

When a problem comes along, you must NUKE IT!

[ppsh42]

What if civil unrest and rioting led to civil war? That would be fun.

[Vessol]

What if civil unrest and rioting led to civil war? That would be fun.

ZOMG

what if civil war lead to civil union!?

[WhiteF1ame]

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

When a problem comes along, you must NUKE IT!

If you were trying to bust into my condo you would be threatening the safety and security of myself and my dog. That is unacceptable and I'm pretty sure the law grants me the right to then bust a cap up your a$$

[Everto]

If you were trying to bust into my condo you would be threatening the safety and security of myself and my dog. That is unacceptable and I'm pretty sure the law grants me the right to then bust a cap up your a$$

Oh dear god no, everything but the safety and security of your dog!

Don't you know during Martial Law whatever the military says, goes?
Meaning if they wanna fuck your wife and your dog at the same time, they get to.

[WhiteF1ame]

LolWHAT?

I guess you must come from a lily white suburb where you feel so protected from those scary thugs, right? Trust me the places people feel most secure will be the first targets on their list for looting and pillage. I live in a bad neighborhood and after 9pm going outside is suicide for a white guy like me in a neighborhood full of gangs.

When the 5h1t hits the fan you'll wish you listened to me.

[Apex Vertigo]

I guess you must come from a lily white suburb where you feel so protected from those scary thugs, right? Trust me the places people feel most secure will be the first targets on their list for looting and pillage. I live in a bad neighborhood and after 9pm going outside is suicide for a white guy like me in a neighborhood full of gangs.

When the 5h1t hits the fan you'll wish you listened to me.

Lol, oh no not tha gangstaz!!#%$!@

But seriously, move then?

[tallefred]

I'm already making myself a tinfoil shirt with the slogan "I told you so".

Buy guns motherfuckers.

[Everto]

I'm already making myself a tinfoil shirt with the slogan "I told you so".

Buy guns motherfuckers.

Guns run out of ammo, machetes don't need ammo!

[WhiteF1ame]

Guns run out of ammo, machetes don't need ammo!

I'll have both and a trained dog defending me. Come fvck with me if you think you stand a chance, in times of desperation nothing is too extreme, and neither would be feeding your corpse to my dog.

[Everto]

I'll have both and a trained dog defending me. Come fvck with me if you think you stand a chance, in times of desperation nothing is too extreme, and neither would be feeding your corpse to my dog.

You should post back here in 3 years to tell us how you're holdin' up.

[Vessol]

I'm already making myself a tinfoil shirt with the slogan "I told you so".

Buy guns motherfuckers.

They have lists of registered gun owners.

[WhiteF1ame]

You should post back here in 3 years to tell us how you're holdin' up.

I would but by then you'd probably dead in a dumpster because you were too stupid to take my advice. Im trying to wake you up from this little fairy tale world you've been living in where everything you could possible desire is a drive away.

[DocGonzo]

They have lists of registered gun owners.

we don't register them in Maine...

[Everto]

I would but by then you'd probably dead in a dumpster because you were too stupid to take my advice.

Your mind is so shallow.

Why would I waste my time discussing a plan where all possible enemies could see?

[Traep]

I don't know about you guys but I already bought a gun and am taking shooting lessons. I'm also stocking food. The weakest and most ill prepared will die first. During the Great Depression there was almost no crime but America was a much safer homogeneous nation back then. Take a look into the gang rap culture and ask yourself if not the military, who will really have control once the shit hits the fan. I'd welcome tanks rolling into my neighborhood for my protection. There is quite a bit wrong with this post and not just the racist overtones. What reason do you have to think we were more homogenous during the great depression and why do you think that would cut down on violence and looting during a period of civil unrest? I didn't read the whole article so maybe I missed something but what's the problem here? It sounds like their saying, if riots break out, they're prepared to keep things under control. Is that somehow a bad thing?

[WhiteF1ame]

There is quite a bit wrong with this post and not just the racist overtones. What reason do you have to think we were more homogenous during the great depression and why do you think that would cut down on violence and looting during a period of civil unrest? I didn't read the whole article so maybe I missed something but what's the problem here? It sounds like their saying, if riots break out, they're prepared to keep things under control. Is that somehow a bad thing?

Ever heard of Japan? One of the most homogenous nations on earth. How about you guess the crime rates there compared to america.

[Zokten]

Ever heard of Japan? One of the most homogenous nations on earth. How about you guess the crime rates there compared to america.

I'd bet its higher then your brain cell count.

[WhiteF1ame]

I'd bet its higher then your brain cell count.

hehe personal attacks are an indicator of no argument :)

[[LoD] EE]

Good topics deserve to be reposted again, and again, and again, and again.

The article was released yesterday, I find it unlikely that anybody paid enough attention to post it.

It was originally posted December 1st.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/30/AR2008113002217_pf.html

[Pcheez]

I do look forward to an American civil war tbh.

Get a taste of your own military superiority, IN THE FACE.

No, not really, civil war is a horrible thing.

You have no idea what its like to live on the fringe everyday, running zigzag to the store to get your family some bread and other very basic overexpensive necessities while 10 snipers are on the neighborhood roof getting paid for indiscriminate headcount.

You have no idea what its like to arrive after the professor that always let you take his parking spot, only to watch him park, get out, and a shell land right on him tearing him to shreds.

You have no clue what its like to dance for a sniper's amusement hoping he gets sick of playing with you and eventually hits you or stops firing.

You dont know what its like to shoot at your own brother because he's with the rival side.

You have no idea what its like to take shifts guarding the door to your house with a loaded rifle and accidentally shooting a family member that walked in too fast.


Yeah, civil war is certainly interesting, you think its a game, sad

[Zokten]

hehe personal attacks are an indicator of no argument :)

If only you had sad anything that was intelligent to argue about.

[The Goatbreeder]

Long live the revoloution! Bring these goverment infidels to the blade!

[Cursisanafou]

What's with the title... this is obvious.

[Vanno]

I wouldn't be surprised if violent crimes didn't escalate a bit. I'm not saying a federal martial law is going to be enacted by any means, but states slashing programs, the middle class getting the big shaft, and a country with a large amount of guns, can generally make for a volatile situations. Of course some folks will abandoned logical deduction, ignore the correlation between economic prosperity and crime rates, and simply claim this is the dithering of paranoid tinfoil hatted loonies.

[tallefred]

They have lists of registered gun owners.

Where did I say "buy registered firearms"? I said "buy guns". Do it.

[Razel]

welp, i only hope the party starts sooner or later. if the govt wants to declare martial law it will be their own destruction.

[Requiamer]

Honestly thats huber bull shit. Every fucking war they claim the economy is the cause, or the religion, or both. The fact is people are just so fucking stupid and selfish, government are just like poeple they just want more than what they can obtain, so they go fuck up around with their war stuff. I mean how the fuck people and government just don't realize they just loose in waring the all fucking line, even taught they don't war in their own land and go fuck other poeple land, they lost a lot. And don't give me the shit, well some people get rich from wars, point at military industry here. Just put in the balance the resource need to go fuck up and what those retards gain from it. I mean its like the tobacco industry, they should just wipe it clean as much as they can, and not the fucking opposite.

[Razel]

Honestly thats huber bull shit. Every fucking war they claim the economy is the cause, or the religion, or both. The fact is people are just so fucking stupid and selfish, government are just like poeple they just want more than what they can obtain, so they go fuck up around with their war stuff. I mean how the fuck people and government just don't realize they just loose in waring the all fucking line, even taught they don't war in their own land and go fuck other poeple land, they lost a lot. And don't give me the shit, well some people get rich from wars, point at military industry here. Just put in the balance the resource need to go fuck up and what those retards gain from it. I mean its like the tobacco industry, they should just wipe it clean as much as they can, and not the fucking opposite.

your drunk or you care less about typing than i do

[Volture777]

Zomg aliens MAY invade us and it MAY wipe out all of mankind. This MAY happen tomorrow. RUN FOR YOUR LIVES.

[snowball89]

pop your mummys tits out of your mouths and get ready to become men. remember to stockpile food water guns grenades radios maps. its not over til the hippie lookalike is lowered from a spaceship and saves mankind.

[Everto]

I do look forward to an American civil war tbh.

Get a taste of your own military superiority, IN THE FACE.

No, not really, civil war is a horrible thing.

You have no idea what its like to live on the fringe everyday, running zigzag to the store to get your family some bread and other very basic overexpensive necessities while 10 snipers are on the neighborhood roof getting paid for indiscriminate headcount.

You have no idea what its like to arrive after the professor that always let you take his parking spot, only to watch him park, get out, and a shell land right on him tearing him to shreds.

You have no clue what its like to dance for a sniper's amusement hoping he gets sick of playing with you and eventually hits you or stops firing.

You dont know what its like to shoot at your own brother because he's with the rival side.

You have no idea what its like to take shifts guarding the door to your house with a loaded rifle and accidentally shooting a family member that walked in too fast.


Yeah, civil war is certainly interesting, you think its a game, sad

Revolution is just another part in man's book, it is not a game, it's a part of life.

[Signus]

Wow... I have hardly even felt the shadow of this "major economic crisis" .

[saltwaterteffy]

Wow... I have hardly even felt the shadow of this "major economic crisis" .

yea i was like ZOMG GAS IS EXPENSIVE...now its back to teh normz. Obama works FAST!~

[Mr.LichTwitch]

The military was not called out during the Great Depression, and I don't think our economic problems are as bad as they were then," he said. "The military always has contingency plans. It's a think tank's job to come up with scenarios, but that doesn't mean it represents an active interest on the part of the (Pentagon).

I'm sure if you look hard enough, you can find a think tank that has discussed scenarios involving war with China too. I guess that means war with China is immanent?

[crispyfried]

pop your mummys tits out of your mouths and get ready to become men. remember to stockpile food water guns grenades radios maps. its not over til the hippie lookalike is lowered from a spaceship and saves mankind.

don't forget to stockpile twinkies ... they have a shelf life of 75 yrs ....

[ineluki]

Who cares, let the dumb fucks kill each other.:lmao:

[nathanpinard]

You know what's awesome?

There's coming out with a new Fallout game! Release date unknown.

And we get to actually play in RL!

[Zokten]

Who cares, let the dumb fucks kill each other.:lmao:

:bang::bang::bang:

[ineluki]

:bang::bang::bang:

:bang::bang::bang::lmao:

[Zokten]

:bang::bang::bang::lmao:

I raise.

:bang::bang::bang::lmao::ninja:

[Everto]

I raise.

:bang::bang::bang::lmao::ninja:

I still liked your other sig better.

[Zokten]

I still liked your other sig better.

Which?

The guitar one or one of the others?

[Requiamer]

your drunk or you care less about typing than i do

Yep that kind of discussion get on my nerves so i loose control and write like a monkey. Anyway, economical problem is a very shitty reason to make war, people just use the first motive to let their violence out. The real motive is that they are just too retarded to control that violence or to direct it on better purpose. Economy is just there to give them a clean conscience.

[Traep]

Ever heard of Japan? One of the most homogenous nations on earth. How about you guess the crime rates there compared to america.

Even if Japan's crime rates are lower, which is exceptionally vague since there are a lot of different types of crime, you still have no way to chalk that all up to homogenization. Correlations are not the same as causes. This is also ignoring that you haven't explained how you found out that we were more homogeneous during the great depression than we are now.

I'm sure if you look hard enough, you can find a think tank that has discussed scenarios involving war with China too. I guess that means war with China is immanent?

Thank you for being one of the only people in this thread to recognize that having a contingency plan in case of civil unrest doesn't mean that the government is saying we're on the brink of civil war.

I still don't understand the point of posting this. I'll ask again though: Why is it bad for the military to try to maintain peace if widespread rioting occurs?

[Traep]

Yep that kind of discussion get on my nerves so i loose control and write like a monkey. Anyway, economical problem is a very shitty reason to make war, people just use the first motive to let their violence out. The real motive is that they are just too retarded to control that violence or to direct it on better purpose. Economy is just there to give them a clean conscience.

So you would sooner believe that war breaks out because of some mystical desire for senseless violence than for economic or religious reasons? Maybe those reasons are given so often because beliefs, money, and power are always the base reasons for war. What else is there to argue about, at the core, other than those three things?

[kiasta]

They have lists of registered gun owners.

Good thing I know where to buy real guns without having to worry about them tracking me. And by real guns I mean assault rifles and such.

But seriously...when are we gonna have a coup? -.-

[Sharpshooter]

Why not just get rid of the military and save hundreds of billions :/

[Zushakon]

You know what's awesome?

There's coming out with a new Fallout game! Release date unknown.

And we get to actually play in RL!

It would be worth moving to the US just for that.

[Xalan]

I guess you must come from a lily white suburb where you feel so protected from those scary thugs, right? Trust me the places people feel most secure will be the first targets on their list for looting and pillage. I live in a bad neighborhood and after 9pm going outside is suicide for a white guy like me in a neighborhood full of gangs.

When the 5h1t hits the fan you'll wish you listened to me.

They see me rollin',
They hatein'

[Dredgon]

Why not just get rid of the military and save hundreds of billions :/

That gave me a lol " Save hundreds of billions", you Canadians never stop do you?:lmao: