A Question abou the Republican Party

[PlugInMonster]

For those who absolutely can't vote for them right now, what would they have to do to win your vote(if at all possible)? I know for many the religious right component is a deal breaker, for others the war on drugs, etc...

[popsaregood230]

Its not what the Party can do for me, but what Palin can do to me.

[Caffy]

Step 1: Stop Calling W. a Conservative.
Step 2: Find a VooDoo priest and nominate Zombie Reagan in 2012.
Step 3: ????
Step 4: Profit!

[Vessol]

If they stopped being the party of religious nuts and neocons.

[rockyraccoon]

going on homicidal rampages inside congress sure would do the trick.

[PlugInMonster]

If they stopped being the party of religious nuts and neocons.

What is a neocon? I'm truly curious.

[MinusInnocence]

If they embraced every ideal set forth in the United States Constitution; actually honored their oaths to uphold its laws; and sought the impeachment of any member of the party who stepped out of line; I could call myself a Republican.

[PlugInMonster]

Step 1: Stop Calling W. a Conservative.
Step 2: Find a VooDoo priest and nominate Zombie Reagan in 2012.
Step 3: ????
Step 4: Profit!

#1 - W is a conservative on religious matters and did cut taxes
#2 - Reagen is dead my friend. Long dead.
#3 - ????
#4 - Profit in what context?

[PlugInMonster]

If they embraced every ideal set forth in the United States Constitution; actually honored their oaths to uphold its laws; and sought the impeachment of any member of the party who stepped out of line; I could call myself a Republican.

Ah but this is the rub isn't it? Both the Democrats and Republicans like to pick and choose which parts of the Constitution they like. Can't we have a new Constitution Party that respects 100% of the document?

[Vessol]

What is a neocon? I'm truly curious.

ne·o·con·ser·va·tism also ne·o-con·ser·va·tism (n-kn-sûrv-tzm)
n.
An intellectual and political movement in favor of political, economic, and social conservatism that arose in opposition to the perceived liberalism of the 1960s:

Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States. Its key distinction is in international affairs, where it espouses an interventionist approach that seeks to defend what neo-conservatives deem as national interests.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservative

Basically christian fundies who want to go back to the 1950's when women and blacks had limited rights, homosexuality was considered a mental disease. They also want to intervene and think America is the best ever and should have an empire.

[PlugInMonster]

ne·o·con·ser·va·tism also ne·o-con·ser·va·tism (n-kn-sûrv-tzm)
n.
An intellectual and political movement in favor of political, economic, and social conservatism that arose in opposition to the perceived liberalism of the 1960s:

Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States. Its key distinction is in international affairs, where it espouses an interventionist approach that seeks to defend what neo-conservatives deem as national interests.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservative

Name me one up and coming Republican that is a neoconservative in foreign policy. It seems that all your dreaded neocons were defeated or term-limited(Bush).

[Ungraylessness]

Name me one up and coming Republican that is a neoconservative in foreign policy. It seems that all your dreaded neocons were defeated or term-limited(Bush).

Do you think were all democrats or something?

[MinusInnocence]

Name me one up and coming Republican that is a neoconservative in foreign policy. It seems that all your dreaded neocons were defeated or term-limited(Bush).Sarah Palin being touted as "the future face of the Republican party" sends chills down my spine. They will never learn. If you think the neocons are dead and buried, and don't recognize they have completely hijacked the party, I am sorry to say you have been greatly deceived.

Re: Democrats and Republicans both picking and choosing the parts of the Constitution they like best, yes. That is a problem. And in case "Why don't you support the Constitution Party?" is your next question, you touched on it in your original post: I am agnostic, and do not believe Christian fundamentalism has any place in the federal government.

[Caffy]

#1 - W is a conservative on religious matters and did cut taxes

#1 What does being religious have to do with conservatism?
#2 His tax cuts made the tax code MORE PROGRESSIVE shifting the tax burden onto the upper classes.

#2 - Reagen is dead my friend. Long dead.

Which is why I want Zombie Reagan.

#3 - ????
#4 - Profit in what context?

In the Free Market Capitalist context. You know, the opposite of the government buying up private companies the way W has.

[Vessol]

Name me one up and coming Republican that is a neoconservative in foreign policy. It seems that all your dreaded neocons were defeated or term-limited(Bush).

A good majority of the republican party.

McCain was one.

[rockyraccoon]

selling new england and california to canada would get some lulzworthy votes for the republicans.

[PlugInMonster]

Sarah Palin being touted as "the future face of the Republican party" sends chills down my spine. They will never learn. If you think the neocons are dead and buried, and don't recognize they have completely hijacked the party, I am sorry to say you have been greatly deceived.

Re: Democrats and Republicans both picking and choosing the parts of the Constitution they like best, yes. That is a problem. And in case "Why don't you support the Constitution Party?" is your next question, you touched on it in your original post: I am agnostic, and do not believe Christian fundamentalism has any place in the federal government.

You honestly believe Sarah Palin is a neocon? On what basis? Also I do agree, Christian fundamentalism has no place in the government.

[Vessol]

You honestly believe Sarah Palin is a neocon? On what basis? Also I do agree, Christian fundamentalism has no place in the government.

She is a fundamentalist socially and has an interventionist foreign policy(or well none because she is a moron, but she had McCain's foreign policy which was interventionist)

[PlugInMonster]

She is a fundamentalist socially and has an interventionist foreign policy(or well none because she is a moron, but she had McCain's foreign policy which was interventionist)

How is she a fundie socially speaking? She doesn't favor outlawing abortion. Also she was duty-bound to support whatever McCain's policy was.

[Paralda]

If they would stop being so damn selfish, and then stop being so hypocritical.

"HEY GUYS, I WANT MORE PERSONAL FREEDOMS, AND I WANT THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF PEOPLES' LIVES. OH AND ALSO I WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE AWAY THE PERSONAL FREEDOMS OF GAYS AND I WANT IT TO BE ILLEGAL FOR A WOMAN TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS TOTALLY A MORAL CHOICE. ALSO: ANYTHING AGAINST MY SET OF MORALS MUST BE LABELLED UN-AMERICAN, AND I'M GOING TO HATE LITERALLY HALF THE COUNTRY! THANKS!"

[Caffy]

ne·o·con·ser·va·tism also ne·o-con·ser·va·tism (n-kn-sûrv-tzm)
n.
An intellectual and political movement in favor of political, economic, and social conservatism that arose in opposition to the perceived liberalism of the 1960s:

Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States. Its key distinction is in international affairs, where it espouses an interventionist approach that seeks to defend what neo-conservatives deem as national interests.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservative

Basically christian fundies who want to go back to the 1950's when women and blacks had limited rights, homosexuality was considered a mental disease. They also want to intervene and think America is the best ever and should have an empire.


Through the 1950s and early 1960s the future neoconservatives had been socialists or liberals strongly supportive of the American Civil Rights Movement, integration, and Martin Luther King, Jr..

:confused:

Your own link directly contradicts what you're saying.

[DocGonzo]

You honestly believe Sarah Palin is a neocon? On what basis? Also I do agree, Christian fundamentalism has no place in the government.

she is because of who would pull her strings...

neocons are here (http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm)

the signatories are at the bottom of the linked page, and their articles start in 96 (wishing for a "pearl harbor for an excuse to invade Iraq) to now with every vile bit of venom spewed by Kristol and Krauthammer...among others

i highly doubt you are really this naive, yet each of your pieces of agitprop are crude and amateurish at best

get rid of neocons and theocons, actually embrace ALL of the Constitution and be willing to enforce the Laws for everyone...that would get the GOP at least taken seriously again

but i give long odds that it will be at least 10 years before anything like that even gets hinted at seriously...not counting liars giving such lip service, of course

oh yes...history of the neocons..university of Chicago, Leon Strauss

he's the Founder, and taught Wolfowitz and others...Wolfowitz later joined the university and taught Scooter Libby and others

again, check the names at the bottom of the page i linked...it's all there

[kyrilius]

#1 - W is a conservative on religious matters and did cut taxes
#2 - Reagen is dead my friend. Long dead.
#3 - ????
#4 - Profit in what context?

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b203/chodie4u/chefacepalm.jpg

[UPoopedUPants]

For those who absolutely can't vote for them right now, what would they have to do to win your vote(if at all possible)? I know for many the religious right component is a deal breaker, for others the war on drugs, etc...

well I can vote and I have every election since I turned 18 (meaning local elections every year).

To get my vote republicans needs to do 4 things

end the patriot act the single worst thing any president has done ever.

stop making the government bigger, the federal government was intended as the skeleton that kept all the states playing nicely together it was not intended for 90% of its current functions.

end the war on drugs (i have never used any thing ever). But like the 16th amendment it has caused nothing but problems, make it legal in certain areas and tax the shit out of it...like cigarettes and booze...

and the 2nd most important thing (after ending the patriot act...) is to let people (and businesses) fail.

[tallefred]

If they embraced every ideal set forth in the United States Constitution; actually honored their oaths to uphold its laws; and sought the impeachment of any member of the party who stepped out of line; I could call myself a Republican.

This. Nothing short of it.

[PlugInMonster]

well I can vote and I have every election since I turned 18 (meaning local elections every year).

To get my vote republicans needs to do 4 things

end the patriot act the single worst thing any president has done ever.

stop making the government bigger, the federal government was intended as the skeleton that kept all the states playing nicely together it was not intended for 90% of its current functions.

end the war on drugs (i have never used any thing ever). But like the 16th amendment it has caused nothing but problems, make it legal in certain areas and tax the shit out of it...like cigarettes and booze...

and the 2nd most important thing (after ending the patriot act...) is to let people (and businesses) fail.

Deal!

[PlugInMonster]

This. Nothing short of it.

I wish.... Alas, I'm not even a registered Republican so I have no influence.

[tallefred]

I wish.... Alas, I'm not even a registered Republican so I have no influence.

You know we were kind of counting on you fixing our country. Our hopes are dashed.

[palo god]

They need to stop interfering with the markets, I’m tired of republicans saying the same thing the democrats are saying about what we need to do about the failing markets. They need to stop policing the world, and stay the hell out of the nation building business. They need to end their moral war on society, you cant say what you want on the radio, the T.V, etc.

They need to end the war on drugs, and they need to stay the hell out of peoples business about what they want to put in their bodies. They need to get rid of the patriot act, and not support anyone who is for similar legislation. They need to respect the rule of law in this country and support our constitution.

[Bissen]

Neither party is worth voting for. But why am I stating the obvious. Your nation is fundamentally wrong on so many levels as it is and both of those parties wont play a factor in changing that.

The worst thing is that all of you are aware of it.

[Mr.LichTwitch]

They need to cease to exist.

[PlugInMonster]

They need to cease to exist.

Wow, one part rule is so great for liberty! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Bissen]

Wow, one part rule is so great for liberty! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Seeming how it is now. Apparently so.

[Mr.LichTwitch]

Wow, one part rule is so great for liberty! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

When did I say one party rule?? Please refresh my memory, without putting words in my mouth.

[DocGonzo]

Wow, one part rule is so great for liberty! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

yeah...look how well the GOP did with it form 01-07...

but in essence you inadvertently state a Truth...AFTER your "team" loses it, funny how that works...the D's will do the same when their run has petered out and the pendulum swings again...

[Apex Vertigo]

I know for many the religious right component is a deal breaker.

This is a major factor in the reason I will most likely never vote for them. They'd have to change a lot of their shit, including going back to their small government ideals, for me to even consider voting Repub. I'm no yellow dog, but I can't vote for a party that I disagree with in nearly every major issue.

[alhazred]

For those who absolutely can't vote for them right now, what would they have to do to win your vote(if at all possible)? I know for many the religious right component is a deal breaker, for others the war on drugs, etc...

well i would vote for them

IF THEY WERE FUCKING CONSERVATIVE AND NOT A BUNCH OF FENCE SITTING SCARED OF POLITICAL CORRETNESS FUCKERS

example in california the highest taxed state in the nation the republicans are trying to stop a 9billion per year tax increase that the dems want to pass (ps the dems resorted to breaking laws to do it .... hmm lets change the 18 cent gas tax to a 31 cent gas tax ... what do you mean we need a 66% majority to pass taxes ... o did i say taxes i ment fees that is just a fee not a tax kinda like our extra 2.5% FEE on your income tax hehe but it isnt a tax so we dont need a two thirds vote)

GAHHHHHHH

WHY THE FUCK DONT THEY JUST CUT SPENDING ON PROGRAMS WE CANT FUCKING AFFORD O YEA I FORGOT BECAUSE THEY ARE TWATS

sigh

[alhazred]

They need to cease to exist.

lol the democrates are the party of equality and progress and um ... yea our detractors need to be scilened and not exist

infact free speach for all aslong as it isnt against us

[DocGonzo]

lol the democrates are the party of equality and progress and um ... yea our detractors need to be scilened and not exist

infact free speach for all aslong as it isnt against us

you mean like when you questioned a pre-emptive invasion and got labeled as "anti-american" or even coultergeisted as a "traitor", "red diaper doper baby" or "mental diseased"

fucking spare me, please?

[Mr.LichTwitch]

lol the democrates are the party of equality and progress and um ... yea our detractors need to be scilened and not exist

infact free speach for all aslong as it isnt against us

So you assume that I'm a Dem?

[PlugInMonster]

you mean like when you questioned a pre-emptive invasion and got labeled as "anti-american" or even coultergeisted as a "traitor", "red diaper doper baby" or "mental diseased"

fucking spare me, please?

Wait, so you don't like the Iraq War, thus let's let the Democrats rule everything forever? That makes so much sense... :rolleyes:

[Paralda]

Wait, so you don't like the Iraq War, thus let's let the Democrats rule everything forever? That makes so much sense... :rolleyes:

That's not the point, you ignorant fuck! Being against republicans doesn't mean that you're for democrats, and in addition to that, he wasn't just bashing the War in Iraq, he was bashing the way republicans treat people, using propaganda and fear to control a very confused country.

And don't even begin with the "lesser of two evils" argument, because while I may be pretty damn liberal, there are more than two choices, and if you can't see that, you need to burn your keyboard right now.

[Bissen]

Wait, so you don't like the Iraq War, thus let's let the Democrats rule everything forever? That makes so much sense... :rolleyes:
? Getz point. Den getz back here.

[Lethn]

If they stopped being the party of religious nuts and neocons.

This, the majority of Republicans now are a bunch of racist evangelicals and neo-conservatives, the only real Republican that was there was Ron Paul and he was a fiscal conservative ( look it up if you don't understand it for the sake of me not ranting at you ) but they actually had the idiocy to go and denounce the poor sod practically because he was the only person speaking out against the Federal Reserve who are the real cause of this mess we are all in now and talk about peace and freedom instead of blowing up the next country that would have even a drop of oil in it.

[Qikdraw]

1) Stop playing the politics of fear. Reagan it was the Commies, Bush sr it was war on drugs, Bush jr it was terrorism. Stop saying that if you vote democrat the big bad meanies are gonna come and kill your babies and eat them.
2) Personal responsibility. Become the party of responibility and stop blaming everybody else for your failures.
3) Step back from religion. There is nothing wrong with having a personal faith, but there is a reason for seperation of church and state.
4) Stop feeding the military industrial complex. They are wasting taxpayer dollars with 'cost plus' contracts, underbiding then overcharging, and basically taking the taxpayer for a ride.
5) Stop privatizing the military. It costs more taxpayer dollars.
6) Don't just talk about helping vets, do it. How many times have republican politicians voted against getting armour or healthcare benifits for troops? Its a hell of a lot. Even McCain who says all vets support him has a horrible rating from national vet organizations.
7) Talk about policy during campaigns instead of personal attacks on the other guy.
8) Stop using mercenaries.
9) Stop hating gays.
10) Quit with your war against abortion unless you're going to adopt every child.
11) Embrace national healthcare as its cheaper for taxpayers and everybody is covered.
12) Actually enforce regulations instead of ignoring them or getting rid of them. They are there for a reason.
13) Stop signing treaties and then talk about how your going to ignore them anyway. (Iraq SOFA)
14) Stop disenfranchising the poor so they can't vote.
15) Trickle down does not work, stop saying it does.
16) Stop tax loopholes for the rich. Let them pay their fair share, no more, no less.
17) Stop giving tax breaks to corporations making more than a billion dollars a year and focus more on small businesses.
19) Stop violating the Constitution to eavesdrop on every single American.
20) Close Guantanimo.
21) Stop propping up dictators just because they have resources we want.
22) Have an open government. We have every right to know what the hell you are doing behind closed doors. (other than obvious national security issues, I'm talking about domestic policy)
23) Close the School of the America's. (Google it)
24) Act in a truely bipartisian manner for the good of the country not just your donors. Don't say you'll act that way then refuse to and blame the democrats for it.
25) Admit you killed JFK and tell us where Jimmy Hoffa is.

To be fair some of that falls on democrats too, but still.

[rockyraccoon]

This, the majority of Republicans now are a bunch of racist evangelicals and neo-conservatives, the only real Republican that was there was Ron Paul and he was a fiscal conservative ( look it up if you don't understand it for the sake of me not ranting at you ) but they actually had the idiocy to go and denounce the poor sod practically because he was the only person speaking out against the Federal Reserve who are the real cause of this mess we are all in now and talk about peace and freedom instead of blowing up the next country that would have even a drop of oil in it.

Why is it that you can never post anything less then three lines?

[Lethn]

Why is it that you can never post anything less then three lines?

Hoot!

[Razel]

For those who absolutely can't vote for them right now, what would they have to do to win your vote(if at all possible)? I know for many the religious right component is a deal breaker, for others the war on drugs, etc...

tbh i dont think 'parties' are going to matter much in the future unless your an idiot.

[PlugInMonster]

tbh i dont think 'parties' are going to matter much in the future unless your an idiot.

Idiocracy?

[palo god]

Hoot!

One of these days an owl is going to shit in your mouth.

[PlugInMonster]

BTW, posting that you wish the GOP would disappear is not a viable option. One party rule is not healthy for the republic. Just a historical note, even at the zenith of the Democrat party in the 1930s, the Republicans still managed about 36% of the vote. So don't count on getting total control.

[Razel]

Idiocracy?

Mooacracy

[Skree]

For those who absolutely can't vote for them right now, what would they have to do to win your vote(if at all possible)? I know for many the religious right component is a deal breaker, for others the war on drugs, etc...Nothing.

They are owned by the same people who can afford to buy the democrats.

Neither will actually do anything in the interests of the citizens. Neither will ever get my vote.

I will not vote for traitors.

Skree

[PlugInMonster]

Nothing.

They are owned by the same people who can afford to buy the democrats.

Neither will actually do anything in the interests of the citizens. Neither will ever get my vote.

I will not vote for traitors.

Skree

That is your right as a citizen. Honestly I don't like any of them.

[DocGonzo]

Wait, so you don't like the Iraq War, thus let's let the Democrats rule everything forever? That makes so much sense... :rolleyes:

now now..weren't you the one bitching about straw men?

first, my point is that ruiniation has been occurring for a long time, exacerbated exponentially from 02 - now by the GOP

this has caused the inevitable blowback and now the D's are in charge for at least two years

imo, the best option would be for the real conservatives and libertarian minded folks to leave the GOP and start their own "brand"... let the neocons and theocons have what's left under Rove with Cheney making 3 am phonecalls and William Kristol frothing at the mouth onto Jerry Falwell

not advocating any kind of one party rule, and trying to imply such proves that you are as "intolerant" by the same rules as you claim "liberals" are in your other thread...

gg indeed, sir...

[Razel]

now now..weren't you the one bitching about straw men?

first, my point is that ruiniation has been occurring for a long time, exacerbated exponentially from 02 - now by the GOP

this has caused the inevitable blowback and now the D's are in charge for at least two years

imo, the best option would be for the real conservatives and libertarian minded folks to leave the GOP and start their own "brand"... let the neocons and theocons have what's left under Rove with Cheney making 3 am phonecalls and William Kristol frothing at the mouth onto Jerry Falwell

not advocating any kind of one party rule, and trying to imply such proves that you are as "intolerant" by the same rules as you claim "liberals" are in your other thread...

gg indeed, sir...

i was kinda hopen for a nuke to drop on them all, speed up the process and all that sorta thing

[PlugInMonster]

I beginning to really regret I opened this thread.

[DocGonzo]

I beginning to really regret I opened this thread.

welcome to Forumfall, nublet...

the first step is a doozy, make sure to pick up some asbestos longjohns, imo

[Spinewire]

If they would stop being so damn selfish, and then stop being so hypocritical.

"HEY GUYS, I WANT MORE PERSONAL FREEDOMS, AND I WANT THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF PEOPLES' LIVES. OH AND ALSO I WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE AWAY THE PERSONAL FREEDOMS OF GAYS AND I WANT IT TO BE ILLEGAL FOR A WOMAN TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS TOTALLY A MORAL CHOICE. ALSO: ANYTHING AGAINST MY SET OF MORALS MUST BE LABELLED UN-AMERICAN, AND I'M GOING TO HATE LITERALLY HALF THE COUNTRY! THANKS!"
http://imagechan.com/images/2911ec186690a76b9bb36e46e22aa6f3.jpg

[losinglife]

+Ron Paul

or actually be monetarily conservative

[Stabula]

For those who absolutely can't vote for them right now, what would they have to do to win your vote(if at all possible)? I know for many the religious right component is a deal breaker, for others the war on drugs, etc...

lol yeah right

[Girth]

I beginning to really regret I opened this thread.

Its to late you got doc's attention hes gonna take you under his wing now (only so you can't run)....and molest you ofc, both physically and verbally.

[Razel]

which football team,... err party is winning today? i wouldnt wana waste mah moneh or votez

[lafayette]

Ron Paul!

[Paralda]

You've gotta love how the OP has ignored every well organized argument against him (Lethn, Qikdraw, Apex Vertigo, etc).

[Spineless_DoO]

What is a neocon? I'm truly curious.

The entire party aside from Ron Paul and Barry Goldwater. That help?

[StainlessSteelRat]

What is a neocon? I'm truly curious.

Basically, any Republican since Goldwater.

[tallefred]

OP, you are aware of the Independent parties, right? So if the Repubs are gone it won't be a single party system, right?

[DocGonzo]

OP, you are aware of the Independent parties, right? So if the Repubs are gone it won't be a single party system, right?

you are going to confuse him with things like facts and reason...

[UPoopedUPants]

They need to stop interfering with the markets, I’m tired of republicans saying the same thing the democrats are saying about what we need to do about the failing markets. They need to stop policing the world, and stay the hell out of the nation building business. They need to end their moral war on society, you cant say what you want on the radio, the T.V, etc.

They need to end the war on drugs, and they need to stay the hell out of peoples business about what they want to put in their bodies. They need to get rid of the patriot act, and not support anyone who is for similar legislation. They need to respect the rule of law in this country and support our constitution.

lol yea pretty much, you sound like a libertarian

[TheFlameDeluge]

For those who absolutely can't vote for them right now, what would they have to do to win your vote(if at all possible)? I know for many the religious right component is a deal breaker, for others the war on drugs, etc...

the war on drugs is FUCKING RETARDED, i did my research paper on prison reform, and learned that the recent SPIKE in prison inmates was due to druggies getting locked up, even though drug therapy has been proven to be VASTLY more effective at curbing drug abuse. And why the fuck does america care what teenagers shoot up in their body in the first place!?

And, I'm going to give out a bias here, I was hindu (am now a buddhist? dunno, I guess my religion is basically "not islam or christianity") and the fact that the republican party catered to the religious right put me on the offensive against them even though i didn't really have a reason to not like them. I mean, I'm not for socialistic economy policies, I think we need to find a balance b/w what the dems push for (regulation/redistribution) and what the reps push for (free market/capatilism). But what i DO KNOW is "conservativeness" in social issues is ABSOLUTELY RETARDED. The reps push for social control and they are apparently the party of "small government"

[tallefred]

the war on drugs is FUCKING RETARDED, i did my research paper on prison reform, and learned that the recent SPIKE in prison inmates was due to druggies getting locked up, even though drug therapy has been proven to be VASTLY more effective at curbing drug abuse. And why the fuck does america care what teenagers shoot up in their body in the first place!?

And, I'm going to give out a bias here, I was hindu (am now a buddhist? dunno, I guess my religion is basically "not islam or christianity") and the fact that the republican party catered to the religious right put me on the offensive against them even though i didn't really have a reason to not like them. I mean, I'm not for socialistic economy policies, I think we need to find a balance b/w what the dems push for (regulation/redistribution) and what the reps push for (free market/capatilism). But what i DO KNOW is "conservativeness" in social issues is ABSOLUTELY RETARDED. The reps push for social control and they are apparently the party of "small government"

The repubs are NOT the party of small government for a while now... they are the party of complete government control. If you want a non-self serving political party you're going to have to look Independent, which people are completely unwilling to do.

[DocGonzo]

The repubs are NOT the party of small government for a while now... they are the party of complete government control. If you want a non-self serving political party you're going to have to look Independent, which people are completely unwilling to do.

i think folks are more than willing...

as soon as they get a realistic candidate as an Independent with national recognition that doesn't appear as an obvious throw away vote

haven't had it since Teddy Roosevelt and the Bull Moose Party

i'm just sayin'...

[tallefred]

i think folks are more than willing...

as soon as they get a realistic candidate as an Independent with national recognition that doesn't appear as an obvious throw away vote

haven't had it since Teddy Roosevelt and the Bull Moose Party

i'm just sayin'...

See, everybody says this... but what exactly is a throwaway vote? If you vote Independent, you make it more likely that other people will as well, by raising the percentage of Independent votes, and by talking to people about politics. Whenever someone asks you who you voted for and you say "XXX of the XXX Party", your spreading awareness of that party. I know for a fact that almost no one in my school knew about the Libertarian Party until I told them, and guess how I found out about it? Talking to my neighbor about politics. Thanks to my neighbor, a lot more people are aware of an independent party, and maybe they'll vote for it if Obama screws up badly. Even if they don't, maybe they'll tell someone else about it.

The "lesser evil" doesn't need your vote. Every time you vote for a mainstream political party you're perpetuating the problem with or current system, unless you truly agree with the candidates ideals. Voting for a lesser evil is just helping the evil, lesser or not, in the long run.

[DocGonzo]

it's not a matter of "party"...it's a matter of the piss poor candidates those current fringe parties put up for office...and that they appear to want to start at the top, with the Presidency...rather than from the beginning with school board seats, town councils...mayors and the like

Nadar, Bob Barr...you think any of these third party candidates can be taken anywhere near seriously?

such a candidate has to be blatantly and obviously better than the two mainstream parties' offerings to have any chance, and anything less won't make a dent in the public consciousness