Liberals are intolerant

[PlugInMonster]

I'll prove it on this thread. In general liberals are incapable of listening to an argument from anyone who is NOT them without:

* name calling
* attempting to shout down(or flame in the case internet with walls of text)
* engage in any logical fallacy in the book(red herrings, straw men, etc..)

No matter what, they will commit one of those offenses.

[PlugInMonster]

You see, it only took 1 response to prove my point. Easier then expected.

[thetheory]

Shocking revelations in this thread: Humans are assholes!

[PlugInMonster]

Shocking revelations in this thread: Humans are assholes!

BTW, I would extend my thread to say that extreme right wingers are assholes too. I myself, fall in the middle of the political spectrum. I simply baited the assholes with the "neocon" stuff to prove a point about them. They are more interested in labels then substance.

[Lethn]

You see, it only took 1 response to prove my point. Easier then expected.

Yes, you just proved to me that your a neo-con oh and plus I'm not a Liberal but I think you idiots in America have way too much irrational fear.

In fact it would be almost downright impossible for someone to put me in a political group because what I believe in hasn't been turned into a political group yet.

[Bruce 1337]

You see, it only took 1 response to prove my point. Easier then expected.

I think it is a little early to assume he is a liberal. For all we know, he is an incredibly conservative person who never takes risks- even the risk of crossing the street to spread his conservative ways to his misled liberal neighbors. He might even eat the same kind of sandwich every day.

[Percilles]

yea I think I heard it best somewhere

Liberalism is a Mental Disease lol

[Threven]

You see, it only took 1 response to prove my point. Easier then expected.

You haven't proved anything you're in off topic aka forumfall the place that mocks you even when trying to make a point.

[Trikk]

I just hope one day Britain and France will nuke the shit out of America, it's not like there's any human beings there.

[Bruce 1337]

In fact it would be almost downright impossible for someone to put me in a political group because what I believe in hasn't been turned into a political group yet.

So you're Independent?

[PlugInMonster]

You haven't proved anything you're in off topic aka forumfall the place that mocks you even when trying to make a point.

I'm slowly learning that fact. However there are a few sane men in here.

[PlugInMonster]

I just hope one day Britain and France will nuke the shit out of America, it's not like there's any human beings there.

So you think Sweden will get off scot-free in such a scenario? Believe me, I'll remember who incited it - a Swede.

[Bruce 1337]

I just hope one day Britain and France will nuke the shit out of America, it's not like there's any human beings there.

They won't beable to use weapons of mass destruction on America, Chuck Norris lives in Oklahoma

[Trikk]

Don't be silly, nothing lives in Oklahoma.

[Bruce 1337]

Don't be silly, nothing lives in Oklahoma.

Because Chuck has killed everything thats tried to live in there

[lafayette]

Go suck Reagan's or McCain's or Palin's cock or whoever's load you neo-cons are taking all over your face now. An leave liberals to be analy raped by Barack and Hillary.

Meanwhile the Libertarians and other sane people will be enjoying their last Christmas goose before the depression hits.

[Trikk]

the Libertarians
sane people

Ahahahahahaaha, that's a good one. High five!

[Apex Vertigo]

BTW, I would extend my thread to say that extreme right wingers are assholes too. I myself, fall in the middle of the political spectrum. I simply baited the assholes with the "neocon" stuff to prove a point about them. They are more interested in labels then substance.

I call bullshit. You've got some serious issues my friend, just accept that people have different opinions than you and you might not be right about everything. Seriously getting annoying to see you up on that horse preaching about how right you are and how crazy everyone else is.

[Bissen]

And this guy is 32 and tries to come HERE of all places to lecture US on who slimebags who in the politcal sprectre. You really are clueless Mr. Neocon jew.

Ha fuckity ha.

[Lethn]

Ha fuckity ha.

I lol'd.

[PlugInMonster]

I call bullshit. You've got some serious issues my friend, just accept that people have different opinions than you and you might not be right about everything. Seriously getting annoying to see you up on that horse preaching about how right you are and how crazy everyone else is.

I didn't say everyone else was crazy, just pointing out the actual crazy ones. BTW, this thread should be closed since my point was proven and no need to continue.

[Apex Vertigo]

I didn't say everyone else was crazy, just pointing out the actual crazy ones.

You lump everyone who identifies with the left as insane whack-jobs incapable of rational thought and prone to mud slinging. If not in direct threads like this one then in every single political post you've participated in. I've yet to see you argue one point because you seem to be too busy claiming that the opposition side isn't worthy of argument.

[PlugInMonster]

You lump everyone who identifies with the left as insane whack-jobs incapable of rational thought and prone to mud slinging. If not in direct threads like this one then in every single political post you've participated in. I've yet to see you argue one point because you seem to be too busy claiming that the opposition side isn't worthy of argument.

I'm a bit shell-shocked from a liberal blog I visit regularly that engages in ad-hominem against conservatives as a rule. That might color my approach.

[Ion_StormH]

Uh, nice. Sweeping statements. I like them. :) Worked so well in the past, didn't they?

[Gunther TheBlack]

I'll prove it on this thread. In general liberals are incapable of listening to an argument from anyone who is NOT them without:

* name calling
* attempting to shout down(or flame in the case internet with walls of text)
* engage in any logical fallacy in the book(red herrings, straw men, etc..)

No matter what, they will commit one of those offenses.


What kind of liberals?

Libertarians? (Yes libertarians fall under liberalism)
Classical liberals that are even too hardcore for libertarians?
Conservative liberals that are almost neo-cons?
Social liberals that are borderline social-democrats?
Or libertines who are too hardcore for anyone on this forum besides Matriel perhaps?


Liberalism is the school of "freedom", off course you got many different sub-courses that try to reach freedom in different ways.

[PlugInMonster]

Uh, nice. Sweeping statements. I like them. :) Worked so well in the past, didn't they?

Admittedly I do it out of a sense of revenge for what the other side does. I know it does nothing to advance the debate, but REVENGE!!!

[PlugInMonster]

What kind of liberals?

Classical liberals that are even too hardcore for libertarians?
Conservative liberals that are almost neo-cons?
Social liberals that are borderline social-democrats?
Or libertines who are too hardcore for anyone on this forum besides Matriel perhaps?

Daily Kos type liberals. The ones that type "Bushitler" or "AmeriKKKa".

[Ion_StormH]

Admittedly I do it out of a sense of revenge for what the other side does. I know it does nothing to advance the debate, but REVENGE!!!

I can nearly identify with that. :sly:

[PlugInMonster]

I can nearly identify with that. :sly:

It's a powerful motivator. I was consumed with revenge for the first several weeks after Obama's win, but then I realized that I wasn't actually achieving any goals except raising my blood pressure. I can't ever say that it was worth it, but when you lose your mind shitty things happen.

[Apex Vertigo]

Daily Kos type liberals. The ones that type "Bushitler" or "AmeriKKKa".

You get that crap from either side but blogs like that try to paint the liberal idealism as anti-american when its not. It might be anti-ideology of current administration, but you'll get the same thing these next 4 years from conservative bloggers and other groups.

[Gunther TheBlack]

Daily Kos type liberals. The ones that type "Bushitler" or "AmeriKKKa".


Social-liberals then.

Altho they are more along the line of social-democrats and have barely anything to do with true liberalism.

[PlugInMonster]

You get that crap from either side but blogs like that try to paint the liberal idealism as anti-american when its not. It might be anti-ideology of current administration, but you'll get the same thing these next 4 years from conservative bloggers and other groups.

So what, that doesn't absolve the left of their hateful acts. In the end, all we get is an endless "cycle of verbal violence" that never ends because nobody wants to declare a truce - would be perceived as weakness by the other side.

[PlugInMonster]

Social-liberals then.

Altho they are more along the line of social-democrats and have barely anything to do with true liberalism.

Actually I know what classical liberalism is and I would call myself a classic liberal. However 99% of people don't know what that means, so I'm not going to call myself a "liberal" in normal conversation so not to confuse the masses.

[Ion_StormH]

It's a powerful motivator. I was consumed with revenge for the first several weeks after Obama's win, but then I realized that I wasn't actually achieving any goals except raising my blood pressure. I can't ever say that it was worth it, but when you lose your mind shitty things happen.

Mh, I never felt "revenge" in any political loss. I was quite upset when the Irish rejected the Lisbon treaty, but then again, it simply showed the lack of public relations in the EU.

I would reckon that professional defeats are better dealt by analysing and overcoming the obstacles. Just like you said, it only raises blood pressure in any other case.

Emotional (i.e. personal) ones are another story alltogether, obviously.

[Apex Vertigo]

So what, that doesn't absolve the left of their hateful acts. In the end, all we get is an endless "cycle of verbal violence" that never ends because nobody wants to declare a truce - would be perceived as weakness by the other side.

Then why haven't you made a post saying 'Conservatives are intolerant' ? You admit both sides are wrong in what ever it is that is pissing you off, do find it better to add on to the 'cycle of verbal violence' by adding some of your own mindless rants using the same ad hominem strategy you try to scorn?

[PlugInMonster]

Mh, I never felt "revenge" in any political loss. I was quite upset when the Irish rejected the Lisbon treaty, but then again, it simply showed the lack of public relations in the EU.

I would reckon that professional defeats are better dealt by analysing and overcoming the obstacles. Just like you said, it only raises blood pressure in any other case.

Emotional (i.e. personal) ones are another story alltogether, obviously.

Actually I was quite good at taking nothing personal until Nov 4th and I suddenly lost it, even though I knew that Obama was going to win. I think I thought that the American people would change their minds at the last minute and I lost it when it didn't happen. I thought that America just went insane, and I went insane for a while with them. Then in a few weeks I realized that Obama is the new boss, same as the old boss and not "The devil incarnate" and I felt better. In fact with every passing day, Obama proves to be like Bill Clinton, it comforts me. I'd rather have Slick Willie 2.0, then a real ideologue in the White House.

[Gunther TheBlack]

Actually I know what classical liberalism is and I would call myself a classic liberal. However 99% of people don't know what that means, so I'm not going to call myself a "liberal" in normal conversation so not to confuse the masses.

In europe people understand the word liberal a lot different than in the usa.

Here you would be seen as a libertarian while in the usa they would see you as a socialist.

[PlugInMonster]

Then why haven't you made a post saying 'Conservatives are intolerant' ? You admit both sides are wrong in what ever it is that is pissing you off, do find it better to add on to the 'cycle of verbal violence' by adding some of your own mindless rants using the same ad hominem strategy you try to scorn?

I did state earlier in the thread that right-wingers are to blame as well. It's just not in the thread title, you are right on that.

[PlugInMonster]

In europe people understand the word liberal a lot different than in the usa.

Here you would be seen as a libertarian while in the usa they would see you as a socialist.

Yet when I call an American liberal a socialist, they lose their minds and rant like crazy. That is my experience. They get all like - "you're red baiting!"

[Ion_StormH]

Yet when I call an American liberal a socialist, they lose their minds and rant like crazy. That is my experience. They get all like - "you're red baiting!"

I think there's no real difference between communism and socialism in US America. :> That's McCarthy's legacy.

[PlugInMonster]

I think there's no real difference between communism and socialism in US America. :> That's McCarthy's legacy.

Communism = means of production owned by the people.
Socialism = means of production owned by the state.

However I never understood how Communism can exist in practical terms since "the people" need representatives, so I have to come to the conclusion that on that point Karl Marx was full of shit.

[hardboiled]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/John-stuart-mill-sized.jpg

Libbural reporting in.

[PlugInMonster]

Actually Communism can be implemented on a small scale(village), but is impossible for a nation of millions. So practically speaking, for a nation it's socialism.

[Gunther TheBlack]

Yet when I call an American liberal a socialist, they lose their minds and rant like crazy. That is my experience. They get all like - "you're red baiting!"


Call them social democrat then :)

But they sure as hell are not even near conservative or classical liberalism hehe.

If a european calls himself a liberal it's pretty certain that he's a conservative liberal/borderline-libertarian.

[Gunther TheBlack]

Communism = means of production owned by the people.
Socialism = means of production owned by the state.

However I never understood how Communism can exist in practical terms since "the people" need representatives, so I have to come to the conclusion that on that point Karl Marx was full of shit.


The state are the people.
;)

[PlugInMonster]

The state are the people.
;)

The end result is still the same for people like me. You can't implement a Bolshevik Revolution without a bloody civil war, which means that my life is forfeit in that scenario.

Another thing I've learned is that you can't have open, honest debate with someone if there is a vested interest involved. I'll expound more on that in a separate thread some other time.

[Ion_StormH]

The problem with far left or right ideas is that in the end, humans are not perfect.

This means, that the "unplannable" is always a possibilty, and that if the individual does not voluntarily admit to society's major will, society either breaks down because it ultimately becomes more and more people who choose so, or it opresses indiviudal freedom.

None of it a viable options - I debate with far left-wingers on a constant basis, and they're not getting it that there's a difference between How and the result.

They can never say "how it will be implemented", only "how it will look like", i.e. a vision, a belief - just like religion.

One even told me that "We simply plan it!" when I asked him "how to plan the unplannable".

[Sentinel]

Communism = means of production owned by the people.
Socialism = means of production owned by the state.

However I never understood how Communism can exist in practical terms since "the people" need representatives, so I have to come to the conclusion that on that point Karl Marx was full of shit.

The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property.

[Honest Bill]

The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property.


Except mine.

quoted from the Honest Bill Manifesto

[PlugInMonster]

The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property.

Some people think that private property should be abolished. They come up with some compelling arguments too.

[Gunther TheBlack]

Some people think that private property should be abolished. They come up with some compelling arguments too.


So who decides i live in this house then? What if someone else wants to live here? What if i wanna go live somewhere else?

I just kick the previous "inhabitants" out?


What do i need to work for?

[Sentinel]

Some people think that private property should be abolished. They come up with some compelling arguments too.

I think in a perfect world it could even work. In a perfect world resources are unlimited though, and that doesn't quite match with reality.;)

Funny thing, Marx said that religion is opium for the people, yet Communism is just another form of :ninja:religion.

[Gunther TheBlack]

I think in a perfect world it could even work. In a perfect world resources are unlimited though, and that doesn't quite match with reality.;)

Funny thing, Marx said that religion is opium for the people, yet Communism is just another form of :ninja:religion.

That's cause communism was opium for Marx and he was too stupid to notice he was actually doing the same thing religious people did. Blindly following an ideology.

[DocGonzo]

So what, that doesn't absolve the left of their hateful acts. In the end, all we get is an endless "cycle of verbal violence" that never ends because nobody wants to declare a truce - would be perceived as weakness by the other side.

i gotta just laugh at all this...it appears the OP employs the exact tactics he despises, and is more than a little upset that the failed ideology that has ruined our Nation in the last 8 years was soundly defeated

as for this "endless cycle", again i must call bullshit...there is no "liberal" putting up threads such as this one, or writing books calling opposing political positions a "mental disease" or "traitorous"

the truly galling thing to the rabid neocons and dittoheads has to be the centrist choices Barry has been making so far...the guy has managed to mildly piss off everyone with what he is doing even before getting in office, the hard Left hates some of his picks and positions and the hard right can't seem to get a grip on the guy now that all their hate and fear mongering has failed abysmally

"revenge" for Nov 4th? - the OP shows his cards right there, note he said nothing about fixing actual problems or solving issues to help the country in this very trying time, but "revenge" for his "team" losing...very telling indeed

might i postulate that folks like the OP are indeed part of the problem rather than any factor of the solution, with their rabid and mindless partisanship and brand loyalty


your mileage may vary...

[tallefred]

4 legs good, 2 legs bad, 4 legs good, 2 legs bad, 2 legs good, 4 legs better.

[DocGonzo]

4 legs good, 2 legs bad, 4 legs good, 2 legs bad, 2 legs good, 4 legs better.

well played indeed...

[PainlessDeath]

In general liberals are incapable of listening to an argument from anyone
This is such epic fail made worse by the fact that you don't know why.

lol

[Incanam]

Fail post is fail. All that need be said.

[Helgeran]

So you think Sweden will get off scot-free in such a scenario? Believe me, I'll remember who incited it - a Swede.
Like you'd have the nuke codes, I bet you don't even vote.

[Helgeran]

So who decides i live in this house then? What if someone else wants to live here? What if i wanna go live somewhere else?

I just kick the previous "inhabitants" out?


What do i need to work for?
If there are enough houses for everyone having laws against that sort of thing (house invasion) can coexist with communism. Don't think of it as property, think of it as you're using the house right now, that a house is a tool you hold on to for a few years. This would be feasible with a great amount of automation or a few very productive individuals (which becoming the case in welfare states, the so called 3/4-society) but problem is: that would probably suck since most people go nuts without a job and if you have mock jobs just to keep people happy they wouldn't feel they'd be contributing. That's probably why many non-property advocates long for the times long past when it was just you and your tribe and your daily job was hunting mammoth.

[Spinewire]

Yes, you just proved to me that your a neo-con oh and plus I'm not a Liberal but I think you idiots in America have way too much irrational fear.

In fact it would be almost downright impossible for someone to put me in a political group because what I believe in hasn't been turned into a political group yet.
You belive you're an owl ffs... The monster raving loony party is not around anymore so i guess your shit out of luck.

Vote conservative

[Paralda]

You see, it only took 1 response to prove my point. Easier then expected.

Um, no, it's just that you broke the first rule of Forumfall.

If you're new, don't EVER make a thread. You haven't proven yourself yet.

[Xzi]

Absolutely everyone is intolerant in some fashion. It's just a matter of to what extent. And by definition alone Liberals are more open-minded and tolerant than those who think Conservatively.

[Desperado[1G]]

Absolutely everyone is intolerant in some fashion. It's just a matter of to what extent. And by definition alone Liberals are more open-minded and tolerant than those who think Conservatively.

political liberal =! liberal


Yet another ass-backwards aspect of that political bloc

[Xzi]

;2199695']political liberal =! liberal


Yet another ass-backwards aspect of that political bloc
Yea, I know. That's why I didn't use the political versions of the terms. The OP didn't specify.

[Hackapell]

Keep snapping up that bait Forumfall.