Happy bill of rights day!

[PaleOne]

217 years of the one thing that made our country unique..too bad they don't pay much attention to it.

http://www.downsizedc.org/blog/today-is-bill-of-rights-day

[Carl Ragadamn]

217 years of the one thing that made our country unique..too bad they don't pay much attention to it.

http://www.downsizedc.org/blog/today-is-bill-of-rights-day

The problem is not that they stopped paying attention to the rights, it is that we the people started to believe that the rights were given to us by the government. As soon as we strayed from the concept that they were rights inherent in all men, we were doomed to let them slip one after another into tatters.

[Razel]

The problem is not that they stopped paying attention to the rights, it is that we the people started to believe that the rights were given to us by the government. As soon as we strayed from the concept that they were rights inherent in all men, we were doomed to let them slip one after another into tatters.

sad indeed. Kinda makes ya wonder wtf they teach in schools now days.

[PaleOne]

The problem is not that they stopped paying attention to the rights, it is that we the people started to believe that the rights were given to us by the government. As soon as we strayed from the concept that they were rights inherent in all men, we were doomed to let them slip one after another into tatters.

Agreed

[saris]

I dont, the problem is keeping buisness seprate from congrass

[stalwart]

we should make the govt afraid of us again.

[PaleOne]

we should make the govt afraid of us again.

Be careful Big Brother is Watching..!

But all those people rushing out to buy guns before Obama is inaugurated aren't planning hunting trips...

[Honorius]

Be careful Big Brother is Watching..!

But all those people rushing out to buy guns before Obama is inaugurated aren't planning hunting trips...

I am.

[The Cougar]

This should be a federal holiday in USA. Fuck, if Martin Luther King and Colombus gets one, why can't the Bill of Rights?

[Ziegler]

sad indeed. Kinda makes ya wonder wtf they teach in schools now days.

They teach that there is no higher power than man. No god, and if no higher authority, then our rights come from man as well...and anything given by a man may be taken by a man.

[Capricious]

Columbus day should not be a holiday.

[rockyraccoon]

Columbus day should not be a holiday.

if you can sail across the atlantic in order to kill, rape and pillage the local residents, you shouldn't. but since he was the first in a long line of people who did, he does get a holiday for it.

[scotw1t]

Columbus day should not be a holiday.

Probably not. But that doesn't make Columbus any less of an important historical figure. Maybe we should just drop the myth behind Columbus, and teach the truth about him and what he did. But then again, are little kids ready to hear that? Maybe, maybe not. /shrug.

[Capricious]

Probably not. But that doesn't make Columbus any less of an important historical figure. Maybe we should just drop the myth behind Columbus, and teach the truth about him and what he did. But then again, are little kids ready to hear that? Maybe, maybe not. /shrug.

I want a Magellan day too than.

[saris]

Probably not. But that doesn't make Columbus any less of an important historical figure. Maybe we should just drop the myth behind Columbus, and teach the truth about him and what he did. But then again, are little kids ready to hear that? Maybe, maybe not. /shrug.


Pastwach The Redemtion of Christopher Columbus

just have them read that.

Still if the natives where not warring endlessly with one another history may have been different.

[Mulambo]

Election day should be a motherfucking holiday too!

[The Cougar]

Columbus day should not be a holiday.
Agreed. That bastard gets way too much attention. Sure he's an important historical figure, but not quite as important as they try to make him out to be.

[Duffren]

sad indeed. Kinda makes ya wonder wtf they teach in schools now days.

I dunno what they're teaching elsewhere, but when I took my American Government class Senior year the teacher gave us all a copy of the constitution. I still have mine, but I wouldn't be surprised if most of my classmates threw theirs out.

[Capricious]

I dunno what they're teaching elsewhere, but when I took my American Government class Senior year the teacher gave us all a copy of the constitution. I still have mine, but I wouldn't be surprised if most of my classmates threw theirs out.

wtf is the constitution?

[PaleOne]

wtf is the constitution?

Are you Congressman by any chance?

[Duffren]

wtf is the constitution?

Its that blue book the teacher gave out on the first day. It was written like a bajillion years ago by a bunch of old guys wearing funny wigs after the king of England wouldn't come to their tea party.

[Silfurdreki]

What does it even say on that piece of paper anyway? What makes it so holy, worthy of reverence and different from all the other constitutions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution) out there?

This is the biggest thing I have never understood about the US, why is the constitution so set in stone that it hasen't changed a bit since it was written?

An answer would be interesting (and consist of opinions, obvuously).

[Capricious]

What does it even say on that piece of paper anyway? What makes it so holy, worthy of reverence and different from all the other constitutions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution) out there?

This is the biggest thing I have never understood about the US, why is the constitution so set in stone that it hasen't changed a bit since it was written?

An answer would be interesting (and consist of opinions, obvuously).

Hmmm, my comment was in jest. You sir, can go to hell.

[Silfurdreki]

Hmmm, my comment was in jest. You sir, can go to hell.

Ze wat?

I'm serious, and I didn't write that post in response to your post, but to the topic as a whole. I mean if a constitution is good enough to get it's own holiday it's gotta have something special, right?

I was merely curious.

[The Cougar]

What does it even say on that piece of paper anyway? What makes it so holy, worthy of reverence and different from all the other constitutions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution) out there?

This is the biggest thing I have never understood about the US, why is the constitution so set in stone that it hasen't changed a bit since it was written?

An answer would be interesting (and consist of opinions, obvuously).
Have you read it?

[Silfurdreki]

Have you read it?

No, I only know of a few pieces of it. This is why I asked what the so great parts are.

[PirateGlen]

What does it even say on that piece of paper anyway? What makes it so holy, worthy of reverence and different from all the other constitutions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution) out there?

This is the biggest thing I have never understood about the US, why is the constitution so set in stone that it hasen't changed a bit since it was written?

An answer would be interesting (and consist of opinions, obvuously).

US Constitution is more difficult to amend than other country's constitutions.

[The Cougar]

No, I only know of a few pieces of it. This is why I asked what the so great parts are.
Open Wiki and read the important points then, if you don't see why it's so great come back and ask again.

[Silfurdreki]

US Constitution is more difficult to amend than other country's constitutions.

I don't really see how this is an inherently good thing, but sure.

I skimmed the wikipedia article on the US constitution, and it was pretty standard constitution stuff, as far as I know, at least. Still don't think it deserves a holiday, but then again, there are many stupid holidays around the world.

[PirateGlen]

I don't really see how this is an inherently good thing, but sure.

I skimmed the wikipedia article on the US constitution, and it was pretty standard constitution stuff, as far as I know, at least. Still don't think it deserves a holiday, but then again, there are many stupid holidays around the world.

Well because legislatures are notorious for running buck wild with new populist trends. If they were free to change the constitution as easily as any other law, it wouldn't mean anything. It's wouldn't be a higher law, it would just be one set of laws among the sea of other laws they shit out.

Since lots of parts of the constitution are about protecting the minority from the majority, it would be pretty useless if it only took a simple majority to amend the constitution and thus eliminate these minority protections.

[The Cougar]

I don't really see how this is an inherently good thing, but sure.

I skimmed the wikipedia article on the US constitution, and it was pretty standard constitution stuff, as far as I know, at least. Still don't think it deserves a holiday, but then again, there are many stupid holidays around the world.
The Ten Amendments of the Bill of Rights has become the very symbol of freedom itself and acts like the guarantee of protection of personal liberties in America. That's why it's so great (for every thinking individual that is).

[Polkuj]

The Ten Amendments of the Bill of Rights has become the very symbol of freedom itself and acts like the guarantee of protection of personal liberties in America. That's why it's so great (for every thinking individual that is).


That sounds like american propaganda...

[Silfurdreki]

The Ten Amendments of the Bill of Rights has become the very symbol of freedom itself and acts like the guarantee of protection of personal liberties in America. That's why it's so great (for every thinking individual that is).

Oooh, I think we have a definition on our hands here, definitions are not to be trifled with.

If I understand you correctly, then the Bill of Rights is the definition of freedom in the US. This is interesting, since a definition is only valid as long as you play by the rules of the system that something is defined in. This is probably a big part of the "everyone else hates the US" situation that seems to crop up time and time again. The rest of the world do not play by the same rules as the US (obviously, since if they did, all countries would have the same constitution). This coupled with the urge to spread the US definition of freedon that US presidents have had during the last half a century or so. The spreading of the definition has been met with varying degrees of success, and have made quite a few people very angry.

I tried my best not to offend anyone with this post, so please try and not be. This is my take on the problem, in any case, so it's just opinions after all.

[palo god]

What does it even say on that piece of paper anyway? What makes it so holy, worthy of reverence and different from all the other constitutions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution) out there?

This is the biggest thing I have never understood about the US, why is the constitution so set in stone that it hasen't changed a bit since it was written?

An answer would be interesting (and consist of opinions, obvuously).

Because we have the best constitution ever written, and that's fact not opinion.

[Polkuj]

Because we have the best constitution ever written, and that's fact not opinion.

I hope you're kidding...

[Ghostpaw]

I hope you're kidding...

Well then, let me know when you have found a better constitution.

[palo god]

I hope you're kidding...

I'm not, find me a better one.

[DarkCrusader]

217 years of the one thing that made our country unique..too bad they don't pay much attention to it.

http://www.downsizedc.org/blog/today-is-bill-of-rights-day

I hear that.............:(:(

[Polkuj]

Well then, let me know when you have found a better constitution.

You seems to be fucking sure u got da best fucking one, so i assume you read all constitutions that have been ever written, didn't you ?
That would be really fucking dumb and close-minded, am i right ?

Or maybe you think your own opinion is the fucking absolute truth ?

[palo god]

You seems to be fucking sure u got da best fucking one, so i assume you read all constitutions that have been ever written, didn't you ?
That would be really fucking dumb and close-minded, am i right ?

Just stop posting and go back to GD frenchy.

[Ghostpaw]

You seems to be fucking sure u got da best fucking one, so i assume you read all constitutions that have been ever written, didn't you ?
That would be really fucking dumb and close-minded, am i right ?

Or maybe you think your own opinion is the fucking absolute truth ?

A little sensitive, aren't you?

[Polkuj]

Just tired of guys who underate every foreign countrys because they've got a lack of knowledge.

[palo god]

Just tired of guys who underate every foreign countrys because they've got a lack of knowledge.

Its a shame you reinforce that belief.

[Lethn]

You know the sad thing about all of this is that the people have never really forced the government to be independent in the first place, they still pay their taxes and they still pledge money to the parties'.

Quite frankly if I were to set up a system of government I would keep the government and people ENTIRELY seperate and not just with businesses, I would let the government make there own businesses if they wanted so they could generate funding or invest their own money so they can earn even more so they don't have to tax off the people.

But of course people just love it when the government attempts to control every part of their lives.

The only time the people will be truly free from the government is if they both stop relying on each other.

[Spineless_DoO]

This should be a federal holiday in USA. Fuck, if Martin Luther King and Colombus gets one, why can't the Bill of Rights?

I dont think Obama would be very happy about that holiday. It kind of contradicts everything he stands for. We cant have our new liberation/socialist leader being upset now can we?

[Spineless_DoO]

Well then, let me know when you have found a better constitution.

It wont happen. Well.... It could. I mean opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one but we all think the other guys stinks.

[The Cougar]

Oooh, I think we have a definition on our hands here, definitions are not to be trifled with.

If I understand you correctly, then the Bill of Rights is the definition of freedom in the US. This is interesting, since a definition is only valid as long as you play by the rules of the system that something is defined in. This is probably a big part of the "everyone else hates the US" situation that seems to crop up time and time again. The rest of the world do not play by the same rules as the US (obviously, since if they did, all countries would have the same constitution). This coupled with the urge to spread the US definition of freedon that US presidents have had during the last half a century or so. The spreading of the definition has been met with varying degrees of success, and have made quite a few people very angry.

I tried my best not to offend anyone with this post, so please try and not be. This is my take on the problem, in any case, so it's just opinions after all.
I'm not trying to define freedom, and the Bill of Rights is not the definition of freedom, neither with me or in the US in general. It's a symbol of freedom and should be respected as such because it was written in the spirit of protecting personal liberties among the people. I personally feel that what's written in the Bill of Rights holds true even, or I should say, especially today. However, I don't endorse imposing these rules on countries that doesn't wish to agree with them.

You're claiming the US has created a "problem" because of imperialism resulting from wanting to "spread" their "definition" of freedom. Thus you're drawing your own, ridiculous conclusions out of your already fallacious argument. I sincerely wish Matriel was here to show you exactly how wrong you are. :(

[The Cougar]

I dont think Obama would be very happy about that holiday. It kind of contradicts everything he stands for. We cant have our new liberation/socialist leader being upset now can we?
This text is to be read slowly, while imagining Obama standing in front of a huge crowd, speaking to the people:

Absolutely not. No matter how well-meaning the intentions of our founding fathers were, the Bill of Rights should never, I repeat, never, be understood in their literal meaning, and instead act as guidelines for in which manner this country should be ran. The wills of the great American patriots who wrote these amendments were for them to be amended, so they would not be slowly obliterated as victims of the tooth of time, but instead be reinforced through every new presidency. Citizens of the United States, I plead to you, that from today forward, let us write our own constitution, not with the pen, but through our own, very actions. YES WE CAN! AND GOD BLESS AMERICA!

*thunderous applause*