Why do people bring personal agendas to MMO's?

[Sausagebones]

They see a game and they want to pick it apart and have it changed to be just like every other game on the market. I will never understand this.

Darkfall is going to be a different kind of game. People wont accept this though, they want to see classes added to the game, instances added to the game, raid content, and a laundry list of other crap that EVERY other game on the market has.

Why cant Darkfall just be different and why cant they go back and play <insert generic MMO here> ?

[stalwart]

They see a game and they want to pick it apart and have it changed to be just like every other game on the market. I will never understand this.

Darkfall is going to be a different kind of game. People wont accept this though, they want to see classes added to the game (world of warcraft), instances added to the game (world of warcraft), raid content (world of warcraft), and a laundry list of other crap (world of warcraft) that EVERY other game on the market has.

Why cant Darkfall just be different and why cant they go back and play <insert generic MMO here> (world of warcraft)?

i added, in bold, the answers.

[Ka-Wiz]

because they are idiots.

get used to it, forumfall is teeming with 'em.

[Purplekjw]

The majority of us like Darkfall pretty much the way it is. It's the minority that complain and want everything changed...

[Sausagebones]

i added, in bold, the answers.

Eh? Warcraft, EQ II, AoC, SWG, they are all virtual clones of one another at this point. Thats why I said "generic".

[gtanner]

Hating WoW is just a band wagon on this forum, in reality it is an ok game just not really for me.

Noone likes to say anything like that due to the amount of children on his forum.

[Thoric]

Seeing a variant of "OMG we've been waiting for Darkfall soo long, don't let it get ruined by PvP" makes me cringe.

[stalwart]

Eh? Warcraft, EQ II, AoC, SWG, they are all virtual clones of one another at this point. Thats why I said "generic".

huh? but i would say that WoW would be the reason that most people demand those things. that's all they know.

[Glue Gun]

the problem with MMOs is WoW.

I am not saying WoW is a horrible game (though I think it is). It is the fact that WoW brought MMOs to the main stream which brought in all the idiots and 1334 kiddies.

MMO communities where much better before WoW.

I think if your only MMO experience is WoW (or other EQ clone games such as DAoC/Vangurd) you should not be able to post on the Advanced boards.

[Adramlech]

WoW is the plague of gaming, it has done nothing favourable and only bought about destruction of a once decent community.

Apox on WoWfags.

[Kaol]

I thought you would say UO, i don't see many people supporting WoW here but alot of people want to see a clone of a game with 8-bit graphics that i'd never heard of :eek:

[Sausagebones]

huh? but i would say that WoW would be the reason that most people demand those things. that's all they know.

True. But even the people who dont play WoW are essentially playing WoW because all games on the market are essentially clones of WoW. See my point? :)

[omnigol]

It's the immaturity of MMOs imo. Once more types of MMOs start cropping up people will start categorizing them as different types of games and treating them as such. Until games like Darkfall establish some economnic success we're going to get all the dumbasses that are too dumb to realize this isn't WoW version2.0 darkfall edition.

[Rougie]

The majority of us like Darkfall pretty much the way it is. It's the minority that complain and want everything changed...

Yes, we like our little niche mmog here at Darkfall, and I think that it's despicable how all these WoW players (and suchlike), come here trying to change DF into something other (ie. A WoW-clone) than the niche mmog it's intended to be.

[Kvothe]

It doesn't make much sense, since those people are here probably because of dissatisfaction with those other games. But they probably see it more as being bored with those games rather than being dissatisfied. But really, are the forums overrun with these posters? It doesn't seem that way to me, but maybe I'm missing something.

[stalwart]

True. But even the people who dont play WoW are essentially playing WoW because all games on the market are essentially clones of WoW. See my point? :)

it's why i went back. if they are going to clone it, why not join the "original."

[forestchild]

They see a game and they want to pick it apart and have it changed to be just like every other game on the market. I will never understand this.

Darkfall is going to be a different kind of game. People wont accept this though, they want to see classes added to the game, instances added to the game, raid content, and a laundry list of other crap that EVERY other game on the market has.

Why cant Darkfall just be different and why cant they go back and play <insert generic MMO here> ?

Those who ask to implement themepark featers, are just silly themepark players some will buy game but leave after a week or maybe few weeks.

After a few months only those still playing play becouse they like how darkfall is, just ignore them.

[forestchild]

it's why i went back. if they are going to clone it, why not join the "original."

WoW is not original at all, almost whole game is stolen from other games there is nothing original about that game:P

[Glue Gun]

WoW is not original at all, almost whole game is stolen from other games there is nothing original about that game:P

WoW is moslty an EQ clone with some DAoC thrown in there. (DAoC was a clone of EQ as well so WoW is basically a dumbed down version of EQ)

[Aurorix]

I thought you would say UO, i don't see many people supporting WoW here but alot of people want to see a clone of a game with 8-bit graphics that i'd never heard of :eek:

My UO client is currently running in 32bit thanks. :P

[Kokanee_TFK]

Wow did a lot of things right. Add some real concequence for death, ability to dodge spells and arrows and a FFA world and I would still have an active account.

If Darkfall makes good on the majority of their intentions, it will be a game that will hold your attention for years.

[ineluki]

Wow did a lot of things right. Add some real concequence for death, ability to dodge spells and arrows and a FFA world and I would still have an active account.

If Darkfall makes good on the majority of their intentions, it will be a game that will hold your attention for years.

WOW, did things that had already been done right with EQ1,that`s all it is,a more modern copy of EQ1 game-play.

Even their two leading game designers come from EQ1.

[dirtydurrant]

WoW is the plague of gaming, it has done nothing favourable and only bought about destruction of a once decent community.

Apox on WoWfags.

Whoah, wait. You're saying WoW did NOTHING good for the MMO community? Instead of the low population you once had, now you have games with a real world population? I'm sorry, I didn't realize that when you actually WANTED a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER online game.

Even now, some WoW players are going to experience DFO, and that type of game for the first time, and you're cursing them? You don't want people to try new things when they were introduced through mainstream? Everyone was a n00b once a upon a time, including yourself I might add.

[Neversoul]

Yes, we like our little niche mmog here at Darkfall, and I think that it's despicable how all these WoW players (and suchlike), come here trying to change DF into something other (ie. A WoW-clone) than the niche mmog it's intended to be.

Aw, you like being different. What a load of horseshit that is. Grow up.

[Neversoul]

WoW is not original at all, almost whole game is stolen from other games there is nothing original about that game:P

There is nothing unique about GTA 3, but it was still a milestone in gaming because of how it made use of common elements in games. A thing doesn't have to be made of totally unique components to be unique. Presentation, style, subtle difference, etc are all important.

[Sausagebones]

Aw, you like being different. What a load of horseshit that is. Grow up.

Actually its not about being different as much as it is being original. Sort of like the guy who likes to eat out at a nice steakhouse rather than going to mcdonalds every day. Or like the guy who appreciates a certain niche rock band but cant stand to listen to Jay-Z or all the other manufactured crap thats out there.

[travien]

WoW bashing is definitely bandwagon. I have no problem with the game. Personally I found it a little boring because I didn't think that the consequences were harsh if you died, and because you could avoid PK if you wanted to. Neither of those should be options.

As to why people bring personal agenda's to MMOs, that answer is obvious. People bring their own agenda's to everything they do in life and nothing about video gaming would ever suggest they should do differently. In fact, the lack of face to face interaction makes it easier for people to put on a front/act offensive/spew their stupid crap, than something that required face to face interaction.

[dirtydurrant]

WoW is not original at all, almost whole game is stolen from other games there is nothing original about that game:P

Oh hey, welcome to gaming, are you new here?

Gaming has never been original. Pong? yeah, that was taken from this idea called tennis. Or even bad mitton, or another game just like it. Hockey maybe? Soccer?

Blizzard did, what Blizzard does. Take an idea, and make it really bad ass. Look at their history - RTS's had been around years before Starcraft or warcraft came out, but Blizzard stepped in and made it really bad ass.

Diablo was actually an original idea, but RPGs had been around for sometime, but they put a different spin on it by giving you the new view (i forget what its called), and you just went in and slaughtered masses of monsters at a time. It was addicting, and still is.

WoW is no different. They decided to start their own, with the Warcraft lore, and people flocked to it cause they knew the lore, and were excited to get a feel of actually battling agains the horde (or the alliance depending on your choice). Being a late comer for MMOs (but certainly not a gamer) I'm not sure which of WoW's ideas are original, but there's bound to be some. I'm sure they took the instancing idea to a whole new level. I remember people telling me when they first started playing WoW, after playing EQ for years, that Deadmines was mind blowing. The detail in the game was just ridiculous.

You ridicule a game that's not popular because it's stupid. You ridicule a game that's popular because it's actually kind of fun to play. I play it. But you're right in a sense that some of the game is dumbed down compared to UO, or what DFO may be, but IMO, they really just cut out alot of the bullshit I don't want to deal with. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited to play DFO, and the ability to learn whatever skills I want, but I realize just like in every game, there's going to be a set of skills that work really well together, and some that don't.

[greeneggsnoham]

It has nothing to do with games. It's the human condition. When people join anything, they want to mold it to their personal wants and needs.

Work on any project with other people and you'll see what I mean. People join the project with their own set of ideas for how it would best work, which is really just a rationalization of what they want it to be.

It doesn't matter what it is - a game, a government, a country, a religion. People have their own priorities, and will try to convince others that their priorities are right or better.

*shrug*

[ineluki]

Oh hey, welcome to gaming, are you new here?

Gaming has never been original. Pong? yeah, that was taken from this idea called tennis. Or even bad mitton, or another game just like it. Hockey maybe? Soccer?

Blizzard did, what Blizzard does. Take an idea, and make it really bad ass. Look at their history - RTS's had been around years before Starcraft or warcraft came out, but Blizzard stepped in and made it really bad ass.

Diablo was actually an original idea, but RPGs had been around for sometime, but they put a different spin on it by giving you the new view (i forget what its called), and you just went in and slaughtered masses of monsters at a time. It was addicting, and still is.

WoW is no different. They decided to start their own, with the Warcraft lore, and people flocked to it cause they knew the lore, and were excited to get a feel of actually battling agains the horde (or the alliance depending on your choice). Being a late comer for MMOs (but certainly not a gamer) I'm not sure which of WoW's ideas are original, but there's bound to be some. I'm sure they took the instancing idea to a whole new level. I remember people telling me when they first started playing WoW, after playing EQ for years, that Deadmines was mind blowing. The detail in the game was just ridiculous.

You ridicule a game that's not popular because it's stupid. You ridicule a game that's popular because it's actually kind of fun to play. I play it. But you're right in a sense that some of the game is dumbed down compared to UO, or what DFO may be, but IMO, they really just cut out alot of the bullshit I don't want to deal with. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited to play DFO, and the ability to learn whatever skills I want, but I realize just like in every game, there's going to be a set of skills that work really well together, and some that don't.

The dungeons in EQ1 were more original than all of WOW dungeons,oh and eq1 had instanced dungeons in the shape of LDON.I would still say that EQ1 had and still has some of the best dungeons to date.

Vanguard has some fantastic dungeons as well,really original dungeons. The eq1 players who shot there loads over the dead mines must be fucking blind if they though that the dead mines pawned every fucking dungeon in EQ1....:bang:

[Neversoul]

The dungeons in EQ1 were more original than all of WOW dungeons,oh and eq1 had instanced dungeons in the shape of LDON.I would still say that EQ1 had and still has some of the best dungeons to date.

Vanguard has some fantastic dungeons as well,really original dungeons. The eq1 players who shot there loads over the dead mines must be fucking blind if they though that the dead mines pawned every fucking dungeon in EQ1....:bang:

You have clearly never played WoW or completed any of its content worth talking about

[Preka]

They see a game and they want to pick it apart and have it changed to be just like every other game on the market. I will never understand this.

Darkfall is going to be a different kind of game. People wont accept this though, they want to see classes added to the game, instances added to the game, raid content, and a laundry list of other crap that EVERY other game on the market has.

Why cant Darkfall just be different and why cant they go back and play <insert generic MMO here> ?

Why do people whine about every aspect of a game they don't like? I don't know....

Cooldowns were originally developed by games like WoW to create a rock,paper, scissors enviornment so that the simple minded players could compete in PvP.

I will be most unpleased if they are in this game.

...You tell me.

[Sausagebones]

You have clearly never played WoW or completed any of its content worth talking about

I have. I stopped playing right after ZG went into the game. It just got so fucking boring running the same crap over and over and over again. In EQ1 it wasnt as bad because it was a first time game and the dungeons didnt feel like they were copy and pasted from another game.

WoW had its moments though. I liked playing AV until they turned it into a PvE grind fest. Ultimately I never really liked the idea of instanced PvP though.

Instanced PvP is PvP for PvE players. Plain and simple.

[Ozkar67]

Whoah, wait. You're saying WoW did NOTHING good for the MMO community? Instead of the low population you once had, now you have games with a real world population? I'm sorry, I didn't realize that when you actually WANTED a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER online game.

Even now, some WoW players are going to experience DFO, and that type of game for the first time, and you're cursing them? You don't want people to try new things when they were introduced through mainstream? Everyone was a n00b once a upon a time, including yourself I might add.

No, people don't care if WoWbears try this game, hell i hope most come over. What we don't like is them trying to change the game to their carebear needs.

[DaveDFF]

They see a game and they want to pick it apart and have it changed to be just like every other game on the market. I will never understand this.

Darkfall is going to be a different kind of game. People wont accept this though, they want to see classes added to the game, instances added to the game, raid content, and a laundry list of other crap that EVERY other game on the market has.

Why cant Darkfall just be different and why cant they go back and play <insert generic MMO here> ?

Agree 100% , most people do not generally have the control to enjoy a game and ignore the haters.

But a few do, those that do generally have lives and are capable of differentiating between reality and fun game time.

[Neversoul]

I have. I stopped playing right after ZG went into the game. It just got so fucking boring running the same crap over and over and over again. In EQ1 it wasnt as bad because it was a first time game and the dungeons didnt feel like they were copy and pasted from another game.

WoW had its moments though. I liked playing AV until they turned it into a PvE grind fest. Ultimately I never really liked the idea of instanced PvP though.

Instanced PvP is PvP for PvE players. Plain and simple.

So you haven't played WoW in like...3 years then? How can you possibly speak about the state of the game today?

[Arellius]

MO communities where much better before WoW.




:lmao:

....wait...that was a joke right?

[Neversoul]

No, people don't care if WoWbears try this game, hell i hope most come over. What we don't like is them trying to change the game to their carebear needs.

No one hear can change the game. But we can be concerned, disappointed, or frustrated at the lack of certain features.

[unit667]

Eh? Warcraft, EQ II, AoC, SWG, they are all virtual clones of one another at this point. Thats why I said "generic".

SWG in the golden days before the "Combat Updates"...... Good times.

[Kabes]

I want Darkfall to be the way the Devs have said it supposed to be.

Anyone who doesnt like the concept of this game need to get a grip..

Wait till you play it before you try and change it..

[Coverzin]

I see this too, and it is annoying. However, I am not only annoyed with the people who suggest things from other MMOs, but also those who suggest random new ideas which, quite clearly, do not fit into the general shceme of darkfall.

[Neversoul]

People treat this game like their baby. Like any disapointment or frustration is entirely unwarranted. It's sad.

[Sausagebones]

So you haven't played WoW in like...3 years then? How can you possibly speak about the state of the game today?

Because I have grand vision my friend and I could see where the game was heading. It actually doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure it all out.

I check back from time to time and read up about what improvements are being added to most all MMO's. Nothing that I have seen from WoWs camp has really struck me as an impressive feature. In fact, when they talked about adding in Arena based PvP is probably about the time when i stopped checking up on it entirely. I did get some good laughs out of it though. If WoW could score humor points it would be right up there with Guild Wars and SWG and other joke games of the last several years.

Honestly, world PvP and all the awesome vids i saw of WoW PvP in 2004 is what originally brought me to that game. I thought it could have been revolutionary at that time. But it went down hill the second they made battlegrounds and took all emphasis away from the world itself. Players like me want to have an effect on the game, we dont want to play some PvP minigame that has no effect on the world itself. WoW is one giant sideshow act and is really just a bunch of minigames that fit into one game. Hardly worthy of being an MMO imo.

[Neversoul]

Because I have grand vision my friend and I could see where the game was heading. It actually doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure it all out.

I check back from time to time and read up about what improvements and what not are being added to most all MMO's. Nothing that I have seen from WoWs camp has really struck me as an impressive feature. In fact talked about adding in Arena based PvP is probably when i stopped checking up on it entirely. I did get some good laughs out of it though. If WoW could score humor points it would be right up there with Guild Wars and SWG and other joke games of the last several years.

Honestly, world PvP and all the awesome vids i saw of WoW PvP in 2004 is what originally brought me to that game. I thought it could have been revolutionary at that time. But it went down hill the second they made battlegrounds and took all emphasis away from the world itself. Players like me want to have an effect on the game, we dont want to play some PvP minigame that has no effect on the world itself. WoW is one giant sideshow act and is really just a bunch of minigames that fit into one game. Hardly worthy of being an MMO imo.

You don't seem to have any knowledge at all of content that's been added. Too bad.

[Preka]

Because I have grand vision my friend and I could see where the game was heading.

Did you seriously just say that? Oh christ.

SAUSAGEBONES: MMO VISIONARY

[Krydon]

Hating WoW is just a band wagon on this forum, in reality it is an ok game just not really for me.

Noone likes to say anything like that due to the amount of children on his forum.

People don't hate WoW so much as they hate the child-like mentality of the people who play it.

[Sausagebones]

You don't seem to have any knowledge at all of content that's been added. Too bad.

No, and it doesnt really matter. I knew that the game was moving away from my playstyle so i stopped playing the game. I sure didnt go into the WoW forums and bitch about it like you guys are doing here. I had enough decency to realize that other people did like the game and I didnt want to push my agendas to have it changed. I just quietly moved on.

[Neversoul]

People don't hate WoW so much as they hate the child-like mentality of the people who play it.

/facepalm

[Neversoul]

No, and it doesnt really matter. I knew that the game was moving away from my playstyle so i stopped playing the game. I sure didnt go into the WoW forums and bitch about it like you guys are doing here. I had enough decency to realize that other people did like the game and I didnt want to push my agendas to have it changed. I just quietly moved on.

I'm pretty sure you were talking shit about WoW content, and I'm pretty sure that having absolutely nothing to back that up makes you stupid. Grats

[Stromdur]

True. But even the people who dont play WoW are essentially playing WoW because all games on the market are essentially clones of WoW. See my point? :)

ok, so what games are clones of WoW?

MMO's didnt start 4 years ago.

[Sausagebones]

I'm pretty sure you were talking shit about WoW content, and I'm pretty sure that having absolutely nothing to back that up makes you stupid. Grats

Back what up? I said WoW is not for me. Whats there to backup? Thats my own personal opinion. I have played WoW enough to know its not my game. Unless they have added risk to the game and World PvP, but as we both know they have not done this, have they?

Im not gonna stand here and ask you what your favorite color is and then tell you that you need to convince me why thats your favorite color. If your favorite color is red then thats great man, congrats.

[Cookjk]

I think the problem is the people who think there should be changes. Well the game has it's features and if you don't like it than don't play it. Some people want more of a game than the simple WOW clones out there that no longer are MMORPGs. The MMO community has gone to shit since WOW because it brought in all the no true gamers into the MMO market.

[Neversoul]

Back what up? I said WoW is not for me. Whats there to backup? Thats my own personal opinion. I have played WoW enough to know its not my game. Unless they have added risk to the game and World PvP, but as we both know they have not done this, have they?

Im not gonna stand here and ask you what your favorite color is and then tell you that you need to convince me why thats your favorite color. If your favorite color is red then thats great man, congrats.

You haven't played WoW enough to say shit. You are more than welcome to state your opinion, but if you qualify your opinion with debatable premises, you better have something good to say, rather than just spouting trash. You haven't played since 9/05. Stop talking about it.

[Sausagebones]

ok, so what games are clones of WoW?

MMO's didnt start 4 years ago.

Games that I have played that have adapted features of WoW.

EQII copied much of the achievement system from WoWs talent system. Plus many of the quests are the same. Go here, kill 10 rats, rinse and repeat. Go collect X number of this or that. These changes made to EQ went in largely after WoW had become a success.

SWG same thing. The NGE is basically just a copy pasted version of WoW mechanics. Where you have items with diminishing returns and dumbed down cooldown abilities with an equally useless talent system. The game went from being crafting dependant to instance farming. Need I say more?

AoC same thing. AoC is basically WoW with a better combat system and boobs and blood. EXACTLY THE SAME TYPE OF GAME. You have your basic classes that all fit into a rock, paper, scissors formula both in PvE and PvP and combat is almost as predictable as counting from one to ten.

I could probably name others but I think you get the point here.

[Stromdur]

Games that I have played that have adapted features of WoW.

EQII copied much of the achievement system from WoWs talent system. Plus many of the quests are the same. Go here, kill 10 rats, rinse and repeat. Go collect X number of this or that. These changes made to EQ went in largely after WoW had become a success.

SWG same thing. The NGE is basically just a copy pasted version of WoW mechanics. Where you have items with diminishing returns and dumbed down cooldown abilities with an equally useless talent system. The game went from being crafting dependant to instance farming. Need I say more?

AoC same thing. AoC is basically WoW with a better combat system and boobs and blood. EXACTLY THE SAME TYPE OF GAME. You have your basic classes that all fit into a rock, paper, scissors formula both in PvE and PvP and combat is almost as predictable as counting from one to ten.

I could probably name others but I think you get the point here.

No all I see is, you dont know what you are talking about

1st off WoW released Nov23 2004

SWG released June 26 2003

EQ2 released Nov 8 2004

Both before WOW how exactly are they clones?

This is why the wow folks get picked on, it is because they think MMO gaming started with WoW.

There is no such thing as a WoW clone.

[Sausagebones]

You haven't played WoW enough to say shit. You are more than welcome to state your opinion, but if you qualify your opinion with debatable premises, you better have something good to say, rather than just spouting trash. You haven't played since 9/05. Stop talking about it.

Look, I played WoW enough to know its not my game. Just because I havent played WoW in 2 1/2 years does not invalidate my opinion. Some people like to eat spinach, I dont particularly like spinach. You can add salt, cheese, whipped cream, whatever you want to spinach but underneith you still have spinach.

WoW PvP is not for me. Its PvP for PvE players. This is my opinion. The direction WoW has taken towards its PvP philosophy HAS NOT CHANGED since i quit playing the game. So thats why I havent gone back.

Am I speaking english to you?

[ineluki]

Games that I have played that have adapted features of WoW.

EQII copied much of the achievement system from WoWs talent system. Plus many of the quests are the same. Go here, kill 10 rats, rinse and repeat. Go collect X number of this or that. These changes made to EQ went in largely after WoW had become a success.

SWG same thing. The NGE is basically just a copy pasted version of WoW mechanics. Where you have items with diminishing returns and dumbed down cooldown abilities with an equally useless talent system. The game went from being crafting dependant to instance farming. Need I say more?

AoC same thing. AoC is basically WoW with a better combat system and boobs and blood. EXACTLY THE SAME TYPE OF GAME.

I could probably name others but I think you get the point here.

You must be fucking retarded if you think EQ2 didn't have as many kill 10 of these quests or collect this item quests in until wow put them in? Every single mmorpg has these types of quest. EQ1 had these types of quests and had an AA advancement system allowing you to make your toon more powerful just like WOW system.

EQ2 release date 25 Oct 2004
WOW release date 11/23/04

I agree AOC is a WOW type mmorpg and just like WOW,it`s fucking boring.

Name me one thing in WOW that has not been done before in a mmorpg before wow came along, go on do it.

[Volture777]

the problem with MMOs is WoW.

I am not saying WoW is a horrible game (though I think it is). It is the fact that WoW brought MMOs to the main stream which brought in all the idiots and 1334 kiddies.

MMO communities where much better before WoW.

I think if your only MMO experience is WoW (or other EQ clone games such as DAoC/Vangurd) you should not be able to post on the Advanced boards.

U dum? Dis wow all you want, but never smacktalk the daoc. Bash War, bash Aoc, bash AC (Darktide was a joke), bash EQ, but never bash the daoc. The 8v8 in that game was the only thing that has ever come close to true skill (skill, not hardcore omg i ganked u while you were fighting 6 mobs lolol) in an mmorpg. And I'm referring to actual skill, not people who think UO pvp took skill (I played UO for 2 years, EXTREMELY fun, but so easy a chipmunk could master pvp).

[Sausagebones]

No all I see is, you dont know what you are talking about

1st off WoW released Nov23 2004

SWG released June 26 2003

EQ2 released Nov 8 2004

Both before WOW how exactly are they clones?

This is why the wow folks get picked on, it is because they think MMO gaming started with WoW.

There is no such thing as a WoW clone.


Your right, they did start before WoW did. What your not seeing though is that both of those games have made significant changes since they released and they are a mere shadow of the way they use to be. Ask anyone who has played SWG.

The changes these games made took a heavy resemblance to alot of things we see in WoW. This is fact.

While neither of the games were initially WoW clones, they eventually became WoW clones.

[Wormbringer]

Because the kids that post here are the "Instant Gradification" generation who thinks the world should cater to their every need.. Not a lot of these twerps could of made it back in EQ's first 2 years... Talk about some long as time-sinks and MAJOR fricken crying over sparse loot.... /cry...

Honestly let them whine because it doesn't matter anyway.. The dev's are firm in their views and I love it... :)

[TariqOne]

Look, I played WoW enough to know its not my game. Just because I havent played WoW in 2 1/2 years does not invalidate my opinion. Some people like to eat spinach, I dont particularly like spinach. You can add salt, cheese, whipped cream, whatever you want to spinach but underneith you still have spinach.

The problem is you made a whole thread about spinach, a topic you really know nothing about.

/just sayin'

Anyway, WoW is fine. Not my thing anymore, really, but there are some high-quality people playing it and enjoying it and it's brought a lot of folks into the MMO space, widening the market for niche games. It probably has hastened the demise of a lot of those small games too, but honestly, we live in a world where WoW is the premier MMO. Nothing's gonna change that for a while.

[Shadius]

Eh, expect too see ton of them in Forum fall. BUt the thing too remember is once the game itself launches. all of those idiots complaining about it bring different will be gone. Just wait for the launch, and watch all of those players slowing fade away.

~Shadius

[ColonelTEE3]

They see a game and they want to pick it apart and have it changed to be just like every other game on the market. I will never understand this.

Darkfall is going to be a different kind of game. People wont accept this though, they want to see classes added to the game, instances added to the game, raid content, and a laundry list of other crap that EVERY other game on the market has.

Why cant Darkfall just be different and why cant they go back and play <insert generic MMO here> ?

Blasphemy. I demand more WoW clones.

[Sausagebones]

The problem is you made a whole thread about spinach, a topic you really know nothing about.

/just sayin'



Actually this thread isnt about WoW. Its about why people try and force their agendas in a game they probably wont enjoy anyway. Though it is kind of ironic how all of the WoW crowd showed up to post in this thread, dont you think?

I understand alot of you guys get real sensitive any time someone says something critical about WoW. Im sorry about that. If you read some of my comments I also said that there was a time when I liked WoW. Back when it first came out and before BG's went into the game. Even shortly there after, it was a fun game for me. But the game was moving in a direction that I didnt really see eye to eye with so I left. No big deal.

[Aeromir]

I play wow, and I am going to enjoy Darkfall just as it is...

I enjoy playing wow (not so much the grinding) But coordinated teamwork to overcome the endgame content is fun for me.

I have been following the progression of darkfall for years, and I think it will be an awesome game even tho its nothing like WoW![omg!]

I dont care if theres not any instances, but I hope there will be events in the game such as Dragons, or other big baddies that wreak havoc on some of the major cities in the game, and [hopefully] bring players out of their pvp frenzy to join their fellow Darkfallers in defense of the land! :)

[TariqOne]

Actually this thread isnt about WoW. Its about why people try and force their agendas in a game they probably wont enjoy anyway. Though it is kind of ironic how all of the WoW crowd showed up to post in this thread, dont you think?
Sorry, correct. Most of your posts in the thread are about WoW, but your initial post starting the thread only seems to obliquely refer to WoW, but does not mention it.

My bad.

[Llewen]

Seeing a variant of "OMG we've been waiting for Darkfall soo long, don't let it get ruined by PvP" makes me cringe.

Yes, we like our little niche mmog here at Darkfall, and I think that it's despicable how all these WoW players (and suchlike), come here trying to change DF into something other (ie. A WoW-clone) than the niche mmog it's intended to be.

That's really odd. I don't believe I've ever seen anyone posting on these forums how they'd like DfO to be like WoW. Get a grip. Post me more than one or two links of threads in these forums where people are requesting that Darkfall be turned into a WoW clone.

What I see are a bunch of paranoid little kids who think they own this game and don't want anyone else crashing their party. Allow me to burst your bubble. If Darkfall is as good as I think it is going to be, there are going to be hundreds of thousands playing it, and I very much doubt there will be many of them running around telling everyone how they wish the game was like WoW, and pestering the devs with the those kinds of requests.

Sure there are going to be a few that won't understand the how and why of there not being any instances, classes, or levels in the game, but give them a week or two, and they'll get past that, and during that week or two, I very much doubt they'll be much of a threat to your game.

People don't hate WoW so much as they hate the child-like mentality of the people who play it.

Brutal, I'll second the face-palm a few threads down from this. "Child-like mentality"? The only "child-like mentality" I see in this thread belongs to you and yours. People of all ages and social classes have played and enjoyed WoW. If Darkfall achieves even the smallest measure of that kind of success, and appeal to a diverse clientelle, it will have done the financial backers of Aventurine proud and probably helped make them very wealthy.

Hopefully the potential clients won't be scared away by annoying little kids like you. And don't assume that because I think you are young and not very bright, that I want DfO to be a WoW clone. I want it to be everything the devs have said it will be. I'm looking foward to this game probably more than I've ever looked forward to a game in my short 43 years. If it turns into WoW, or UO, or Counter-Strike, or anything other than Darkfall Online, I will be very disappointed...

I play wow, and I am going to enjoy Darkfall just as it is...

I enjoy playing wow (not so much the grinding) But coordinated teamwork to overcome the endgame content is fun for me.

I have been following the progression of darkfall for years, and I think it will be an awesome game even tho its nothing like WoW![omg!]

I dont care if theres not any instances, but I hope there will be events in the game such as Dragons, or other big baddies that wreak havoc on some of the major cities in the game, and [hopefully] bring players out of their pvp frenzy to join their fellow Darkfallers in defense of the land! :)

/signed

Darkfall needs more than one kind of player, and more than one kind of subscriber. Get used to it. Get over it. Stop trying to chase them away with your gameophobic rantings... ;)

[Krydon]

SWG released June 26 2003

Both before WOW how exactly are they clones?

This is why the wow folks get picked on, it is because they think MMO gaming started with WoW.

There is no such thing as a WoW clone.

A WoW "clone" is a game trying to copy the things that they think made WoW successful, and SWG is exactly such a game.

It launched in 2003, but that game no longer exists. The game has the same name, but that is the only similarity, along with the Star Wars setting. It is, since the NGE, an entirely different game with many more WoW-like feature than it started off with.

[Thavg]

They see a game and they want to pick it apart and have it changed to be just like every other game on the market. I will never understand this.

Darkfall is going to be a different kind of game. People wont accept this though, they want to see classes added to the game, instances added to the game, raid content, and a laundry list of other crap that EVERY other game on the market has.

Why cant Darkfall just be different and why cant they go back and play <insert generic MMO here> ?

My hypothesis is because they are sick of certain aspects of the game they are playing and they just want something a little different that they would enjoy. They could also think Darkfall is a perfect game for them, if they added a new feature or something.

People bringing up suggestions shouldn't necessarily be discouraged (unless of course there are multiple threads on the topic and its been strongly shot down). Some suggestions people post may make the game better.

[Floyd]

They do it for the lulz.

:ninja:

[Krydon]

Brutal, I'll second the face-palm a few threads down from this. "Child-like mentality"? The only "child-like mentality" I see in this thread belongs to you and yours. People of all ages and social classes have played and enjoyed WoW. If Darkfall achieves even the smallest measure of that kind of success, and appeal to a diverse clientelle, it will have done the financial backers of Aventurine proud and probably helped make them very wealthy.

Brutal, but true. That child-like mentality I speak of, whether you want to whine about how I put it or not, is exactly that. It's people coming here wanting their way because they don't like the game as it is currently being designed. That is indeed a child's way of thinking. Those people would rather have the game adapt to them than have to adapt to it instead.

I love how you lack the intellectual capacity to understand that and still somehow take my comment, that obviously was not a criticism of WoW as a game but rather of the people playing it who come here, and act like I am insulting the game itself.

Hopefully the potential clients won't be scared away by annoying little kids like you. And don't assume that because I think you are young and not very bright, that I want DfO to be a WoW clone. I want it to be everything the devs have said it will be. I'm looking foward to this game probably more than I've ever looked forward to a game in my short 43 years. If it turns into WoW, or UO, or Counter-Strike, or anything other than Darkfall Online, I will be very disappointed...

By all means, think of me as young and not very bright based on a tiny comment up there that you failed to even understand. I probably am not that bright considering I am wasting the time to respond to your idiocy.

As far as how you feel about WoW, I don't know or care what your opinion is. It's a decent game for what it is. However, almost everyone here wants this game, Darkfall Online, to come out as it was designed. It's the people with that mentality I was speaking of that are the ones against it and trying to bring their "WoW" ideals to DF. That is what pisses people off in these forums.

For someone 43 years old, I'd hoped you'd be smarter.

[Melamoto]

What is it with everyone complaining about Teenage kids playing games? As long as their voice isn't too high pitched in Vent, and they are mature, they're fine. Immature people come in all ages, the fact that slightly more of them are teenagers is irrelevant.

[Sausagebones]

My hypothesis is because they are sick of certain aspects of the game they are playing and they just want something a little different that they would enjoy. They could also think Darkfall is a perfect game for them, if they added a new feature or something.

People bringing up suggestions shouldn't necessarily be discouraged (unless of course there are multiple threads on the topic and its been strongly shot down). Some suggestions people post may make the game better.

Good post. Thanks for your opinion.

Im all for suggestions so long as it adds to the existing experience. My number one concern about Darkfall all along has been whether it will be able to stick to its roots. There have really only been two games that have tried to do what DF is doing. UO and SWG. Both games failed because they didnt stick to their original plan.

[Llewen]

Brutal, but true. That child-like mentality I speak of, whether you want to whine about how I put it or not, is exactly that. It's people coming here wanting their way because they don't like the game as it is currently being designed. That is indeed a child's way of thinking. Those people would rather have the game adapt to them than have to adapt to it instead.

I love how you lack the intellectual capacity to understand that and still somehow take my comment, that obviously was not a criticism of WoW as a game but rather of the people playing it who come here, and act like I am insulting the game itself.

And you just don't get it do you? You somehow think it is a better thing to insult every person that has ever played WoW, than it is to criticize the game? Unbelievable. I hate to break it to you, but there is a really good chance that there are tens of thousands playing that game right now that have a higher iq than you do, that are older than you are, are making more money than you do, and are generally more successful than you are in every way. That is just a guess on my part, but based on the law of averages, and based on your comments here in this thread, that is probably a pretty safe guess. "child-like mentality" indeed!

By all means, think of me as young and not very bright based on a tiny comment up there that you failed to even understand.

You want people to think you are something other than very young, and not very bright? Try changing your behaviour. I'm sure you have the potential to be a brilliant, likable young man, and perhaps you generally are, but if you are, your comments in this thread do you no credit whatsoever...

However, almost everyone here wants this game, Darkfall Online, to come out as it was designed.

Exactly what I was saying, I just don't see the hordes of WoW enthusiasts terrorizing these forums with their heresy. What I do see, is an awful lot of kids who think it is cool to bash and insult a game like WoW, and everyone playing it, without understanding that fundamental fact that there really is no "us and them" there is only "us" - gamers that like games.

It's the people with that mentality I was speaking of that are the ones against it and trying to bring their "WoW" ideals to DF. That is what pisses people off in these forums.

Paranoid, immature, nonsense.

For someone 43 years old, I'd hoped you'd be smarter.

Like most of us, I have my moments. Sometimes I'm smart, sometimes I'm not so bright. ;)

[OmniZiltoid]

Nicely put Llewen. Someone around here gets it. It is like a forum full of Joe McCarthys afraid of the red tide of communism coming after them.

[Llewen]

Nicely put Llewen. Someone around here gets it. It is like a forum full of Joe McCarthys afraid of the red tide of communism coming after them.

Oh gawd, don't say that word! *points up at the "c" word*

*huddles in the corner waiting for the inevitable outpouring of wrath*

But seriously, that's just about exactly it. :)

And I suppose I could be a little kind for a change. I understand that many here have been disappointed by promises made and broken by other dev teams. I understand that many of the old school UO terrorists felt that their game was destroyed by the creation of Trammel, and the great many changes that were made to that game. I understand that they feel that the "whiners" are to blame for that.

But honestly, I think at this point, we're either past that point, or nowhere near it with this dev team. They've been remarkably consistent. They seem to have a very clear vision of what they want their creation to be, and they don't appear to be allowing themselves to be rushed into anything. And it also looks as though this game has been getting some really good press, and there is a good chance the game is going to succeed wildly.

Let's all just relax, wait for our turn at the table, have some fun, and stop worrying about what we think that horrific "other" might be trying to do to our game. Maybe some day we will have to worry about the nerf monster, or that horrific dragon of "care bear"'ness, but how about we cross that bridge when we get to it, and stop pointing the finger of accusation at our own shadows?

[Atsuko]

Everyone seems to be in the general mindset of Darkfall = Perfect mmo.

When a feature comes along that the said person disagrees with (cooldowns, reagents, portals etc) , he/she seems to think it should be changed, because after all, it's their perfect mmo.

I enjoy the valid approaches by some that have the devs in mind "I don't think this will achieve what you want it to" kind of thread starter, but without playing the game it all boils down to how you read a few scarce dev quotes.

I'm fairly easy to please. Full loot and ffa pvp was enough to get me on this forum. I'll adapt to anything I disagree with just to be able to be apart of these two features. If one was removed, I would simply stop playing.

[Kelt]

I have played virtually every MMO from WoW, to now. I have played SWG and i have to say... it was a very good game and had great RP in it during its early days, but I think SWG was the biggest let down both for the subscribers and whatever idiot thought it would be good to add its changes.

There is no point argueing between each other about WoW, I played it for awhile like 2 months, it wasnt bad but it wasnt good (for me anyways) main reason is becuase there is little RP. But one thing I REALLY hate on these forums is the constent AoC bashing, I am playing that game now, played it since it came out and RP the crap out of it all night long. You can have your opinions but please dont say "So yeah AoC is a crap, no skill WoW clone, moving on...". I think AoC involves alot of skill, Its a quality game and the devs dont have WoW in mind for most of their changes.

The PvP in that game is the best I have seen so far, better then WoW.

But I dont want Darkfall to be like WoW or AoC. I want to get Darkfall for the same reason I wanted to get AoC, becuase its nothing like WoW or any other MMO.

Just my two cents.

[Sausagebones]

I have played virtually every MMO from WoW, to now. I have played SWG and i have to say... it was a very good game and had great RP in it during its early days, but I think SWG was the biggest let down both for the subscribers and whatever idiot thought it would be good to add its changes.

There is no point argueing between each other about WoW, I played it for awhile like 2 months, it wasnt bad but it wasnt good (for me anyways) main reason is becuase there is little RP. But one thing I REALLY hate on these forums is the constent AoC bashing, I am playing that game now, played it since it came out and RP the crap out of it all night long. You can have your opinions but please dont say "So yeah AoC is a crap, no skill WoW clone, moving on...". I think AoC involves alot of skill, Its a quality game and the devs dont have WoW in mind for most of their changes.

The PvP in that game is the best I have seen so far, better then WoW.

But I dont want Darkfall to be like WoW or AoC. I want to get Darkfall for the same reason I wanted to get AoC, becuase its nothing like WoW or any other MMO.

Just my two cents.

Outside of the combat system, how is AoC drastically different from WoW? I will give the game props on a great combat system (that was largely inspired by EQ II's system) but thats about the only part of the game that was truly somewhat original.

The graphics were outstanding and the game had its moments for me but in the end i was sort of like "meh, been there done that".

[Rougie]

Aw, you like being different. What a load of horseshit that is. Grow up.

- You mean you like being the same as everyone else, a sheep, a slave to trends, a tool? :confused:

[Kelt]

Outside of the combat system, how is AoC drastically different from WoW? I will give the game props on a great combat system (that was largely inspired by EQ II's system) but thats about the only part of the game that was truly somewhat original.

The graphics were outstanding and the game had its moments for me but in the end i was sort of like "meh, been there done that".


I dont want to be "that guy". But there was just less retarded immature people in AoC, making grinds calm and easy. PvPing stopped from being "No no no!!! You lie you cheat hackzorz" to "Good match, and to improve on technique you should do this and that... rematch? why of course my good sir". See, the communtity of a game can sometimes outweigh its features, whatever immaturety repellent AoC used, please god make Darkfall have a immaturety repellent.

Thinking about it now, If I came to WoW in the early days or if WoW didnt have so much immature people now, I think I would of enjoyed it but the grind in it was too much of a chore then what it should be. So who knows.


P.S. Once again AoCs PvP is awesome :D

[Atsuko]

"No no no!!! You lie you cheat hackzorz"


That's what people said to me when I used a potion during duels in WoW.

Never said we couldn't, "scrub"!

[Sausagebones]

I dont want to be "that guy". But there was just less retarded immature people in AoC, making grinds calm and easy. PvPing stopped from being "No no no!!! You lie you cheat hackzorz" to "Good match, and to improve on technique you should do this and that... rematch? why of course my good sir". See, the communtity of a game can sometimes outweigh its features, whatever immaturety repellent AoC used, please god make Darkfall have a immaturety repellent.

Thinking about it now, If I came to WoW in the early days or if WoW didnt have so much immature people now, I think I would of enjoyed it but the grind in it was too much of a chore then what it should be. So who knows.


P.S. Once again AoCs PvP is awesome :D

Good point. The game did have a more mature community and its hard to find that these days.

[Spawnblade]

They see a game and they want to pick it apart and have it changed to be just like every other game on the market. I will never understand this.

Darkfall is going to be a different kind of game. People wont accept this though, they want to see classes added to the game, instances added to the game, raid content, and a laundry list of other crap that EVERY other game on the market has.

Why cant Darkfall just be different and why cant they go back and play <insert generic MMO here> ?


Because they're tired of that mmo. It's gotten bland to them, and they want something 'new' to do it in. After trying WAR and coming to the same conclusion, they're now deciding that that wasn't as good as WoW, so instead of going back to WoW, they're looking for a 'new WoW.'

They're afraid of change, and that's really what kept them playing WoW for so long. And now they can't use their imagination to actually think that anything else will work. And to them, any mmo they wow-ify, is one more mmo that has a chance of being their next one night stand.

It's what happened to SWG. People wanted WoW in a different setting.. and SOE decided they could attract more people that way =\... Almost as intelligent a move as the Hologrind.

[DoveAlexa]

People don't hate WoW so much as they hate the child-like mentality of the people who play it.

Agreed. Wow is boring, but if the people were at least somewhat mature, and bothered to speak properly, I could stand it... for an extra week.

It has nothing to do with games. It's the human condition. When people join anything, they want to mold it to their personal wants and needs.

Work on any project with other people and you'll see what I mean. People join the project with their own set of ideas for how it would best work, which is really just a rationalization of what they want it to be.

It doesn't matter what it is - a game, a government, a country, a religion. People have their own priorities, and will try to convince others that their priorities are right or better.

*shrug*

Yeah :(, people are inherently selfish and try to get their own way. Hell, its not like any of us can claim to be 100% altruistic either, but at least some of us don't have the added immaturity and feelings of entitlement that many of the "carebears" (or more just the people who want things changed) have. Besides, they'll just leave when they cant handel it, good for us. In the meantime, all these kids are great for practice ^.^.

Agree 100% , most people do not generally have the control to enjoy a game and ignore the haters.

But a few do, those that do generally have lives and are capable of differentiating between reality and fun game time.

Hahaha, I also agree with this XD. If the game is the highlight of your life, and where the majority of your critical, life-changing events happen, you're going to freak over haters.
Which is why its so important to have other things you care about, especially things that you are about more.

This reminds me of this you-tube vid where a little kid freaks out that his brother got him killed while playing MAPLE STORY! he SCREAMED for 10 minutes about how they were ruining his life for this one little time they pulled him off his comp. What a little fuck-up kid.

[IwannabeaMahirm]

Eh? Warcraft, EQ II, AoC, SWG, they are all virtual clones of one another at this point. Thats why I said "generic".

You are obviously mistaken. Did you ever PLAY SWG? Do you even know what it STANDS For?

Edit: Lol, sorry, I forgot that they butchered, maimed, and mutilated SWG into a WoW clone. I live in the past.

[Sausagebones]

You are obviously mistaken. Did you ever PLAY SWG? Do you even know what it STANDS For?

Edit: Lol, sorry, I forgot that they butchered, maimed, and mutilated SWG into a WoW clone. I live in the past.

Yep, very sad. SWG could have been the 2nd best game of all time behind UO. But like UO, it was destroyed.

[Kelt]

Yep, very sad. SWG could have been the 2nd best game of all time behind UO. But like UO, it was destroyed.

I agree, they didnt have to change it into a WoW clone to bring WoWs subscribers to there side, they would be in a whole different league by now.

Come on people, this is the one thread that hasnt turned into madness yet and atleast meaningful.

[Sausagebones]

I agree, they didnt have to change it into a WoW clone to bring WoWs subscribers to there side, they would be in a whole different league by now.

Come on people, this is the one thread that hasnt turned into madness yet and atleast meaningful.

Developers have learned alot from this though. They have learned that when they piss all over the core group of players they end up having a hard time regaining credibility in the industry. In the case of SOE, I will never buy another MMO from those bums as long as I live.

If i saw that dude smedley IRL I would clown stomp his ass into next yr.

[ineluki]

None of them games are WOW clones,if you really want a WOW clone then download this open beta on Monday..

And it`s a free mmorpg.

http://www.runesofmagic.com/en/content,6,rogue.html

[Deja vu]

People bring there own agendas to every thing not just MMOs.

[Sturmrabe]

AS much as I hate the community of WoW, anyone who blames them is a noob...

They may have been the loudest most childish group of whiners in the history of MMOs, but they certainly didn't invent the "PETITION TO MAKE THIS GAME TAILORED TO MY EVERY WHIM" forum threads...

[Sausagebones]

AS much as I hate the community of WoW, anyone who blames them is a noob...

They may have been the loudest most childish group of whiners in the history of MMOs, but they certainly didn't invent the "PETITION TO MAKE THIS GAME TAILORED TO MY EVERY WHIM" forum threads...

No, that shits been going on since UO first came out. Nobody blames WoW, stop bringing WoW into my thread plz.

[D_K_night]

WoW is the plague of gaming, it has done nothing favourable and only bought about destruction of a once decent community.

Apox on WoWfags.

Ignorance is bliss isn't it. I love it when you guys say WoW has done "nothing good". Really?

- Excellent artwork easily some of the best artists from the industry
- Outstanding UI, even LOTR took a page from WoW's book in terms of the interface. Even WAR fanbois admit one thing is right about WoW. And that's the UI. Even if they hate the gameplay, the UI is one thing you can't complain about.
- Excellent sound, Blizzard employed Northwest Sinfonia Orchestra and Chorus for their music. If you don't believe me give some of the Burning Crusade soundtracks a whirl.
- Lower-end systems can play WoW. Native support for Macs and PC's.

Sure, hate on the gameplay. Hate on the mechanics of this and that. But don't be hating on the other things that Blizzard did very, very right.

[Stromdur]

lol you have spent most of your time here talking bout WoW clones blah blah blah. Take your own advice

[Sausagebones]

lol you have spent most of your time here talking bout WoW clones blah blah blah. Take your own advice

Was I the one who brought up WoW in this thread? No.

I expressed my opinions on it after someone else brought it up and then I left it at that. Theres nothing else to discuss at this point. From this point on anyone who even mentions WoW is a serious troll, that includes you.

[saris]

Eh? Warcraft, EQ II, AoC, SWG, they are all virtual clones of one another at this point. Thats why I said "generic".

lol wow I must have missed this one earlier how are wow and aoc alike and how is SWG like any of them, have you played them lol

[Sturmrabe]

No, that shits been going on since UO first came out. Nobody blames WoW, stop bringing WoW into my thread plz.

Are you blind of fucking retarded? How many times on how many pages did people quote you and edit in WoW, or bring up WoW?

I was agreeing with you you ignorant douchenozzle...

[Sausagebones]

lol wow I must have missed this one earlier how are wow and aoc alike and how is SWG like any of them, have you played them lol

This question has already been answered. Perhaps you should try reading the thread next time before posting.

[Sausagebones]

Are you blind of fucking retarded? How many times on how many pages did people quote you and edit in WoW, or bring up WoW?

I was agreeing with you you ignorant douchenozzle...

midol ftw?

If you notice im trying to steer the subject away from WoW because alot of people are getting butt hurt over it and this thread wasnt supposed to be about that anyway.

[Sturmrabe]

Was I the one who brought up WoW in this thread? No.

I expressed my opinions on it after someone else brought it up and then I left it at that. Theres nothing else to discuss at this point. From this point on anyone who even mentions WoW is a serious troll, that includes you.

Hypocrisy FTL

[Orious]

That's what people said to me when I used a potion during duels in WoW.

Never said we couldn't, "scrub"!


common sense not to pot during a duel...

[Sausagebones]

Hypocrisy FTL

Link? Quote? What ya got? Nothing. Thanks for playing.

[Orious]

How bout we just turn this into a poll that says "How many people hope Darkfall will be exactly what the DEVS say it will be?" and "How many want some changes already before playing it?"

[Sausagebones]

How bout we just turn this into a poll that says "How many people hope Darkfall will be exactly what the DEVS say it will be?" and "How many want some changes already before playing it?"

good idea yo

[Sturmrabe]

Link? Quote? What ya got? Nothing. Thanks for playing.

I'm sorry, but I really don't need to quote your drivel, especially when you can see the evidence on that, and every, page...

PAGE CLAIM BIOTCH!

[white magi]

I thought you would say UO, i don't see many people supporting WoW here but alot of people want to see a clone of a game with 8-bit graphics that i'd never heard of :eek:

You belong in the Noob section.

Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

[DaveMS]

I thought you would say UO, i don't see many people supporting WoW here but alot of people want to see a clone of a game with 8-bit graphics that i'd never heard of :eek:

You.... never...heard...of....UO?
Impossible!

[Spawnblade]

*Edited post as the information was useless.*

[Llewen]

Just to prove that I can admit when I am wrong. I understand why threads like this (http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=90219) can make people worry that the same thing will happen to DfO as happened to UO and SWG. However, I really don't think we need to worry about it. Maybe some day we will, but I don't think as long as the current core of developers are at the helm, I don't think this will ever be an issue. However, if Aventurine gets taken over, or if and when there is a complete turn around in development personel, all bets are off I'm afraid... :(

[Signus]

Hating WoW is just a band wagon on this forum, in reality it is an ok game just not really for me.

Noone likes to say anything like that due to the amount of children on his forum.

No its not a bandwagon, its a way of life. I hate WoW for everything it did to the market, for the fans that worship it, and for being run by one of the most corrupt reprehensible companies in history. Not a single unique feature was ever created in WoW, its just a parasite, and thats why it deserves to get sued into oblivion.

[Llewen]

No its not a bandwagon, its a way of life. I hate WoW for everything it did to the market, for the fans that worship it, and for being run by one of the most corrupt reprehensible companies in history. Not a single unique feature was ever created in WoW, its just a parasite, and thats why it deserves to get sued into oblivion.

Hating WoW isn't a way of life on this forum, hating period is a way of life, and I'm not quite sure why... Thankfully forums like this tend to represent the tiniest fraction of the player base in an mmo, and hopefully the community in game will be a bit more mature...

[Cathalo]

Agenda's are like assholes, everyones got one.

[Patnub]

People will always be wanting to change things for the better or worse, that just how it is. For now i dont think people would need to talk about changes in the game, as im sure they havent played/tested the game at all. So as i've said before in other topics, it's better to wait with whining and such after seeing the real thing.

[Mudbleach]

Agenda's are like assholes, everyones got one.

wow think of that all by yourself?

[Orious]

wow think of that all by yourself?

I thought it was hilarious haha...