Police shot a boy in Athens, riots occurred

[Friik]

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24763259-663,00.html


DOZENS of rioters have rampaged through central Athens after police shot dead a teenage boy who attempted to throw a petrol bomb at a patrol car, police officials said.

The youths smashed shop windows and set fire to refuse containers after the shooting, which took place in the traditionally left-wing Exarchia district of the Greek capital.

"Hundreds of them hit the streets, probably for revenge ... Dozens of police units are gathering to try to control the situation," said a police official, who declined to be named.

Tear gas filled the narrow streets of the busy neighbourhood and restaurants closed their shutters, witnesses said.

Police said there were no arrests or reports of injuries so far.

The shooting took place after a group of around six youths started pelting a police vehicle with stones. When one tried to throw a petrol bomb, a policeman shot him in the stomach, said the official.

The boy, who was not identified but said to be 15 years old, was confirmed dead after being taken to hospital, police said.

God bless Aventurine and people on the whole. :(

[Honest Bill]

Throw petrol bombs at people with guns, and you will get shot...

That's what my grandma always used to say

[Ak0Mg0]

Good for the police. If anyone was trying to throw a form of molotov at me, I would shoot them.

[heroshade]

What the hell? Do they think the police officer wasn't justified in shootong somebody who was going to throw a molotov cocktail at them?

:D

[Kekshorts]

there's something terribly wrong here... greeks can't be gangsta, wth are they doing?

[Lethn]

I think the police officer was justified for self-defense but isn't riot gear fucking designed for that kind of thing?

[heroshade]

I think the police officer was justified for self-defense but isn't riot gear fucking designed for that kind of thing?

Yes, but bullets are more efficient.

[Daemonicus]

Now that's a news. (http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=87872)

[Lethn]

I just think it's sad really, there are better ways to deal with someone attacking you than just shoot them, an ordinary person is one thing but police officers are bloody trained for this.

[Thry]

I think the police officer was justified for self-defense but isn't riot gear fucking designed for that kind of thing?

Designed for what, fire resistance? No.

[LordTenacious]

Besides, you don't go around wearing riot gear for daily functions, dipshit.

[Thry]

I just think it's sad really, there are better ways to deal with someone attacking you than just shoot them, an ordinary person is one thing but police officers are bloody trained for this.

There is always one.

[heroshade]

I just think it's sad really, there are better ways to deal with someone attacking you than just shoot them, an ordinary person is one thing but police officers are bloody trained for this.

I think if someone is using deadly force on a cop, the cop should return the favor. Thats what you get when you try to throw a fire bomb at an armed officer. Thats what happens when you try to throw a fire bomb at an armed anybody for that matter.

:D

[Daemonicus]

I just think it's sad really, there are better ways to deal with someone attacking you than just shoot them, an ordinary person is one thing but police officers are bloody trained for this.

I know, the kid was throwing Molotov's cocktail which could have burned them alive inside the car, but shooting the kid? That's too much! They should have defended themselves with baton sticks! Correct?

[heroshade]

I know, the kid was throwing Molotov's cocktail which could have burned them alive inside the car, but shooting the kid? That's too much! They should have defended themselves with baton sticks! Correct?

Guns are bad! Even when cops have them! Destroy them all!!!

:D

[Rathynas]

I just think it's sad really, there are better ways to deal with someone attacking you than just shoot them, an ordinary person is one thing but police officers are bloody trained for this.
They're trained for shooting idiots who try to kill them.

I say KILL THE IDIOTS; police FTW!

[Bissen]

Full loot on?

[Layedballer]

I think the police officer was justified for self-defense but isn't riot gear fucking designed for that kind of thing?

Nope, not all riot gear is fire resistant. Ever see riot officers run away from fire? Yep

[Friik]

Now that's a news. (http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=87872)

Oh snap. But, mine is better detailed and he doesn't have a link -> fail.

[heroshade]

Lets put it this way. Cops aren't fire resistant, and retarded sixteen year old gangsta wannabes aren't bullet resistant.

:D

[Layedballer]

Lets put it this way. Cops aren't fire resistant, and retarded sixteen year old gangsta wannabes aren't bullet resistant.

:D

So today we learn that
Boy w/ fire>unarmed cop
Cop w/ gun> boy w/ fire?

[heroshade]

So today we learn that
Boy w/ fire>unarmed cop
Cop w/ gun> boy w/ fire?

Exactly!

:D

[Layedballer]

Exactly!

:D

Wooo!
I r genyuz!

[Runiat]

I think the police officer was justified for self-defense but isn't riot gear fucking designed for that kind of thing?
Riots started after they shot the kid. Riot gear is put on when a riot is about to break out, or after the fact.

I know, the kid was throwing Molotov's cocktail which could have burned them alive inside the car, but shooting the kid? That's too much! They should have defended themselves with baton sticks! Correct?
Range of baton stick is what? A meter if you push it?
Range of thrown rocks and bottles is easily 20 times that, and teenagers tend to be good runners.

I'm sure that if hitting the cocktails with a stick while they were in the air was a way to stop them from putting you on fire, that's what the cops would've done, but I believe the opposite effect would be a more likely outcome.

Maybe they could've tried shooting him in the shoulder, though..

[heroshade]

Riots started after they shot the kid. Riot gear is put on when a riot is about to break out, or after the fact.


Range of baton stick is what? A meter if you push it?
Range of thrown rocks and bottles is easily 20 times that, and teenagers tend to be good runners.

I'm sure that if hitting the cocktails with a stick while they were in the air was a way to stop them from putting you on fire, that's what the cops would've done, but I believe the opposite effect would be a more likely outcome.

Maybe they could've tried shooting him in the shoulder, though..

Perhaps he should have added a /sarcasm?

:D

[Layedballer]

Riots started after they shot the kid. Riot gear is put on when a riot is about to break out, or after the fact.


Range of baton stick is what? A meter if you push it?
Range of thrown rocks and bottles is easily 20 times that, and teenagers tend to be good runners.

I'm sure that if hitting the cocktails with a stick while they were in the air was a way to stop them from putting you on fire, that's what the cops would've done, but I believe the opposite effect would be a more likely outcome.

Maybe they could've tried shooting him in the shoulder, though..
Well they are trained to shoot at the largest mass, when someone is throwing petrol bombs onto you, you hit the easiest target, their stomach.chest are. The shoulder/other non vital parts leave too much room for error

[Daemonicus]

Perhaps he should have added a /sarcasm?

:D

Huh what? Sarcasm? Never!



Internet is a serious business.

[Slaker]

I bet Tasos was one of the officers!

[Niles]

I bet Tasos was one of the officers!

This made me lol for real.

[Kekshorts]

I bet Tasos was one of the officers!
are u srs? these kids obviously just got out of beta testing. they forget that there are far more rules irl than in darkfall and ended up getting the banhammer.(bullet to the chest)

[Friik]

are u srs? these kids obviously just got out of beta testing. they forget that there are far more rules irl than in darkfall and ended up getting the banhammer.(bullet to the chest)

I wonder if the officer had the right to full loot the bastard.

[ejnomad07]

I think the police officer was justified for self-defense but isn't riot gear fucking designed for that kind of thing?

The riot was after they shot the kid and because they shot the kid. I think this was an ordinary police officer.

I just think it's sad really, there are better ways to deal with someone attacking you than just shoot them, an ordinary person is one thing but police officers are bloody trained for this.

You have a gun. Someone is trying to throw a bomb your way. What are you going to do?

[Kekshorts]

You have a gun. Someone is trying to throw a bomb your way. What are you going to do?
auto target and shoot the bomb.

[Fruitbasket]

Wow, and I only thought riots happen in USA.

[Layedballer]

auto target and shoot the bomb.

But if the petrol gets on you, fatality

[Daemonicus]

auto target and shoot the bomb.

Hax?

[MinusInnocence]

I'm interested to hear why the boys were harassing police. Is it really that thug life in Athens?

[Runiat]

Perhaps he should have added a /sarcasm?

:D
Well, usual ways of letting people know you're being sarcastic is by tone of voice (which transfers real well to text), or by saying something that's so stupid no one could think you'd be serious (such as what's in the last pair of brackets).

Only problem is, that on forumfall, it doesn't matter how stupid you sound.

Well they are trained to shoot at the largest mass, when someone is throwing petrol bombs onto you, you hit the easiest target, their stomach.chest are. The shoulder/other non vital parts leave too much room for error
Might be protocol, but even so..

I don't know how difficult it is to aim with a pistol. I got some experience with bows, but I've been told they're more like rifles than pistols. I do know a bit about throwing bottles and rocks, though, and even with a target the size of a car you can't be very far from it..

To me it just seems smarter to go for his shoulder instead, even if you're less likely to hit. I mean, if you hit he wont be throwing anything for a while, even if you miss it'd have to be an extremely stupid teenager to not run once bullets start flying, and even on the off-chance he choose to throw the cocktail after all, it's a lot slower than a bullet, so you should have a chance to dodge the worst of it. Not like they didn't have time to think while he was lighting it.

Well, easy enough to say what they should've done.

I'm interested to hear why the boys were harassing police. Is it really that thug life in Athens?
They were bored, most likely.

[Daemonicus]

Well, usual ways of letting people know you're being sarcastic is by tone of voice (which transfers real well to text), or by saying something that's so stupid no one could think you'd be serious (such as what's in the last pair of brackets).

No kidding, I always fight off petrol bombs and grenades with baton sticks. Never fails me.

[Spinewire]

Well, usual ways of letting people know you're being sarcastic is by tone of voice (which transfers real well to text), or by saying something that's so stupid no one could think you'd be serious (such as what's in the last pair of brackets).

Only problem is, that on forumfall, it doesn't matter how stupid you sound.


Might be protocol, but even so..

I don't know how difficult it is to aim with a pistol. I got some experience with bows, but I've been told they're more like rifles than pistols. I do know a bit about throwing bottles and rocks, though, and even with a target the size of a car you can't be very far from it..

To me it just seems smarter to go for his shoulder instead, even if you're less likely to hit. I mean, if you hit he wont be throwing anything for a while, even if you miss it'd have to be an extremely stupid teenager to not run once bullets start flying, and even on the off-chance he choose to throw the cocktail after all, it's a lot slower than a bullet, so you should have a chance to dodge the worst of it. Not like they didn't have time to think while he was lighting it.

Well, easy enough to say what they should've done.you're an idiot

[Spart]

Well, usual ways of letting people know you're being sarcastic is by tone of voice (which transfers real well to text), or by saying something that's so stupid no one could think you'd be serious (such as what's in the last pair of brackets).

Only problem is, that on forumfall, it doesn't matter how stupid you sound.


Might be protocol, but even so..

I don't know how difficult it is to aim with a pistol. I got some experience with bows, but I've been told they're more like rifles than pistols. I do know a bit about throwing bottles and rocks, though, and even with a target the size of a car you can't be very far from it..

To me it just seems smarter to go for his shoulder instead, even if you're less likely to hit. I mean, if you hit he wont be throwing anything for a while, even if you miss it'd have to be an extremely stupid teenager to not run once bullets start flying, and even on the off-chance he choose to throw the cocktail after all, it's a lot slower than a bullet, so you should have a chance to dodge the worst of it. Not like they didn't have time to think while he was lighting it.

Well, easy enough to say what they should've done.


They were bored, most likely.

No... just no. The sarcasm was extremely obvious to spot, everyone else saw it.

Also, it's not easy to aim a pistol, especially not the crappy ones police are allowed to use. Also, look at your shoulders. What is right between them? The neck. If he gets the kid in the stomach, there is a chance he could survive it. Neck, and he is dead. So going for the stomach is the smart option, as it quickly neutralizes the threat (which is what they are trying to do, or they would have just let the kid bomb them), and there is a chance they can save the person. However, get him in the neck (as is all too possible) and he is dead.

[MinusInnocence]

To me it just seems smarter to go for his shoulder instead, even if you're less likely to hit. I mean, if you hit he wont be throwing anything for a while, even if you miss it'd have to be an extremely stupid teenager to not run once bullets start flying, and even on the off-chance he choose to throw the cocktail after all, it's a lot slower than a bullet, so you should have a chance to dodge the worst of it. Not like they didn't have time to think while he was lighting it.My understanding of the events surrounding the boy's death were that he tried to throw the firebomb at the car, THEN the officers opened fire. From the officer's perspective, one member in a gang of hoodlums had used deadly force against them, and the appropriate response at that point (at least for police officers in the United States) is to respond with lethal force. Of course, the boy probably did not intend for anyone to get hurt. But you can't throw bombs at cars and expect nothing bad to happen, anything could have gone wrong. What if he had another prepared and intended to throw it after the officers exited the vehicle?

Re: aiming for the shoulder, in a tense situation where people are firing weapons at each other it can be challenging to maintain the same level of marskmanship from the shooting range. Center mass is the easiest target. Consider that firing a warning shot may have deterred the boy, but he had already demonstrated he isn't afraid to put other peoples' lives at risk. You can't just let him get away, and if you must arrest or subdue a criminal who is utilizing deadly weapons, your options are limited. Also, if you miss, the bullet doesn't just disappear. Would you rather an officer always try to shoot someone in the arm or leg, and risk gunning down an innocent bystander who was standing across the street?

Someone did something exceedingly foolish with potentially deadly consequences, and paid for it with his life. It is unfortunate, because a teenager almost certainly didn't mean to hurt or kill any of the police (or anyone else, for that matter), but sometimes stupid people don't survive their mistakes.

[Woodiwood]

DOZENS of rioters have rampaged through central Athens after Aventurine, a local gaming company shot dead a teenage boy who attempted to throw a basketball at a trashcan, police officials said.

The youths smashed shop windows and set fire to refuse containers after the shooting, which took place in the traditionally left-wing Exarchia district of the Greek capital.

"Hundreds of them hit the streets, probably for revenge ... Dozens of police units are gathering to try to control the situation," said a police official, who declined to be named.

Tear gas filled the narrow streets of the busy neighbourhood and restaurants closed their shutters, witnesses said.

Police said there were no arrests or reports of injuries so far.

The shooting took place after a group of around six youths started mocking a Darkfall forum moderator. When one tried to write a hamless post at the forums, an Aventurine employee shot him in the stomach, said the official.

The boy, who was not identified but said to be 15 years old, was confirmed dead after being taken to hospital, police said.

Aventurine have told officials that they were sorry, but they couldn't afford and didn't have time to promote the game, so this were the fastest and cheapest way to get the attention of the media.


I believe Darkfall will have great PVP, from what we read here they really put great effort into this.

[Mushukyou]

Throw petrol bombs at people with guns, and you will get shot...

That's what my grandma always used to say

The story says the boy threw the bombs at the police cars, not the policemen. It doesn't specify if there were any police within the vehicles that he was throwing bombs at.

[Layedballer]

Might be protocol, but even so..

I don't know how difficult it is to aim with a pistol. I got some experience with bows, but I've been told they're more like rifles than pistols. I do know a bit about throwing bottles and rocks, though, and even with a target the size of a car you can't be very far from it..

To me it just seems smarter to go for his shoulder instead, even if you're less likely to hit. I mean, if you hit he wont be throwing anything for a while, even if you miss it'd have to be an extremely stupid teenager to not run once bullets start flying, and even on the off-chance he choose to throw the cocktail after all, it's a lot slower than a bullet, so you should have a chance to dodge the worst of it. Not like they didn't have time to think while he was lighting it.

It's not about how easy/hard it is to aim a pistol, it's about doing it under fire(literally this time) the first thing that kicks in is instinct/what you've ben trained, and that's to shoot to kill. If they live so be it, if they die oh well.
Also I bet the teens were betting they'd kill the officers if not then they weren't worried about bullets obviously, otherwise they wouldn't attack officers
If you think you can dodge a molotove, take a baseball have someone to throw it at your feet as hard as they can, and try to get about 20 ft away from it while getting hit with wrong and other fire bombs.

[Entezar]

Right, you've all, and I do apologize in advance if I'm generalizing too much here, I fully expect most of you to have already spotted this, missed the main point. Greece is on the furthest edges of what is called Europe. Europe is generally a left leaning environment, think Germany, think Communist terrorism. A 16 year old activist, boy, whatever, threw a petrol bomb at a police car.

Analysis: The boy's goal was clearly not connected to the men inside the car themselves. He was aiming at their uniforms, their badges, their authority to act as the only legitimate source of violent force in the area. That could have been related to any number of reasons, but he was trying to attack the government and the socially accepted policies that govern his community, trying to affect a change for what he sees to be the better. This is very similar to terrorism, in that he had his primary targets, the policemen, but his main target was the politicians, the media and the general populace who would read about what he did, and be affected by it.
Lets assume the boy was unarmed and the threat ended at the landing over the petrol bomb. The police are under a duty to accept a certain level of risk (at least in Europe) and refrain from using lethal force. They failed in that duty. The boy died. This alienates whatever source of political reasoning he was from, be it communist, nationalist, seperatist etc... and it removes that community's inclination to stay within the political framework of change, and take to the street in violent protest.

The policemen's actions were on the face of it proportionate to the risk posed. But, the consequence of their action, the mass civil unrest, removes that proportionality, muddies their legitimacy as a force of governance and makes the job of their colleagues ver hard. They should'nt have openned fire, if they panic under threats and shoot in reprisal, they need to give up their badges, as the damage they inflict is too severe to a European democratic society to bear.

P.S. People have been throwing petrol bombs at protests for decades. It was wrong to shoot protesters then, it still is wrong to do it now, even if not for any other reason than that of the muddying of relationships between radical communities and the state. Full dialogue and inclusion of fringe opinions is always preferable to violence.

[Honest Bill]

Right, you've all, and I do apologize in advance if I'm generalizing too much here, I fully expect most of you to have already spotted this, missed the main point. Greece is on the furthest edges of what is called Europe. Europe is generally a left leaning environment, think Germany, think Communist terrorism. A 16 year old activist, boy, whatever, threw a petrol bomb at a police car.

Analysis: The boy's goal was clearly not connected to the men inside the car themselves. He was aiming at their uniforms, their badges, their authority to act as the only legitimate source of violent force in the area. That could have been related to any number of reasons, but he was trying to attack the government and the socially accepted policies that govern his community, trying to affect a change for what he sees to be the better. This is very similar to terrorism, in that he had his primary targets, the policemen, but his main target was the politicians, the media and the general populace who would read about what he did, and be affected by it.
Lets assume the boy was unarmed and the threat ended at the landing over the petrol bomb. The police are under a duty to accept a certain level of risk (at least in Europe) and refrain from using lethal force. They failed in that duty. The boy died. This alienates whatever source of political reasoning he was from, be it communist, nationalist, seperatist etc... and it removes that community's inclination to stay within the political framework of change, and take to the street in violent protest.

The policemen's actions were on the face of it proportionate to the risk posed. But, the consequence of their action, the mass civil unrest, removes that proportionality, muddies their legitimacy as a force of governance and makes the job of their colleagues ver hard. They should'nt have openned fire, if they panic under threats and shoot in reprisal, they need to give up their badges, as the damage they inflict is too severe to a European democratic society to bear.

So they should have just let themselves be set on fire for the good of civil order?

[Layedballer]

P.S. People have been throwing petrol bombs at protests for decades. It was wrong to shoot protesters then, it still is wrong to do it now, even if not for any other reason than that of the muddying of relationships between radical communities and the state. Full dialogue and inclusion of fringe opinions is always preferable to violence.
No it's not, if a RIOT(not protest) uses violence to kill then the officers have all the right to shoot the rioters. It's only wrong if the protest is peacfull
So they should have just let themselves be set on fire for the good of civil order?
That's what I was thinking reading it

[Zyrex]

there's something terribly wrong here... greeks can't be gangsta, wth are they doing?

Alexander was...

[Wreatch]

Aventurine S.A. is in a bunker, its all good. you should see the guards.

[Spinewire]

Right, you've all, and I do apologize in advance if I'm generalizing too much here, I fully expect most of you to have already spotted this, missed the main point. Greece is on the furthest edges of what is called Europe. Europe is generally a left leaning environment, think Germany, think Communist terrorism. A 16 year old activist, boy, whatever, threw a petrol bomb at a police car.

Analysis: The boy's goal was clearly not connected to the men inside the car themselves. He was aiming at their uniforms, their badges, their authority to act as the only legitimate source of violent force in the area. That could have been related to any number of reasons, but he was trying to attack the government and the socially accepted policies that govern his community, trying to affect a change for what he sees to be the better. This is very similar to terrorism, in that he had his primary targets, the policemen, but his main target was the politicians, the media and the general populace who would read about what he did, and be affected by it.
Lets assume the boy was unarmed and the threat ended at the landing over the petrol bomb. The police are under a duty to accept a certain level of risk (at least in Europe) and refrain from using lethal force. They failed in that duty. The boy died. This alienates whatever source of political reasoning he was from, be it communist, nationalist, seperatist etc... and it removes that community's inclination to stay within the political framework of change, and take to the street in violent protest.

The policemen's actions were on the face of it proportionate to the risk posed. But, the consequence of their action, the mass civil unrest, removes that proportionality, muddies their legitimacy as a force of governance and makes the job of their colleagues ver hard. They should'nt have openned fire, if they panic under threats and shoot in reprisal, they need to give up their badges, as the damage they inflict is too severe to a European democratic society to bear.

P.S. People have been throwing petrol bombs at protests for decades. It was wrong to shoot protesters then, it still is wrong to do it now, even if not for any other reason than that of the muddying of relationships between radical communities and the state. Full dialogue and inclusion of fringe opinions is always preferable to violence.
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[Entezar]

No no, don't get me wrong. If the choices were:
Shoot Kid
Burn Alive

then shoot the kid.

However, the options were:

Petrol bomb lands. Kid has no further weaponry. Charge the kid, risk losing him in an attempt to apprehend.

Petrol bomb lands. Kid has no further weaponry, f**ker might get away, screw public relations, shoot the d*ck

[Honest Bill]

No no, don't get me wrong. If the choices were:
Shoot Kid
Burn Alive

then shoot the kid.

However, the options were:

Petrol bomb lands. Kid has no further weaponry. Charge the kid, risk losing him in an attempt to apprehend.

Petrol bomb lands. Kid has no further weaponry, f**ker might get away, screw public relations, shoot the d*ck

Depends where the petrol bomb lands doesn't it?. One can only assume he was aiming for them. I wouldn't gamble my life on the fact that the kid may have a crappy throw

[Daemonicus]

No no, don't get me wrong. If the choices were:
Shoot Kid
Burn Alive

then shoot the kid.

However, the options were:

Petrol bomb lands. Kid has no further weaponry. Charge the kid, risk losing him in an attempt to apprehend.

Petrol bomb lands. Kid has no further weaponry, f**ker might get away, screw public relations, shoot the d*ck

You should be happy you aren't a cop because if you happen to have a family you'd leave them without a father.

The kid was throwing Molotov's Cocktail on a police vehicle. It's equivalent to a civil dressed militant throwing Molotov's Cocktail onto a military vehicle.

Do you know what petrol bomb does? Have you seen a petrol bomb hit anything? It splatters the burning liquid all over the location of the hit. If the kid hit the police car right, they would be unable to leave the vehicle due to the burning liquid catching the entire car on fire.

For fucks sake, the kid, or rather a young man, was trying to kill him. What if he had a gun in his hand? Would that make a difference? No, both are lethal weapons being used by an idiot kid.

[Entezar]

I see your point. I think on the facts, you're right and they had every right to stop that bomb being thrown at them. I think I miss-read the news article, I thought the bomb was already thrown at the policeman, and that they were alive and well enough to shoot back in reprisal.

[Spinewire]

I see your point. I think on the facts, you're right and they had every right to stop that bomb being thrown at them. I think I miss-read the news article, I thought the bomb was already thrown at the policeman, and that they were alive and well enough to shoot back in reprisal.
moral of the story...

L2Comprehend

[Entezar]

moral of the story...

L2Comprehend
:p Idd

[Marrik]

Yes, but bullets are more efficient.

designed for being pelted with rocks maybe, not bombs. also, it sounds like it was just 2 cops who were getting attacked and having a molotov thrown at them





cops dont wear riot gear unless theres a RIOT, genious.


oops, misquoted

[MinusInnocence]

I see your point. I think on the facts, you're right and they had every right to stop that bomb being thrown at them. I think I miss-read the news article, I thought the bomb was already thrown at the policeman, and that they were alive and well enough to shoot back in reprisal.That is how I read it too, but in that situation lethal force is still legitimate. It is TRAGIC, because I don't think the kid really understood the implications of what he was doing. He was probably caught up in the moment. But the police had every right to defend themselves against any potential further attacks, and to neutralize someone who had made it very clear he isn't afraid to use force to threaten the lives of others.

I do not think the police intended to mortally wound him any more than he intended to kill one or more of the police. It's just a stupid waste of life and none of it should have ever happened.

[kingpin]

16year old kid throwing molotovs...i say if a kid misbehaves, throw his parents in jail for a couple of years.

that will give them a motive to raise their children properly since everything else obviously fails.

[Drohn Moharri]

The kid deserved to get shot he shouldn't have been throwing bombs at the police.

[Spinewire]

Shotgun with a beanbag in it would have done the job, they could have even emptied a few into his friends aswell, just to drill hope the point. Shame the did not have one to hand.

[WhiteGuy]

I think the police officer was justified for self-defense but isn't riot gear fucking designed for that kind of thing?

do you know what a petrol bomb is and what it does? And honestly how can you be upset about a cop shooting someone thats throwing a bomb at him/her? Yeah we can sit around and talk about how nice it would have been to use non lethal force, but the cop responded quickly to the threat with the closest tool at hand to protect them.

[Spart]

Shotgun would have done the job, they could have even emptied a few into his friends aswell, just to drill hope the point. Shame the did not have one to hand.

Fixed.

[GlacierFreeze]

do you know what a petrol bomb is and what it does? And honestly how can you be upset about a cop shooting someone thats throwing a bomb at him/her? Yeah we can sit around and talk about how nice it would have been to use non lethal force, but the cop responded quickly to the threat with the closest tool at hand to protect them.

I thought everyone has already established Lethn as a used tampon?

[Lethn]

While I'm highly for self-defense I think killing is an incredibly stupid and lazy thing to do, there are many things you could do in a situation like that where you can avoid it for instance firing warning shots, the fuckers are far more likely to run when they know your having a loaded weapon and are ready to use it.

Killing people as seen in this article only makes things worse because it's needless and pointless, plus unless they were poorly equipped or dumbasses a riot shield shouldn't have any problem stopping a petrol bomb as far as I know.

Of course, I know there are some idiots here who think it's perfectly okay to shoot up people in the street and pretend they're hardasses by being even more cowardly than the person attacking them but hey, I don't even know why I'm using common sense to try and reason with these sorts of people anymore.

I'd rather see an enemy cowering or running in fear myself because that sends off a message to the rest of them that their actions are un-justified, if you just kill them then all your going to do is give them a reason to hate you more.

[Methos43]

Alexander was...

macedonian?

[GlacierFreeze]

... I don't even know why I'm using common sense ...


Impossible.

[Daemonicus]

While I'm highly for self-defense I think killing is an incredibly stupid and lazy thing to do, there are many things you could do in a situation like that where you can avoid it for instance firing warning shots, the fuckers are far more likely to run when they know your having a loaded weapon and are ready to use it.

You have no clue. Have you ever been even in a fight?

Killing people as seen in this article only makes things worse because it's needless and pointless, plus unless they were poorly equipped or dumbasses a riot shield shouldn't have any problem stopping a petrol bomb as far as I know.

This had nothing to do with riots. Plus, have you ever seen a riot yourself? In a riot, cops are fighting for their lives. It's amusing to hear people always yell "OMG COP BRUTALITY" when it comes to riots and riots police. Guess what, those fuckers are throwing rocks, molotovs and will do anything to KILL YOU! Clearly you do not know what a petrol bomb is. Riot shield stopping a petrol bomb? What the fuck?

Here is how it looks in the air:
http://llnw.image.cbslocal.com/29/2008/04/01/320x240/molotov.jpg

Here is how it looks when it hits the target.
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/03HAeBs7i13IK/610x.jpg

Here is someone who was probably around where Molotov Cocktail hit.
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/03HAeBs7i13IK/610x.jpg

Sorry, but if I see anyone attempting to throw that shit at me, I'm blowing their fucking face off with a gun. If you are suicidal, go ahead, defend yourself with a riot shield.

Of course, I know there are some idiots here who think it's perfectly okay to shoot up people in the street and pretend they're hardasses by being even more cowardly than the person attacking them but hey, I don't even know why I'm using common sense to try and reason with these sorts of people anymore.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything? The kid was attempting to murder cops. The cops got him before he could have harm them. Bunch of kids are running around rioting and fighting riot cops.


I'd rather see an enemy cowering or running in fear myself because that sends off a message to the rest of them that their actions are un-justified, if you just kill them then all your going to do is give them a reason to hate you more.

Are you ignoring the fact that the kid was killed because he was a lethal threat to the cops or you are still not getting it?

[Daemonicus]

Here is a third picture I meant to post of a burn victim. Something that happens to you when you get hit by a bottle burning fluid.
http://www.alexinwonderland.com/images/burnvictim.jpg

[GlacierFreeze]

Here is a third picture I meant to post of a burn victim. Something that happens to you when you get hit by a bottle burning fluid.
http://www.alexinwonderland.com/images/burnvictim.jpg

Aww come on man. Doesn't matter what a burning bottle of flammable liquid can do to you. The cop should have taken it like a man. :rolleyes:

[Jathen]

You have to understand something about lethen. He got picked on in school so he went to the local karate master and "learned" to be a "deadly weapon"(He even said the gov classifies him as a weapon LOL). Nevermind the fact that he has never been in a fight before or even sparred. So when he says that using lethal force is lazy, he means everyone should be more like him.....and batman.

[Lethn]

You have to understand something about lethen. He got picked on in school so he went to the local karate master and "learned" to be a "deadly weapon"(He even said the gov classifies him as a weapon LOL). Nevermind the fact that he has never been in a fight before or even sparred. So when he says that using lethal force is lazy, he means everyone should be more like him.....and batman.

Hai Jathen, tried flaming me through private message yet because you can't find a way to troll me? Oh right you can't! Lololololol!11111

Also, as a matter of fact I have sparred, you just failed to pay attention to what I said which is why I put you on ignore, the UK government also classifies any and all martial artists green belt and above by law so I wasn't just bragging also you don't get the irony in my posts.

Of course I COULD come out and say that your style is nothing more than a sport that follows rules where you can't attack any vital points and have to use headgear and gloves which would mean all your sparring would be moot because your training would only restrict you to attacking certain areas of a person wheras they could attack you anywhere they like but then that would just lower me to your level of pettiness.

[IthroZada]

Hai Jathen, tried flaming me through private message yet because you can't find a way to troll me? Oh right you can't! Lololololol!11111

Also, as a matter of fact I have sparred, you just failed to pay attention to what I said which is why I put you on ignore, the UK government also classifies any and all martial artists green belt and above by law so I wasn't just bragging also you don't get the irony in my posts.

Of course I COULD come out and say that your style is nothing more than a sport that follows rules where you can't attack any vital points and have to use headgear and gloves but then that would just lower me to your level of pettiness.

Well I'm a Samurai/Ninja/Pirate/Spartan/Marine/Paladin/Robot/Knight


The UN has declared me a Weapon of Mass Destruction, when I first arrived on Earth there was this guy named Jesus riding Dinosaurs around, exactly 3 seconds after I arrived Jesus was fucking walking

[Jathen]

Hai Jathen, tried flaming me through private message yet because you can't find a way to troll me? Oh right you can't! Lololololol!11111

Also, as a matter of fact I have sparred, you just failed to pay attention to what I said which is why I put you on ignore, the UK government also classifies any and all martial artists green belt and above by law so I wasn't just bragging also you don't get the irony in my posts.

Of course I COULD come out and say that your style is nothing more than a sport that follows rules where you can't attack any vital points and have to use headgear and gloves which would mean all your sparring would be moot because your training would only restrict you to attacking certain areas of a person wheras they could attack you anywhere they like but then that would just lower me to your level of pettiness.

No need to get all defensive, I am just trying to help some of the newer people understand the fairytale world you live in.

[Lethn]

Well I'm a Samurai/Ninja/Pirate/Spartan/Marine/Paladin/Robot/Knight


The UN has declared me a Weapon of Mass Destruction, when I first arrived on Earth there was this guy named Jesus riding Dinosaurs around, exactly 3 seconds after I arrived Jesus was fucking walking

I was trolling him but clearly he didn't get it ;) thanks for reinforcing

Seriously Jathen, I don't need to prove anything to you, nor do I want to, it goes either way but I pretty much won this stupid e-peen war you started when you decided to try and spam me with insults in private message which just shows what an immature dick you are.

Save your squeaky voiced manhood and years of sparring and don't derail a perfectly decent thread.

[IthroZada]

I was trolling him but clearly he didn't get it ;) thanks for reinforcing

I ain't reinforcing shit. That was a true story.

[GlacierFreeze]

Well I'm a Samurai/Ninja/Pirate/Spartan/Marine/Paladin/Robot/Knight


Quite a deadly combination there.

[WhiteGuy]

While I'm highly for self-defense I think killing is an incredibly stupid and lazy thing to do, there are many things you could do in a situation like that where you can avoid it for instance firing warning shots, the fuckers are far more likely to run when they know your having a loaded weapon and are ready to use it.

Killing people as seen in this article only makes things worse because it's needless and pointless, plus unless they were poorly equipped or dumbasses a riot shield shouldn't have any problem stopping a petrol bomb as far as I know.

Of course, I know there are some idiots here who think it's perfectly okay to shoot up people in the street and pretend they're hardasses by being even more cowardly than the person attacking them but hey, I don't even know why I'm using common sense to try and reason with these sorts of people anymore.

I'd rather see an enemy cowering or running in fear myself because that sends off a message to the rest of them that their actions are un-justified, if you just kill them then all your going to do is give them a reason to hate you more.

:lmao: Im not even going to start.

[Lethn]

:lmao: Im not even going to start.

Meh that's my view on the thing take it or leave it lol.

[Jathen]

I was trolling him but clearly he didn't get it ;) thanks for reinforcing

Seriously Jathen, I don't need to prove anything to you, nor do I want to, it goes either way but I pretty much won this stupid e-peen war you started when you decided to try and spam me with insults in private message which just shows what an immature dick you are.

Save your squeaky voiced manhood and years of sparring and don't derail a perfectly decent thread.

Haha well I love how the one pm I pm I sent you asking you a legit question MONTHS ago is "spamming you with insults." Lies aside, you must really not know how ridiculous you sound when you say stuff like Killing people that are throwing a bomb at you is lazy and stupid.:confused:

And no, I dont think I was ever in a "e-peen war" with you, that would be pointless because everyone knows you are the whipping boy of forumfall.

[Momust]

there's something terribly wrong here... greeks can't be gangsta, wth are they doing?

Hey I take offense to that, just because we came up with society, and just about everything else doesnt say we cant be a little evil i mean we came up with democracy......

[Lethn]

Haha well I love how the one pm I pm I sent you asking you a legit question MONTHS ago is "spamming you with insults." Lies aside, you must really not know how ridiculous you sound when you say stuff like Killing people that are throwing a bomb at you is lazy and stupid.:confused:

You sent me one legit question and then you decided to spam me when I disagreed with you which is why your currently on ignore so I don't have to put up with you if I don't want to.

And no it's not ridiculous, it's common sense, no one wants to bloody die and in case you didn't notice the police are going to be made out as the bad guys here for shooting the person.

[Jathen]

While I'm highly for self-defense I think killing is an incredibly stupid and lazy thing to do


Athens after police shot dead a teenage boy who attempted to throw a petrol bomb at a patrol car, police officials said.



And no it's not ridiculous, it's common sense

Really?


PS: lieing about the pms wont make it any truer :(

[Methos43]

if someone is about to throw a petrol bomb at someone else you shoot them.

this is simple shit, people.

[Lethn]

When one tried to throw a petrol bomb, a policeman shot him in the stomach, said the official.

Hint hint, anyway, I'm not going to get goaded into a flame war with people who won't look at the facts.

But yes, stupid situation either way.

[Jathen]

if someone is about to throw a petrol bomb at someone else you shoot them.

this is simple shit, people.

You would think so.

[Quote] When one tried to throw a petrol bomb, a policeman shot him in the stomach, said the official.

Hint hint, anyway, I'm not going to get goaded into a flame war with people who won't look at the facts.

Right, so they should wait to shoot him AFTER he has thrown the bomb.

[Momust]

if someone is about to throw a petrol bomb at someone else you shoot them.

this is simple shit, people.

Naw your supposed to be stupid about it and wait think about it let it hit you die. Then when God(or some suppior thing) ask's you how you died you tell him an he kicks your ass back to where ever.

[IthroZada]

if someone is about to throw a petrol bomb at someone else you shoot them.

this is simple shit, people.

If a petrol bomb warrants a gun in response... what do you have to be launching in order to have a velociraptor with a jetpack and scissors set on you?

[GlacierFreeze]

Right, so they should wait to shoot him AFTER he has thrown the bomb.

Yes, scum of the earth is far more valuable.

[Momust]

If a petrol bomb warrants a gun in response... what do you have to be launching in order to have a velociraptor with a jetpack and scissors set on you?

Naw its the cloths on your back and a pocket watch...

[GlacierFreeze]

what do you have to be launching in order to have a velociraptor with a jetpack and scissors set on you?

Chuck Norris?

[Momust]

Chuck Norris?

now we are talking about somthing more dangerous

[heroshade]

So wait, when the boy fell, why didn't the petrol bomb explode next to him? Did he keep holding it or was he shot after he threw it?

:D

[Kekshorts]

So wait, when the boy fell, why didn't the petrol bomb explode next to him? Did he keep holding it or was he shot after he threw it?

:D
maybe the cop fired a warning shot, and the kid, being a raging pussy, dropped it, and it exploded next to him and that's why he died.

[heroshade]

maybe the cop fired a warning shot, and the kid, being a raging pussy, dropped it, and it exploded next to him and that's why he died.

I think it would be better if the cop just shot the bomb out of the kids hand.

:D

[Kekshorts]

I think it would be better if the cop just shot the bomb out of the kids hand.

:D
would have been better if the cop shot it out of his hand with one of these
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Russia/TsarBomba2Big.jpg

[Gaal]

While I'm highly for self-defense I think killing is an incredibly stupid and lazy thing to do, there are many things you could do in a situation like that where you can avoid it for instance firing warning shots, the fuckers are far more likely to run when they know your having a loaded weapon and are ready to use it.

Killing people as seen in this article only makes things worse because it's needless and pointless, plus unless they were poorly equipped or dumbasses a riot shield shouldn't have any problem stopping a petrol bomb as far as I know.

Of course, I know there are some idiots here who think it's perfectly okay to shoot up people in the street and pretend they're hardasses by being even more cowardly than the person attacking them but hey, I don't even know why I'm using common sense to try and reason with these sorts of people anymore.

I'd rather see an enemy cowering or running in fear myself because that sends off a message to the rest of them that their actions are un-justified, if you just kill them then all your going to do is give them a reason to hate you more.

Ya but if you kill them all then there's no one left to hate you.

[Spart]

While I'm highly for self-defense I think killing is an incredibly stupid and lazy thing to do, there are many things you could do in a situation like that where you can avoid it for instance firing warning shots, the fuckers are far more likely to run when they know your having a loaded weapon and are ready to use it.

Killing people as seen in this article only makes things worse because it's needless and pointless, plus unless they were poorly equipped or dumbasses a riot shield shouldn't have any problem stopping a petrol bomb as far as I know.

Of course, I know there are some idiots here who think it's perfectly okay to shoot up people in the street and pretend they're hardasses by being even more cowardly than the person attacking them but hey, I don't even know why I'm using common sense to try and reason with these sorts of people anymore.

I'd rather see an enemy cowering or running in fear myself because that sends off a message to the rest of them that their actions are un-justified, if you just kill them then all your going to do is give them a reason to hate you more.

Erm, I pretty sure this event is what set off the riots. So, those polices officers wouldn't have riots shields. Also, it wouldn't have done shit. A riot shield stops stuff like rocks and glasses, which are kinetic force. This is explosive. If you were holding a riot shield that got hit with a petrol bomb, you would die. So it wasn't pointless, the officer had a very good reason, which is that his life is more important than the teenagers life.

Also, warning shots? It's a petrol bomb. You do warning shots when you aren't in immediate danger, when you can see how you are going to be put in immediate danger and you are warning them that you can and will fire.

You did not use common sense. Your entire post was filled with fail, and pure stupidity. Also, we aren't advocating shooting up people in the street, we are saying that the police officer was completely justified in the defense of his, and his colleagues lives.

[Gaal]

Erm, I pretty sure this event is what set off the riots. So, those polices officers wouldn't have riots shields. Also, it wouldn't have done shit. A riot shield stops stuff like rocks and glasses, which are kinetic force. This is explosive. If you were holding a riot shield that got hit with a petrol bomb, you would die. So it wasn't pointless, the officer had a very good reason, which is that his life is more important than the teenagers life.

Also, warning shots? It's a petrol bomb. You do warning shots when you aren't in immediate danger, when you can see how you are going to be put in immediate danger and you are warning them that you can and will fire.

You did not use common sense. Your entire post was filled with fail, and pure stupidity. Also, we aren't advocating shooting up people in the street, we are saying that the police officer was completely justified in the defense of his, and his colleagues lives.

Just ignore Lenth, he just trolls as a gigantic, tree-hugging, bleeding heart, pussy to piss every one off.

[LordTenacious]

No, I'm pretty sure that is what he is.

[Spart]

No, I'm pretty sure that is what he is.

Yea, going with this.

[Layedballer]

While I'm highly for self-defense I think killing is an incredibly stupid and lazy thing to do, there are many things you could do in a situation like that where you can avoid it for instance firing warning shots, the fuckers are far more likely to run when they know your having a loaded weapon and are ready to use it.
What you don't realize is that while warning shots work in fights/protests etc. If a person(or people) are aiming to kill, bullets will not scare them, he KNEW an officer would have a gun, if he didn't then he deserves to die for being a fucking retard.

Killing people as seen in this article only makes things worse because it's needless and pointless, plus unless they were poorly equipped or dumbasses a riot shield shouldn't have any problem stopping a petrol bomb as far as I know.
First off, no cop carries a riot shield everywhere, only to riots, dumb ass.
Secondly, a riot shield is meant to keep RIOTERS away, the toughest ones can block low velocity weapons such as hand guns. They can protect against a splash, but only if it hits just right, even so, more then likely the material will be heated too much to be viable(must be discarded) or he still get's some on him and burns alive(both are most likely)


Of course, I know there are some idiots here who think it's perfectly okay to shoot up people in the street and pretend they're hardasses by being even more cowardly than the person attacking them but hey, I don't even know why I'm using common sense to try and reason with these sorts of people anymore.
No I don't think it's ok to just shoot up people, but if they're attempting to murder someone then yes, it is ok.
I think it's braver to stand in the face of danger(molotov) and fight back then to be the coward attacking an unaware officer.
Let me know when you use common sense and reason, I've yet to see any.

I'd rather see an enemy cowering or running in fear myself because that sends off a message to the rest of them that their actions are un-justified, if you just kill them then all your going to do is give them a reason to hate you more.
So you scare them and they go "Oh noes, we shouldn't fire bomb them anymore they might shoot into the air!!!":eek::ohno:
No, what happens is the retreat, regain more supplies/support and know you are too cowardly to kill. I Can gurantee you that there were more people who thought twice because they knew their actions will result in death.

[Spart]

What you don't realize is that while warning shots work in fights/protests etc. If a person(or people) are aiming to kill, bullets will not scare them, he KNEW an officer would have a gun, if he didn't then he deserves to die for being a fucking retard.


First off, no cop carries a riot shield everywhere, only to riots, dumb ass.
Secondly, a riot shield is meant to keep RIOTERS away, the toughest ones can block low velocity weapons such as hand guns. They can protect against a splash, but only if it hits just right, even so, more then likely the material will be heated too much to be viable(must be discarded) or he still get's some on him and burns alive(both are most likely)



No I don't think it's ok to just shoot up people, but if they're attempting to murder someone then yes, it is ok.
I think it's braver to stand in the face of danger(molotov) and fight back then to be the coward attacking an unaware officer.
Let me know when you use common sense and reason, I've yet to see any.

So you scare them and they go "Oh noes, we shouldn't fire bomb them anymore they might shoot into the air!!!":eek::ohno:
No, what happens is the retreat, regain more supplies/support and know you are too cowardly to kill. I Can gurantee you that there were more people who thought twice because they knew their actions will result in death.

Ohh... I saw the thread had a new post, and hoped it was Lethn. Completely let down.

[Painweaver]

Leave Darkfall alone! LEAVE IT ALONE!

[Daemonicus]

Leave Darkfall alone! LEAVE IT ALONE!

Darkfall isn't Britney Spears, it can handle itself.

[Painweaver]

Darkfall isn't Britney Spears, it can handle itself.

Point taken.

[Rimayven]

Good for the police. If anyone was trying to throw a form of molotov at me, I would shoot them.

I'd tie them up for questioning.

[Spart]

I'd tie them up for questioning.

I think you missed quite a lot in that scenario. Like how you manage to not die from bomb, and then catch the kid who did it.

[Daemonicus]

I'd tie them up for questioning.

How do you expect to tie anyone up when you are burned alive inside a car because some idiot teenager threw a Molotov cocktail at it?

Just curious.

[Tharkon Fargor]

Good for the police. If anyone was trying to throw a form of molotov at me, I would shoot them.

Technichly if the people are rioting the police should protect the people and if there's a revolution they should even support the people. So you shouldn't get a molotov on you at all if you are doing what you're supposed to.

[Daemonicus]

Technichly if the people are rioting the police should protect the people and if there's a revolution they should even support the people. So you shouldn't get a molotov on you at all if you are doing what you're supposed to.

The riots happened after the incident.

[Layedballer]

Technichly if the people are rioting the police should protect the people and if there's a revolution they should even support the people. So you shouldn't get a molotov on you at all if you are doing what you're supposed to.

Read comprehension ftw?

[Tharkon Fargor]

The riots happened after the incident.

I just read the comments.
Someone said "I'd shoot them if they threw molotovs at me".

That's what happens when you hope that the person before you read the part you should've read.

[Spinewire]

That's what happens when you hope that the person before you read the part you should've read.
on forumfall thats a dangerous game to play

[Tharkon Fargor]

Anyway yeah you don't want to piss the students off in Greece, Italy or France where they see demonstrations and riots as an afternoon activity basicly.

When they tried to privatize schools in Greece 80% shut down, teachers to.

[Vangeliss]

and they said to have arrested the policeman.he should get a medal.such people and their parents should go straight to jail.

[Tharkon Fargor]

and they said to have arrested the policeman.he should get a medal.such people and their parents should go straight to jail.

Nah you see. They follow the principle of V. Governments should be afraid of their people, not the other way around. . . :ohno:


Government includes cops =/
But yeah, those were probably kids astray who have fucked up families and lives. They should've gone to jail but the kids shouldn't have been shot.

[Vangeliss]

if the people are brainless stupid kids that have fun by throwing molotovs then i dont agree.
its not like they have a purpose,they are not rioting for their rights.they are just retards

[Tharkon Fargor]

if the people are brainless stupid kids that have fun by throwing molotovs then i dont agree.
its not like they have a purpose,they are not rioting for their rights.they are just retards

Yeah I agree with you :( :( :(

[Morthor]

What a stupid kid... why was he throwing a petrol bomb in the first place?

This reminds me of the brazillian who got shot in London because they thought he was a terrorist.. national security and the potential loss of hundreds of lives is far more important than one man. You gotta feel for his family but you'd think they could see the argument from the other side too

[Tharkon Fargor]

Wait wtf... This shit has nothing to do with that.

You cannot just "THINK" someone is a terrorist and fucking kill him and somehow justify that. Are you a moron or are you trolling?

[Morthor]

Wait wtf... This shit has nothing to do with that.

You cannot just "THINK" someone is a terrorist and fucking kill him and somehow justify that. Are you a moron or are you trolling?

Well its similar in that someone was killed who was or was thought to be a threat. Can you make that link? No I'm deadly serious, I think if the police were so prepared to shoot someone, they had some kind of evidence or good reason to beleive he was dangerous. they obviously didnt just do it on a whim,

[Kraven]

age doesn't matter; i say kill everyone who throws BOMBS

[Tharkon Fargor]

Well its similar in that someone was killed who was or was thought to be a threat. Can you make that link? No I'm deadly serious, I think if the police were so prepared to shoot someone, they had some kind of evidence or good reason to beleive he was dangerous. they obviously didnt just do it on a whim,

nono. Throwing a petrol bomb is a potential threat though since its a kid probably not a reason enough to shoot someone.
Killing someone who you just "think" is a terrorist should get who ever killed him 20 years in prison. Cause if we start killing people without any definitive proof I'm going to JOIN "the terrorists" and embrace radical islam rather than that.

[Tharkon Fargor]

age doesn't matter; i say kill everyone who throws BOMBS

:sly: I see what you did there :lmao:

[Spinewire]

Wait wtf... This shit has nothing to do with that.

You cannot just "THINK" someone is a terrorist and fucking kill him and somehow justify that. Are you a moron or are you trolling?
If he had played by the rules then it would not have happened.

[Vangeliss]

having a face that looks like a terrorist isnt evidence.you have to be 100% sure before you take someones live.but that kid was caught with the bomb on his hands.

[Daemonicus]

nono. Throwing a petrol bomb is a potential threat though since its a kid probably not a reason enough to shoot someone.
Killing someone who you just "think" is a terrorist should get who ever killed him 20 years in prison. Cause if we start killing people without any definitive proof I'm going to JOIN "the terrorists" and embrace radical islam rather than that.

So Molotov's Cocktail, which is used in wars to burn cars and tanks with people inside, isn't a threat to few people inside a car?

Shit, if that isn't, then I don't know what is a lethal threat anymore.

[Spinewire]

having a face that looks like a terrorist isnt evidence.you have to be 100% sure before you take someones live.but that kid was caught with the bomb on his hands.
Being 100% sure is normaly far far too late...

[Tharkon Fargor]

isn't


:( is a potential threat

Being 100% sure is normaly far far too late...

That's the risk that comes with living in a democratic, just society. Ellse we might aswell embrace the radical islamic ideology.

[Morthor]

nono. Throwing a petrol bomb is a potential threat though since its a kid probably not a reason enough to shoot someone.
Killing someone who you just "think" is a terrorist should get who ever killed him 20 years in prison. Cause if we start killing people without any definitive proof I'm going to JOIN "the terrorists" and embrace radical islam rather than that.

I think they must have had some pretty solid grounds to kill him or they wouldnt have. Imagine - someone youre almost certain is a terrorist gets on a crowded train with a backpack that could have a bomb in. Would you take the risk of potentially letting him kill hundreds or take that one life? I know what id do. And besides, the guy who killed him was doing his job, the total blame should not fall on him.

[Kraven]

:(



That's the risk that comes with living in a democratic, just society. Ellse we might aswell embrace the radical islamic ideology.

Why you gotta bring religion into this?

[Tharkon Fargor]

I think they must have had some pretty solid grounds to kill him or they wouldnt have. Imagine - someone youre almost certain is a terrorist gets on a crowded train with a backpack that could have a bomb in. Would you take the risk of potentially letting him kill hundreds or take that one life? I know what id do. And besides, the guy who killed him was doing his job, the total blame should not fall on him.

someone youre almost certain is a terrorist gets on a crowded train with a backpack

Exacly my point, they had ABSOLUTELY no proof, they were just spooked about "BACKPACKS!!!" and thought every backpack was a potential bomb. Morons - and they ended a kids life because of it.

Obviously they didn't have any proof since he had no connections.
It's like when they listened to that one iraqi refugee in germany that wanted a fast asylum and lied his ass off about nuclear weapons and they based the whole casus beli on him.

Sure the blame should fall on the cop. It is up to him to refuse the order because he knows it is the right thing to do. Ofcourse who ever issued the order should get his ass put behind bars for a long time to.

[Cyrogenic]

IMO... Kid was a dumbass, got what was commin to him.

[Daemonicus]

Why you gotta bring religion into this?

Scapegoat.

[Vangeliss]

arrest the guy that is a potential threat dont kill him.

[Morthor]

All I have to say is: I'm glad youre not in charge of my security

[Tharkon Fargor]

Why you gotta bring religion into this?

Cause we're talking about the Brazilian guy who got shot because they thought he was a islamic terrorist and had no proof at all.

All I have to say is: I'm glad youre not in charge of my security
You'd be glad I was if you were the guy they shot or one of the 700 000 dead iraqies because of one traitors lies. Yep, you'd be glad then.
Stop being so fucking spooked. He who wishes to trade liberty for some temporary security deserves neither.

[Daemonicus]

arrest the guy that is a potential threat dont kill him.

Are you having difficulties with understanding and comprehending English language?

Just trying to help.

[Spinewire]

That's the risk that comes with living in a democratic, just society. Ellse we might aswell embrace the radical islamic ideology.
Thasts a some what retarded leap in logic.

It would help if he did not run away from the police had a visa so they knew who the fuck he was, also if you are going to run away with a big jacket on don't do it onto the london underground.

I'm not saying there was not a fuck up, it sure as hell was not the person that shot hims fault tho.

Cause we're talking about the Brasilian guy who got shot because they thought he was a islamic terrorist and had no proof at all.All terrorists are not islamic, remeber this is the UK we have been putting up with this shit for years and years.

Just because i understand nothing in this life is absoulte does not mean i should start practicing Islam.

[Tharkon Fargor]

Thasts a some what retarded leap in logic.

It would help if he did not run away from the police had a visa so they knew who the fuck he was, also if you are going to run away with a big jacket on don't do it onto the london underground.

I'm not saying there was not a fuck up, it sure as hell was not the person that shot hims fault tho.

What? lol.
First of all, do you need to carry your visa where ever you go? No.
Secondly, run and run away...The police had no just cause to take him into custody and HE knew that they had nothing that according to british law could justify shooting him.

The police had no proof not even a justified assumption so according to law they should be prosecuted because they acted outside the framework of the law they had sworn to protect.

[Spinewire]

What? lol.
First of all, do you need to carry your visa where ever you go? No.
Work Visa fool not the credit/debit card, he had been in the country illegaly for the last 2 years. Thus there was no record of him being here when they ran checks.

He was asked to stop by police and he ran on to the London Underground, and jumped the barrier with clothes that could have concealed a bomb.

Secondly, run and run away...The police had no just cause to take him into custody and HE knew that they had nothing that according to british law could justify shooting him.Apart from the fact he was an unidentified foreign national evading arresst and gaining unlawfull access to public transport with a big ass jacket on so close to the other bombings.

The police had no proof not even a justified assumption soWhat a load of bollocks, they don't deploy and ARU into the London underground just for the fucking lolz...

It was a mistake on intelligences part to flag him as a terror suspect, but if he had a work permit(visa) or even a recent one and not lept over barries and ran from police then they would have not been forced to act in the way they did.

[Madrandomize]

Shooting in the crowd is never justified,those police officers had smoke and flash grenades and yet they chose to fire first.

Btw as the forensic investigator said there was not even a petrol bomb thrown at the particular place at the particular time ,only a bottle of water and rocks.

Yes the action of the masked assholes was not justified and they should get locked in but that doesn't mean that the officers have the right to shoot.

Btw the officers didn't ask for any backups also because they were too sure that by using the gun will intimidate the troublemakers.

RL pvp FTL.

[Niles]

Attack, run away from or insult police, imo should mean instant bullet to the brain.

[Spinewire]

Shooting in the crowd is never justified,those police officers had smoke and flash grenades and yet they chose to fire first.

Btw as the forensic investigator said there was not even a petrol bomb thrown at the particular place at the particular time ,only a bottle of water and rocks.

Yes the action of the masked assholes was not justified and they should get locked in but that doesn't mean that the officers have the right to shoot.

Btw the officers didn't ask for any backups also because they were too sure that by using the gun will intimidate the troublemakers.

RL pvp FTL.No wonder people kicked the off then, trigger happy police ftl.

[Tharkon Fargor]

Attack, run away from or insult police, imo should mean instant bullet to the brain.

You're a moron. Insulting the police, running away?
You do want a police state where the cops are above the law, don't you?

=( So much negative feelings towards cops in this thread. It ofcourse doesn't reflect the overall situation but cops that act the way they did in London should get their ass handed to them.

[Spinewire]

run away from or insult police, imo should mean instant bullet to the brain.
Glad your not incharge as i would be dead already.

[Niles]

You're a moron. Insulting the police, running away?
You do want a police state where the cops are above the law, don't you?

=( So much negative feelings towards cops in this thread. It ofcourse doesn't reflect the overall situation but cops that act the way they did in London should get their ass handed to them.

I guess you don't know what kind of goverment I want.

[Spinewire]

It ofcourse doesn't reflect the overall situation but cops that act the way they did in London should get their ass handed to them.
If you think it was the fault of police officer that pulled the trigger then you really have 0 clue wtf your on about, also bare in mind the intelligence porbabaly did not come from inside the Police it's self.

[Tharkon Fargor]

Glad your not incharge as i would be dead already.

Me to. :ohno: We did some pranks as kids and one of those pranks ended up being targeted at someone who was part of the SÄPO (CIA of Sweden). We didn't know =/ I ran...

[Tharkon Fargor]

If you think it was the police officer that pulled the triggers fault then you really have 0 clue wtf your on about, also bare in mind the intelligence porbabaly did not come from inside the Police it's self.

The intelligence didn't exist. They were just freaked out and acted on impulse. The whole system. Point at some actual intelligence.

It's not a crime to have a "big jacket" for christ sake. And not having a working visa (I know you meant that) isn't a big crime neither, plus you don't always need to carry it.

[Niles]

Me to. :ohno: We did some pranks as kids and one of those pranks ended up being targeted at someone who was part of the SÄPO (CIA of Sweden). We didn't know =/ I ran...

Coward, you should have zerged him.

[Spinewire]

Me to. :ohno: We did some pranks as kids and one of those pranks ended up being targeted at someone who was part of the SÄPO (CIA of Sweden). We didn't know =/ I ran...
I pissed on a police van and ran away, nearly got away with it too but they caught me and i spent a night in a cell.

I asked the Sergeant for a pillow aswell and he got mega pissed and slamed the cell door :(

The intelligence didn't exist. They were just freaked out and acted on impulse. The whole system. Point at some actual intelligence.He was suspect (due to the fact they had 0 fucking clue who he was or where he came from) who they were going to question but when tried to aprehend him he promtly legged it and vaulted the barrier.

If they shot everyone in a bomber jacked who vaulted the gates in the London Undergound it would be a fucking blood bath. Mi5 had flagged him as a suspect probabaly due to not knowing who he was, and after he ran onto the tube they could not take the risk of him blowing it sky high.

It's not a crime to have a "big jacket" for christ sake. And not having a working visa (I know you meant that) isn't a big crime neither, plus you don't always need to carry it.You don't need to carry it as you can check quite easly, but the point is he had not had one for 2 years. Running from the police is also a crime as it gaining unlawful entry to the London underground.

Also I did not say having a big jacket was a crime. -.-

[antihero-zero]

I just think it's sad really, there are better ways to deal with someone attacking you than just shoot them, an ordinary person is one thing but police officers are bloody trained for this.

Police officers are trained? HAHA! I once thought like you too, you poor naive' boy. May I pinch your cheeks?

I once was working security with a few guy when we had 2 people in handcuffs that the police were arresting (we had called them). The police asked us to remove our cuffs while they questioned them, and then a call came over the police radio that explained the one of the people we had cuffed had a warrant for his arrest. The kid with the warrant runs to his car and tries to escape... my security guys and me all spring to action, restrain the other guy (2 of us), while 3 go after the guy in the car. (2 restrain him in the vehicle while 1 stops his car from rolling back into the police cruiser). Once we have both people restained and back on the pavement, thus doing the cops job for them, all is well. Lemme tell you what the police did while this was happening.

Both male cop and female cop look dumbfounded. They are standing behind the vehicle that began to roll backwards. Once the sedan begins to roll towards them, almost hitting their cruiser, they both draw their firearms and point them AT US (the security team). Had we not also stopped the sedan it would have hit their cruiser and they would have let it. Once they eventually, and I do mean eventually, figured out we had just helped them, they holstered their weapons and "arrested" the two men.

That kid was probably delivering papers and caught a stay if they are anything like American police.

[Ababoba]

They're just training for Darkfall FFA PvP.

[Wickfield]

Full loot on?

He must have forgot that they were outside the safe-zone.

But when the cop took down the mob, they aggroed half the city, and trained to zone.

[ForzikTheFeared]

The boy was a idiot, what did he expect? Although the police should have used batons and such devices instead.

[sorros]

What kind of moron throws a petrol bomb at the cops...

[heroshade]

For fucks sake people! If someone is holding a molotov and they are ready to throw it at you, you don't fire warning shots. "Bang bang in the air bang put it do-OHMIGODIMONFIRE!!!" Doesn't seem quite as efficient as "Put it down. Okay, BANG. Oh look, I'm alive and the asshole with the bomb is dead."

When your life is in danger you pull yourself out of danger. In fact, it is commendable that he shot the kid in the stomach, giving him a chance of survival (Though that might not even be his reason for hitting him there), as opposed to his head, wtfkapwning him instantly.

[Ababoba]

What kind of moron throws a petrol bomb at the cops...

The kind of moron who wants to be shot.

[KoMM]

athens in flames today..chaos everywhere.
eye witnesses say that the kids only cussed at the police, no molotov/bomb/whatever...


macedonian?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_(Greece) ^_^

[Wickfield]

athens in flames today..chaos everywhere.
eye witnesses say that the kids only cussed at the police, no molotov/bomb/whatever...




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_(Greece) ^_^

right....

[heroshade]

athens in flames today..chaos everywhere.
eye witnesses say that the kids only cussed at the police, no molotov/bomb/whatever...




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_(Greece) ^_^

Oh, right, I'm always getting those confused, thanks for clearing that up, sorry.

[KoMM]

right....

thats what several people said...

[kingpin]

it's nice to be a cop. you have guns but are not allowed to use them for your defence. if you do everyone will say "what the hell are you doing?!". if you don't, everyone will say "why the hell you have the guns for?!"

people are never happy.

[IthroZada]

I think that if I'm a cop, I'll just walk around with a nuke strapped to my back..... everyone has the choice to desist hostilities or watch half of the city(including themselves) become vapor

[Rigan Pere]

I think that if I'm a cop, I'll just walk around with a nuke strapped to my back..... everyone has the choice to desist hostilities or watch half of the city(including themselves) become vapor

How about just a shit load of grenades and throw them at the rioters?
Being as I would rather not become vapor myself because of some little punk being a shithead.

[Connecticaine]

the kids dumb and the officers dumb, shoot the bitch in the leg and get out of the car. wtf.

unless he had an automatic bomb launcher you only had to dodge one. If your two fat to run out of the way of a molotolve you see about to be thrown, you shouldnt be a god damn police officer.

this is what gets me, anyone can be a police officer these days. They should be trained to evaluate the situation and handle it correctly.

a molotolve cocktail (if thats what they were using) is not that big of a deal, sure it explodes and sends gas and fire but unless it initially hits you the worse you'll get is a 3rd degree burn on exposed skin. its not a fuckin rpg.

also you know the cops shoot for easiest place because its fuckin absurd to think a cop should have regular training on the weapon everyweek as part of his job.

i see alot of you state he was under pressure from firing and shit like that, there was no riot at the time, it was a cop folding under pressure. his ass shouldnt be a cop for this.

But the kid did something stupid, "where were the parents at?" hes 15 not a grown man. Kid deserved to get shot.

[ExiliuM]

the kids dumb and the officers dumb, shoot the bitch in the leg and get out of the car. wtf.

unless he had an automatic bomb launcher you only had to dodge one. If your two fat to run out of the way of a molotolve you see about to be thrown, you shouldnt be a god damn police officer.

this is what gets me, anyone can be a police officer these days. They should be trained to evaluate the situation and handle it correctly.

a molotolve cocktail (if thats what they were using) is not that big of a deal, sure it explodes and sends gas and fire but unless it initially hits you the worse you'll get is a 3rd degree burn on exposed skin. its not a fuckin rpg.

also you know the cops shoot for easiest place because its fuckin absurd to think a cop should have regular training on the weapon everyweek as part of his job.

i see alot of you state he was under pressure from firing and shit like that, there was no riot at the time, it was a cop folding under pressure. his ass shouldnt be a cop for this.

But the kid did something stupid, "where were the parents at?" hes 15 not a grown man. Kid deserved to get shot.

Are you a retarded war veteran or have you played too much games?

[palo god]

Another example of natural selection.

[Connecticaine]

Are you a retarded war veteran or have you played too much games?

niether, we used to make Molotovs when i was younger, they are glorifed in movies and games, so i could see why someone would take the impression of it being life or death. Especially when u see it thrown at you.

sorry if u disagree but i think both were wrong, not just one of them.

[Scully]

Haha wtf. Riots over that?........

[sips1s]

For the sake of the murdered boy plz close this thread. This place is filled with heartless weirdos. If u wanna know the truth about Alexandros/Andreas Grigoropoulos read this. And close that thread plz

http://bristol.indymedia.org/article/689371

[Jathen]

the kids dumb and the officers dumb, shoot the bitch in the leg and get out of the car. wtf.

unless he had an automatic bomb launcher you only had to dodge one. If your two fat to run out of the way of a molotolve you see about to be thrown, you shouldnt be a god damn police officer.

this is what gets me, anyone can be a police officer these days. They should be trained to evaluate the situation and handle it correctly.

a molotolve cocktail (if thats what they were using) is not that big of a deal, sure it explodes and sends gas and fire but unless it initially hits you the worse you'll get is a 3rd degree burn on exposed skin. its not a fuckin rpg.

also you know the cops shoot for easiest place because its fuckin absurd to think a cop should have regular training on the weapon everyweek as part of his job.

i see alot of you state he was under pressure from firing and shit like that, there was no riot at the time, it was a cop folding under pressure. his ass shouldnt be a cop for this.

But the kid did something stupid, "where were the parents at?" hes 15 not a grown man. Kid deserved to get shot.

Oh, thats all that they do......its a good thing because at first I thought they were actually dangerous or somthing.

[sips1s]

Oh, thats all that they do......its a good thing because at first I thought they were actually dangerous or somthing.

read my post

[ikhoefnix]

Good decision. Kill the little fucker.

[Connecticaine]

For the sake of the murdered boy plz close this thread. This place is filled with heartless weirdos. If u wanna know the truth about Alexandros/Andreas Grigoropoulos read this. And close that thread plz

http://bristol.indymedia.org/article/689371

that is a blog, should we all believe it? also are there any eyewitness reports to back this up?

also i believe the best place to make a Molotov is in a bar dontcha think? wouldnt have to bring one if there is a bottle of liquor right next to him......


Edit: Infact that very statement discredits the whole writeup. tell the editor he fails hard.

[DR.NUMBERS]

For the sake of the murdered boy plz close this thread. This place is filled with heartless weirdos. If u wanna know the truth about Alexandros/Andreas Grigoropoulos read this. And close that thread plz

http://bristol.indymedia.org/article/689371

Lol, troll harder?

It is well known that the specific district of athens is one of the most leftish ones, and is

usually full of anarchists.

The past night 2 policemen thought that it was a nice idea to go walk through that road as

a part of their patrol.

As we can all understand this was a provoking-harrasment movement.

Classic.

[sips1s]

that is a blog, should we all believe it? also are there any eyewitness reports to back this up?

also i believe the best place to make a Molotov is in a bar dontcha think? wouldnt have to bring one if there is a bottle of liquor right next to him......

The police itself admits these facts. The boy was murdered. The cop which his face and name are known to the public through these blogs(yes internet is the last cradle of true democracy in Greece) and he wont get away with it....

[Fro]

Do we know why the kids were attacking the cops in the first place?

[Rigan Pere]

For the sake of the murdered boy plz close this thread. This place is filled with heartless weirdos. If u wanna know the truth about Alexandros/Andreas Grigoropoulos read this. And close that thread plz

http://bristol.indymedia.org/article/689371

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

That link is a pile of bullshit....I mean COME ON!!! the guys e-mail is "Antipolice@rocketmail.com", who the fuck is going to think thats the truth and by no means Biased.

[Connecticaine]

Oh, thats all that they do......its a good thing because at first I thought they were actually dangerous or somthing.

ya its dangerous but not life threatening as if they had a gun. plus do they not have tazers in greece? whats wrong with using that, you see the person attempting to throw and you taze. boom key falls down, molotive explodes on him, and you have irony.

[sips1s]

Lol, troll harder?
What if he was YOUR son?

[sips1s]

Do we know why the kids were attacking the cops in the first place?

They were not even attacking. They used bad language against the cops

[Connecticaine]

The police itself admits these facts. The boy was murdered. The cop which his face and name are known to the public through these blogs(yes internet is the last cradle of true democracy in Greece) and he wont get away with it....

show me the official statement of this admittance. also please tell me you can compensate for this writer to state "this was a lie, noone goes to the bar with molotovs..... i mean wtf is this writer 13 and never been to a bar or seen a molotov

[sips1s]

show me the official statement of this admittance. also please tell me you can compensate for this writer to state "this was a lie, noone goes to the bar with molotovs..... i mean wtf is this writer 13 and never been to a bar or seen a molotov
It's in Greek

[DR.NUMBERS]

I also love how that article is signed by " antipolice@rocketmail.com"...reliable.


Choice quotes:

we can all understand

is one of the most tragical things ever happened.... being killed by a CLOD BLOODED

police murderer while having a beer.


The policemen say that they were attacked with stones and molotov bombs , wich is a lie

because as we all know, when we go out for a drink at a bar we usually do not carry

stones or molotovs on us.

[Connecticaine]

It's in Greek

dude fuck off you conspirator nut,

oh im sorry its in that mysterious language that only you hold the key to?

guess i forgot greek cant be translated.

either back that shit up, or dont argue about a conspiracy based on opinion.s

[Fro]

They were not even attacking. They used bad language against the cops

That would make the riots more logical.

[Kin]

Weak story...



See: Cause & Effect.

[KoMM]

basically atm the 2 special guards-policemen are suspended -so is the chief of police of that area-and they are charged with intentional manslaughter and illegal use of firearm. Their lawyer -well known in greece- just resigned.

[DR.NUMBERS]

That would make the riots more logical.

People will riot if he was killed for whatever reason. Remember in France when those kids being chased by cops electrocuted themselves? Riots. They even gave them a fucking memorial.

The deaths of Zyed Benna and Bouna Traore sparked three weeks of violent riots in France's poor suburbs as the young and unemployed vented their anger

Heres an idea! Don't run! And if you do, don't hide behind a freaking power transformer!

[Morthor]

basically atm the 2 special guards-policemen are suspended -so is the chief of police of that area-and they are charged with intentional manslaughter and illegal use of firearm. Their lawyer -well known in greece- just resigned.

Thats totally redundant if they wouldnt have made that decision should things not have kicked off imo.

[Darkrabbit18]

Good I say. That little fucker got what he deserves. What the fuck do people expect is going to happen when you throw petrol bombs at police? It's self-defence.

[Darkrabbit18]

ya its dangerous but not life threatening as if they had a gun. plus do they not have tazers in greece? whats wrong with using that, you see the person attempting to throw and you taze. boom key falls down, molotive explodes on him, and you have irony.

Tazers are short range. You try tazing someone from afar and see how well it works.

[Fro]

I love how all these idiots are ignoring what the actual greeks are telling them and pretending they know better from reading one article on the subject.

[SSguy]

What if he was YOUR son?

I would be glad my son got what he deserved. Just because its your fucking child does not mean he gets special rights and privaledges. Guess what? The police officer? He is someone else's son too....you know, police do not just spontaneously spawn.

If I fail to instill the idea that throwing a bomb at someone, not evil, not bad, and certainly not in law enforcement, is a bad idea....then he deserves what he gets for the lack of common sense.


when we go out for a drink at a bar we usually do not carry stones or molotovs on us.

Some epic "proof" right there, LOL. USUALLY we don't take molotovs to a bar......and when we do, we deny it vehemently!

[kingpin]

i bet they all riot to let off some steam and don't even care about the kid.

i say find where they live and burn their stores and cars.

fucking cunts.

[kingpin]

What if he was YOUR son?

my son would know better than throwing molotovs to private and public property.

but i guess that never crossed your mind. everything is perfect and everyone but the kid and his family are at wrong.

hypocrit.

[DR.NUMBERS]

I love how all these idiots are ignoring what the actual greeks are telling them and pretending they know better from reading one article on the subject.

As opposed to the Greek linking us an article from an unrecognized source signed off by "antipolice@rocketmail.com"? That's the one I really love.

On the news here (Netherlands) they say the boy was shouting and throwing rocks at police and then threatened to throw a Molotov cocktail at which point he was shot. Fine by me.

[Connecticaine]

Tazers are short range. You try tazing someone from afar and see how well it works.

21 feet is short range? i didnt think so, but ok under that theory. You cant dodge a bottle thrown further away than 21 feet?

and i have seen it from afar, at my job a man was swinging a bat at my manager then continued shopping, when the cops came they were about 25 feet away when he went in his pocket (rofl who does that) to get his phone and got dropped, the laser was on his chest but dropped to his stomach and he went down like a rock, and this dude was about 6'2 250, built like a rock.

try again please.

[Kin]

As opposed to the Greek linking us an article from an unrecognized source signed off by "antipolice@rocketmail.com"? That's the one I really love.

On the news here (Netherlands) they say the boy was shouting and throwing rocks at police and then threatened to throw a Molotov cocktail at which point he was shot. Fine by me.


Rofl... Especially @ the email.

[Fro]

As opposed to the Greek linking us an article from an unrecognized source signed off by "antipolice@rocketmail.com"? That's the one I really love.

On the news here (Netherlands) they say the boy was shouting and throwing rocks at police and then threatened to throw a Molotov cocktail at which point he was shot. Fine by me.

Well i've looked around a bit and it doesn't seem as if anyones quite sure what happened but somethings defentley pissing the greeks off. I dont think the riots merely because the boy got shot that was just the catalyst which pushed people over the edge.

[SSguy]

21 feet is short range? i didnt think so, but ok under that theory. You cant dodge a bottle thrown further away than 21 feet?

and i have seen it from afar, at my job a man was swinging a bat at my manager then continued shopping, when the cops came they were about 25 feet away when he went in his pocket (rofl who does that) to get his phone and got dropped, the laser was on his chest but dropped to his stomach and he went down like a rock, and this dude was about 6'2 250, built like a rock.

try again please.

Let me know when bats explode in flames and can be thrown the moment a taser is seen, also, when the person doing the throwing is not insane, AND when molotov cocktails can be held in someone's pocket. kthx tryagainplox

"OMFG THIS ONE TIME I SAW COPS TASER A CRAZY DUDE WITH A BAT!!! THAT TOTALLY MEANS THEY CAN TASER ANYONE IN ANY SITUATION I MEAN HOLY SHITS A MOLOTOV IS KINDA LIKE A BAT!!"

Please don't breed.

Why is this boy's life worth so much trouble and the possible injuring of a police man? Did you ever think about who he would terrorize with molotovs if the police weren't there for him tofocus on? Life isn't precious, its just one dead criminal in training, we shouldn't be shedding tears.

[m0j0mann]

Send in PutinTank (http://putintank.ytmnd.com/) to restore law and order!

But seriously, what started all this shiznit? Like Fro said, the shooting was simply the catalyst.
I know that the Greek govt and social institutions are both corrupt as hell, so i expect it had something to do with that.

[kingpin]

Send in PutinTank (http://putintank.ytmnd.com/) to restore law and order!

But seriously, what started all this shiznit? Like Fro said, the shooting was simply the catalyst.

darkfall release is later than expected.

[Kin]

Send in PutinTank (http://putintank.ytmnd.com/) to restore law and order!

But seriously, what started all this shiznit? Like Fro said, the shooting was simply the catalyst.
I know that the Greek govt and social institutions are both corrupt as hell, so i expect it had something to do with that.


Pretty sure that would make your answer... "The shooting"... lol

[m0j0mann]

Pretty sure that would make your answer... "The shooting"... lol

Shooting was the catalyst, but a shooting can only start a riot if there were underlying social/economic problems already.
There certainly were underlying social/economic problems, but I'm not sure what they were exactly.

[Connecticaine]

Let me know when bats explode in flames and be thrown the moment a taser is seen, also, when the person doing the throwing is not insane. kthx tryagainplox

"OMFG THIS ONE TIME I SAW COPS TASER A CRAZY DUDE WITH A BAT!!! THAT TOTALLY MEANS THEY CAN TASER ANYONE IN ANY SITUATION I MEAN HOLY SHITS A MOLOTOV IS KINDA LIKE A BAT!!"

Please don't breed.

wow dude epic fail. You seriously are either retarded or really young.

the quote above mine was about the range of a tazer and trying it from afar. Had nothing to do with what they tried. but you know i guess reading the quote above my text was to difficult for a middle school student to comprehend fuckin noob.

anyways to cater to your idiocy. a tazer has a higher incapacitating rate than a bullet from a 9mm handgun you fuckin jackass beyond all belief.

Unless of course you shoot the brain, then they are about even

now go read a book you dumb fuck.

[DR.NUMBERS]

Send in PutinTank (http://putintank.ytmnd.com/) to restore law and order!

But seriously, what started all this shiznit? Like Fro said, the shooting was simply the catalyst.
I know that the Greek govt and social institutions are both corrupt as hell, so i expect it had something to do with that.


Its going to turn out that the deceased was either:

A) Poor/Lived in the ghetto

B) Albanian

C) Both

Like in France, the rest of the population that fits into that category is now going to go apeshit because they feel oppressed and singled out.

[KoMM]

the 2 policemen say that they were attacked with bottles/rocks.
in the corner of the street that the whole thing happened, is a cafe, and several eye witnesses all over the news claimed that it was just a verbal incident, swearing and provoking from both sides.

Then they fired and left.


the kid was from a wealthy family, private school, etc.


thats whats on all the channels.

[SSguy]

ya its dangerous but not life threatening as if they had a gun. plus do they not have tazers in greece? whats wrong with using that, you see the person attempting to throw and you taze. boom key falls down, molotive explodes on him, and you have irony.

wow dude epic fail. You seriously are either retarded or really young.


the quote above mine was about the range of a tazer and trying it from afar. Had nothing to do with what they tried. but you know i guess reading the quote above my text was to difficult for a middle school student to comprehend fuckin noob.


O RLY!?!?! Because I can swear to god the top quote is you bitching about the police not using tazers, and the bottom quote is some stupid justification on the range of the tazer, further attempting to justify your compliaint of the police not using tazers.

Goldfish memory much?

Let me break it down for you, since you seem to be retarded.
A. You complain police should have used tazers, imply they are idiots for not.
B. Someone says tazer range sucks
C. You counter with some retarded argument of how cops used a tazer from 25 feet (as if you actually counted them LOL) to take down an unsuspecting man with a pat who was reaching into his pocket.

Do you not see the connection from A to C there?


anyways to cater to your idiocy. a tazer has a higher incapacitating rate than a bullet from a 9mm handgun you fuckin jackass beyond all belief.


Apparently a bullet did the job just fine, also....that why we use TWO bullets when the first one fails! OMFG WUT A CONCEPT!

I was serous about the not breeding part, if you already have, go ahead and castrate your kids please.

[Connecticaine]

either way the kid was dead wrong.

He should have known better and i dont feel bad if he was attempting to throw a molotov.

but the cop should have consequences because he could have handled it in a non lethal way, that is if greek officers carry tazers.

[Kin]

the 2 policemen say that they were attacked with bottles/rocks.
in the corner of the street that the whole thing happened, is a cafe, and several eye witnesses all over the news claimed that it was just a verbal incident, swearing and provoking from both sides.

Then they fired and left.


the kid was from a wealthy family, private school, etc.


thats whats on all the channels.


CONSPIRACY!!!

Sure as hell are people that become cops just to be power trippin bitches... But to shoot someone over words?
I see that as highly unlikely... In the middle of a crowded area?


Then again, The extent of stupidity of some people is endless.

[Fro]

either way the kid was dead wrong.

He should have known better and i dont feel bad if he was attempting to throw a molotov.

but the cop should have consequences because he could have handled it in a non lethal way, that is if greek officers carry tazers.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge. Sources are saying all kinds of different things, they're even disagreeing on the boys age.

[DR.NUMBERS]

CONSPIRACY!!!

Sure as hell are people that become cops just to be power trippin bitches... But to shoot someone over words?
I see that as highly unlikely... In the middle of a crowded area?


Then again, The extent of stupidity of some people is endless.

Quite so. I mean, if they really were just power tripping, surely they would get much more enjoyment by arresting him and making him spend a night in a cell...possibly with some harassment thrown in somewhere.

No, it makes no sense. They shot him for a reason. People don't do things that will get them fired/prosecuted unless:

1) They know they can get away with it. (Nope, spectators)

2) They have a valid reason. (DING DING DING)

I think the witnesses either:

1) Are part of the crowd that hates the authoritah!

2) Didn't see everything or didn't see clearly.

[Connecticaine]

O RLY!?!?! Because I can swear to god the top quote is you bitching about the police not using tazers, and the bottom quote is some stupid justification on the range of the tazer, further attempting to justify your compliaint of the police not using tazers.

Goldfish memory much?

Let me break it down for you, since you seem to be retarded.
A. You complain police should have used tazers, imply they are idiots for not.
B. Someone says tazer range sucks
C. You counter with some retarded argument of how cops used a tazer from 25 feet (as if you actually counted them LOL) to take down an unsuspecting man with a pat who was reaching into his pocket.

Do you not see the connection from A to C there?



Apparently a bullet did the job just fine.

Ok, again your reading comprehension fails. Yes in my previous post i stated they should have used tazers. And then was challenged with the range. I provided the range. I guess that quote wasnt good enough for you to post in this attack? its ok, if you omit what makes you wrong then you seem right.... right?

A) yes i think the training is poor for police officers and alot are idiots. especially the ones i've run into.
B)it doesnt suck and the whole point is a tazer would have been the right choice. Any further than 21 feet then the molotov wasnt an immediate threat. Especially since you lobing it is the best attack. Also on another note he never threw it, he was getting ready to use it, like when a suspect doesnt drop the knife and they tazer him.
C)I was stating that i have seen it first hand you dumbshit. And yes i know the exact distance because that was part of my job. had to allign stackbases according to the security devices near the door. First one was 26 feet and he was infront of it so...........
lol and they told him to get on the ground with the lazer pointed on his chest

guess that is unsuspecting.

anyways good effort for trolling.

once again go read a book you dumb fuck.

[alhazred]

I just think it's sad really, there are better ways to deal with someone attacking you than just shoot them, an ordinary person is one thing but police officers are bloody trained for this.

um lets see how eles do you stop a person trying to kill you???

[Connecticaine]

I wouldn't be so quick to judge. Sources are saying all kinds of different things, they're even disagreeing on the boys age.

well yes, im just basing my thoughts on the information given. if it is as it states, then i stand by my original statement. if information changes... then my view will probably too..

[Kin]

um lets see how eles do you stop a person trying to kill you???


Get that cool gun that shoots out a couple gallons of glue stuff that instantly freezes someone in place.


Damn practicality always getting in the way of these sweet inventions. :D

[Connecticaine]

um lets see how eles do you stop a person trying to kill you???

tazers.

[Fro]

um lets see how eles do you stop a person trying to kill you???

You honestly believe theo nly way to stop an attacker is to shoot them dead?

[Gruger]

Shocking

[alhazred]

Ok, again your reading comprehension fails. Yes in my previous post i stated they should have used tazers. And then was challenged with the range. I provided the range. I guess that quote wasnt good enough for you to post in this attack? its ok, if you omit what makes you wrong then you seem right.... right?

A) yes i think the training is poor for police officers and alot are idiots. especially the ones i've run into.
B)it doesnt suck and the whole point is a tazer would have been the right choice. Any further than 21 feet then the molotov wasnt an immediate threat. Especially since you lobing it is the best attack. Also on another note he never threw it, he was getting ready to use it, like when a suspect doesnt drop the knife and they tazer him.
C)I was stating that i have seen it first hand you dumbshit. And yes i know the exact distance because that was part of my job. had to allign stackbases according to the security devices near the door. First one was 26 feet and he was infront of it so...........
lol and they told him to get on the ground with the lazer pointed on his chest

guess that is unsuspecting.

anyways good effort for trolling.

once again go read a book you dumb fuck.

lol have you ever played with fire before
hell have you ever played baseball

you can hit a target at 25 yards with a molotov cockail not just 25 ft

the only tazers with that range are fired out of shotguns and are not issued to police officers

also look at the history of the arnarchist groups in athens they regualary attack people and firebomb buildings screaming that there should be no government yet some big brother should take care of all of them

the correct action was to fire and as far as police training go i dont know about athens but here is california a policeman is only allowed to fire his gun with the intent to kill so i would say he did his job right

also the police there i belive didnt have a tazer most cops dont carry them so in his situation what was he supposed to do

[Viare]

Its tragic the boy was shot, if he did have a cocktail then he definitley should of for seen the outcome of his actions. This is not really the police officers fault, it is the governments. I mean these cops need bean bag shotguns for scenarios just like this. One bean bag in the belly and BAM, the kid drops.

Also what kind of social conditions, both at home and school/ friends, have made this kid not consider the severe consequences of throw a fire bomb at some police officers.

This is a scenario where tazers would work to, i imagine if the kid is in throwing range then he's in tazer range. Hes young and strong a tazer isnt going stop his heart, just save his life in more ways than one when you think about it.

[alhazred]

tazers.

okay and for a man not carrying one

[alhazred]

Its tragic the boy was shot, if he did have a cocktail then he definitley should of for seen the outcome of his actions. This is not really the police officers fault, it is the governments. I mean these cops need bean bag shotguns for scenarios just like this. One bean bag in the belly and BAM, the kid drops.

Also what kind of social conditions, both at home and school/ friends, have made this kid not consider the severe consequences of throw a fire bomb at some police officers.

This is a scenario where tazers would work to, i imagine if the kid is in throwing range then he's in tazer range. Hes young and strong a tazer isnt going stop his heart, just save his life in more ways than one when you think about it.


you can throw way beyond tazer range

[Devant]

Every anarch killed is a step towards betterment of the human race.

[Connecticaine]

okay and for a man not carrying one

lol fair enough, but in here i think we are talking about a police officer.

of course i still dont know if greek cops carry tazers. if not they should

[alhazred]

lol fair enough, but in here i think we are talking about a police officer.

of course i still dont know if greek cops carry tazers. if not they should

i dont think they do tazer are usually carried by groups who deal mostly with less than lethal force the only thing most cops carry on that level is pepper spray and a baton

plus the tazer may still have been out of range i can underhand toss somthing the weight of a molotove cocktail over 25 ft

so if you think they should have used tazers with that range i would agree with you but those are expencive and heavy
http://www.taser.com/PRODUCTS/LAW/Pages/XREP.aspx

[Connecticaine]

lol have you ever played with fire before
hell have you ever played baseball

you can hit a target at 25 yards with a molotov cockail not just 25 ft

the only tazers with that range are fired out of shotguns and are not issued to police officers

also look at the history of the arnarchist groups in athens they regualary attack people and firebomb buildings screaming that there should be no government yet some big brother should take care of all of them

the correct action was to fire and as far as police training go i dont know about athens but here is california a policeman is only allowed to fire his gun with the intent to kill so i would say he did his job right

also the police there i belive didnt have a tazer most cops dont carry them so in his situation what was he supposed to do

Standard police issued tazors are 21 feet, not shotgun style.

You dont throw a molotov like a baseball or you will cause it to burn either yourself or explode in mid air.

its not a grenade.

[Bissen]

you can hit a target at 25 yards with a molotov cockail not just 25 ft

You can. But trust me. 25 yards with a bottle half full of air, half full of gasoline ain't as easy as you think. This ain't a leather bound airtight hardball your throwing.

And trust me on the "trust me" part.

[Connecticaine]

i dont think they do tazer are usually carried by groups who deal mostly with less than lethal force the only thing most cops carry on that level is pepper spray and a baton

plus the tazer may still have been out of range i can underhand toss somthing the weight of a molotove cocktail over 25 ft

so if you think they should have used tazers with that range i would agree with you but those are expencive and heavy
http://www.taser.com/PRODUCTS/LAW/Pages/XREP.aspx

well i guess everywhere is different, almost every cop in the past few years i've seen has a tazor on his utility belt.

[Bissen]

Every anarch killed is a step towards betterment of the human race.

The jews said something similar just before they were taken to Birgenau.

Actually scratch that. Anarchists suck. But police states sucks just as much.

[alhazred]

http://www.taser.com/pages/VideoDetails.aspx?videoid=61

[KoMM]

Every anarch killed is a step towards betterment of the human race.

Hail democracy


edit : greek cops dont have tazers. I ve never had any problems with the law though, so i dont know 100% :P

[Connecticaine]

http://www.taser.com/pages/VideoDetails.aspx?videoid=61

that shit is so sick. i want one. every cop should have one

[alhazred]

http://www.taser.com/pages/VideoDetails.aspx?videoid=61

okay i want one of these

hmm it looks like you can get an attachement to put a tazer on a picatinny rail so you could mount a tazer on your pistol or rifle

[Connecticaine]

secret to gun control is tazers?

[DR.NUMBERS]

http://www.taser.com/pages/VideoDetails.aspx?videoid=61

okay i want one of these

hmm it looks like you can get an attachement to put a tazer on a picatinny rail so you could mount a tazer on your pistol or rifle

Probably illegal in Kalifornia :(

[Jezrith]

I just think it's sad really, there are better ways to deal with someone attacking you than just shoot them.

No there isn't.

[FivosRazor1]

Good for the police. If anyone was trying to throw a form of molotov at me, I would shoot them.

that's bullshit.they were throwing rocks not molotov.but now i hope they throw as many molotov as they can.If I could I would be with them.

[Niles]

that's bullshit.they were throwing rocks not molotov.but now i hope they throw as many molotov as they can.If I could I would be with them.

Idiot, real men use axes.

[FivosRazor1]

Every anarch killed is a step towards betterment of the human race.

what's wrong are you with the "Golden Eggs"?If you know what I am saying...Asshole.

[Viare]

Here in Canada I just saw a news feed looks pretty fubar over there. But apparently the kid didnt have a molotov and was just throwing rocks, which the police officer deemed a immediate threat to his life and those around him.. pulled out his gun and shot the kid in the belly... isnt that fucked up! ! ! ! !

I dont see why people have to riot though, OBVIOUSLY theres going to be an investigation and the cop is gona get put in jail. The people rioting are just using that poor kids death as an excuse to go smash and bash other peoples things.

I would smash the cop, and I would smash a rioter

[Niles]

Rocks, cocktails, he's still attacking and should be shot.

[Viare]

Rocks, cocktails, he's still attacking and should be shot.

So says the sheep

I dont know how you do things in Your country but over here in Canada a 15 year old child throwing a rock at a cop does NOT warrant death or extreme injury from a bullet.

Maybe some community service, a fine, or if your over 18 - Assaulting a police officer charge, which is a pretty serious one. But never would it earn you a bullet.

[Niles]

So says the sheep

I dont know how you do things in Your country but over here in Canada a 15 year old child throwing a rock at a cop does NOT warrant death or extreme injury from a bullet.

Maybe some community service, a fine, or if your over 18 - Assaulting a police officer charge, which is a pretty serious one. But never would it earn you a bullet.

Dude, we don't even put people in jail.

[Viare]

We do but with short jail sentences similar to the british system.

bottom line

Cop was a coward

Kid shouldnt of been throwing rocks at police officers

They need an alternate weapon other than guns (tazers, bean bag guns)

Unless the cop was a complete and utter pussy im sure he could approach those kids even when being pelted by rocks and launch a tazer into one of there chests... i mean there 15! With Rocks! and your a cop with a kevlar vest and a tazer/ Batton. Id lynch those kids pretty good with my batton but shoot? thats just crazy