Police shot a boy in Athens, riots occurred

[KoMM]

OBVIOUSLY theres going to be an investigation and the cop is gona get put in jail

unfortunately thats not the way things work in greece in such scandals -most of the time-

[Viare]

you guys riot alot - if your systems not working. Try voting

if your systems still not working - become the solution and run for government.

[Ceneko]

Hai Jathen, tried flaming me through private message yet because you can't find a way to troll me? Oh right you can't! Lololololol!11111

Also, as a matter of fact I have sparred, you just failed to pay attention to what I said which is why I put you on ignore, the UK government also classifies any and all martial artists green belt and above by law so I wasn't just bragging also you don't get the irony in my posts.

Of course I COULD come out and say that your style is nothing more than a sport that follows rules where you can't attack any vital points and have to use headgear and gloves which would mean all your sparring would be moot because your training would only restrict you to attacking certain areas of a person wheras they could attack you anywhere they like but then that would just lower me to your level of pettiness.

Mate, Fist < Petrol Bomb < Bullet.
If your logic states that the answer to flying burning death is not something that kills faster, you'd die. And you may have all the training you claim to have, but unless your dojo practiced dodging burning liquid, I'd say that your expertise on how the cop should have reacted is just as non-existant as that of the rest of us.

And one things for sure, when someone throws a molotov cocktail your way for no real reason other than the fact that your job just happened to be keeping other people safe, anyone with some common sense would rather be seen as a bad man than a dead man.

[Madrandomize]

For anyone in greece that wants to get informed about the subject

http://prezatv.blogspot.com/

is a good blog to start getting some info imo.

[heroshade]

We do but with short jail sentences similar to the british system.

bottom line

Cop was a coward

Kid shouldnt of been throwing rocks at police officers

They need an alternate weapon other than guns (tazers, bean bag guns)

Unless the cop was a complete and utter pussy im sure he could approach those kids even when being pelted by rocks and launch a tazer into one of there chests... i mean there 15! With Rocks! and your a cop with a kevlar vest and a tazer/ Batton. Id lynch those kids pretty good with my batton but shoot? thats just crazy
If they tazed him, his muscles would release, he would drop the petrol bomb, and he would be burned and electrified to death. Whats that say about your tazer now Mr. Humane?

[IthroZada]

If they tazed him, his muscles would release, he would drop the petrol bomb, and he would be burned and electrified to death. Whats that say about your tazer now Mr. Humane?

I think Mr. Humane deserves a medal for coming up with an even more brutal death!

[Cuelda]

Lot's of misinformation in this thread

There were no petrol bombs.
I was nowhere near the event and the picture certainly isn't clear but this is my understanding of the series of events and someone correct me if I am wrong:

-Police car drives by the kids and they throw an EMPTY bear bottle at the car.
-The car stops, the officers get out and walk back to meet the kids.
-The kids swear at the cops (no throwing of any objects occurred)
-Our protagonist somehow has a vision of him lying in a hospital with his wife and kids over him (or that's what he stated).
-And then has the brilliant idea to take out his gun, aim carefully at the kid and shoot twice. (direct shot, not an accident)

There is a video of the event, you can hardly see anything but in the middle you can hear the shots fired
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwJZHcMolUA

By the way Greek cops don't use tasers as fas as I know, just traditional clubs and LOTS of teargases.

[Viare]

If they tazed him, his muscles would release, he would drop the petrol bomb, and he would be burned and electrified to death. Whats that say about your tazer now Mr. Humane?

already thought about that but then just assumed that if he did have his moltov when the cop shot him then the same thing would of happened.

[Niles]

So it was also night? The kid deserves it even more now.

[Spart]

Lot's of misinformation in this thread

There were no petrol bombs.
I was nowhere near the event and the picture certainly isn't clear but this is my understanding of the series of events and someone correct me if I am wrong:

-Police car drives by the kids and they throw an EMPTY bear bottle at the car.
-The car stops, the officers get out and walk back to meet the kids.
-The kids swear at the cops (no throwing of any objects occurred)
-Our protagonist somehow has a vision of him lying in a hospital with his wife and kids over him (or that's what he stated).
-And then has the brilliant idea to take out his gun, aim carefully at the kid and shoot twice. (direct shot, not an accident)

There is a video of the event, you can hardly see anything but in the middle you can hear the shots fired
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwJZHcMolUA

By the way Greek cops don't use tasers as fas as I know, just traditional clubs and LOTS of teargases.

Yes, your opinion means a lot. You specifically stated you weren't near to the event, then went on to make up some bullshit about it. Well, since you weren't close enough to know why it happened, then obviously my opinion means the same as yours. So, heres what happened, from my point of view.
1. Idiot teenagers throw rocks at police, because they think it's funny, and probably because they hate the police for one reason or another.
2. One idiot who has seen too many movies thinks to throw a molotov at the police.
3. Police aren't that keen on dying, so they kill the kid, thus saving their own lives.

And there you have it, my version of the events, which has just as much credibility as your own. None.

Anyway, to the genius who thinks rocks don't mean anything, they can kill people. It's not even like it's a one in a million shot, it can happen rather easily.

[Cuelda]

It's called news, and statements of eye witnesses, they might as well be full of shit, I am just quoting ...

Anyway it's 2:30 AM over here so I am not responding to a flame war (no pun intended)
Goodnight

[Uilamin]

well rocks can be deadly as well, i mean stoning to death used to be a punishment a form on execution. Throwing it at a moving vehicle could also cause the vheicle to loose control and cause increased damage (if it hits the driver). So really the cops should not of even left their vehicle, they should of just shot the kids from the vehicle (in a non-fatal location) and then arrested them once neutralized.

[Layedballer]

Yes, your opinion means a lot. You specifically stated you weren't near to the event, then went on to make up some bullshit about it. Well, since you weren't close enough to know why it happened, then obviously my opinion means the same as yours. So, heres what happened, from my point of view.
1. Idiot teenagers throw rocks at police, because they think it's funny, and probably because they hate the police for one reason or another.
2. One idiot who has seen too many movies thinks to throw a molotov at the police.
3. Police aren't that keen on dying, so they kill the kid, thus saving their own lives.

And there you have it, my version of the events, which has just as much credibility as your own. None.

Anyway, to the genius who thinks rocks don't mean anything, they can kill people. It's not even like it's a one in a million shot, it can happen rather easily.

At this point there's too many people reporting different things. As of now news sites have reported everything from the boy merely exhanging words to him attempting to toss a molotov at them. Though I have heard the Greek government arrested 2 police officers in an attempt to quell riots.
That being said, until more solid evidence comes out we should discuss this thread.

To those asking for the underlying reasons. Greece has what many consider a fascist government, while the people themselves have strong antifa veins. Therefore when you have two very conflicting sides(opposite in fact) you get riots
Also, you seem to get riots every year in Greece, though this is the worst in some time they're reporting

[Spart]

At this point there's too many people reporting different things. As of now news sites have reported everything from the boy merely exhanging words to him attempting to toss a molotov at them. Though I have heard the Greek government arrested 2 police officers in an attempt to quell riots.
That being said, until more solid evidence comes out we should discuss this thread.

To those asking for the underlying reasons. Greece has what many consider a fascist government, while the people themselves have strong antifa veins. Therefore when you have two very conflicting sides(opposite in fact) you get riots
Also, you seem to get riots every year in Greece, though this is the worst in some time they're reporting

Wait, seriously?

Anyway, I doubt they were arrested as such, there is probably an investigation going on into what really happened, and I'm willing to bet it will subtly blame the police officers, but also state that under the circumstances (that evidence can prove) their actions were justified, and so they won't lose their jobs.

[KoMM]

Also, you seem to get riots every year in Greece, though this is the worst in some time they're reporting

the worst in the last 10 years at least.all over greece :S
Wait, seriously?

Anyway, I doubt they were arrested as such, there is probably an investigation going on into what really happened, and I'm willing to bet it will subtly blame the police officers, but also state that under the circumstances (that evidence can prove) their actions were justified, and so they won't lose their jobs.

i m willing to bet that they ll lose their jobs and go to jail.

[Spart]

the worst in the last 10 years at least.all over greece :S


i m willing to bet that they ll lose their jobs and go to jail.

Not likely. Those police are a part of the government, so if they did get convicted, the government would look bad because of it.

[KoMM]

Not likely. Those police are a part of the government, so if they did get convicted, the government would look bad because of it.

if they dont get punished the government will look bad .

[Spart]

if they dont get punished the government will look bad.

Ohh, I thought I was arguing with someone who wasn't completely biased. Or at least, was intelligent enough to cover it up.

You just decided what the investigation is going to find out. What if we find that the police did appear to be in mortal danger? Of course, we should punish them for defending their lives.

I guess you're a perfect example of the people who are involved in the riots. Without looking at what has happened, you condemned people, and have gone out for your own justice.

Never let facts and understanding obscure your own beliefs, right?

[Devant]

what's wrong are you with the "Golden Eggs"?If you know what I am saying...Asshole.

I would rather say "Golden Dawn", anarch swine.

EDIT: Actually, there is nothing wrong. You swines try to destroy everything, and we try to destroy you. But it has been proven that you manage to demolish yourselves better than we do to you.

[Layedballer]

Wait, seriously?

Anyway, I doubt they were arrested as such, there is probably an investigation going on into what really happened, and I'm willing to bet it will subtly blame the police officers, but also state that under the circumstances (that evidence can prove) their actions were justified, and so they won't lose their jobs.
I should rephrase, they government is not a fascist one, however many of the things they do go against the people(banning hand held games or whatever it was) take al this with a grain of salt, I'm merely an outsider looking in.

More reports are coming in that claim the kid/man did not throw or attempt to throw molotovs.
Not likely. Those police are a part of the government, so if they did get convicted, the government would look bad because of it.

What you have to realize is, not all governments do the same. I could very well see the gov. of Athens locking up 2 officers in order to quell riots. To these people rioting, the gov looks bad either way, why not lock up 2 people so you don't have to deal with the rest?

[Spart]

What you have to realize is, not all governments do the same. I could very well see the gov. of Athens locking up 2 officers in order to quell riots. To these people rioting, the gov looks bad either way, why not lock up 2 people so you don't have to deal with the rest?

Yea, I can understand that. However, seeing as people have said there are riots quite a lot there, I don't think they would want to admit any fault on their part. If it was just a one time thing, the government could say yes, they shouldn't have done that, and then the people would have been annoyed with them, but would have let it go. However, with lots of riots, if they say it was the officers fault, then the next time they are rioting this will be brought up again to say why the government is so bad.

[KoMM]

Ohh, I thought I was arguing with someone who wasn't completely biased. Or at least, was intelligent enough to cover it up.

You just decided what the investigation is going to find out. What if we find that the police did appear to be in mortal danger? Of course, we should punish them for defending their lives.

I guess you're a perfect example of the people who are involved in the riots. Without looking at what has happened, you condemned people, and have gone out for your own justice.

Never let facts and understanding obscure your own beliefs, right?

errr, right. You do understand that its on the news 24/7 and possibly i know a little bit more about you, right ?:confused::confused::confused:

[Darknight125]

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24763259-663,00.html (/0,21985,24763259-663,00.html)



God bless Aventurine and people on the whole. :(

this is bullshit here the true story,the boy that killed was 15years old and he was about to go with a friend to exarchia at a club with a group of 5-7 people
when they get there there were all in panic as there were a riot going on and thousands of swats at the streets,the policeman saw him and he though he was one of the anarchic and tried to arrest him the boy started to pelting the policeman with stones than the policeman took out the gun and he shoot twice first one in stomach and the second at head this is the truth

[Darknight125]

here are more details:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.in.gr%2Fnew s%2Farticle.asp%3FlngEntityID%3D965558%2 6lngDtrID%3D244&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=el&tl=en

[Darknight125]

Yes, your opinion means a lot. You specifically stated you weren't near to the event, then went on to make up some bullshit about it. Well, since you weren't close enough to know why it happened, then obviously my opinion means the same as yours. So, heres what happened, from my point of view.
1. Idiot teenagers throw rocks at police, because they think it's funny, and probably because they hate the police for one reason or another.
2. One idiot who has seen too many movies thinks to throw a molotov at the police.
3. Police aren't that keen on dying, so they kill the kid, thus saving their own lives.

And there you have it, my version of the events, which has just as much credibility as your own. None.

Anyway, to the genius who thinks rocks don't mean anything, they can kill people. It's not even like it's a one in a million shot, it can happen rather easily.

tell me something if he was your son what would you do?And they were no rocks involved for god shake the policeman shoot him and he wasn't defending he attacked

[MinusInnocence]

the boy started to pelting the policeman with stonesAnd they were no rocks involved for god shakeIf you're going to troll, at least try to make your contributions to the thread internally consistent. It took less than 30 minutes for you to contradict yourself and no one was even posting anything else in the interim.

[DR.NUMBERS]

If you're going to troll, at least try to make your contributions to the thread internally consistent. It took less than 30 minutes for you to contradict yourself and no one was even posting anything else in the interim.

Lolworthy post.

[Eskareon]

Hey look, angry and ignorant juveniles rebelling against authority. What an original concept.

Oh, and look, people listening to rumors spread by said angry, ignorant juveniles and then repeating those rumors as truths. Original, totally.

[NapalmEnema]

This folks, is why you don't throw rocks at a guy with a gun.

[Ziegler]

This folks, is why you don't throw rocks at a guy with a gun.

And let that be a lesson to ya.


Is this elgible for a Darwin Award?