What phone would you recommend?

[Bloody blade]

I am asking for a new phone for christmas from my parents, and i was just wondering what forumfall would recommend.

I was thinking the iphone or the new blackberry, but i am open to new options.

[Viluin]

Personally, the perfect phone for me is the Sony Ericsson W902. It has everything you could possibly wish for, and it's not cumbersome and annoying like one of those touch-screen phones. Trust me, the iPhone touch screen gets old fast.

[Shiva-PIC]

Who is your current cell phone provider? Are you willing to switch to a new provider?

[Bloody blade]

Who is your current cell phone provider? Are you willing to switch to a new provider?

I currently have t-mobile (i hate it) but i might switch providers. But for now just through some names out there.

[Bombay1361]

I currently have t-mobile (i hate it) but i might switch providers. But for now just through some names out there.
wow that really sucks, you should switch to verizon or at&t.

[Bloody blade]

wow that really sucks, you should switch to verizon or at&t.

It does suck

[NapalmEnema]

I am asking for a new phone for christmas from my parents, and i was just wondering what forumfall would recommend.

I was thinking the iphone or the new blackberry, but i am open to new options.

The HTC Touch Pro is the best all around phone I have ever had or used.

It's better than the Iphone by miles, and the blackberry as well imo.

Do a search for my posts, we had it out about 'best phones' today and I listed most of it's better features and how it trumps the Iphone.

Seriously, it's a great phone with a ton of features and is a treat to use.

[Shiva-PIC]

I've got Verizon and I use the Voyager:
http://reviews.cnet.com/cell-phones/lg-voyager-vx10000-verizon/4505-6454_7-32640927.html
You can get it for about $150 I think if you sign up for a new contract

I'd also recommend the env2 from Verizon. A couple of my friends have this phone and it's pretty nice and little less expensive than the Voyager
http://reviews.cnet.com/cell-phones/lg-env-2-black/4505-6454_7-32924915.html

[Lioness]

iPhone or Instinct.

No-brainer.

[NapalmEnema]

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=86332

Here is the thread in question.

I'm not saying the blackberry isn't good, but I think, after using a wide variety of phones, that the HTC Touch is the clear winner. Also it's 99/month for unlimited everything and it's through Sprint so you will actually have a signal in most places unlike t-mobile.

[ejnomad07]

Personally I love my Dare. :cool:

[Ankh]

Any phone with a full, propery laid out keyboard, like the Touch Pro.

[Xtra-Medium]

helio ocean

[Rathynas]

iPhone. I only have an iPod Touch, but it's awesome as it is. Mobile capabilities would triple its awesomity.

[Galadrist]

iPhone or Instinct.

No-brainer.

iPhone is overrated. The new touchscreen model by Samsung is much better.

[nathanpinard]

I currently have t-mobile (i hate it) but i might switch providers. But for now just through some names out there.

Make sure your not under contract to avoid any ETF's.

[Bloody blade]

The HTC Touch Pro is the best all around phone I have ever had or used.

It's better than the Iphone by miles, and the blackberry as well imo.

Do a search for my posts, we had it out about 'best phones' today and I listed most of it's better features and how it trumps the Iphone.

Seriously, it's a great phone with a ton of features and is a treat to use.

How is sprint though? The phone looks great.

EDIT: Is sprint international

[NapalmEnema]

How is sprint though? The phone looks great.

EDIT: Is sprint international

Sprint is great but that's here in the states. Dunno about international though.

It's a great phone imo. Had it about a month no regrets.

[Bloody blade]

Sprint is great but that's here in the states. Dunno about international though.

It's a great phone imo. Had it about a month no regrets.

Even if i don't use my phone for business, would you still recommend it?

[NapalmEnema]

Even if i don't use my phone for business, would you still recommend it?

Without a doubt.

It's got all the cool gadgets you want, can handle multiple e-mail accounts, has great web surfing if you're into facebook etc.. It's decent fast too not shit. It has a great camera, a cool LED light to take pics at night or just see where the fuck you are going.

Has MP3 support etc. and comes with some good headphones, and a slick interface.

Text messaging is a breeze you can even draw notes and shit on it.
It's a badass phone man, business or no it rocks either way imo.

[Methos43]

this (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/10/10/nokia_aeon_concept_phone/)

Its just a concept tho.

still.. its awesome.

[Cortanya]

I'll second the HTC Touch Pro.

I have a Google G1, which has very similar hardware, just the Android OS instead of Winmo 6.1. I was looking at both, but I ended up with the G1 because the tmobile plan was cheaper for my needs, and I've never had a problem with their signal.

Sprint has a larger 3G coverage area, and the unlimited $99 plan.

Compared to other similar phones:

- My friend had an Instinct. It has lower hardware specs than the HTC, causing it to interface-lag occasionally and its browser isn't as good.

- Ignoring the idiotic trendster Apple kool-aid drinkers, the Iphone is actually pretty good phone. The HTC just has more features: physical keyboard, MMS, cut and paste, a better camera, zoom, flash, video recording, flash (software) support if you get Skyfire, etc. You can also tether your phone.
The Iphone does have a slightly snappier interface, and also a simpler UI. But it's not like the Touch Pro is annoyingly laggy, and the UI is not overly complex (except for dumb Apple-only fanboys).

- Compared to the Google G1, the Touch Pro comes with video recording and flash support out of the box. It's a more "complete" phone from the start, whereas G1 owners are waiting for Google or 3rd party developers to add functionality to the phone.
If you're looking for a "geek phone", the G1 has more modability - if don't install the root console patch, you can run Debian on your phone! What the use the average user has for that I have no idea.
If you just want to use your phone without tinkering, the Touch Pro also has 2 physical advantages that can't be modded, it has a 4x camera zoom and camera flash. Both are from the same manufacturer, so they're almost the same, other than OS.

- I've never held a Blackberry Storm, so I can't comment.

How is sprint though? The phone looks great.

EDIT: Is sprint international


You just can't use a Sprint phone internationally. Sprint uses CDMA, so it won't be compatible with GSM frequency bands commonly used in just about every other country.

[Hardlinemonk]

my gf just got a sick tmobile phone (they actually made one!)

qwerty keyboard for nice texting, cool looks and slider what more do you need?

called the gravity made by samsung

http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones/Cell-Phone-Detail.aspx?cell-phone=Samsung-Gravity-Aqua thats the blue one and

http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones/Cell-Phone-Detail.aspx?cell-phone=Samsung-t459-Lime lime and black

[Corwen]

The HTC Touch Pro is the best all around phone I have ever had or used.

It's better than the Iphone by miles, and the blackberry as well imo.

Do a search for my posts, we had it out about 'best phones' today and I listed most of it's better features and how it trumps the Iphone.

Seriously, it's a great phone with a ton of features and is a treat to use.

And also comes with a pricetag that will haunt you for years to come, get it today!

[Vessol]

This is what I use.

http://www.andysavage.net/media/images/old%20phone.jpg

Gets all the ladies wet.

[Shadun]

If you plan on putting an BREW or java games on your phone, do not get the Env2. I didn't know until 2-3 weeks after I got mine that those Verizon Nazis blocked the support of such custom games, forcing you to pay money for the games they offer on their website.

If you want it for texting or music though, it's great. I bought a 4gb sd card and loaded that bitch up with playlists. The speakers are loud and sound good.

[emasame]

get a hamburger phone.

[Saiith]

I just got a chocolate 3... it's pretty pimp:

http://reviews.cnet.com/cell-phones/lg-chocolate-3-black/4505-6454_7-33070216.html

[Kraven]

blackberries are for people with jobs... get an iphone and submit to your corporate masters

[Dragonfly]

I have the Moto Q. I play SNES on it. It's ok, but I wish I would have researched it a little more so I could play PSP games via emulation.

[Viluin]

Wtf, you're all gay with your touch screen phones.

http://www.avecmobile.com/index.php?id=1137

This is the perfect phone. Don't listen to that reviewer's opinion, he's a retard. Headphone port on the side = best idea ever for a music phone, you'll love it when it's in your pocket. It also has one of the best cameras you'll ever find on a phone, it rivals decent digital cameras. And it has a good web browser. What else could you want from a phone?

EDIT: Oh, and it comes with very high-quality in-ear buds.

[NapalmEnema]

And also comes with a pricetag that will haunt you for years to come, get it today!

Meh, my company bought it so I dunno. But I do know that it is on special with purchased plans for like 200?

Not like the Iphone is much cheaper, which is the main phone I was comparing it to...

[Skraeck]

samsung omnia. lots of sweet features like making a wi fi lan for you laptop, that one is a custom application you can download for it. also got nice battery for youtubing your life away

[Derid]

Sprint has by far the best deals on plans/data at the moment, as long as they cover your area you should be fine. Att has a shitty network, and are shady.. Verizon is shady but has a great network and is expensive... Sprint has soso network but they want more customers so they have awesome deals at the moment.

Out of the Sprint phones, if you goto Wirefly.com the 2 phones I saw there worth a shit are:

Blackberry Curve 8330 - free phone with new plan. Trust me, the phone is great, best "2nd gen" smartphone by far. Yes, there are better phones now - but not free with a plan, get free phone that is a joy to type on and does stereo bluetooth and has great audio quality (both mp3 and call) Great work phone, very usable media phone. Plays video well, but screen a little small to want to watch a whole lot of movies on it.

HTC Touch Diamond - If you wanna pay extra for a phone, and value media over typing this is the best Sprint phone. Awesome screen, fast CPU, good overall quality. Has WiFi built in, also supports stereo bluetooth headsets. Downside is you can easily drain the battery quickly especially playing video with bluetooth. Touch screen keyboard kinda sucks if you have to type a lot. Not a great, but a usable, work phone. Great portable media player phone. Just keep charger/spare batteries handy.

[Bloody blade]

So far the HTC touch pro seems to be my favorite phone so far, but i need an international service.

[Viluin]

So far the HTC touch pro seems to be my favorite phone so far, but i need an international service.

Have you ever used a phone with a touch screen for a long period of time? If not, then don't buy one because there's a good chance you'll hate it. It's pretty cool for the first few days, but then you realize certain simple tasks are overly complicated because of the screen.

[Bloody blade]

Have you ever used a phone with a touch screen for a long period of time? If not, then don't buy one because there's a good chance you'll hate it. It's pretty cool for the first few days, but then you realize certain simple tasks are overly complicated because of the screen.

I have the razor right now, and i was looking at the G1 today, and it seems that the G1 is easier to do simple tasks like text and call my friends than the razor.

[Fruitbasket]

Never dare to get the palm centro. You can't turn the fucking thing off! God, why did I pick it!

[Feyrband]

I have the razor right now, and i was looking at the G1 today, and it seems that the G1 is easier to do simple tasks like text and call my friends than the razor.

well if you have a razor right now just get anything, quality is obviously not really a requirement.

[NapalmEnema]

Have you ever used a phone with a touch screen for a long period of time? If not, then don't buy one because there's a good chance you'll hate it. It's pretty cool for the first few days, but then you realize certain simple tasks are overly complicated because of the screen.

The HTC Touch Pro has touch capable screen, but it's got a full qwerty keyboard in it. It has all the features of 'touch screen' without all of the negatives associated with it.

I hated the fucking IPhone.

[Nicanor]

I used to work for At&t our center closed down about 6 months ago (I live in Canada and they want to move jobs back to the USA/pay less money for customer service because of the exchange rate)

If your techie go for something that has windows mobile


You can make it look and work like the iphone (except for the gyro in it)
There's soo much free stuff
You can do just about anything on it.
You can even access your computer from your phone.
I've run programs that are similar to Photoshop, 3d modeling blender, Microsoft Office (granted you can only open a file smaller in size than the allowed memory)
Games Games Games......
The menu structure is similar to your PC
Some people have experienced freezing with windows *giggles* mobile



The iphone (3g) isn't bad

I've thought of going to the iphone
I'm not a fan of apple's proprietary batteries and software ect ect. (like if your batteries die *like they often do* you have to send it back to apple to have them replaced
Last time I checked they are not insurable (At&t covered every device but this one, *6 months ago)
I'd soo cry if I dropped my iphone on the ground and the screen cracked into a million pieces :(
You can take pictures but not record video (without an app) 2MP camera ick
*feels Apple is greedy


Crackberry

Use this if you don't want a touch screen
(there is the new one out there with the touch screen, consumers forced them in that direction. If you want a touch screen go with an iphone or Windows based PDA. I wouldn't purchase their first phone with touchscreen, wait for the second)
Expect to spend a while learning the menu's it's not as easy as other phones.
If you want to travel internationally don't use them (I used to work International support too)
They are not secure all information goes through blackberry's server, The french originally designed the encryption (apparently) and they refuse to let their government officials to use them.


Non- PDA phones


I own and love my Sony Errisson W580i (but it's starting to feel like a dinosaur)
(It took a while to get used to the slider, and having the screen on the outside. But I like it the camera is pretty good higher res than the iphone.)
If you want just a regular phone find the latest and greatest




Overall:

Research Research Research (online reviews will always be mixed but it can be a good place to learn about the problems other people have had)
Compare it to other phones, what features does it have, what do you plan on using it for (mp3 player, camera, office, fun, pedometer(seriously!), radio, internet, ect ect), what is the battery life.....what is the actual battery life lol, screen size, do you carry it in a pocket purse, will a phone with an external screen be damaged?
Don't believe what the rep tells you in the store or over the phone. Sometimes they are on commission, and they also have lists of things they can/can't say or they fail "quality monitoring" If you think they are lying or telling half truths get it in writing, then confirm elsewhere
Don't expect them to tell you what is wrong with the design or any downsides of the device or service. Some won't know, others won't care.
Do not buy a refurbished device ... ever. It wasn't good enough the first time, don't think it's going to be better the second time. (We were supposed to say they're great and just like new. Refer to above two bullets)
Expect to shell out a bit of cash. Don't go for the free phones. They are free for a reason. Many times this is because they are older designs/software, other times is because the company you're buying them from might be finding it hard to have anybody take them off their hands. If a deal is too good to be true, it probably is.


I hope this was helpful!


** Sorry for such an epic post, I spent 4 years working for At&t so I have a lot to say about misconceptions people have about phones

[AmonDominus]

Nicanor, you are a maniac.

I'd recommend anything from the Nokia business models. They work like a charm and never break.

iPhone and whatever is terribly overrated.

[Bombay1361]

Sprint has by far the best deals on plans/data at the moment, as long as they cover your area you should be fine. Att has a shitty network, and are shady.. Verizon is shady but has a great network and is expensive... Sprint has soso network but they want more customers so they have awesome deals at the moment.

Out of the Sprint phones, if you goto Wirefly.com the 2 phones I saw there worth a shit are:

Blackberry Curve 8330 - free phone with new plan. Trust me, the phone is great, best "2nd gen" smartphone by far. Yes, there are better phones now - but not free with a plan, get free phone that is a joy to type on and does stereo bluetooth and has great audio quality (both mp3 and call) Great work phone, very usable media phone. Plays video well, but screen a little small to want to watch a whole lot of movies on it.

HTC Touch Diamond - If you wanna pay extra for a phone, and value media over typing this is the best Sprint phone. Awesome screen, fast CPU, good overall quality. Has WiFi built in, also supports stereo bluetooth headsets. Downside is you can easily drain the battery quickly especially playing video with bluetooth. Touch screen keyboard kinda sucks if you have to type a lot. Not a great, but a usable, work phone. Great portable media player phone. Just keep charger/spare batteries handy.

I heard from a lot people that AT&T is great, ever since they acquired a recent company, forget who. I know that I am switching over to them because it is a lot cheaper then our current verizon plan, my parents get a discount through the state.

[Mushukyou]

I am asking for a new phone for christmas from my parents, and i was just wondering what forumfall would recommend.

I was thinking the iphone or the new blackberry, but i am open to new options.

iPhone 3g, 16gig version.
Jailbreak it, and you'll be in heaven.

One doofus earlier said that iphones are "overrated". That's bullshit.
I have had mine for months, and unlike all the other phones I've had, I'm always finding something new I love about it. Why? Because of the user-created apps for it. Jailbreaking it gives you access to shit that is yet to hit the app store, or will never hit the app store... plus it gives you more abilities.

It's just endless fun, endless games, everything. iPhone is like carrying around a miniature arcade and laptop. You can't do all those things with a stupid blackberry or nokia.

Movies, music, podcasts, games, so many applications and uses.
Don't let anyone talk you out of an iPhone. They own. Nobody can argue against it, unless you get someone who says: "I don't need all those things...".. well then, let them have their rotary phone.

Hell today I just went fishing on my iphone, and used the tilt feature to cast and reel in my fish. That's trivial, but it's just one small aspect that demonstrates the fact that there are so many things you can do with it.

[Revolver777]

I love my HTC PPC-6800 ( I heard the 6900s are amazing ). You should check it out.
If you're handy whatsoever with software windows mobile is amazing because of its versatility.
My advice for you is to do a little research, I started looking at PDA phones because I wanted something that would be able to do a lot of different things and with my phone I've found so much software for it that I absolutely love it (and it didn't cost me a cent for all of them). I also wanted a phone with an actual qwerty keyboard instead of an on screen one because I can't stand typing on an on screen keyboards since it slows me down so much compared to having a physical keyboard to type on and I found the HTC PPC-6800 which fit the bill.

On a side note:
To all the apple cultists here... My phone can copy and paste, can yours?

Also, I don't have to pay for any apps and can get every app that comes out on an Iphone plus many MANY more... My most recent program that I downloaded lets me connect to my desktop at home and watch live TV on my phone. Great for killing time on the go, especially on the road.

[Nicanor]

iPhone 3g, 16gig version.
Jailbreak it, and you'll be in heaven.


"Jailbreaking" it is not a good idea, for every update you must "Jailbreak" it again. The iphone requires APNs specific to the iphone (This is based on the exact feature you have in At&t's system, Blackberries have specific APNs too) and visual voicemail requires the iphone feature. Your phone can't fully function. Please don't do this unless you really know what you are doing. You could brick your new present and Apple will not help you. The Iphone data plan is actually cheaper than PDA plans it's your best deal. (*as of 6 months ago, is probably still the case now)

If you do plan on "Jailbreaking" to use it on the At&t network your nuts. If it's for another company go for it, but it wouldn't work fully. Ask for a PDA plan (not blackberry, or regular phone data plan).

[Mushukyou]

I love my HTC PPC-6800 ( I heard the 6900s are amazing ). You should check it out.
If you're handy whatsoever with software windows mobile is amazing because of its versatility.

iPhone can do more.

My advice for you is to do a little research,

...and you'll find the iPhone is better.

On a side note:
To all the apple cultists here... My phone can copy and paste, can yours?

A little app install, and yup.

Also, I don't have to pay for any apps and can get every app that comes out on an Iphone plus many MANY more...

I can get all apps free too.
iPhone has more functionality than a Windows CE phone, so no, not more apps.

My most recent program that I downloaded lets me connect to my desktop at home and watch live TV on my phone. Great for killing time on the go, especially on the road.

iPhone has that too.

"Jailbreaking" it is not a good idea, for every update you must "Jailbreak" it again.

Yup, just went to Firmware version 2.2.
I had to have iTunes update my phone, then I had to use Quickpwn to jailbreak it again. Yup, took a long, long 15 or 20 minutes. Wow, such hard work. You've got me there. Hard, hard work.

The iphone requires APNs specific to the iphone (This is based on the exact feature you have in At&t's system, Blackberries have specific APNs too) and visual voicemail requires the iphone feature. Your phone can't fully function. Please don't do this unless you really know what you are doing. You could brick your new present and Apple will not help you.

If you are stupid enough to not follow simple directions, and you "brick" your phone, you don't need apple's help. You just unbrick it, restore your backup, and you're back where you started. Not that difficult? Well, maybe for you.. unless you didn't know it was this easy?

If you do plan on "Jailbreaking" to use it on the At&t network your nuts. If it's for another company go for it, but it wouldn't work fully.

Um, I don't use my iphone without it being jailbroken.
I have no problems, never will.

I think you're a bit confused over the difference between jailbreaking and unlocking - or maybe you didn't know they were two separate things.

I don't recommend unlocking your iphone.
I do recommend, however, jailbreaking it the first chance you get, once you're comfortable with it. It took me a bit of reading to get comfy. Now I'm as happy as can be.

By the way, it's "you're", not "your".

[Nicanor]

I think you're a bit confused over the difference between jailbreaking and unlocking - or maybe you didn't know they were two separate things.
I don't recommend unlocking your iphone.
I do recommend, however, jailbreaking it the first chance you get, once you're comfortable with it. It took me a bit of reading to get comfy. Now I'm as happy as can be.


I do understand they are different......

So you're using that phone with the iphone plan on At&t? If so I guess that's not a bad idea. For the free apps and games.

If you're using a "jailbroken" iphone on a regular pda plan it's not smart. (more expensive/no visual voicemail, incorrect APNs)

[Mushukyou]

I do understand they are different......

So you're using that phone with the iphone plan on At&t? If so I guess that's not a bad idea. For the free apps and games.

If you're using a "jailbroken" iphone on a regular pda plan it's not smart. (more expensive/no visual voicemail, incorrect APNs)

I didn't mean to come across harsh as I did in my responses, to anyone concerned, I apologize. I can be ...abrasive.

Yes, everyone that's in the know uses the iPhone with jailbreak along with AT&T. I wouldn't want to do without AT&T's cool voicemail feature. They know I have an iPhone and have given me the appropriate data plan for it.

I haven't researched using the iphone on other carriers. I have no want to know as of yet, I suppose.

** THE only negative thing about iphones is that you can't do SMS by default (picture txts), but you have email very easily on it with full pictures.

There is an SMS application for the iphone, but I haven't played with it much yet to see if it works.

[Nicanor]

Thanks for clarifying Mushukyou. I'm not knocking the iphone, it has it's pros and cons. Like any other device out there. Just find the phone that will work best for you.

[Mushukyou]

Thanks for clarifying Mushukyou. I'm not knocking the iphone, it has it's pros and cons. Like any other device out there. Just find the phone that will work best for you.

I don't know of any cons except the default SMS not being available.
I like having less of a phone (software keyboard) for better compactibility (is that a word? ..probably not). My fingers are kinda fat, but I can still do it.

[Revolver777]

iPhone can do more.



...and you'll find the iPhone is better.



A little app install, and yup.



I can get all apps free too.
iPhone has more functionality than a Windows CE phone, so no, not more apps.



iPhone has that too.




I'll reply in the same sense you did:

No.
Mine is better.
Period. (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone)

[Mushukyou]

I'll reply in the same sense you did:

No.
Mine is better.
Period.

Um, no. I stated that it can do the same, plus more.
I did give an example of why it can do more.
The tilt function, for starters.
I'm sure I could find many more in addition to that feature, but that alone puts it above a blackberry or nokia.

[Revolver777]

Um, no. I stated that it can do the same, plus more.
I did give an example of why it can do more.
The tilt function, for starters.
I'm sure I could find many more in addition to that feature, but that alone puts it above a blackberry or nokia.

Oh you did?

So somewhere in "iPhone can do more", "...and you'll find the iPhone is better.", "A little app install, and yup.", "I can get all apps free too. iPhone has more functionality than a Windows CE phone, so no, not more apps.", and "iPhone has that too." is an example of what more it can do?

I think not.

Aside from you being completely incorrect about your own post, I do not have a Blackberry or a Nokia. I have an HTC PPC-6800 like I said in my original post. Your phone has a "tilt function" my phone can take videos. You decide which is better. Not to mention that my phone has a tilt function as well, it's simply not fully automated. My phone also has a physical qwerty keyboard that's MUCH easier to type on than the on screen keyboard that's available to you. My battery also lasts much longer than the iPhone 3g. My Camera has a flash. I have Flash, Java, and Windows Media support on the interwebs with my phone, you don't. I have expandable memory. I can use my touchscreen with gloves on, with cold hands, with finger nails, with anything unlike the iPhone. There are WAY too many more to list...

Not to mention you're incorrect in several things. I have many more apps available to me on my phone than you do. The iPhone CAN send SMS messages, SMS is a text message. The iPhone cannot send MMS (which is pictures, etc.) messages.


-edit-

Oh and I'm not sure if it's allowed on a jailbreaked one or not but I can use my phone as a modem for my computer as well and you can't on a regular iPhone at least? Which is a big plus for traveling.

[Bloody blade]

So if i don't switch plans, can anyone tell me the pros and cons of the G1. I went into the store today and played around with it, and i liked it, but as people said, you can't trust what happens in the stores.

[Xtra-Medium]

I'll reply in the same sense you did:

No.
Mine is better.
Period. (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone)
that phone is badass the way the keyboard folds out, it is original

[Revolver777]

that phone is badass the way the keyboard folds out, it is original

Haha yeah, it's an old article but I still get a kick out of it.

[heroshade]

Get a brick phone. You can beat a mugger to death with it, then use it to call the police.

[-Jotun]

I Have T-mobile, and I pay 60 a month for 1000 mins, n/w free and unlimited internet//text//picture messaging.

Incredibly cheap, amazingly fast internet in my area and I don't have to worry about bullshit and I get great signal everywhere here. I see people paying tons of money for other things at other providers.

I currently use the T-Mobile G1 which is the best touchscreen phone I've ever used, and I use a jailbroken Iphone on tmobile.

I also have a blackberry curve 8320 w/wi-fi UMA and blackberry pearl 8120 that I use from time to time.

G1 pros:
amazingly fast internet and UI speed
custom programs, has only been out for a MONTH so yes there will be more than the currently 100 free programs on the marketplace
fully customizable UI, actually has a keyboard so you can actually text people with th ub b mes di ng up, and its the best phone I've ever handled (aside from the sidekick)wifi, 3g, trackball navigation which allows you to control handheld on internet so much better.
3.2 megapixel camera, integrated GPS

G1 will be the first handheld to get flash. Selling my Iphone as soon as this happens.


Many many more to come, the pros will only get better as time passes. People forget to realize this phone has only been out for a MONTH.

G1 simply put has the best browser experience on any phone, ever. Period.

cons: screen can be jerky at times with lots of programs open, no UMA, no exchange server email or business email, NO HEADPHONE port (must use usb dongle) which is sorta dumb, but It dont matter to me much since its easy to carry with the slide case you get

and by the way, to the people that think iphone is worth a shit think again. Only thing that looks OK is the UI, but fuck good looks I want actual features. Mine fucking sucks, I want to throw the piece of shit away and I wish I'd never wasted 400 dollars on the piece of shit. Battery life gets absolutely raped while browsing the internet, browser crashes all the time, cant ever do anything with picture messages (which for some reason every fucking handset since 03 has been able to do) and it takes so much work to switch between applications the UI gets old so fast. It was cool for a week until I noticed how awful the predictive text and typing was compared to an actual keyboard. Iphone is truly an overrated piece of shit and I fell for it. Maybe I have a few settings wrong that make my browser crash (doubtful) but I don't care regardless, I wouldn't waste a cent of my money on At&t's absolutely fucking terrible service. I'd think of Verizon maybe, but AT&T is on top of the shitlist of worst companies since AOL.

Blackberry Curve is my 2nd favorite choice, it does everything and more your piece of shit so called "high tech company" device does.

The only HTC device worth owning at this point is the G1 or Touch Pro. all the other models are windblows mobile garbage, steer clear from windows mobile phones unless you want to be like all the other frustrated users out there "so, It takes me 15 touches of my stylus to open my email folder?" <---word

Besides, that sony ericsson phone is like who cares. At least half the phones out of any provider have memory card support now, and if you like easy to use touchscreens you should check out the new Samsung Behold from tmobile.

5.0 megapixel touchscreen for cheap? I've used it and it looks pretty awesome, although the G1 is much better.

[Mushukyou]

Oh you did?

So somewhere in "iPhone can do more", "...and you'll find the iPhone is better.", "A little app install, and yup.", "I can get all apps free too. iPhone has more functionality than a Windows CE phone, so no, not more apps.", and "iPhone has that too." is an example of what more it can do?

I think not.

I mentioned the tilt function earlier.

Aside from you being completely incorrect about your own post,

I made several posts. You're only responding to one.

I do not have a Blackberry or a Nokia. I have an HTC PPC-6800 like I said in my original post. Your phone has a "tilt function" my phone can take videos.

iPhone can take videos with sound just find.

You decide which is better.

I'll take both. Booyah!

Not to mention that my phone has a tilt function as well, it's simply not fully automated.

Awww.. a drawback that the iphone doesn't have to worry about. Bonus!

My phone also has a physical qwerty keyboard that's MUCH easier to type on than the on screen keyboard that's available to you.

That's personal preference. I actually type faster on the on-screen keyboard than I would on a full button keyboard that can break easier. I love the on-screen keyboard. I'd say I have a bonus over you on there.

My battery also lasts much longer than the iPhone 3g.

I'm not sure about that. iPhone updates have changed that quite a bit. But in any case, I have an attachment, very thin and snuggles right up to the iphone that tripples the battery power. Bonus.

My Camera has a flash.

Your first and only plus I've heard so far, over an iphone. However, it doesn't seem to outweigh the negatives.

I have Flash, Java, and Windows Media support on the interwebs with my phone, you don't.

I have a media player that works just great on my iPhone. In fact, I have quite a few to choose from!

About flash and java. Yes, it's true the iphone doesn't have them - but what would you need them for? :confused: Java and Flash are both battery drainers. They are needlessly over-used technologies. Slow as heck on a mobile phone. What the hell do you need it for? The rare chance of wanting to fill out a java application? *barf* Almost makes your browser, in that small of a package, unusable. So no, doesn't have flash and java, and frankly, doens't need it. No points off there.

I have expandable memory. I can use my touchscreen with gloves on, with cold hands, with finger nails, with anything unlike the iPhone.

Hrm, I can use any material on my iphone display too. I have a protector on it as well. I can use my fingernails. What's wrong with you?



Only thing you have over it so far is the flash. Other than that, the iphone has been beating the crap out of your phone. :eek:

[quote]Not to mention you're incorrect in several things. I have many more apps available to me on my phone than you do.

Really? What can your phone do that mine cannot? :confused:

The iPhone CAN send SMS messages, SMS is a text message. The iPhone cannot send MMS (which is pictures, etc.) messages.

Yes, I meant MMS, wrong wording on my part.
It actually can send MMS now with an addon, apparently, I've learned.

-edit-

Oh and I'm not sure if it's allowed on a jailbreaked one or not but I can use my phone as a modem for my computer as well and you can't on a regular iPhone at least? Which is a big plus for traveling.

I can use the iphone as a modem, yup. Got a couple of applications that do that!

Again, you only have the flash over me, and the iphone is ahead with the better tilt, huge, huge battery attachment that's slick right against the phone... does your phone have that? And I must say the on-screen keyboard is better, but again, I admit that's user preference (I type very fast).
Also, I have 16gigs of memory, and I can download podcasts directly to my phone, can you? What about watch movies using the entire large screen? Also, can your phone be used as a musical instrument like mine can? .. oh wait, it can't.. its tilt isn't as good, my bad. No folding parts that can get broken... nice protective cover to insultate it from dampness... I could probably sit here all night and come up with things that I have that you don't, but I'll give you another crack at it, to see if you can come up with anything other than your flash thing. :)

[Daccus]

Avoid anything with Windows Mobile 6 Standard, it's the smart phone equivalent of Windows ME.

I just received my new phone, it's the LG Decoy and so far I like it. I got it after returning the Verizon SMT5800(HTC Libra). I like the built in bluetooth headset, I live in WA and driving while talking on a phone is now a secondary offense, so bluetooth headsets are nice to have.

[Cortanya]

I mentioned the tilt function earlier.

I'll take both. Booyah!

Awww.. a drawback that the iphone doesn't have to worry about. Bonus!

We'll talk about useless features later, but this is hardly a compelling advantage. What does tilt functionality bring to the Iphone? Useless apps like iBeer or iLightsaber?

That's personal preference. I actually type faster on the on-screen keyboard than I would on a full button keyboard that can break easier. I love the on-screen keyboard. I'd say I have a bonus over you on there.

How can you say soft keyboard is a bonus when you've previously stated it's a preference?

The HTC Touch Pro (I know you're responding about the HTC Mogul, but I haven't used it so I'll compare the Iphone to the Touch Pro) can use either a physical or soft keyboard, so you have the best of both worlds there.

I'm not sure about that. iPhone updates have changed that quite a bit. But in any case, I have an attachment, very thin and snuggles right up to the iphone that tripples the battery power. Bonus.

That's hardly an Iphone advantage, since you can buy extended batteries for just about any other phone.

Your first and only plus I've heard so far, over an iphone. However, it doesn't seem to outweigh the negatives.

You've mentioned one (arguably weak) positive of the Iphone - the tilt sensor.
Iphone has a soft keyboard only, HTC can use either.
HTC has a flash, 3.2 MP camera, focus, and zoom. Iphone has a 2.0 MP camera with no extra features.

About flash and java. Yes, it's true the iphone doesn't have them - but what would you need them for? :confused: Java and Flash are both battery drainers. They are needlessly over-used technologies. Slow as heck on a mobile phone. What the hell do you need it for? The rare chance of wanting to fill out a java application? *barf* Almost makes your browser, in that small of a package, unusable. So no, doesn't have flash and java, and frankly, doens't need it. No points off there.

So you'll give points to the Iphone for "tilt", but actual browser features are "unneeded", just because the iPhone doesn't have them?

A large number of websites use Java or Flash. The Iphone won't be able to view any of them. Both phones can get on facebook. Can the iPhone upload photos? (requires Java) Can the iPhone view uploaded videos? (requires flash)

There are WAY too many more to list...

Only thing you have over it so far is the flash. Other than that, the iphone has been beating the crap out of your phone. :eek:

That's funny, because of the things you listed, the only thing the iphone actually "wins" on is tilt.

Again, you only have the flash over me, and the iphone is ahead with the better tilt, huge, huge battery attachment that's slick right against the phone... does your phone have that? And I must say the on-screen keyboard is better, but again, I admit that's user preference (I type very fast).
Also, I have 16gigs of memory, and I can download podcasts directly to my phone, can you? What about watch movies using the entire large screen? Also, can your phone be used as a musical instrument like mine can? .. oh wait, it can't.. its tilt isn't as good, my bad. No folding parts that can get broken... nice protective cover to insultate it from dampness... I could probably sit here all night and come up with things that I have that you don't, but I'll give you another crack at it, to see if you can come up with anything other than your flash thing. :)

iPhone vs. HTC Touch Pro

iPhone:
- tilt (questionable actual utility, but I'll list it)
- it's lighter
- lots of apps, centralized app store (but the best features aren't on the app store, you have to jailbreak the phone for)
- iTunes compatibility
- multi-touch (also somewhat of a superficial feature, but it's still quite handy, and more useful than tilt)
- 3.5mm audio jack

HTC Touch Pro:
- physical keyboard (may or may not be an advantage)
- fewer apps, and no centralized app store, but freer development environment (toss-up)
- flash and java support
- Office, Exchange, and other business software
- camera flash, zoom, focus, and settings, and 3.2 MP vs. 2.0 MP
- user replaceable battery
- hot swappable SD storage
- A2DP support

That's all I came up with an about 10 minutes. I'm sure there's more, but the point is, the iPhone is one of the best smartphones you can get. It by no means is the best one, period.

Quit throwing out features common to just about any top tier smartphone and making sound like it's an iPhone exclusive. Any one of these phones can watch movies, stream videos, store large amounts of data, or be fitted with a high capacity battery pack.

There are lots of reasons to get an iPhone, and reasons to get a different one. Can you live with the soft keyboard and want a lighter phone? Do you like taking pictures with your phone? Do you use iTunes? Do you buy music legally (lol)? Are you a business user? Do you like listening to music with your phone? Do you like listening to music over bluetooth with your phone?

Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L2fsubA2-c

@OP:
Don't count out the iPhone just because it's an iPhone. If you need to use the phone overseas, most ATT and T-Mobile phones are compatible with other countries GSM networks. Just be prepared to pay out the ass for international roaming. ATT probably has better high speed data coverage, I think.

The thing with the iPhone is, you must Jailbreak it. Otherwise, everything people say about it is true. No MMS, no video recording, no tethering, no freedom.

The most common dealbreaker for the iPhone is the lack of a physical keyboard, and the limited camera. How do you feel about these features?

The Google G1 is the T-mobile equivalent of the HTC Touch Pro, hardware wise. Be warned, it lacks a camera flash like the iPhone. It's also currently lacking a video recorder, and browser flash support, both of which are on the way.

[Aragoni]

Nokia 6110 or Nokia 3210.

[Titus Ultor]

What's wrong with T-Mobile, guys?

Crappy phones, but cheap bundle packages. I'm not some prissy *** who accessorizes with his tools, so I don't care if my phone's an ugly piece of shit. And money talks.

[NapalmEnema]

To the Iphone sackriders - yes I am quoting myself, but it remains valid. I have had both the Iphone and the HTC Touch Pro.

From this thread- worth a read in and of itself. http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=86332

Iphone is for starbux swilling wannabe's that think having an apple product somehow defines them as elite.

I demo'd that POS and tossed it (work paid for) and got the HTC Touch Pro because it's a superior phone in every single fathomable way.

Touch screen - check
Full keyboard - check
Full Internet - check (and easy to browse not like that POS iphone)
Tilting for texting pics etc. - check
Windows mobile 6 ftw - check
Stylus - check (fuck the Iphone for not having one)


Honestly - check out the touch pro it's fucking the bomb and crushes the Iphone in features and utility.

The stylus is magnetic. It sits nicely flush with the phone, and oh shit, it comes with a fucking spare. No need though because it's fucking magnetic.

Typing on an IPhone (I've used one, have you used an HP Touch? No? Then stfu) was a royal pain the ass. Saying the Iphone's typing mechanism is good is flat fucking stupid. Period.

I touted the touchscreen because that's surely your only defense for the Iphone. This has that + cut, copy and paste. That's right, your shitty fucking Iphone can't copy and paste.

When I get texted or emailed a phone number I touch it with my finger or fucking STYLUS and oh shit, my phone DIALS the fucking number. My contacts? Saved on MSN or on my Exchange server. What's that? The Iphone can't interface with an Exchange server without some goofy Blackberry patch / server? FUCKING FAIL AGAIN

My phone is a mobile GPS and will talk me through how to get somewhere. Iphone? No? Didn't think so.

My phone has a 3.2megapixel camera in it, and does all the slick shit like sliding your finger across the screen to scroll through pics. I tap on my screen and can zoom in unlike the Iphone where I have to make weird gay fucking hand gestures just to do simple things.

The list is endless, much like your fanboyism for a lame fucking device. I got this phone OR THE IPHONE through my company, FOR FREE. I tossed the Iphone because it's just a fucking gimick. Argue that one asscannon.

God what a fucking idiot. :bang:

[Ankh]

WAAAAAH my phone was insulted ON THE INTERNET, must defend large corporation!

[Nasty]

This for sure (http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/Telephones/US-West_Old-School_Cell_Phone_Vert_Tan_web.jpg)

[Mushukyou]

We'll talk about useless features later, but this is hardly a compelling advantage. What does tilt functionality bring to the Iphone? Useless apps like iBeer or iLightsaber?

There's quite a few uses. It can also be an instrument with it.
Many, many games use it as well.
There are various other apps, like a level.
List goes on.

How can you say soft keyboard is a bonus when you've previously stated it's a preference?

Very easily.
I did state it was a use preference, and it is, and because I find it better, I find it a bonus. No contradiction at all there, slick.

The HTC Touch Pro (I know you're responding about the HTC Mogul, but I haven't used it so I'll compare the Iphone to the Touch Pro) can use either a physical or soft keyboard, so you have the best of both worlds there.

Like I said, user preference. I certainly like less parts, so smaller phone and harder to break.

That's hardly an Iphone advantage, since you can buy extended batteries for just about any other phone.

Yea, but the iphone is just smaller/more compact.

Iphone has a soft keyboard only, HTC can use either.
HTC has a flash, 3.2 MP camera, focus, and zoom. Iphone has a 2.0 MP camera with no extra features.

Camera works just fine. Focus is great, no need for adjustment in my opinion. It gets the job done. Correct, no flash, which really is the only drawback.

So you'll give points to the Iphone for "tilt", but actual browser features are "unneeded", just because the iPhone doesn't have them?

Correct, tilt is a bonus. The browsing needs in question are virtually unnecessary, so yes, not really a drawback at all. It's not because it doesn't have them, but because of the reasons I specified.

A large number of websites use Java or Flash. The Iphone won't be able to view any of them.

Like I said, unnecessary.

Can the iPhone upload photos? (requires Java)

Yup.

Can the iPhone view uploaded videos? (requires flash)

Doesn't require flash, and yes, I can view uploaded photos. I just did it on mediafire no problem.
I can also send pictures as attachments out on email on my phone, which is really the main important use.

That's funny, because of the things you listed, the only thing the iphone actually "wins" on is tilt.

Which puts it ahead of the other phones.
I would think it's smaller as well, easier to handle, less things to break.
So far better in my book.



iPhone vs. HTC Touch Pro

iPhone:
- tilt (questionable actual utility, but I'll list it)
- it's lighter
- lots of apps, centralized app store (but the best features aren't on the app store, you have to jailbreak the phone for)
- iTunes compatibility
- multi-touch (also somewhat of a superficial feature, but it's still quite handy, and more useful than tilt)
- 3.5mm audio jack

Tilt is great, and great apps, games and apps.
it's smaller, lighter, easier to handle in my opinion.
Jailbreaking is easy, not a con at all. It's a big bonus.
multi touch is far from superficial. It's definitely a bonus.

HTC Touch Pro:
- physical keyboard (may or may not be an advantage)
- fewer apps, and no centralized app store, but freer development environment (toss-up)
- flash and java support
- Office, Exchange, and other business software
- camera flash, zoom, focus, and settings, and 3.2 MP vs. 2.0 MP
- user replaceable battery
- hot swappable SD storage
- A2DP support

physical keyboard can break easier.
iphone app creation exists in just as free of an environment.
don't need flash and java.
iphone has the office software as well!
camera doesn't have flash, but it gets the job done otherwise just fine.
Battery can be replaced in an iphone by user, just more in-depth, I agree. The addon batteries are so snug against it, however.
You have SD storage? But I have 16 gigs. :eek:

That's all I came up with an about 10 minutes. I'm sure there's more, but the point is, the iPhone is one of the best smartphones you can get. It by no means is the best one, period.

Saying "period" after your assertion doesn't make it weigh any more.
I'd just have to disagree. You haven't given anything convincing. Just a flash thing on the camera, and flash and java which aren't really necessary. Otherwise the iphone stacks up just fine, and even better in some areas like tilt.

Quit throwing out features common to just about any top tier smartphone and making sound like it's an iPhone exclusive. Any one of these phones can watch movies, stream videos, store large amounts of data, or be fitted with a high capacity battery pack.

16 gigs worth?

There are lots of reasons to get an iPhone, and reasons to get a different one. Can you live with the soft keyboard and want a lighter phone? Do you like taking pictures with your phone? Do you use iTunes? Do you buy music legally (lol)? Are you a business user? Do you like listening to music with your phone? Do you like listening to music over bluetooth with your phone?

Yea, you can do all that with an iphone. No, I don't pay for music. Why do you ask? iTunes transfers anything you put in it.

The thing with the iPhone is, you must Jailbreak it. Otherwise, everything people say about it is true. No MMS, no video recording, no tethering, no freedom.

Making up lies to try to sound better? Just caught you in two. Really, that's pathetic.
I can do videos with sound just fine, and the frame rate on it is EXCELLENT!! No slowness at all. If you're ignorant on the iphone, you shouldn't be debating this topic.

Second lie: tethering. It can do it just fine! Why are you so ignorant?

"No freedom"? You're an idiot. Tired of your lying just to try to sound like you know what you're talking about. Well I called you out.

The most common dealbreaker for the iPhone is the lack of a physical keyboard, and the limited camera. How do you feel about these features?

Soft keyboard is awesome! I like it better, because I can type HELLA faster with it.
Camera not having flash? I agree it would be better if it did, but no huge thing.

The Google G1 is the T-mobile equivalent of the HTC Touch Pro, hardware wise. Be warned, it lacks a camera flash like the iPhone. It's also currently lacking a video recorder, and browser flash support, both of which are on the way.

Hah, you nimrod. You advertise the G1, telling people it's got video "on the way", yet you don't do any homework on the iphone and just lie to people about it not having video. You're a poor debater.

[NapalmEnema]

Damn dude if you rode that Iphone any harder you would have to get it tested for STD's.

The Iphone is not gods gift to cell phone users, as much as you are never going to acknowledge that. I've had BOTH the Iphone and the HTC Touch Pro, and the Touch Pro flogs it in every conceivable way. I wasn't predisposed to favoring either one, that's just fact after using both extensively.

You're so busy t-bagging your little gimmick you can't see the fucking forest for the trees. It's really sad actually.

[Mushukyou]

Damn dude if you rode that Iphone any harder you would have to get it tested for STD's.

The Iphone is not gods gift to cell phone users, as much as you are never going to acknowledge that. I've had BOTH the Iphone and the HTC Touch Pro, and the Touch Pro flogs it in every conceivable way.

Reference needed.

I wasn't predisposed to favoring either one, that's just fact after using both extensively.

You're so busy t-bagging your little gimmick you can't see the fucking forest for the trees. It's really sad actually.

Your attempt at humor fails.

[Nehemia]

Nokia N76.

[Ababoba]

iPhone

[NapalmEnema]

Reference needed.



Your attempt at humor fails.

Read this fucking thread? I've even linked a second thread that once again highlighted the differences and lacking features of the Iphone compared to the HTC Touch Pro for instance.

But better not read any of it, instead keep spouting off how awesome Apple is while wearing Berkenstock's and sipping your mocha-frappa-double-half-caf-cino.

[Mushukyou]

Read this fucking thread? I've even linked a second thread that once again highlighted the differences and lacking features of the Iphone compared to the HTC Touch Pro for instance.

But better not read any of it, instead keep spouting off how awesome Apple is while wearing Berkenstock's and sipping your mocha-frappa-double-half-caf-cino.

Read it. It was just full of opinions mostly.
Like the preference of a real keyboard. I already stated my stance on that.
We already highlighted the features in my discussion with that other individual. You didn't have anything new to offer.

The only consistent thing was the lack of a flash on the camera.

I don't like Apple. I hate MACS. But their phone is badass.

Your attempt at humor again fails.

[Viluin]

Read it. It was just full of opinions mostly.
Like the preference of a real keyboard. I already stated my stance on that.
We already highlighted the features in my discussion with that other individual. You didn't have anything new to offer.

The only consistent thing was the lack of a flash on the camera.

I don't like Apple. I hate MACS. But their phone is badass.

Your attempt at humor again fails.

The iPhone camera is 101% useless. They might as well remove it and make the thing cheaper.

My ancient and cheap Sony Ericsson W810i with a 2MP camera takes better quality pictures than the iPhone's 2MP camera.

[Mushukyou]

The iPhone camera is 101% useless. They might as well remove it and make the thing cheaper.

My ancient and cheap Sony Ericsson W810i with a 2MP camera takes better quality pictures than the iPhone's 2MP camera.

Really? My pictures are great. Great resolution and they look fine on the computer too. Not sure what you're talking about.

I admit it would be nice if it had a flash, but.. oh well.

It being 2mp means little. I don't see why people care about how much mp it has. Anything over 3 is really useless unless you're blowing stuff up. 2 is good enough, and pictures come out fine.

[Viluin]

Really? My pictures are great. Great resolution and they look fine on the computer too. Not sure what you're talking about.

I admit it would be nice if it had a flash, but.. oh well.

It being 2mp means little. I don't see why people care about how much mp it has. Anything over 3 is really useless unless you're blowing stuff up. 2 is good enough, and pictures come out fine.

You fool, iPhone pictures look like complete crap. Your pictures are not great. Your pictures do not look fine. Your pictures make people want to stab their eyes out, so stop making them.

[Ankh]

I have a Nokia N73. It's a slow piece of shit. It has a nice camera though, but I need a phone that doesn't take 5 seconds per menu change.

I'm serious, for every menu, it takes a minimum of 5 seconds.

Next phone is going to one of the touch screen + full keyboards hybrids.

Touch screen for epic ScummVM gaming.

[biggunsar]

I am asking for a new phone for christmas from my parents, and i was just wondering what forumfall would recommend.

I was thinking the iphone or the new blackberry, but i am open to new options.

I recommend one that works. Becuase the broken kind, aren't any fun.

[NapalmEnema]

I have a Nokia N73. It's a slow piece of shit. It has a nice camera though, but I need a phone that doesn't take 5 seconds per menu change.

Next phone is going to one of the touch screen + full keyboards hybrids.

Touch screen for epic ScummVM gaming.

HTC Touch pro = for you

[Viluin]

I have a Nokia N73. It's a slow piece of shit. It has a nice camera though, but I need a phone that doesn't take 5 seconds per menu change.

Next phone is going to one of the touch screen + full keyboards hybrids.

Touch screen for epic ScummVM gaming.

ScummVM gets old after 5 minutes. Trust me.

[Ankh]

ScummVM gets old after 5 minutes. Trust me.

Wut? I've used it on and off for years on different phones and on the pc.

[slugy]

get a sony ericsson, they are the best phones ive used eveah

[Mushukyou]

You fool, iPhone pictures look like complete crap. Your pictures are not great. Your pictures do not look fine. Your pictures make people want to stab their eyes out, so stop making them.

Nope, pictures look just fine on my iPhone.
My pictures *are* great, and I can upload a couple if you'd like.

You're an idiot.

[Helgeran]

My phone is six years old, it can text and call and has a build in alarm and a calculator and two sucky games. I seriously love it except when in certain suburbs at night, I think anyone who robbed me of it would gut me in dissappointment.

[Mushukyou]

My phone is six years old, it can text and call and has a build in alarm and a calculator and two sucky games. I seriously love it except when in certain suburbs at night, I think anyone who robbed me of it would gut me in dissappointment.

Sounds awesome!

I seriously love my iphone alarm.
I used to use the alarm of my really old phone .. had it forever plugged in next to my bed.. until I started using the iphone alarm. It's great, works even when you put the thing on vibrate/silent.

I know it's not as good insofar as the historical, museum value of your phone, but it tries.

[alexiogman]

Just get a razor simple and it works.... uless ur an iphone junkie or have a GF that u care about, then get something with a full keyboard.

[Ankh]

Sounds awesome!

I seriously love my iphone alarm.
I used to use the alarm of my really old phone .. had it forever plugged in next to my bed.. until I started using the iphone alarm. It's great, works even when you put the thing on vibrate/silent.

Woah, a phone alarm! Amazing!

[Mushukyou]

Just get a razor simple and it works.... uless ur an iphone junkie or have a GF that u care about, then get something with a full keyboard.

Yea, I used to think I could only use a full keyboard with buttons. And although I'm usually pretty stubborn for change sometimes, I fight that and make myself learn something new/progressive.. I have to, since I'm a computer technician.

[Mushukyou]

Woah, a phone alarm! Amazing!

Yup, it's pretty badass.

[NapalmEnema]

Yea, I used to think I could only use a full keyboard with buttons. And although I'm usually pretty stubborn for change sometimes, I fight that and make myself learn something new/progressive.. I have to, since I'm a computer technician.

I'm a tech too, and you know what I came the conclusion of? The touchscreen typing on the Iphone is gimmicky crap compared to a real tactile keyboard. I could out-type you on my HTC Touch by at least 2x.

So really, you got used to a gimmick and are passing it off as 'the next evolution'. In reality, it's just a stupid fucking gimmick that you have to get used to but it's certainly not more efficient than other models out there.

I can type without looking at the keys - how does that work out for you? :lmao::lmao::lmao:

[Cortanya]

There's quite a few uses. It can also be an instrument with it.
Many, many games use it as well.
There are various other apps, like a level.
List goes on.

Any phone with an accelerometer can be used as a level. I know for a fact there is one for the G1, which uses very similar hardware to the Touch Pro.

Very easily.
I did state it was a use preference, and it is, and because I find it better, I find it a bonus. No contradiction at all there, slick.

Like I said, user preference. I certainly like less parts, so smaller phone and harder to break.

Yea, but the iphone is just smaller/more compact.

And a physical keyboard is faster. So you admit the soft keyboard advantage is at best, a wash, and dependant on user preference.

A soft keyboard can indeed be a plus, for users who want a smaller phone and don't need a physical key. That's why I asked the OP if he minded typing in the screen.

Camera works just fine. Focus is great, no need for adjustment in my opinion. It gets the job done. Correct, no flash, which really is the only drawback.

Ever taken pictures in indoors? Ever taken pictures with a real camera?

Correct, tilt is a bonus. The browsing needs in question are virtually unnecessary, so yes, not really a drawback at all. It's not because it doesn't have them, but because of the reasons I specified.

You're a retard. Tilt, used for apps with no functionality, like iBeer or crappy games like fishing is a bonus.
Support for popular web standards is "unnecessary", even though they are required to view a large number of websites.

Doesn't require flash, and yes, I can view uploaded photos. I just did it on mediafire no problem.
I can also send pictures as attachments out on email on my phone, which is really the main important use.

Learn to read dumbshit. I know you can upload and view photos with the iPhone. I was giving an example of Facebook, a popular site that requires java and flash for full functionality. I know you can view Facebook on an iPhone, but can you use the Facebook photo uploader, which uses java, or view videos people have uploaded to Facebook, which requires flash?

Which puts it ahead of the other phones.
I would think it's smaller as well, easier to handle, less things to break.
So far better in my book.

Because "in your book", real features like camera flash, zoom, autofocus, java, flash, are "useless", right? While the almighty tilt is so goddamn useful. Enjoy that iBeer.

I could easily say "I don't like the iPhone browser". But that'd be retarded and unproductive. Let's try to maintain some semblence of objectivity here.

Saying "period" after your assertion doesn't make it weigh any more.
I'd just have to disagree. You haven't given anything convincing. Just a flash thing on the camera, and flash and java which aren't really necessary. Otherwise the iphone stacks up just fine, and even better in some areas like tilt.

Fortunately, I don't give a shit about convincing you, I'm only out to present objective facts.

I've listed major features the iPhone lacks like:
- camera flash, zoom, autofocus, and 3.2 MP
- adobe flash and java

I've also listed its major advantages like:
- size and weight
- cumulative UI improvements (Tilt, on its own, is trivial. But it is one of several minor iPhone interface conveniences, like multitouch, that may make it easier to navigate, depending on the user)

There are also minor pros and cons, like 3.5 mm audio jack, A2DP support, user replaceable battery, Apple compatibility.

Otherwise the iphone stacks up just fine, and even better in some areas like tilt.

That's exactly what I'm saying: the iPhone stacks up to other top tier smartphones just fine. Once jailbroken, it IS a top tier smartphone, better in some areas, worse in others. It depends on what you're looking for.
It just isn't the god of all phones, spawn of his holyness Steve Jobs.

16 gigs worth?

You don't know 16 GB microSD cards exist? Figures.

SD cards are also hot swappable, but most users wouldn't take advantage of that feature.

And you apparently didn't know battery packs exist for other phones as well.
Here's a clue, what makes you think other phones' battery packs are bigger and heavier than the iPhones? Does Apple use some magic battery technology that makes theirs smaller? Here's a clue, these 3rd party batteries are all made using the same tech. The iPhone has a smaller profile because the phone itself already has a smaller profile.

Yea, you can do all that with an iphone. No, I don't pay for music. Why do you ask? iTunes transfers anything you put in it.

Way to miss the fucking point, dumbshit.
If you like a lighter phone and don't need a physical keyboard, get an iPhone.
If you like taking lots of pictures with your phone, consider something else.
If you buy music legally (some people do), or if you already have an iPod or just like using iTunes, try the iPhone.
If you are a business user, you're probably stuck with something else.
If you like listening to music with your phone, in addition to syncing with your iPod, the iPhone has a 3.5 mm audio jack which a lot of other phones lack.

I'm not biased against the iPhone, I'm against Steve Jobs cocksuckers who think it's objectively the best phone ever.

Making up lies to try to sound better? Just caught you in two. Really, that's pathetic.
I can do videos with sound just fine, and the frame rate on it is EXCELLENT!! No slowness at all. If you're ignorant on the iphone, you shouldn't be debating this topic.

Second lie: tethering. It can do it just fine! Why are you so ignorant?

"No freedom"? You're an idiot. Tired of your lying just to try to sound like you know what you're talking about. Well I called you out.

Wow. Seriously, hang yourself, because you're too fucking dumb to continue wasting our precious oxygen.
Try reading it again, dumbshit: Until you jailbreak the iPhone it lacks all the above features: MMS, video capture, tethering.

What, they don't teach you how to read growing up in the ol' Steve Jobs Worship Commune?

Soft keyboard is awesome! I like it better, because I can type HELLA faster with it.

You like it better? Fine. Most people type faster with a physical keyboard. A fast typer with a physical keyboard can type faster than you with your software keyboard.

Hardware vs. software is, at best, a wash, objectively. If the phone customer wants a soft key, that's great. The key being "if the phone customer wants".

Camera not having flash? I agree it would be better if it did, but no huge thing.

Since you obviously have a lot of trouble with reading comprehension, and just reading in general, I'll point out the above 2 questions were directed at the OP.

Nobody gives a fuck about how you feel about soft keys, phone size, and cameras; you've already told us.
If OP, who is looking for a phone, wants a physical keyboard and wants a camera flash, he's probably not getting an iPhone. If he wants a smaller phone and is fine with soft keys, woohoo, iPhone.

Try looking up "objectivity" in the dictionary. It's a big word for you, but try anyway.
I'm not anti-iPhone biased. Try being just a little bit more objective (big word).


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If OP is still looking for a phone, don't discount the iPhone on the basis of bullshit Apple marketing, or retarded iPhone cultists like this fool.
That itself is illogical and fallacious, to punish a damn nice piece of hardware for the idiocy of people who use it. That's as dumb as blaming guns for people who use them.

Discount it on the basis of objective features: soft key/phone size vs. physical keyboard/camera. Or network vs. network.

[Taroth]

Banana phone

[Milo Hobgoblin]

one with a rotary dial.. so people will stop making phone calls for every stupid fucking reason.. having to use that god damn dial will make sure you will only bother calling when you absolutely fucking have to.

[NapalmEnema]

Any phone with an accelerometer can be used as a level. I know for a fact there is one for the G1, which uses very similar hardware to the Touch Pro.



And a physical keyboard is faster. So you admit the soft keyboard advantage is at best, a wash, and dependant on user preference.

A soft keyboard can indeed be a plus, for users who want a smaller phone and don't need a physical key. That's why I asked the OP if he minded typing in the screen.



Ever taken pictures in indoors? Ever taken pictures with a real camera?



You're a retard. Tilt, used for apps with no functionality, like iBeer or crappy games like fishing is a bonus.
Support for popular web standards is "unnecessary", even though they are required to view a large number of websites.



Learn to read dumbshit. I know you can upload and view photos with the iPhone. I was giving an example of Facebook, a popular site that requires java and flash for full functionality. I know you can view Facebook on an iPhone, but can you use the Facebook photo uploader, which uses java, or view videos people have uploaded to Facebook, which requires flash?



Because "in your book", real features like camera flash, zoom, autofocus, java, flash, are "useless", right? While the almighty tilt is so goddamn useful. Enjoy that iBeer.

I could easily say "I don't like the iPhone browser". But that'd be retarded and unproductive. Let's try to maintain some semblence of objectivity here.



Fortunately, I don't give a shit about convincing you, I'm only out to present objective facts.

I've listed major features the iPhone lacks like:
- camera flash, zoom, autofocus, and 3.2 MP
- adobe flash and java

I've also listed its major advantages like:
- size and weight
- cumulative UI improvements (Tilt, on its own, is trivial. But it is one of several minor iPhone interface conveniences, like multitouch, that may make it easier to navigate, depending on the user)

There are also minor pros and cons, like 3.5 mm audio jack, A2DP support, user replaceable battery, Apple compatibility.



That's exactly what I'm saying: the iPhone stacks up to other top tier smartphones just fine. Once jailbroken, it IS a top tier smartphone, better in some areas, worse in others. It depends on what you're looking for.
It just isn't the god of all phones, spawn of his holyness Steve Jobs.



You don't know 16 GB microSD cards exist? Figures.

SD cards are also hot swappable, but most users wouldn't take advantage of that feature.

And you apparently didn't know battery packs exist for other phones as well.
Here's a clue, what makes you think other phones' battery packs are bigger and heavier than the iPhones? Does Apple use some magic battery technology that makes theirs smaller? Here's a clue, these 3rd party batteries are all made using the same tech. The iPhone has a smaller profile because the phone itself already has a smaller profile.



Way to miss the fucking point, dumbshit.
If you like a lighter phone and don't need a physical keyboard, get an iPhone.
If you like taking lots of pictures with your phone, consider something else.
If you buy music legally (some people do), or if you already have an iPod or just like using iTunes, try the iPhone.
If you are a business user, you're probably stuck with something else.
If you like listening to music with your phone, in addition to syncing with your iPod, the iPhone has a 3.5 mm audio jack which a lot of other phones lack.

I'm not biased against the iPhone, I'm against Steve Jobs cocksuckers who think it's objectively the best phone ever.



Wow. Seriously, hang yourself, because you're too fucking dumb to continue wasting our precious oxygen.
Try reading it again, dumbshit: Until you jailbreak the iPhone it lacks all the above features: MMS, video capture, tethering.

What, they don't teach you how to read growing up in the ol' Steve Jobs Worship Commune?



You like it better? Fine. Most people type faster with a physical keyboard. A fast typer with a physical keyboard can type faster than you with your software keyboard.

Hardware vs. software is, at best, a wash, objectively. If the phone customer wants a soft key, that's great. The key being "if the phone customer wants".



Since you obviously have a lot of trouble with reading comprehension, and just reading in general, I'll point out the above 2 questions were directed at the OP.

Nobody gives a fuck about how you feel about soft keys, phone size, and cameras; you've already told us.
If OP, who is looking for a phone, wants a physical keyboard and wants a camera flash, he's probably not getting an iPhone. If he wants a smaller phone and is fine with soft keys, woohoo, iPhone.

Try looking up "objectivity" in the dictionary. It's a big word for you, but try anyway.
I'm not anti-iPhone biased. Try being just a little bit more objective (big word).


EDIT-

If OP is still looking for a phone, don't discount the iPhone on the basis of bullshit Apple marketing, or retarded iPhone cultists like this fool.
That itself is illogical and fallacious, to punish a damn nice piece of hardware for the idiocy of people who use it. That's as dumb as blaming guns for people who use them.

Discount it on the basis of objective features: soft key/phone size vs. physical keyboard/camera. Or network vs. network.

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[Mushukyou]

I'm a tech too, and you know what I came the conclusion of? The touchscreen typing on the Iphone is gimmicky crap compared to a real tactile keyboard. I could out-type you on my HTC Touch by at least 2x.

I seriously doubt it. I type very, very fast. I type 90wpm in real life on a real keyboard, so it wasn't difficult to mimic the speed on a touch screen, where I don't need to push down, just lightly tap. You faster? I think not.

So really, you got used to a gimmick and are passing it off as 'the next evolution'. In reality, it's just a stupid fucking gimmick that you have to get used to but it's certainly not more efficient than other models out there.

Wrong. I've used both. iPhone is just faster in typing, imo. For you perhaps not.

And a physical keyboard is faster. So you admit the soft keyboard advantage is at best, a wash, and dependant on user preference.

I never stated that the physical keyboard is faster. In fact, I assert that I can type faster with my soft key than a physical keyboad on a phone.

Ever taken pictures in indoors? Ever taken pictures with a real camera?

iPhone has a "real" camera. Not as advanced as a camera that's only a camera and only designed to be a camera, but it's quite good nonetheless.

You're a retard. Tilt, used for apps with no functionality, like iBeer or crappy games like fishing is a bonus.

Entertainment is very important. It also has other applications besides entertainment that use it. Looks like you're the retard now.

I know you can upload and view photos with the iPhone. I was giving an example of Facebook, a popular site that requires java and flash for full functionality. I know you can view Facebook on an iPhone, but can you use the Facebook photo uploader, which uses java, or view videos people have uploaded to Facebook, which requires flash?

We have an application that allows us to upload pictures to facebook just fine.

Because "in your book", real features like camera flash, zoom, autofocus, java, flash, are "useless", right? While the almighty tilt is so goddamn useful. Enjoy that iBeer.

Again, you come across as an idiot. I said it would be nice to have a flash on the camera for the iphone, and that's the only real downside to the phone in my opinion, but it's not such a big deal as to be a deal-breaker.

Java and flash for the browser aren't really all that necessary, no. They are battery-sucking and bloated. Tilt for entertainment and non-entertainment is very useful, no matter how much you attempt to downplay it, son.

I could easily say "I don't like the iPhone browser". But that'd be retarded and unproductive. Let's try to maintain some semblence of objectivity here.

You wouldn't sound anymore retarded.

I'm only out to present objective facts.

I've listed major features the iPhone lacks like:
- camera flash, zoom, autofocus, and 3.2 MP
- adobe flash and java

Right, and we've already addressed them.

I've also listed its major advantages like:
- size and weight
- cumulative UI improvements (Tilt, on its own, is trivial. But it is one of several minor iPhone interface conveniences, like multitouch, that may make it easier to navigate, depending on the user)

Tilt isn't trivial.
And yup, more compact.
Great phone.

That's exactly what I'm saying: the iPhone stacks up to other top tier smartphones just fine. Once jailbroken, it IS a top tier smartphone, better in some areas, worse in others. It depends on what you're looking for.
It just isn't the god of all phones, spawn of his holyness Steve Jobs.

It is better than the second coming of Christ.

You don't know 16 GB microSD cards exist? Figures.

That your phone supports? mmhmm.

If you like a lighter phone and don't need a physical keyboard, get an iPhone.
If you like taking lots of pictures with your phone, consider something else.
If you buy music legally (some people do), or if you already have an iPod or just like using iTunes, try the iPhone.
If you are a business user, you're probably stuck with something else.
If you like listening to music with your phone, in addition to syncing with your iPod, the iPhone has a 3.5 mm audio jack which a lot of other phones lack.

1. soft keyboard owns the physical, in my opinion.
2. iPhone camera is good enough, does a great job.
3. You can buy music or not, use either with iphone.
4. Thank you for pointing out the jack, which is another bonus. All the more reason to go iPhone, the god of all phones.

I'm not biased against the iPhone, I'm against Steve Jobs cocksuckers who think it's objectively the best phone ever.

I hate mac.
But remember, iphone, better than the 2nd coming... It is a god in of itself.

Until you jailbreak the iPhone it lacks all the above features: MMS, video capture, tethering.

I fail to see why you would even mention jailbreaking, as if it's some sort of hurdle to get past. It's easy. So therefore you can include all of its features within the pros.

You like it better? Fine. Most people type faster with a physical keyboard.

Really? You know most people that use them? Interesting. You must be very popular then.

A fast typer with a physical keyboard can type faster than you with your software keyboard.

Let's logically analyze that.
Keys you must push, compared to keys you only need to run your finger over.. hrmm... I'd say.. you're wrong.

Hardware vs. software is, at best, a wash, objectively. If the phone customer wants a soft key, that's great. The key being "if the phone customer wants".

Agreed. We are speaking of comfortability.

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[Rimayven]

Nokia

[Bissen]

http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/6220_classic

Best phone I ever had. Small and weighs 90 grams.

5 Mpixel cam, A-GPS, Bluetooth, MP3, MP4, 8 gigs of space, you name it has it.. Feel like frickin James Bond. And it's rather cheap aswell.

Edit. Forget about the best feature. Micro USB. Use it all the time.

[Revolver777]

Hrm, I can use any material on my iphone display too. I have a protector on it as well. I can use my fingernails. What's wrong with you?


The rest of your points were addressed by another poster, except for this one where you are incorrect yet again.

I don't think you realize how the iPhone screen works, you can only use it with material that is conductive (hence non-conductive materials like gloves or a stylus don't work on it) because it senses an input via changes in the current running through the screen/receptors. You can still change the current with a protector over it, but if you use material that isn't conductive it wont register because there will not be any change in the current running over the sensors.

[Mushukyou]

The rest of your points were addressed by another poster, except for this one where you are incorrect yet again.

I don't think you realize how the iPhone screen works, you can only use it with material that is conductive (hence non-conductive materials like gloves or a stylus don't work on it) because it senses an input via changes in the current running through the screen/receptors. You can still change the current with a protector over it, but if you use material that isn't conductive it wont register because there will not be any change in the current running over the sensors.

Hrm, I just tried with a piece of cardboard and you're correct. :)
I don't wear gloves, so I never saw the need to use anything but my fingers.

[Revolver777]

Hrm, I just tried with a piece of cardboard and you're correct. :)
I don't wear gloves, so I never saw the need to use anything but my fingers.

Physics doesn't lie ;)

[Cortanya]

Can anyone believe this clown? I hope nobody's taking him seriously anymore. At first he just seemed like an enthusiastic iPhone owner. Then he resembled a Steve Jobs cocksucking iPhone cultist. Now I think there's something mentally wrong with him - he is incapable of thinking rationally or objectively.

You know what's funny? I've mentioned more actual positive things about the iPhone than he has. You know what people care about? The iPhone's lighter size and weight. Its slick UI (which tilt is only a small part of; tilt in and of itself is trivial in comparison). Its integration with popular media software.

If you notice, all he's actually done was:
1. Claim tilt was the best feature in the whole wide world
2. Make up bogus iPhone advantages (external battery packs, 16 GB storage, etc.)
3. Say "that's not important!!" about everything the iPhone lacks
4. Quote every positive thing I bring up about the iPhone with "IPHONE ACKBAR!!!"

What a fucking moron. If anything, it makes me wonder if he even deserves an iPhone. If he happened to own a crappy Razr he'd worship it and extol its virtues and call it the best thing ever. I bet if we gave him a piece of cardboard in the shape of a phone, we'd be hearing all about the almighty iCardboard.

I seriously doubt it. I type very, very fast. I type 90wpm in real life on a real keyboard, so it wasn't difficult to mimic the speed on a touch screen, where I don't need to push down, just lightly tap. You faster? I think not.

Wrong. I've used both. iPhone is just faster in typing, imo. For you perhaps not.

I never stated that the physical keyboard is faster. In fact, I assert that I can type faster with my soft key than a physical keyboad on a phone.


Exhibit A.

Let's bring up hardware and software keyboards. Ultimately, it is a matter of user preference. Clownshoes claims he can type faster with a soft key than a physical one. Fine, I don't dispute that. But it's not about him. It's about what the user, in this case, OP, likes. Clearly, moronico doesn't understand that.

Furthermore, there are always tradeoffs in technology. Hardware keyboards are, for most users, inherently faster than software keys. The tradeoff is a physical keyboard is more complex, and adds thickness and weight to the phone. (Think about it; otherwise, why would anyone even make physical keyboards at all?)

To a person who prefers soft keys, who cares? None of this matters to the user, of course, as before, it comes down to user preference. It doesn't matter to guy X that I can type faster than Mr Dumbass with my physical keyboard, it's all about what works for Mr. X.

The soft key is NOT a given iPhone advantage. It's also not a given iPhone disadvantage.
This dumbshit thinks the software keyboard is always better for everybody, just because he types faster on it.


iPhone has a "real" camera. Not as advanced as a camera that's only a camera and only designed to be a camera, but it's quite good nonetheless.

Exhibit B.

I think even shithead will agree that a 3.2 MP camera with a flash, autofocus, and zoom is objectively better than a 2.0 camera with none of the above features.

The motherfucking point is that users have a choice, camera A, or camera B, which is objectively better. He dismisses camera B out of hand, because camera A is "good enough". Funny, right? Anything the iPhone has is automatically "good enough".

2.0 MP can indeed be good enough. 3.2 MP will be "good enough" in more situations.

Here, take a look at some real 2.0 MP pictures.

These were taken in well lit conditions. Good enough? Sure.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj177/cortana_raven/Meow/0.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj177/cortana_raven/Meow/1.jpg

These were taken in a moderately lit restaurant/club. Notice the graininess and blurriness. Could have been much better with a flash, but good enough? When uploaded to facebook, the pictures are resized to be smaller, so it looks a lot better at a smaller size. Good enough? It's not my call, and it's not whatshisname's call either. It's you, the phone buyers'.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj177/cortana_raven/Meow/2.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj177/cortana_raven/Meow/3.jpg

This was taken in a well lit dorm room. Notice the blur and out of focus. Good enough? You decide.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj177/cortana_raven/Meow/4.jpg

These were taken in low lit conditions, or with a fast moving target. Good enough? Most people would say hell no.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj177/cortana_raven/Meow/5.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj177/cortana_raven/Meow/6.jpg

Is the iPhone camera "good enough"? For lots of people it is. Are there better ones out there? Yes. Lots of people would put up with pictures 5 and 6, as long as the phone can deliver pictures 1 and 2. Or 1 through 4.

Don't let some Steve Jobs worshipping fucktard tell you anything the iPhone does is by default, "good enough".

Entertainment is very important. It also has other applications besides entertainment that use it. Looks like you're the retard now.

Note how he fails to name a single specific example. He's previously mentioned a level app, which inconveniently exists on other phones as well.

ZOMFG wait! The iPhone's level app levels out .5 seconds faster! iWin!

Java and flash for the browser aren't really all that necessary, no. They are battery-sucking and bloated. Tilt for entertainment and non-entertainment is very useful, no matter how much you attempt to downplay it, son.

Exhibit C

Notice how flash and java, two very widely used web technologies, are unnecessary. Because the iPhone doesn't have them, of course.

What are most interactive websites made out of? Oh right, java (or flash). How do you view embedded videos? Oh right, flash.

What is the iPhone accelerometer used for, again, that can't be done on other phones?

I fail to see why you would even mention jailbreaking, as if it's some sort of hurdle to get past. It's easy. So therefore you can include all of its features within the pros.

Buy a fucking clue.
I mentioned jailbreaking to inform the OP or any prospective iPhone buyers that they need to jailbreak their phone to unlock its full functionality. I never said it was hard, I said it was necessary.
Why should I mention jailbroke features as iPhone "pros", when they already exist in other phones? MMS, video recording, and tethering can be done with all the phones (including the jailbroken iPhone), so I didn't mention them at all in a comparison.

OP, if you're looking for a new phone still, you won't have more fun and usability than choosing an iphone. Don't choose something else just because a dumb shit wanna-be elitist like this guy says he needs to feel bumps on his fingers when he types, or because you were convinced a flash is necessary for your phone portfolio.

Wow, the iPhone is "fun and usable"! Whelp, I guess the iPhone is the only possible choice for everyone now! Every other phone manufacturer might as well pack up and close down, cause some guy declared the iPhone "fun and usable".

This guy is a dumb douche of the highest degree. Facts mean nothing to him. Reason means nothing to him. The only thing that matters is his opinions and his feelings. That goes for the rest of us, too - his feeeeelings are universal, absolute truth, whether we like it or not.

Heathen! I declare a jihad on physical keys! Because I type faster one a soft keyboard, all you infidels shall do so as well, and like it!

Unbelievers! 2.0 MP with no flash or zoom or autofocus is always good enough! There is no need for anything better, ever. Even thinking the numbers 3.2 is heresy! Pi is now exactly 2.0! iPHONE ACKBAR!!

[Mushukyou]

Unbelievers! 2.0 MP with no flash or zoom or autofocus is always good enough! There is no need for anything better, ever. Even thinking the numbers 3.2 is heresy! Pi is now exactly 2.0! iPHONE ACKBAR!!

We are talking about user preferences in much of what we discussed, no need to create strawman arguments and say that I said otherwise, when I didn't. You're an idiot.

I didn't get the iphone for a powerful camera.
I have a ...camera for that.

[Beorg]

Phones are for attention-whores.

I don't carry a cell phone and I have no long-distance services, either.

Every three months they become obsolete, anyway, and so buying them is simply a waste of money. If you want your money out of a phone, get one that will last rather than a new, shiny one that will fall apart in a few months.

[Cortanya]

We are talking about user preferences in much of what we discussed, no need to create strawman arguments and say that I said otherwise, when I didn't. You're an idiot.

I didn't get the iphone for a powerful camera.
I have a ...camera for that.

Wrong, dumbshit. You have claimed, multiple times, that the iPhone is the best phone there is, bar none.

Either retract your claim that the iPhone is objectively better than every other phone period, or you lose.

I've claimed the iPhone is one of the top tier touch screen smartphones available, packing important smartphone features (common with the rest) like media capabilties, full web browsing, tethering, and so forth.
I've also mentioned its unique advantages over comparable phones, like lighter size and weight, and slick interface.
I also mentioned differences (physical vs. soft keyboard) that can be better or worse, depending on the user. I also mentioned outright disadvantages, such as the camera and browser technologies, that you dismiss out of hand, just because you personally don't use them.

The iPhone is the best phone for you? Sure, go nuts, I don't dispute that. The iPhone is the best phone for a lot of people.

If you still want to continue your irrational, emotional, and you-centric claim that the iPhone is objectively the best phone for any user, you are wrong and you will lose.

[Reigngod]

I use the HTC 8925 (At&T Tilt) and swear by HTC products. Just always chock full of features. Soon as they release something better though, Ill be upgrading.

Edit: Messed with the HTC Fuze the other day and was a little dissapointed..but I think its just because of my high expectations with their products. Anyways...Waiting for the next upgrade.

[NapalmEnema]

Oh snap I forgot to mention -

MY HTC TOUCH HAS SOFT KEYBOARD IF I WANT IT

I can also write out with my stylus, quick notes while on a call for instance.



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[Bloody blade]

I might actually get the G1, could you guys tell me what you think about the G1?

[Gmoneyslim12]

I currently have t-mobile (i hate it) but i might switch providers. But for now just through some names out there.

Didn't read thread, was probably mentioned,

Iphone

[Bissen]

Phones are for attention-whores.

I don't carry a cell phone and I have no long-distance services, either.

Every three months they become obsolete, anyway, and so buying them is simply a waste of money. If you want your money out of a phone, get one that will last rather than a new, shiny one that will fall apart in a few months.

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You have no friends.

[RichieV]

G1 or Blackberry Storm. imo

[Viluin]

How can anyone argue against the Sony Ericsson W902?

[Bissen]

How can anyone argue against the Sony Ericsson W902?

By saying Nokia 6220c.

[Cortanya]

I might actually get the G1, could you guys tell me what you think about the G1?

My impressions of the G1:

Similar hardware and physical design (slide out keyboard) to the HTC Touch Pro. It's lighter than the Touch Pro, but lacks the camera flash.

It's also a new platform, and lacks video recording and adobe flash as of yet.

The UI is composed of 3 screens (kinda like your Desktop screen), than you can switch between by sliding left or right. There are 4x4 spots for icons per screen, so you can have a total of 16 icons per screen, 48 total. You can also create folders, and store the apps in these, just like your Desktop, so you can theoretically have 768 "shortcuts" on the main screen.

You can drag and drop apps to and from the "Desktop".

The interface is responsive and hasn't lagged for me yet. One thing I miss is multi-touch for zooming in and out of web pages. Instead, you have two little "+" and "-" buttons to zoom in and out. It's fast enough and works fine most of the time, but "pinching" would be nice to have for the rare times you want to zoom in/out all the way.

Connecting to your computer is accomplished by a regular mini-USB connection (you can also charge the phone this way). What I like is all the contents of the phone: music, photos, videos; can be viewed and accessed as regular folders in Windows, unlike some other devices.

Unlike jailbreaking, which is easy and practically mandatory to get the most out of your iPhone, playing around with root on the G1 is a geek endeavor. Since the G1 is so new and an open dev environment anyway, you won't really get any benefit out of hacking it, unless you're into that kind of thing. (Or want to eat your battery running Debian...!)

My reason for going with it was I already had T-Mobile, and they had the cheapest plan. I get 1000 minutes, unlimited internet, and unlimited messaging for about $75. A comparable plan would be $90 from Sprint and $95 from ATT. Minus my govt/military discount, I pay $60 a month.

I also considered the HTC Touch Pro from Sprint
Positive: Camera flash, comes with video recording out of the box
Negative: A bit heavier; its 528 mhz CPU runs Winmo 6.1 fine, but a bit less responsive than the G1 (which has the same CPU running a lighter OS)

And the iPhone from ATT
Positive: Lighter and thinner, been around longer so once jailbroken, there's more apps for it (like video camera)
Negative: Worse camera, more restrictive dev environment (IMO android has better potential for future apps), no physical keyboard

Ultimately, it came down to T-Mobile being cheapest as the deciding factor. The G1's open source geek hobbyist appeal and me gambling on Android's open environment effect on future apps were also lesser factors.

Beware, T-mobile's 3G network is new, and their coverage area is limited to a handful of certain metropolitan areas right now. Check your coverage.

Also, T-mobile's UMTS frequencies are 1700 and 2100 mhz, while ATT's phones are compatible with the rest of the world's 1900 and 2100 mhz. So your G1 won't get 3G (you will still get EDGE) in most foreign countries, while the iPhone can.

How can anyone argue against the Sony Ericsson W902?

Cause it's an unsubsidised phone in the US. If you want any of the latest smartphones, you're pretty much limited to the touchscreen iPhone types (or a Blackberry). Anything else you have to buy unlocked for more moneys.

[-Jotun]

Btw, read my previous post for info about the amazing G1 but I must say this:

After being with AT&T for a year and a half and them overcharging me and their customer service being absolute shit.... I can deal with having 2g in some areas with 3g main with T-Mobile.

Tmobile = Cheap as a motherfucker in comparision, great coverage, 3g speeds (actually faster than at&t's old 3g setup), HIGHER CAP (10GB instead of 5GB for power users like me) not to mention their customer service is fucking FANTASTIC.

They don't bitch or complain, are helpful as hell. They gave me 250 bonus minutes just because a tower was down and I called them.

AT&T said well, your phone you should buy a new one and thanks for wasting 130 a month on the same services.

I wouldn't leave T-Mobile unless they became absolutely terrible like AT&T. Only Verizon I would consider, but even they charge for EVERY little thing, yet T-Mobile welcomes it for free. (modem tethering, built in gps for free, etc).

btw, to the people who haven't even used a G1 you cannot knock it. It's only been out FOR TWO MONTHS, in comparision to every other consumer smartphone. Just wait until the hardware on the Android gets better and bigger, the programs will be open wide and make Apple wish they weren't such fucking assholes to developers. I can't wait, I already see over 100 free programs in a month period since Android's release, and all I need to look for now is new hardware. Android will just get better, and better... and better.

[Bloody blade]

Btw, read my previous post for info about the amazing G1 but I must say this:

After being with AT&T for a year and a half and them overcharging me and their customer service being absolute shit.... I can deal with having 2g in some areas with 3g main with T-Mobile.

Tmobile = Cheap as a motherfucker in comparision, great coverage, 3g speeds (actually faster than at&t's old 3g setup), HIGHER CAP (10GB instead of 5GB for power users like me) not to mention their customer service is fucking FANTASTIC.

They don't bitch or complain, are helpful as hell. They gave me 250 bonus minutes just because a tower was down and I called them.

AT&T said well, your phone you should buy a new one and thanks for wasting 130 a month on the same services.

I wouldn't leave T-Mobile unless they became absolutely terrible like AT&T. Only Verizon I would consider, but even they charge for EVERY little thing, yet T-Mobile welcomes it for free. (modem tethering, built in gps for free, etc).

btw, to the people who haven't even used a G1 you cannot knock it. It's only been out FOR TWO MONTHS, in comparision to every other consumer smartphone. Just wait until the hardware on the Android gets better and bigger, the programs will be open wide and make Apple wish they weren't such fucking assholes to developers. I can't wait, I already see over 100 free programs in a month period since Android's release, and all I need to look for now is new hardware. Android will just get better, and better... and better.

Thanks for that post, that was really helpful. :)

[BLACKWATCH]

Blackberry storm,
easy video play, great sound, easy to use your own ring tones, pics for wallpaper, and
the best covarage in the usa (I tested it). the most constant bandwidth and call quality.

Downside Temporary lack of a selection of app's (that will change.)
A slight glitch in the handling of bluetooth connections (repaired next update) and a tinnier
sound from the speaker (also addressed in the next updated software.
A slow auto focusing camera button, also to be addressed by a update.

But extremely easy ring tone, wallpaper changing ,make and load them your self..

Plus Blackberrys outstanding web and email handling..

Not a huge selecton of cases, yet, but a lot of designer silicon and hard shells, plus
a lot of screen protecters .

Plus a nice 8 gig micro sd card you can write to and erase from window explore (fast!)

Also has rev "a" broadband for those who like to tether there phone to a laptop or desktop (works fast an well).

No wi fi yet.... or planed so thats a downer....