Need help regarding 64 bit graphics card compatibility

[Slithy]

Im buying this hp desktop for 480$:

Processor & Memory:

Intel® Pentium® Dual-Core Processor E2200 at 2.2GHz
* 1MB L2 cache
* 800MHz Front Side Bus
* 2GB DDR2 SDRAM memory (2 x 1GB, shared)

Drives:

* 250GB (7,200RPM) SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
* LightScribe 16x max DVD±RW drive with double layer support

Graphics & Video:

* HP w1907 19" diagonal widescreen flat panel monitor with BrightView Technology and integrated speakers
* Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 3100 (integrated)

Communications:

* 10/100 network interface
* 56k modem

Audio:

* Integrated 5.1 channel capable sound w/ front audio ports

Keyboard & Mouse:

* HP Multimedia Keyboard
* HP Optical Mouse

Expandability (Total Slots):

* HP Pocket Media Drive Bay
* Total memory slots: 2 DIMM
* 1 x PCIe x16
* 2 x PCIe x1
* 1 x PCI

Ports:

* Front panel 15-in-1 memory card reader: supports SmartMedia, xD, MultiMedia Card, Secure Digital (SD), Mini Secure Digital, Compact Flash I, Compact Flash II, IBM Microdrive, Memory Stick, Memory Stick Pro, Memory Stick Duo, Memory Stick Pro Duo, RSMMC, MMC Mobile, MMC+
* Front headphone and mic ports
* 6 USB 2.0 ports (2 Front, 4 Back)
* 2x PS/2
* RJ-45 (LAN)

Operating System:

* Microsoft® Windows Vista Home Premium (32-bit)

Additional Software:

* Microsoft Works 9.0
* Symantec™ Norton Internet Security™ 2008 (60 days complimentary live updates)

Additional Information:

* CPU Dimensions: 16.3" D x 6.9" W x 15.2" H
* Power Supply: 250W






I don't know anything about computers but the question is: Can I replace the bad graphics card with a Nvidia graphics card? I heard that 64 bit cards don't work with a 32 bit operating system. I really don't know what I'm talking about but all the good graphics cards on a site all say 64 bit on it.

[ThirdEye]

No. Stop! Stop right there.

Never buy piece of shit built computers, especially HP. Build it yourself. It'll not only cost you less but you'll get way better specs.

www.newegg.com

[Bombay1361]

never ever buy a brand name computer...That is a golden rule when buying a computer esp. for gaming.

One thing that happens with HP that I know of, is when you start upgrading your computer more and more...mainly the motherboard you will be unable to use the windows that comes with the computer. When i had an HP 10 years ago i rebuilt it from the bottom up and used the hard drive but i couldn't get the windows to work because I wasn't using the HP hardware. This shows that they suck.

[Tzacharu]

Yes, I believe you can put a new graphics card into your system. You'd need a graphics card that fits into one of your PCIe slots.

Also, I don't think it matters what bit video card you own. I don't think there is a such thing as a 64 bit graphics card these days. Mine is a 256 bit. Could you link me to the site you are referring to?

Though you will definitely have trouble running your computer with that power supply. 250 watts will not run any games like Darkfall on good graphics settings.

Overall, the computer is just plain awful. It's not going to run much of anything. If you really want to buy a computer for less than 500 bucks that can run games today, go to newegg.com and buy the parts separate and build it yourself. It's not as difficult as you think, just Google some guides, they are VERY helpful. That computer is not going to run any of today's games.

[Sargon]

Yeah, Slithy, take everyone's advice that you're going to get. Never, ever, ever, ever buy a brand name pre-manufactured PC! There are plenty of people who can walk you through building your first computer on this forum in baby steps, it's not very hard to do. You just need a screwdriver.

A 250w PSU won't even run most good graphics cards, and "64 bit graphics card compatibility" is a kind of silly request, they're all compatible with 64-bit graphics.

[Slithy]

Yeah, Slithy, take everyone's advice that you're going to get. Never, ever, ever, ever buy a brand name pre-manufactured PC! There are plenty of people who can walk you through building your first computer on this forum in baby steps, it's not very hard to do. You just need a screwdriver.

A 250w PSU won't even run most good graphics cards, and "64 bit graphics card compatibility" is a kind of silly request, they're all compatible with 64-bit graphics.

i'm just afraid that I'll mess up or buy the wrong thing and then i'll be stuck with nothing :(

are there any computers out there 500-600$ that could run games like DF at least on low settings?

[Tzacharu]

i'm just afraid that I'll mess up or buy the wrong thing and then i'll be stuck with nothing :(

are there any computers out there 500-600$ that could run games like DF at least on low settings?

You'll be hard pressed to find one.. You can build one for that much though.

You won't mess up as long as you follow directions.. Just be careful and make sure to be grounded when dealing with computer equipment, electric shocks can destroy some computer parts.

If you do decide to make a computer, post the parts that you're thinking of buying here and we'll make sure that it will work. There are plenty of people that know a thing or two about computers here.

EDIT: If you're using the same computer as you used to play the games according to your profile (http://forums.darkfallonline.com/member.php?u=173719), you should be able to play Darkfall on minimum settings.

[Viluin]

Just put it together yourself, it is NOT hard. Just look up some info on the internet to see where everything goes and you're all set. You will be able to build a good gaming computer for $600 like this. We can help you pick the parts.



One thing that happens with HP that I know of, is when you start upgrading your computer more and more...mainly the motherboard you will be unable to use the windows that comes with the computer. When i had an HP 10 years ago i rebuilt it from the bottom up and used the hard drive but i couldn't get the windows to work because I wasn't using the HP hardware. This shows that they suck.

Sigh.. you're always supposed to reformat when replacing your motherboard. Obviously the hard-drive with the HP Windows install on it won't work in your new system.

[Slithy]

I'm just nervous because I have zero experience in building computers and how to install the vista package or whatever it's called

[Viluin]

I'm just nervous because I have zero experience in building computers and how to install the vista package or whatever it's called

Lol, if you can't install Vista you might want to get yourself checked out, the damn thing nearly installs itself. The only "hard" part is copying a few files (SATA drivers) to a floppy, inserting it in your new PC and pressing f6 at the beginning of the Windows installer.

[Tzacharu]

I'm just nervous because I have zero experience in building computers and how to install the vista package or whatever it's called

Well you won't have any experience until you try. It'll save you thousands of dollars over your life time, especially if you continue gaming.

I'm going to be building my first computer in about a month. I'll be saving over 800 dollars because I'm building it. It's well worth it, even if you get stuck on a few steps.

Installing Vista shouldn't be a problem. Just call the Vista service up if you get any problems. They should be well experienced in answering questions after the hell hole Vista went through at launch.

[AngusFinch]

Just save yourself a lot of hassle and find any decent computer with at least a dual core AMD processor with an GeForce 6800 or better. There's plenty of brand names like that in your price range. That'll run DF and any game within its era.

[Jezrith]

I'm just nervous because I have zero experience in building computers and how to install the vista package or whatever it's called

These websites are all you need.

http://www.build-your-own-computers.com/
http://www.tomshardware.com
http://www.google.com (in case you get stuck on anything, searching Google is your friend)

[DrGreenThumb]

i'm just afraid that I'll mess up or buy the wrong thing and then i'll be stuck with nothing :(

are there any computers out there 500-600$ that could run games like DF at least on low settings?

you could most probably buy a computer for that much and run darkfall on high,if you build/buy the parts yourself.

if your going intel,you would be on a 775 socket for you mobo and your cpu,check on the mobo what ram it can take,such as ddr 2 at 800mhz.for a gpu,again pcie,and a resonable 8800 somewhere,or plump for a 4850 maybe.

But you will need a new psu,so that would be more money,however,buy a well known make one,research it a little,with cost. a decent 400-500 watt psu from a good brand should do the job.

so,cpu about £40,mobo about £45,gpu varies on make-4850 around £100,or find a bargain maybe on some 8800's if you can find one ( i got a 8800gt for £45,i had to for that price)

but the cost will be more if you need to get,a,a new hdd,b,a case,c,a fresh OS.

hope this helped.

[Slithy]

Just save yourself a lot of hassle and find any decent computer with at least a dual core AMD processor with an GeForce 6800 or better. There's plenty of brand names like that in your price range. That'll run DF and any game within its era.

Yeah this is the answer I was looking for because I'd like to save time and not risk anything.

This computer for 418.99$ would be decent right?

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/load_configuration.do?oid=9851075&landing=desktops&destination=review

[BlueElf]

The card itself doesnt matter. Whether you choose ATI or Nvidia.

All you will need to do id download the proper drivers, 32 bit or 64 bit and you are good to go.

The main thing with 64bit OS is that the CPU itself is capable (which any modern CPU should be)

[Slithy]

The card itself doesnt matter. Whether you choose ATI or Nvidia.

All you will need to do id download the proper drivers, 32 bit or 64 bit and you are good to go.

The main thing with 64bit OS is that the CPU itself is capable (which any modern CPU should be)

Thanks that is helpful, can you also answer my other question on the bottom of the first page? I'll also copy and paste it here.









This is what I said

Just save yourself a lot of hassle and find any decent computer with at least a dual core AMD processor with an GeForce 6800 or better. There's plenty of brand names like that in your price range. That'll run DF and any game within its era.

Yeah this is the answer I was looking for because I'd like to save time and not risk anything.

This computer for 418.99$ would be decent right? It can be customized so I can add more RAM

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/load_configuration.do?oid=9851075&landing=desktops&destination=review

I'm gonna start a new thread

[Viluin]

Yeah this is the answer I was looking for because I'd like to save time and not risk anything.

This computer for 418.99$ would be decent right?

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/load_configuration.do?oid=9851075&landing=desktops&destination=review

It's also the wrong answer, lol.. The Geforce 6800, damn, when I bought one of those 2.5 years ago it was already outdated.

You're probably not gonna find a prebuilt computer for under $600 that'll offer decent gaming performance. Sure you can run Darkfall, but your gaming performance could double if you built your own. For $600 you could probably squeeze a Radeon HD4830 in there, which is infinitely better than any graphics card that comes with prebuilt PCs in that price range. It'd probably run Darkfall all maxed out.

There's a reason why people don't build computers with low graphics settings in mind. It's just not worth it, you'll save $50-70 at most while getting less than half the gaming performance, possibly less than a quarter. You can scrap out all high-performance parts and turn it into an office computer, which is worth it in some cases, but that won't be enough for Darkfall.

[Slithy]

It's also the wrong answer, lol.. The Geforce 6800, damn, when I bought one of those 2.5 years ago it was already outdated.

You're probably not gonna find a prebuilt computer for under $600 that'll offer decent gaming performance. Sure you can run Darkfall, but your gaming performance could double if you built your own. For $600 you could probably squeeze a Radeon HD4830 in there, which is infinitely better than any graphics card that comes with prebuilt PCs in that price range. It'd probably run Darkfall all maxed out.

There's a reason why people don't build computers with low / medium graphics settings in mind. It's just not worth it, you'll save $50-70 at most while getting less than half the gaming performance. You can scrap out all high-performance parts and turn it into an office computer, which is worth it in some cases, but that won't be enough for Darkfall.

I'm not worried about playing on all high settings, low will do fine. I also don't want to risk anything and build my own - buying one all setup together will save time and be easier.

[Viluin]

I'm not worried about playing on all high settings, low will do fine. I also don't want to risk anything and build my own - buying one all setup together will save time and be easier.

Buy prebuilt - play on low with possibly bad framerates.

Build your own - play on high with good framerates.

For the same price, it's a no-brainer.. I don't think this is about saving time, I think you're afraid to build a computer even though it's really easy. Putting together a computer only takes an hour, max. The delivery of individual parts is usually faster than a prebuilt computer (I've heard stories of people having to wait weeks for their "customized" prebuilt PC to arrive, vs. 1-2 days for computer parts), so you'd save time building your own.

[nathanpinard]

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/

Try going here if you want a pre-built. You can customize the parts yourself, and it actually is way cheaper than other outlets.

[Viluin]

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/

Try going here if you want a pre-built. You can customize the parts yourself, and it actually is way cheaper than other outlets.

Isn't that the place that charges $500 for 4GB of DDR2-1066 RAM that can be found on Newegg for $80? :lmao:

[nathanpinard]

I have no idea. It's just most build your own sites, decent gaming comps are way higher prices.

Here's a small rig I thought up on there:

* CASE: ATX MEDIUM TOWER CASE 350 WATT (BLACK COLOR)
* CPU: (Sckt775)Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E8400 CPU @ 3.0GHz 1333FSB 6MB L2 Cache 64-bit
* MOTHERBOARD: Gigabyte GA-EG31M-S2 Intel G31 Chipset LGA775 FSB1333 DDR2 Mainboard
* MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)2GB (2x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory (Corsair or Major Brand)
* VIDEO CARD: ATI Radeon HD 4870 PCI-E 16X 512MB DDR5 Video Card (Major Brand Powered by ATI)
* VIDEO CARD 2: NONE
* VIDEO CARD 3: NONE
* LCD Monitor: NONE
* HARD DRIVE: Single Hard Drive (320GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)
* Data Hard Drive: NONE
* Optical Drive: (Special Price) LG 20X DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE DUAL LAYER (BLACK COLOR)
* Optical Drive 2: NONE
* SOUND: 3D WAVE ON-BOARD 5.1 SOUND CARD

It went for around $800, no monitor.

[Viluin]

I have no idea. It's just most build your own sites, decent gaming comps are way higher prices.

Here's a small rig I thought up on there:

* CASE: ATX MEDIUM TOWER CASE 350 WATT (BLACK COLOR)
* CPU: (Sckt775)Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E8400 CPU @ 3.0GHz 1333FSB 6MB L2 Cache 64-bit
* MOTHERBOARD: Gigabyte GA-EG31M-S2 Intel G31 Chipset LGA775 FSB1333 DDR2 Mainboard
* MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)2GB (2x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory (Corsair or Major Brand)
* VIDEO CARD: ATI Radeon HD 4870 PCI-E 16X 512MB DDR5 Video Card (Major Brand Powered by ATI)
* VIDEO CARD 2: NONE
* VIDEO CARD 3: NONE
* LCD Monitor: NONE
* HARD DRIVE: Single Hard Drive (320GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)
* Data Hard Drive: NONE
* Optical Drive: (Special Price) LG 20X DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE DUAL LAYER (BLACK COLOR)
* Optical Drive 2: NONE
* SOUND: 3D WAVE ON-BOARD 5.1 SOUND CARD

It went for around $800, no monitor.

2GB of RAM = fail, you'll definitely want 4GB if you're building a gaming computer at this time.

350watt PSU = fail (Quite literally, that thing will fail).

The motherboard is also cheapass.

[nathanpinard]

2GB of RAM = fail, you'll definitely want 4GB if you're building a gaming computer at this time.

350watt PSU = fail (Quite literally, that thing will fail).

The motherboard is also cheapass.

It must've not updated on some parts. I put a 650w PSU on the setup.

Anyway, he was looking for a cheap solution that was already built. Seems this site is the best way to do that, due to the large amount of configurable options.

[Viluin]

It must've not updated on some parts. I put a 650w PSU on the setup.

Anyway, he was looking for a cheap solution that was already built. Seems this site is the best way to do that, due to the large amount of configurable options.

Well, he also mentioned time restrictions, and I doubt CyberPowerPC will assemble his computer and get it to his doorstep within 2 weeks.

[epicor]

Just so you know: 64bit graphics would be equal to an N64. I think 007 was the most realistic game i saw on that system. You dont want something that will max at 64bits.

As for systems you can upgrade I would recommend gateway. They (at least used to when i sold them) have no problems upgrading to whatever hardware you wanted. The only mfger that i have seen limit it is HP in fact. Though the apps CDs for toshiba on work on toshibas. But you can load other OSes and such on them.

[Slithy]

I checked that site out, it's really good.

I'm gonna get this one for sure - it's a cyberpower pc on newegg and the delivery time problem is solved as newegg ships faster than cyberpowerpc.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229028

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[Bombay1361]

if you are so afraid to put it together yourself, make a custom computer at cyberpowerpc.com Then you will just have to pay a couple hundred more in labor.

[Viluin]

I checked that site out, it's really good.

I'm gonna get this one for sure - it's a cyberpower pc on newegg and the delivery time problem is solved as newegg ships faster than cyberpowerpc.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229028

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Do as you wish.. My PC would cost less money than that now, and it has roughly 2-3+ times the graphical power and twice the amount of RAM. But you won't listen. :(

[Slithy]

Do as you wish.. My PC would cost less money than that now, and it has roughly 2-3+ times the graphical power and twice the amount of RAM. But you won't listen. :(

I have more to risk than others because I'm on a veryyy limited budget and I'll be screwified and I mess anything up. I don't mind paying a bit extra and get a new desktop at a 99.9% chance

[Viluin]

I have more to risk than others because I'm on a veryyy limited budget and I'll be screwified and I mess anything up. I don't mind paying a bit extra and get a new desktop at a 99.9% chance

More like paying twice as much. ;) Besides, you can't really break anything when building a PC unless you drop your CPU on the floor and stand on it.

[lordofkarma]

look people the guy said times and times again he's too retarded to operate a phillips screwdriver.. let him buy his dell shit and get on with it.

[Daccus]

I have more to risk than others because I'm on a veryyy limited budget and I'll be screwified and I mess anything up. I don't mind paying a bit extra and get a new desktop at a 99.9% chance

At least buy a barebones setup and you can just plug the RAM, CPU and Video card into it. You'd still save way more than if you bought that hunk of garbage.

[Durindana]

I checked that site out, it's really good.

I'm gonna get this one for sure - it's a cyberpower pc on newegg and the delivery time problem is solved as newegg ships faster than cyberpowerpc.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229028

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/thread. Just buy that and be done with it... tbh you could prob squeeze a third to 50% better performance by rolling your own, but clearly that's not a route you want to go. Also you get vista at a large discount to OEM I'm guessing on that thing.

That cyberpower box isn't all that bad - just don't under any circumstances buy that piece of ass you linked first

[Sykeo]

/thread. Just buy that and be done with it... tbh you could prob squeeze a third to 50% better performance by rolling your own, but clearly that's not a route you want to go. Also you get vista at a large discount to OEM I'm guessing on that thing.

That cyberpower box isn't all that bad - just don't under any circumstances buy that piece of ass you linked first

Cyberpower is horriable pc's they are built poorley

most reviews state how the motherboards come dead or all the wires loose and need to redo wiring...

Most the parts are subpar and are cheap inimations of quality parts.

Building your pc is easy and it will save you more money in long run.

If you can put a model car together you can build a pc.

You do not need to buy in bulk to get OEM software...

OEM software just means you won't get technical support from Microsoft.