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Ezion
11-08-2008, 21:03
My current gaming laptop is old and dieing (4 years) and I'm looking into a new computer for upcoming games. I want something that'll allow for good upgradeability, potential for overclocking, and will run current games at good speed/quality.

The list below is what I came up with after a few hours of digging around NewEgg. My target price $1400, including monitor, and buying all of the required parts.
As a side note, I already have a 5.1 surround sound system and reciever.

Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P Motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358)
Dimensions: 12.0" x 9.6"
Memory Slots: 4×240pin
Memory Standard: DDR2 1333
PCI Express 2.0 x16: 2 x PCI Express 2.0 x16
(one running at x16 model, another one running at x8 model)
PCI Express x1: 3
PCI Slots: 2
PATA: 1 x ATA100 2 Dev. Max
SATA 3Gb/s: 8
PS/2: 2
USB: 8 x USB 2.0
IEEE 1394: 2 x IEEE 1394a
S/PDIF Out: 1x Optical, 1x Coaxial
Audio Ports: 6
$136.99

Intel Core 2 Duo BX80570E8400 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037)
Operating Frequency: 3.0GHz
$164.99

ASUS EAH4850/HTDI/1G (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121278)
GPU: Radeon HD 4850
Core clock: 625MHz
Memory Size: 1GB
$199.99

OCZ Platinum OCZ2P10664GK (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227298)
Capacity: 4GB (2 x 2GB)
Speed: DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)
Cas Latency: 5
Timing: 5-5-5-18
$85.99

Corsair CMPSU-750TX Power Supply (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006)
Type: ATX12V / EPS12V
Maximum Power: 750W
Fans: Thermally controlled 140mm fan
Main Connector: 20+4Pin
+12V Rails: Single
PCI-E Connectors: 4 x 6+2Pin
$119.99

Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102006)
Channels: 7.1
Digital Audio: 24-bit
$90.99

Samsung Spinpoint F1 HD322HJ (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152096)
Interface: SATA 3.0Gb/s
Capacity: 320GB
RPM: 7200
Cache: 16MB
Average Seek Time: 8.9ms
Average Latency: 4.17ms
$54.99

ACER P243WAid Monitor (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009125)
Screen Size: 24"
Widescreen: Yes
Maximum Resolution: 1920 x 1200
Viewing Angle: 160°(H) / 160°(V)
Response Time: 2ms(GTG)
$319.99

Vista Home 64-Bit (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116488)
$99.99

Subtotal: $1,273.91

I'm still searching for a good mid-tower atx case that'll fit the motherboard. I'm also wondering if the sound card will be worth it, especially since I've heard bad things about Creative soundcards and Vista.

Any of the more tech-savvy forumfall denizens have suggestions?

antihero-zero
11-08-2008, 21:30
The GPU is not the way I'd go.

Also, soundblaster = shitty 64-bit support and way overpriced.

Are you planning to crossfire it? I think it's a waste of money and you're better off putting dollars into 1 superior card, but the infidels who already have purchased crossfire will flame me to protect their investment.

Ezion
11-08-2008, 21:34
The GPU is not the way I'd go.

Also, soundblaster = shitty 64-bit support and way overpriced.

Are you planning to crossfire it? I think it's a waste of money and you're better off putting dollars into 1 superior card, but the infidels who already have purchased crossfire will flame me to protect their investment.

I wasn't really planning on crossfiring it, all the components in the list are single items. I've heard one superior card is the way to go, and that card seemed to do decently in benchmarks given its price. What card would you go with?

(*Notes spelling mistakes in main post. Argh!)

Eclipso
11-08-2008, 21:38
just browsing over it ... it seems good to me... mind you i would not get into the details because it is very very boring ( for everyone)

do you like it?
is that what you think you will need and/or want?


Itss a PC so yeah yeah .... if you do not like something then change it , but a new part , sell the old one = win win

Tzacharu
11-08-2008, 21:38
I would go for a lower end CPU.. I don't really think you need a 160 dollar one for gaming. The motherboard is pretty expensive too. Get a cheaper mobo and CPU and use that money and buy a HD 4870 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161236). Only 50 bucks (30 after mail in rebate) more and a bit better than the 4850.

Also, this is the case I will be buying: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811103021

Its cheap and has great airflow according to the reviews. Just thought I'd give you a suggestion.

Zerby
11-08-2008, 21:45
I'd suggest changing the RAM's to less expensive model, if you're not going to overclock much. There's not much speed difference between low price 800mhz and high priced 1066mhz, just that the more expensive RAM's are better for overlocking.

Also, Western Digital 640GB Hard Drive is really cheap considering it's size, so if you think you could spend a little more (Like the bucks you save from changing the RAM ;)) and need space, check you that one.

I'd also suggest getting an 4870. As you're buying a monitor with 1920 X 1200 max res, get the 1GB version.

I've also heard some good experiences from Asus P5Q Pro motherboard (Or the normal, Pro has Crossfire, normal version is bit cheaper), but that Gigabyte will do fine too if you're not that picky on price.

EDIT: Oh, and that PSU is HIGHLY over the needs for those parts. Quality 500W will do fine, but if you're going to Crossfire 4870 in near future, then you could go with that 750W one.

Salaman
11-08-2008, 21:46
Yeah I'd definitely get at least the HD 4870 if you're going for a 24" 1920x1200 monitor since the high resolution puts more demand on your graphics card.

Metal Wolf
11-08-2008, 22:16
Look at the Hiper Osiris case or if you've got the cash the lan li tyr.

Raidmax has a neat looking case coming out in a month or so, but no name yet and no price info. It'll probably be called the Reactor though.

Also Newegg has a NV 260 going for 200. Thats got more umph than a single 4850 for the same price. Its a rebate offer though.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127361

Ezion
11-08-2008, 22:31
I thought the mobo was one of the cheaper ones that could be OC'd? I'm assuming quad core will come into usage sooner or later, so I was trying to hold onto that upgrade compatibility. Would it be better to get a cheap mobo and upgrade it when the need arises?

The recommendations for a 4870 1gb (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121277) have been taken. I'll probably go with it, but it is $70 more.

I see that someone shot down the sound card. What about sound cards in general? I've got a 5.1 system, it seems like it'd be a shame not to utilize it.

My idea with the machine was that I'd start overclocking it as games become more intensive and I actually need to.

As for the PSU, I don't want to take any chances, because I know you can easily screw up your machine if it's not getting adequate power. Can anyone vouch for some lower priced PSUs?

Mo0rbid
11-08-2008, 22:42
mega overkill PSU

lordofkarma
11-08-2008, 22:49
for like 20$ more you can have a Q6600 .. i dunno why you wouldnt go there for a processor but buy a 120$ PSU and also only drop 120$ on a mobo.. cut the PSU price in half and put the budget in the mobo and better CPU

and the monitor .. 24'' is nice and overkill. the only reason to upgrade to 22''+ is for the 1050 resolution .. which you can get with a 22'' from asus for 170$

the graphic card is ATI ..

and you know you can get vista ultimate 64bit from a torrent right ? with updates and all

alfaroverall
11-08-2008, 22:53
Why the hell would you buy a 1 GB 4870? That extra 512 MB of memory will never go to use, and the 512 MB model is worlds above the 4850. That's the main change I'd make to that rig, however you could do it, though the sound card, monitor, and to a lesser extent the PSU seem like overkill.

Edit: I might be wrong about the 4870 at fricking 1920x1200...though that's an absurd resolution to be at. Really, you won't see the difference until your screen is 40 inches or more, imo.

Ezion
11-08-2008, 23:01
Based on this (http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000942.html) study, I was under the impression that dual core was better than quad core, at least for game performance vs. buck.

Salaman
11-08-2008, 23:02
and you know you can get vista ultimate 64bit from a torrent right ? with updates and all

Um, those are illegal copies. Might as well suggest doing away with the whole paying for stuff plan entirely and tell him to go rob a Best Buy for his new computer. :rolleyes:

Daccus
11-08-2008, 23:13
I own a Palit Radeon 4850 and I have to say I'm not happy with it, I'm regretting not going with Nvidia. I see way too much tearing on the screen and the quality just doesn't seem that great to me. I was almost happier with my 8800GTS 320MB on lower settings. Maybe I just got a lemon, but I'm not impressed.

You can spend slightly more and get a 9800 GTX+ which, with the latest drivers will outperform the 4850 or you can buy the GeForce GTX 260 for a bit more than that and really enjoy gaming.

alfaroverall
11-08-2008, 23:17
I own a Palit Radeon 4850 and I have to say I'm not happy with it, I'm regretting not going with Nvidia. I see way too much tearing on the screen and the quality just doesn't seem that great to me. I was almost happier with my 8800GTS 320MB on lower settings. Maybe I just got a lemon, but I'm not impressed.

You can spend slightly more and get a 9800 GTX+ which, with the latest drivers will outperform the 4850 or you can buy the GeForce GTX 260 for a bit more than that and really enjoy gaming.
Or you can get a 4870 which is about the same as a GTX 260.

Daccus
11-08-2008, 23:22
Or you can get a 4870 which is about the same as a GTX 260.

You could that too, but I haven't had much luck with Radeon in the past 8 years, so I wasn't going promote buying anything from them.

Zerby
11-08-2008, 23:34
Why the hell would you buy a 1 GB 4870? That extra 512 MB of memory will never go to use, and the 512 MB model is worlds above the 4850. That's the main change I'd make to that rig, however you could do it, though the sound card, monitor, and to a lesser extent the PSU seem like overkill.

Edit: I might be wrong about the 4870 at fricking 1920x1200...though that's an absurd resolution to be at. Really, you won't see the difference until your screen is 40 inches or more, imo.

It's excatly because of that resolution.

Viluin
11-09-2008, 00:13
Daccus: You seem to be unhappy with your HD4850 due to excessive screen tearing. Ironically, this is because the card is performing too well. Raise the graphical settings in the game. If that's not possible, enable V-sync. You're experiencing screen tearing because the card is producing a framerate that's higher than the refresh rate of your monitor. V-sync syncs your framerate to the refresh rate of your monitor, or a certain fraction of it. However, only enable V-sync when absolutely necessary, because it can and will lower performance (Sometimes noticeably).

The HD4830, HD4850 and HD4870 are all great buys depending on your budget. However, I recommend you wait for the DF beta to start so you can see how the game runs on certain systems and base your purchase on that.

Metal Wolf
11-09-2008, 00:42
Why the hell would you buy a 1 GB 4870? That extra 512 MB of memory will never go to use, and the 512 MB model is worlds above the 4850. That's the main change I'd make to that rig, however you could do it, though the sound card, monitor, and to a lesser extent the PSU seem like overkill.


Edit: I might be wrong about the 4870 at fricking 1920x1200...though that's an absurd resolution to be at. Really, you won't see the difference until your screen is 40 inches or more, imo.

Actually there are showing that Farcry2 and crisis warhead are already showing a difference in speeds based on memory size alone. and not at massive never going to play at resolutions either. So its quite likely that games coming out after them will show similar trends.


I own a Palit Radeon 4850 and I have to say I'm not happy with it, I'm regretting not going with Nvidia. I see way too much tearing on the screen and the quality just doesn't seem that great to me. I was almost happier with my 8800GTS 320MB on lower settings. Maybe I just got a lemon, but I'm not impressed.

You can spend slightly more and get a 9800 GTX+ which, with the latest drivers will outperform the 4850 or you can buy the GeForce GTX 260 for a bit more than that and really enjoy gaming.


Or you can get a 4870 which is about the same as a GTX 260.

Did no one bother to notice the gtx260 I linked for exactly the same price as a 4850? Not gonna mention that again retards.

Viluin
11-09-2008, 00:46
Did no one bother to notice the gtx260 I linked for exactly the same price as a 4850? Not gonna mention that again retards.

That card costs $200 after a MIR. You can get an HD4850 for a little as $140, so it's hardly the same price. Also, the card you linked is an old 192-core GTX260, which really isn't that much better than the HD4850. It's worse than the HD4870, which costs $220 after MIR.

Metal Wolf
11-09-2008, 00:49
That card costs $200 after a MIR. You can get an HD4850 for a little as $140, so it's hardly the same price. Also, the card you linked is an old 192-core GTX260, which really isn't that much better than the HD4850. It's worse than the HD4870, which costs $220 after MIR.

Not the 1Gb version of the 4850 I've only seen those for 180.
And from what I've seen the 260 and 4870 are comparable within 5 to 10 fps. Thats pretty damn close and it depends on who made the game engine. Anything crysis backed is NV favored pretty decently.

Viluin
11-09-2008, 00:50
Not the 1Gb version of the 4850 I've only seen those for 180.

The extra memory is useless unless you're running at insane resolutions (Above 1920x1200). And when you're doing that you'll want a better GPU anyway.

antihero-zero
11-09-2008, 00:51
I'd go with a reputable company for an 8800 Nvidia or better, but avoid the off numbers for GPU RAM, like 320 and 6x shit. Also, GPU RAM is important, so off numbers aside, go for the larger quantity when available.

Galadourn
11-09-2008, 00:53
for ~30$ more you can get a 4870. I'd go for that one (seeing as you selected a 1GB 4850 which is almost same price)

Metal Wolf
11-09-2008, 00:53
The extra memory is useless unless you're running at insane resolutions (Above 1920x1200). And when you're doing that you'll want a better GPU anyway.

Like I said before farcry2 is showing a difference at 1600x between 512 and 1Gb cards. So following games likely will too.

Its just my personal way but I like to build for a year down the road as best I can under $2,000.

Viluin
11-09-2008, 00:55
Like I said before farcry2 is showing a difference at 1600x between 512 and 1Gb cards. So following games likely will too.

Its just my personal way but I like to build for a year down the road as best I can under $2,000.

The difference probably isn't very noticeable.

If you want a future proof system, I can only imagine how long a HD4870X2 will last. I forgot which one, but there was a game where it managed a 60FPS avg at 2560x1600, where the GTX 280 only managed 30 FPS. A similar trend could be seen in all other games.

Metal Wolf
11-09-2008, 00:59
Personally the system I'm gonna build for myself soon is gonna have one of Saphires 4850x2's in it as they have some numbers crazy close to the 4870x2's while probably being about $350 - 400, but thats double what he wants to put into his so I didn't suggest it. But its looking to be a completely badass card.

Viluin
11-09-2008, 01:00
Personally the system I'm gonna build for myself soon is gonna have one of Saphires 4850x2's in it as they have some numbers crazy close to the 4870x2's while probably being about $350 - 400, but thats double what he wants to put into his so I didn't suggest it. But its looking to be a completely badass card.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1646/sapphire_radeon_hd_4850_x2_in_crossfirex/index.html

They came to the conclusion that it wasn't worth it.

EDIT: ROFL. They changed that review! It said something else when I read it a few days ago. They said it was fairly expensive and didn't perform all that well, the HD4870X2 was a better buy.

Metal Wolf
11-09-2008, 01:04
I think that was in reference to the x2's in crossfire configuration, Which didn't do shit really with the drivers they have on them now. So they're right, just that they aren't talking about the card at that moment they are talking about two strapped together.

alfaroverall
11-09-2008, 01:07
Did no one bother to notice the gtx260 I linked for exactly the same price as a 4850? Not gonna mention that again retards.
This is heavily region-dependent, but obviously if you find a GTX 260 for the same price as a 4850, get the 260.

Protonix
11-09-2008, 01:13
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129025

leet case.

Ezion
11-09-2008, 01:24
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129025

leet case.

Thanks, just what I need. I've tweaked the stuff based on everyone's suggestions (downgraded the power supply, upgraded video card, etc). However, I still need a sound card, and I've got about $85. Assuming I can go a little over the $1400 mark, what's a good sound card that'll support my 5.1 system?

alfaroverall
11-09-2008, 01:25
Thanks, just what I need. I've tweaked the stuff based on everyone's suggestions (downgraded the power supply, upgraded video card, etc). However, I still need a sound card, and I've got about $85. Assuming I can go a little over the $1400 mark, what's a good sound card that'll support my 5.1 system?
Pretty much any non-integrated sound card will support 5.1, and some integrated ones will too. The Sound Blaster Audigy is about the cheapest sound card around and honestly, it does the job pretty damn well. If you want better, the X-Fi and such are good models as well.

antihero-zero
11-09-2008, 02:16
Many boards support 5.1 quite well. Better investment to just use one of those, in my opinion. I actually prefer them because they are software driven, which means when I plug in a jack some drivers let me choose which device I've just plugged in, ignoring color codes and allowing me not to dig around behind my PC to find them.

Viluin
11-09-2008, 02:16
Thanks, just what I need. I've tweaked the stuff based on everyone's suggestions (downgraded the power supply, upgraded video card, etc). However, I still need a sound card, and I've got about $85. Assuming I can go a little over the $1400 mark, what's a good sound card that'll support my 5.1 system?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102006

I highly recommend this card. It's fairly cheap, but it offers top of the line performance and sound quality. It'll also last many years, the sound card market is pretty slow.

I have the X-Fi XtremeMusic, which is basically identical to an XtremeGamer card but older (and bigger). It's the best computer-related purchase I've ever made. I got a huge performance boost from this card when running in 5.1 mode (Although I had a weaksauce Athlon XP 3000+ at that time, which had trouble handling 5.1 audio processing). The sound quality is also great. However, you won't really notice the extra quality if you have a crappy 5.1 set.


Many boards support 5.1 quite well. Better investment to just use one of those, in my opinion. I actually prefer them because they are software driven, which means when I plug in a jack some drivers let me choose which device I've just plugged in, ignoring color codes and allowing me not to dig around behind my PC to find them.

If you have a half-decent 5.1 surround sound set you'll love a good sound card. It even increases your framerate in games, because onboard chips use your CPU for audio processing.

BlueElf
11-09-2008, 02:19
X-Fi cards just fine in 64bit Vista, its all been fixed.
Just After you install it (comes with 2 discs 1 for xp 1 for vista) do update for the fixed drivers and control panel.

Everything works flawlessly.


The used to have issues but Creative got everything working well .. Alchemy, crystalizer everything.

Viluin
11-09-2008, 02:21
X-Fi cards just fine in 64bit Vista, its all been fixed.
Just After you install it (comes with 2 discs 1 for xp 1 for vista) do update for the fixed drivers and control panel.

Everything works flawlessly.


The used to have issues but Creative got everything working well .. Alchemy, crystalizer everything.

I'm using old drivers, and they work well too. I never quite understood what the problems were about.. I've never had any.

BlueElf
11-09-2008, 02:24
Yea, the newest ones get a few things working better like the Crystalizer etc .. but yes, even w/what comes with card it works fine.


On a side note, I have been hearing really good things about the Xonar cards. Though, I don't have one so I cant say .. but what Im hearing they do well in Vista as well.