The god who wasn't there.

[[LoD] EE]

The God who wasn't there Trailer (http://www.thegodmovie.com/trailer.php)

Searched and did not find any mention of it.

[paade]

someone made a movie out of religious interweb debates? Thats the picture i got from that.

[Crying Hyena]

Christianity is going to blast the movie and the people who need to see it will not go. It happens every time. I'll probably watch it but then I know most of what they are going to say.

[Morthor]

If you don't beleive in God, this is nothing you'll want waste your time on anyway. You've either heard it before, or just don't care.

[Killuminati]

oh god not this shit again

[[LoD] EE]

oh god not this shit again

Its Friday, its time for it again.

[verlox2]

Wow, Jesus, he doesn't really matter much. He had some good teachings but that was about the extent of him.

[Tharkon Fargor]

I love how those who dispute christianity for the lack of pure facts do so by themselves citing coincidence like that "Jesus wasn't the first profit".

Even the bible recognizes this.

What a bunch of fools.

[DocGonzo]

I love how those who dispute christianity for the lack of pure facts do so by themselves citing coincidence like that "Jesus wasn't the first profit".

Even the bible recognizes this.

What a bunch of fools.

that's prophet...wearing your Freudian slip today?

the problem is with dogma and theology of the church

take the simple test...

in the Synoptic Gospels (one eye) we have some interesting differences

was Yeshua born in a manger in town, or in the fields with shepherds?

two different gospels record Yeshua's last words on the cross...those words are not the same between the Books, why?

who decided what books were going to be in the OT, and who told him?

what day is the sabbath and why?

why do the Jewish, Catholic and Protestant versions of the Ten Commandments not match?

so much for the "Literalists"

[Fledrel]

I love how those who dispute christianity for the lack of pure facts do so by themselves citing coincidence like that "Jesus wasn't the first profit".

Even the bible recognizes this.

What a bunch of fools.

agreed
Although i must add a complete line or i might get a warning for posting a 1 liner...

[Gloomrender]

"that's prophet...wearing your Freudian slip today?"

Lol. He got done polishing his Mercedes bought with church donations before he decided to post in this thread. It's not his fault!

I love how those who dispute christianity for the lack of pure facts do so by themselves citing coincidence like that "Jesus wasn't the first profit".

Even the bible recognizes this.

What a bunch of fools.

You're missing the point...which was that the prophet archetype (the general idea) for Christianity was established in other religions well before Christianity came along. Christianity was just another religious cliche among dozens of other very similar religious concepts in that era.

[DocGonzo]

still waiting for the faith based reasoning of the rabid christoids to try and dispute the Scriptural facts i lad out...

i'll bet i wait until Lucifer has a hockey team

[forestchild]

If you don't beleive in God, this is nothing you'll want waste your time on anyway. You've either heard it before, or just don't care.

I belong in group that dont care:P

[nate4449]

that's prophet...wearing your Freudian slip today?

the problem is with dogma and theology of the church

take the simple test...

in the Synoptic Gospels (one eye) we have some interesting differences

was Yeshua born in a manger in town, or in the fields with shepherds?

two different gospels record Yeshua's last words on the cross...those words are not the same between the Books, why?

who decided what books were going to be in the OT, and who told him?

what day is the sabbath and why?

why do the Jewish, Catholic and Protestant versions of the Ten Commandments not match?

so much for the "Literalists"

Because they were translated/written by different people throughout history, whom may disagree with one another on stupid details and or be misusing their power/knowledge to benefit themselves?

Surely, you would expect some rather interesting differences after few thousand years of a book being rewritten/retranslated over and over again. The book has always been written by man, and therein lies the problem.


Anyways...did I win a cookie? Love the sig btw.

[Tharkon Fargor]

still waiting for the faith based reasoning of the rabid christoids to try and dispute the Scriptural facts i lad out...

i'll bet i wait until Lucifer has a hockey team

Seriously dude. It's like you're hoping to piss someone off.
Leave the insults behind for when they are really necessary.
You made a fool out of yourself by calling me a "moronic fucktard" for asking what "WinRAR" was while the title was exacly made in that way to make people interested in the topic.

But even if I am a complete noob who doesn't know what Winrar is doesn't mean you have any ground to go berzerk on me. Neither do you have any ground to randomly insult any christian on this forum.

[DocGonzo]

Because they were translated/written by different people throughout history, whom may disagree with one another on stupid details and or be misusing their power/knowledge to benefit themselves?

Surely, you would expect some rather interesting differences after few thousand years of a book being rewritten/retranslated over and over again. The book has always been written by man, and therein lies the problem.


Anyways...did I win a cookie? Love the sig btw.

thanks...

this is why i asked the Literalists, who think that EVERY letter in there is the "inspired" and infallible "Word of God"

you are getting warmer,tho...

------------------------> @

have a cookie for an honest try...

[DocGonzo]

Seriously dude. It's like you're hoping to piss someone off.
Leave the insults behind for when they are really necessary.
You made a fool out of yourself by calling me a "moronic fucktard" for asking what "WinRAR" was while the title was exacly made in that way to make people interested in the topic.

But even if I am a complete noob who doesn't know what Winrar is doesn't mean you have any ground to go berzerk on me. Neither do you have any ground to randomly insult any christian on this forum.

actually i have the fucking RIGHT to type anything i damn well please within the ToS

you fail yet again

i'll try not to troll your ass so hard, if you try hard not to spam multiple stupid threads in a day and learn2google for dumb ass questions rather than exposing your barely fuzzy nuts to the trolls of Forumfall

digital Lamarckian evolution in action...

yer welcome

[Tharkon Fargor]

Last reply from me to you: Grounds and Rights aren't the same things.

[Gibsnag]

As has been previously stated, its nothing new for people who don't believe in gods but people who do probably won't see it anyway.

Although if it has some Sam Harris in it might be worth a look-see, he is ftw.

[Caffy]

I find it amusing that athiests are the most zealous about their religion. :rolleyes:

You would think that people who don't believe in a higher power just wouldn't care, but apparently they have to sit around obsessing about their religion. Oh the irony.

Really quite sad when you think about it.

[DocGonzo]

Last reply from me to you: Grounds and Rights aren't the same things.

you are correct, Rights trump "grounds"

"grounds" = reasons

reasons = amusement

we done yet?

EDIT: thanks for the save...too much vicodin and posting too fast = meh

[Temet nosce]

:lmao:

Might want to edit who you're quoting Doc.

Edit: No worries Doc, although I wish I could get a bit of Vicodin myself. Maybe I'll grab some later tonight.

[Beeblebrox]

Are we going to kick ass in the name of the lord?

[DocGonzo]

:lmao:

Might want to edit who you're quoting Doc.

Edit: No worries Doc, although I wish I could get a bit of Vicodin myself. Maybe I'll grab some later tonight.

lol..you don't want it for the reasons i take it

imagine standing up for 2 or three days while your guts feel as if glass rats were gnawing and tumbling around in there...somewhere around the third day, 1500 milligrams is enough to allow me to sort of sit down and prop my neck up so i can sleep for 20 minutes before i shift or take a full breath...

usually clears up in 3-5 days, this is the third day..i can sit, but not sleep....yet

/emo

[Brekken]

lol..you don't want it for the reasons i take it

imagine standing up for 2 or three days while your guts feel as if glass rats were gnawing and tumbling around in there...somewhere around the third day, 1500 milligrams is enough to allow me to sort of sit down and prop my neck up so i can sleep for 20 minutes before i shift or take a full breath...

usually clears up in 3-5 days, this is the third day..i can sit, but not sleep....yet

/emo

Dude, that's alot worse than the flu I am feeling sorry for myself about.

[Temet nosce]

lol..you don't want it for the reasons i take it

imagine standing up for 2 or three days while your guts feel as if glass rats were gnawing and tumbling around in there...somewhere around the third day, 1500 milligrams is enough to allow me to sort of sit down and prop my neck up so i can sleep for 20 minutes before i shift or take a full breath...

usually clears up in 3-5 days, this is the third day..i can sit, but not sleep....yet

/emo

Ouch. However, yeah I meant for recreation. I generally just take increasingly large doses of Ibuprofen if I need something for actual pain, I dislike messing with Tylenol. If it's to serious for that to handle I go for the major stuff rather than Vicodin. Also, if your pain is that severe remember to look into the dose of codeine in the pill not the dose of Tylenol.

What precisely is the problem anyways? It's actually kinda nice to hear about someone else having health problems instead of me for a change. (though I doubt that cheers you up)

[DocGonzo]

Dude, that's alot worse than the flu I am feeling sorry for myself about.

been dealig with it forever...some months have less attacks than others

truth be told, i can get a bit cranky after the second day...

wouldja believe it?

EDIT: they have no idea what it is...i took 2006 off (my company has good benefits) so i could have a shit load of tests and some exploratory...they shot of lasers inside me for a day, and cut a bunch of adhesions from a surgery i had as an infant...it's better than it was, but they still have no fucking clue..

so i get big ass bottles of vicodin until that doesn't help anymore...i used to eat darvocet like they were pez until they bumped me up...i dunno what will be next...

and enough about all that boring shyte....

[Serenius]

I find it amusing that athiests are the most zealous about their religion. :rolleyes:

You would think that people who don't believe in a higher power just wouldn't care, but apparently they have to sit around obsessing about their religion. Oh the irony.

Really quite sad when you think about it.

For one, not a religion, but it's ok because you are a moron.

Not all atheist/agnostics obsess about proving religion wrong... only the very frustrated ones. It's like everyone thinking the sky is orange and then making judgments that affect your life on a daily basis due to that belief, can you not see how that could be frustrating to someone who is cognizant of the fact that the sky is in fact, not orange?

No, because you are an idiot.

The problem of religion is real, and like any problem there will be people who want to see it gone.

[Beeblebrox]

I find it amusing that athiests are the most zealous about their religion. :rolleyes:

You would think that people who don't believe in a higher power just wouldn't care, but apparently they have to sit around obsessing about their religion. Oh the irony.

Really quite sad when you think about it.

I think atheists are so concerned about this because religion is potentially a very dangerous thing. I mean, if you believe in god and that this god holds the key to your eternal salvation, you have to do whatever this god expects you to do. Think about it, ETERNAL PLEASURE. Do you want to spend the after life being raped by demon-donkeys in hell or you want to go to paradise's never ending party? I bet you can even play Darkfall 2 there! Easy choice, right? Well, all you have to do is kill some homosexuals (they're going to hell, anyways), maybe kill someone with a different belief (idem)...oh, and never EVER use a condom!!!! You can make a balloon with it, but that's it!

[DocGonzo]

For one, not a religion, but it's ok because you are a moron.

Not all atheist/agnostics obsess about proving religion wrong... only the very frustrated ones. It's like everyone thinking the sky is orange and then making judgments that affect your life on a daily basis due to that belief, can you not see how that could be frustrating to someone who is cognizant of the fact that the sky is in fact, not orange?

No, because you are an idiot.

and he forgot those of us who are apostate and heretic...

it's the Hubris that sets me off, anyone claiming that they "know the Mind of God" is either delusional or a liar

if the former, they should be shown reality to break their delusion...if the latter, they should be called out before they continue to harm others via "evangelizing" or any other form of crusade

could just be me...

[Temet nosce]

Probably Percocets, yeah though I hate it when they can't figure out what's wrong.

Have you had them run allergy tests? I was involved in years of exotic testing (my favorite was when they decided to knock me out to look around inside me with a camera), and after a ridiculous number of tests, doctors, and suggestions it all turned out to be due to food allergies.

Also, joy. I just took a look at the back of my throat in a mirror, I have Strep. What a marvelous coincidence that this occurs as I'm talking about this.

Anyways, yeah sorry for staying on the subject but figured I out to make sure you'd had allergy testing done.

[DocGonzo]

Probably Percocets, yeah though I hate it when they can't figure out what's wrong.

Have you had them run allergy tests? I was involved in years of exotic testing (my favorite was when they decided to knock me out to look around inside me with a camera), and after a ridiculous number of tests, doctors, and suggestions it all turned out to be due to food allergies.

Also, joy. I just took a look at the back of my throat in a mirror, I have Strep. What a marvelous coincidence that this occurs as I'm talking about this.

Anyways, yeah sorry for staying on the subject but figured I out to make sure you'd had allergy testing done.

EVERY test...cameras in every orifice...even imported a camera in a pill to get the areas where the other two couldn't reach........ :eek:

[Serenius]

and he forgot those of us who are apostate and heretic...

it's the Hubris that sets me off, anyone claiming that they "know the Mind of God" is either delusional or a liar

if the former, they should be shown reality to break their delusion...if the latter, they should be called out before they continue to harm others via "evangelizing" or any other form of crusade

could just be me...

Well, I mean all the 'militant atheist' do is bitch about how religious folk are wrong, mockingly sometimes but still... that's it.

What do religious people do when they think you are wrong? Burn you in a funeral pyre alive :rolleyes:.

[Jezrith]

EE;1884577']The God who wasn't there Trailer (http://www.thegodmovie.com/trailer.php)

Searched and did not find any mention of it.

Hey look! Another group of people telling me what to believe.

Also, Quicktime ftl...


What do religious people do when they think you are wrong? Burn you in a funeral pyre alive :rolleyes:.

Yeah because we have all sorts of atheist being burned alive EVERDAY! :rolleyes:

[Marrik]

no christian will sit through that.


honestly, the only way anybody deconverts is on their own. we can sew the seeds of doubt that will eventually allow them to get out on their own, but movies like that are pointless, no christian will listen with an open mind to a movie titled "The God that Wasnt There", you might as well just scream "GOD DOESNT EXIST YOURE FUCKING STUPID RENOUNCE YOUR FAITH DUMBASS DO IT DO IT NOW!!!!"


youd get about the same results, tbh.

[DocGonzo]

Hey look! Another group of people telling me what to believe.

Also, Quicktime ftl...



Yeah because we have all sorts of atheist being burned alive EVERDAY! :rolleyes:

a lot more have been burned by the fanatical dogmatists than the other way around

when exactly has any atheist burned him some christoids?

ya have to go back to Nero, i think...and he wasn;t an atheist,but a pagan

now, how many women alone have been burned because "suffer ye not a poisoner to continue" was mistranslated (possibly deliberately...scholars are divided) as "suffer not a witch to live" ?

there's plenty more, but you get the idea...

if it was Islamic fundamentalists plenty of the chickenhawks and hypocritical christoids would be foaming at the mouth and lighting their zippos...

goose...gander...

but the only flames i use are the virtual...

[Marrik]

a lot more have been burned by the fanatical dogmatists than the other way around

when exactly has any atheist burned him some christoids?

ya have to go back to Nero, i think...and he wasn;t an atheist,but a pagan

now, how many women alone have been burned because "suffer ye not a poisoner to continue" was mistranslated (possibly deliberately...scholars are divided) as "suffer not a witch to live" ?

there's plenty more, but you get the idea...

if it was Islamic fundamentalists plenty of the chickenhawks and hypocritical christoids would be foaming at the mouth and lighting their zippos...

goose...gander...

but the only flames i use are the virtual...

i honestly cant think of a time where atheists specifically were singled out to be killed.


but i understand that when christians were being thrown to lions in the colliseum, the crowd used to chant "Away with these atheists!"

[kordoyn]

Wow, Jesus, he doesn't really matter much. He had some good teachings but that was about the extent of him.

Jesus died for my sins.

[Brekken]

i honestly cant think of a time where atheists specifically were singled out to be killed.


but i understand that when christians were being thrown to lions in the colliseum, the crowd used to chant "Away with these atheists!"

Gonzo is using amazingly soft gloves on you, must be his pain meds are making him mellow.

[Jezrith]

a lot more have been burned by the fanatical dogmatists than the other way around

when exactly has any atheist burned him some christoids?

ya have to go back to Nero, i think...and he wasn;t an atheist,but a pagan

now, how many women alone have been burned because "suffer ye not a poisoner to continue" was mistranslated (possibly deliberately...scholars are divided) as "suffer not a witch to live" ?

there's plenty more, but you get the idea...


Old history is old. Welcome to 2008, you might like it here.

i honestly cant think of a time where atheists specifically were singled out to be killed.


Yeah, just wait Christian Death Squads are being deployed to your location as we speak! :ohno:

[DocGonzo]

Old history is old. Welcome to 2008, you might like it here.



Yeah, just wait Christian Death Squads are being deployed to your location as we speak! :ohno:

i'll like '08 much better after tuesday

and have you been awake these last 8 years?

take a look at how much fed dollars are being given to "faith based" organizations, that own billions, but don't pay taxes

much better when they are honest about it and just try to burn you alive, imo

[Meower]

Meh. Woot for bad christians!!!! Its people like them who give "us" the bad names. =[


If you look at christianity, it makes sense. Not to mention, considering we made so many "translation" errors throughout history, who's to say its not absolutely perfect, yet, we somehow mistranslated it to be wrong?

There's too much we dont about the universe to even begin to think about stuff beyond the universe, or lack thereof.

Simply put, life's a gamble. Say I'm wrong in christianity. Here's what I lose, maybe a slightly more rambunctious life, dying out of sheer stupidity, and being a jerk to everybody I meet.

If I'm right, I get eternal life with the God that created me, saved me, and somehow, despite all the stuff I did do wrong in this life, loves me.



If you want to try to disprove somebody about their religion, or lifestyles, try getting to know them first, dont just scream it in their face, and expect them to believe you.

[Marrik]

Jesus died for my sins.

he also said hed come back before John died, and hes been dead for a little over 2000 years...

[Jezrith]

i'll like '08 much better after tuesday


Hey, we all have our own personal delusions, who am I to deny you yours?


and have you been awake these last 8 years?


For most of it, I generally get 5-7 hours of sleep a night though, but I'm not recalling any atheists being thrown on to a fire.


much better when they are honest about it and just try to burn you alive, imo


Yeah, some how I doubt you would be saying that if it was your ass being used for kindling.

[DocGonzo]

Meh. Woot for bad christians!!!! Its people like them who give "us" the bad names. =[


If you look at christianity, it makes sense. Not to mention, considering we made so many "translation" errors throughout history, who's to say its not absolutely perfect, yet, we somehow mistranslated it to be wrong?

There's too much we dont about the universe to even begin to think about stuff beyond the universe, or lack thereof.

Simply put, life's a gamble. Say I'm wrong in christianity. Here's what I lose, maybe a slightly more rambunctious life, dying out of sheer stupidity, and being a jerk to everybody I meet.

If I'm right, I get eternal life with the God that created me, saved me, and somehow, despite all the stuff I did do wrong in this life, loves me.



If you want to try to disprove somebody about their religion, or lifestyles, try getting to know them first, dont just scream it in their face, and expect them to believe you.

nothing whatsoever wrong with following the teachings of the Annointed...

the bullshit starts when you let the dogma get to you

the insanity started with a guy named Iraneus, who took it upon himself to decide which books went into the NT,and that everyone else was a heretic...Constantine and Nicea ratified it almost 2 hundred years later so it could be used as a state religion to keep the riff raff in line with the threat of damnation

there's more, but you get the Idea...

[DocGonzo]

Hey, we all have our own personal delusions, who am I to deny you yours?



For most of it, I generally get 5-7 hours of sleep a night though, but I'm not recalling any atheists being thrown on to a fire.



Yeah, some how I doubt you would be saying that if it was your ass being used for kindling.

thanks for that...i gladly return the favor...

here's more than one kind of "fire", imo...

they have tried...but i remain free, apostate and heretic...

doubt away..i don't have to prove anything to pixels on a screen... :p

[Jezrith]

here's more than one kind of "fire", imo...


Well, if you atheists want to pretend like you are sooooo oppressed and mistreated in this day and age, it would be better to actually use real situations instead of hyperbole and exaggeration.

[Meower]

Haha, for the time being, I'm not nearly as mature as I should be in christianity to even ponder the past, and how scripture got to be here today.

I'm quite content to attempt to live it out.

[DocGonzo]

Well, if you atheists want to pretend like you are sooooo oppressed and mistreated in this day and age, it would be better to actually use real situations instead of hyperbole and exaggeration.

when have i ever said i was an atheist?

and we are just beginning to get to the point where an atheist or an agnostic is tolerated

do you think an atheist could ever win a primary, much less POTUS?

check around to see how many are in the House and Senate

my point was that for all that some are being a bit more vocal about their thoughts on the matter, the other "side" has held the upper hand for quite some time...and has never been shy about using it to smack folks down...from Torquemada to Salem to the Cathars or the Templars...

but no worries...i'm fine with anybody having whatever faith helps them get through the night...it's only when they get public about it that i tend to get a bit nasty

[ejnomad07]

when have i ever said i was an atheist?

The correct question is....when have you said you were not?

[Jezrith]

when have i ever said i was an atheist?

Ok, if you anti-Christians want to feel sooooo oppressed ... better?

[Aragoni]

Well, if you atheists want to pretend like you are sooooo oppressed and mistreated in this day and age, it would be better to actually use real situations instead of hyperbole and exaggeration.

I'd say Atheists are mistreated in the US due to the fact that only 20(?)% of the Americans could vote for one in the presidential elections. If only 20% of the American people would be able to vote for Obama while the rest would refuse due to the color of his skin some people would scream "RACISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!".

[DocGonzo]

Ok, if you anti-Christians want to feel sooooo oppressed ... better?

closer...as i have stated..i'm anti-religion/church/dogma...folks of whatever Faith are not a problem to me until and unless they bring it up first...

[Aragoni]

closer...as i have stated..i'm anti-religion/church/dogma...folks of whatever Faith are not a problem to me until and unless they bring it up first...

If they want to spread their faith then I have no problems with it. If they want to talk to me and being nice, and respect me when I say "Not interested" then by all means they could continue to spread it. Just keep it out of the government. Separation between church and state ftw (unless it's Asatro because that religion is just epic)!

[Jezrith]

I'd say Atheists are mistreated in the US due to the fact that only 20(?)% of the Americans could vote for one in the presidential elections.


You and I have a completely different definition of mistreated. Not to mention, people do have the right to not vote for someone because they disagree with them for anyone number of philosophical reasons. I guess being a member of the Socialist Worker Party and not being able to get elected president is a kin to racism as well?

[Aragoni]

You and I have a completely different definition of mistreated. Not to mention, people do have the right to not vote for someone because they disagree with them for anyone number of philosophical reasons. I guess being a member of the Socialist Worker Party and not being able to get elected president is a kin to racism as well?

Since religion should have nothing to do with politics, at all, I'd say refusing to pick someone because of their religion is childish and that they should stay away from the voting booth.

[Jezrith]

Since religion should have nothing to do with politics, at all, I'd say refusing to pick someone because of their religion is childish and that they should stay away from the voting booth.

It's no more stupid or childish then a whole slew of reasons why some people vote for a particular candidate. Unfortunately you can dictate to other people what they should believe and how to properly vote, if we could do that Ron Paul would win in a landslide next Tuesday. ;)

[Yasmira]

Meh. Woot for bad christians!!!! Its people like them who give "us" the bad names. =[


If you look at christianity, it makes sense. Not to mention, considering we made so many "translation" errors throughout history, who's to say its not absolutely perfect, yet, we somehow mistranslated it to be wrong?

There's too much we dont about the universe to even begin to think about stuff beyond the universe, or lack thereof.

Simply put, life's a gamble. Say I'm wrong in christianity. Here's what I lose, maybe a slightly more rambunctious life, dying out of sheer stupidity, and being a jerk to everybody I meet.

If I'm right, I get eternal life with the God that created me, saved me, and somehow, despite all the stuff I did do wrong in this life, loves me.



If you want to try to disprove somebody about their religion, or lifestyles, try getting to know them first, dont just scream it in their face, and expect them to believe you.

If you look at Christianity, it absolutely does not make sense. Take for instance the trinity. The infinite all powerful God made himself into human? And there's three parts to God but he's still somehow one?

The fact that the Bible has so many contradictions and errors proves you cannot take it as anything divine. If it the book was divine, why was it written by man years after by people who had never seen Jesus. If you want proof: look to Paul. Paul was one of the Hellenistic Jew. He lived after Jesus. In the other Gospels, Jesus says he has come to fulfill and revive Jewish spirituality and to follow the Jewish law. Jesus says he does not intend to change even the dots above the I's. Paul is the one who emphasizes spirituality and disregards Jewish law completely.

Then there's the tons of other books regarded as fake by the Church. Everyone has their own version of the book. Each gospel contradicts each other.

The core message is fucked if you try to actually understand it instead of spouting overused phrases like 'Jesus died for my sins'. Take a look at any of the church splits and you can see how no one can agree on any of the fundamentals. Not just the nature of Jesus, but whether we have any say in whether we are damned to Hell or not from the original sin.

Religion does not have a monopoly on morality. I can worship the sun and still be a better fellow human being. The object of my worship or lackthereof does not make a mass murdering psychopath though Christians have a tendency to be if you want to look at history.

[Brekken]

If you look at Christianity, it absolutely does not make sense.

Of course it makes sense

http://ronsworld.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/christianity-thumb.jpg

[Yasmira]

http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1205286919450kc8.jpg

[Marrik]

Of course it makes sense

http://ronsworld.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/christianity-thumb.jpg

lol

[ppsh42]

If you look at Christianity, it absolutely does not make sense. Take for instance the trinity. The infinite all powerful God made himself into human? And there's three parts to God but he's still somehow one?

The fact that the Bible has so many contradictions and errors proves you cannot take it as anything divine. If it the book was divine, why was it written by man years after by people who had never seen Jesus. If you want proof: look to Paul. Paul was one of the Hellenistic Jew. He lived after Jesus. In the other Gospels, Jesus says he has come to fulfill and revive Jewish spirituality and to follow the Jewish law. Jesus says he does not intend to change even the dots above the I's. Paul is the one who emphasizes spirituality and disregards Jewish law completely.

Then there's the tons of other books regarded as fake by the Church. Everyone has their own version of the book. Each gospel contradicts each other.

The core message is fucked if you try to actually understand it instead of spouting overused phrases like 'Jesus died for my sins'. Take a look at any of the church splits and you can see how no one can agree on any of the fundamentals. Not just the nature of Jesus, but whether we have any say in whether we are damned to Hell or not from the original sin.

Religion does not have a monopoly on morality. I can worship the sun and still be a better fellow human being. The object of my worship or lackthereof does not make a mass murdering psychopath though Christians have a tendency to be if you want to look at history.

This, and the fact that I can't experience the supernatural, I could safely assume that it's not real, or shouldn't have the reason to believe in any of it. I mean, why wouldn't God send angels or some divine message to the faithful, ensuring them that their belief is the truth? I was a devout Christian just a few months ago, but let go of that ignorance once I realized the failure of God.

[Gloomrender]

This, and the fact that I can't experience the supernatural, I could safely assume that it's not real, or shouldn't have the reason to believe in any of it. I mean, why wouldn't God send angels or some divine message to the faithful, ensuring them that their belief is the truth? I was a devout Christian just a few months ago, but let go of that ignorance once I realized the failure of God.

The answer you'll receive is that "It's all one big test of faith".

And I would answer that the religion fails to live up to any test of credibility...because of the endless logical and rational contradictions, the lack of any evidence, and the unavoidable fact that it was all written up by men (lots and lots of different men, to be exact).

You can find many fantasy novels that are both longer than the bible and make more sense than the plot of the bible.

[ppsh42]

Thats another thing that got me to lose faith. They don't have any logical reasoning nor the evidence to support their claims. They just fill in the gaps with lame excuses that I've grown tired of hearing.
There is this quote, I don't remember who said it though.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". Christianity, or any religion for the matter, fails to provide evidence or any sense of rationality.

/Edit. What sickens me most about religion, is the ignorance it produces. It creates a delusion, a lie around the believer, making him willing to waste his life or even die for that false claim.

[verlox2]

http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1205286919450kc8.jpg

Yeah, no. You're applying the logic of the human mind to something that we cannot even begin to fathom.

You fail at life. Go get cancer in your penis.

And when you people talk about that bible, do you mean the Christian Bible or the Tanahk?

[Gloomrender]

Something else goes well with the lack of evidence for religion.

That being the scientific evidence of how nature works, from single celled organisms, to humans. This all flies right in the face of religion, which contends that 'evil and good forces' cause everything to be the way they are. The latter simply isn't so...the environment, biology, and human and animal nature explain why everything happens the way it does on our little blue planet in space. You're forced to believe in one or the other if you take the evidence into account... either a 2000 year old book full of holes, which was written by men, 100+ years after It's supposed significant religious events took place, or, an overwhelming plethora of scientific/naturalistic evidence pertaining to every known phenomenon which has happened in the past 1.5 billion years of Earth/Universal history. Based on all the evidence, It's not a fair contest.







I just noticed that this movie seems familiar...in that I'm pretty sure I remember it from a long time ago, in other words, It's fucking old, OP.

At least we've squeezed a good discussion out of it.

[Yasmira]

Yeah, no. You're applying the logic of the human mind to something that we cannot even begin to fathom.

You fail at life. Go get cancer in your penis.

And when you people talk about that bible, do you mean the Christian Bible or the Tanahk?

Sorry, son. But you cannot use the "he's above reason" excuse when an argument using logic is brought against Him. All we know and can know is the natural world through reason and logic. If we do not perceive a need for him in nature then there is no reason to believe in Him.

[darknessedge]

did you know god wants YOU not were a condom? god is pro life and want to take YOUR freedom that may i remind you pepole died for?

who allowed them to die....thats right

if this so called god guy can turn water into wine then why cant he turn the drug problem in jobs for hard working amracans like YOU

did you also know god is "all forgiveing" how forgiveng can we let THIS GUY get..thats right.... god is "soft" on crime

he wants you to think he knows what to do in this hard time.

god had a son with a woman who was maryed to another man

yet in his best selling book he says those kinds of things are sins!

if you relly care about the world and al the hard ships is going thur.....vote

satain 08


he'll lower taxis.....and allso *cough*rase soul taxis*cough*



this add is brought to you buy darkfall.............darkfall we love satain a whole lot! who do you thinks crazy enuff to keep giveing us monny after 7 years!...umm i mean never mind



darkfall comeing......soon tm

[Crying Hyena]

i honestly cant think of a time where atheists specifically were singled out to be killed.


but i understand that when christians were being thrown to lions in the colliseum, the crowd used to chant "Away with these atheists!"

Look up Nazi Germany. Hitler put Atheists in concentration camps. This little fact likes to be skipped over because Christians don't want to admit Hitler was Christian even when he said quite a few certain things ( I'm not going to quote them yet ) in his speeches, writings, and statements to and from others which clearly showed that he thought he was doing God's work and that God was behind him. Ironically, all of this was caused by the Protestant reformer Martin Luther since he was an anti-Semite. His views were actually matured by Nazi Germany and carried out in there Religious Political party but as all things damning to Christianity, that too is skipped over in history.

[[LoD] EE]

did you know god wants YOU not were a condom? god is pro life and want to take YOUR freedom that may i remind you pepole died for?

who allowed them to die....thats right

if this so called god guy can turn water into wine then why cant he turn the drug problem in jobs for hard working amracans like YOU

did you also know god is "all forgiveing" how forgiveng can we let THIS GUY get..thats right.... god is "soft" on crime

he wants you to think he knows what to do in this hard time.

god had a son with a woman who was maryed to another man

yet in his best selling book he says those kinds of things are sins!

if you relly care about the world and al the hard ships is going thur.....vote

satain 08


he'll lower taxis.....and allso *cough*rase soul taxis*cough*



this add is brought to you buy darkfall.............darkfall we love satain a whole lot! who do you thinks crazy enuff to keep giveing us monny after 7 years!...umm i mean never mind



darkfall comeing......soon tm

I think the only thing he wants you to do is learn to freaking spell. Oh yeah, he just let me know, use your SHIFT key as well, it makes reading posts a 100 times easier.

[MinusInnocence]

I saw this movie a year or two ago. Pretty funny.

[Vertigo Vain]

Religion is made legal. Why not drugs?

[Helgeran]

Religion is made legal. Why not drugs?
Just say no to faith.

[hardboiled]

Haven't they made like 3 movies/documentaries bashing Christianity in the past year already?
Those Christians sure control the world.

[Marrik]

Yeah, no. You're applying the logic of the human mind to something that we cannot even begin to fathom.

You fail at life. Go get cancer in your penis.

And when you people talk about that bible, do you mean the Christian Bible or the Tanahk?

we CAN fathom it, it just doesnt make sense and is obviously something that cave dwelling goat herders who knew jack shit about the world and the universe would have come up with.

[katahlyn]

EE;1884577']The God who wasn't there Trailer (http://www.thegodmovie.com/trailer.php)

Searched and did not find any mention of it.

That movie requires Quicktime plugin. No thanks! :bang:
And I'm to lazy to search for an alternative.

[Shoku]

Pathetic. This was predicted as well in the Bible. People will start hating Christians for no real reason at all, eventually they will abolish Christianity and imprison and/or kill anyone who practices it. In God We Trust being taken out of money? It goes alot further than that.

Interesting how the creators of this film think they already know the answers, as if they and anyone like them was around when the world was created or even around the time of Christ.

[Marrik]

Pathetic. This was predicted as well in the Bible. People will start hating Christians for no real reason at all, eventually they will abolish Christianity and imprison and/or kill anyone who practices it. In God We Trust being taken out of money? It goes alot further than that.

Interesting how the creators of this film think they already know the answers, as if they and anyone like them was around when the world was created or even around the time of Christ.

the only reason 'in god we trust' is on our money was to be anti-communist (USSR was officially atheist) back in the 1950's, it shouldnt be on it at all, this is supposed to be a secular state. "we" DONT trust in gods, YOU do. "we" all have different beliefs, and the state isnt supposed to be endorsing any religion at all, or even belief in a god period.


thats the principle on which this country is based, dammit!





also, the bible predicted that Jesus would return before John died. you are an idiot, read the rest of the book why dont you.

[Tamural]

Pathetic. This was predicted as well in the Bible. People will start hating Christians for no real reason at all, eventually they will abolish Christianity and imprison and/or kill anyone who practices it. In God We Trust being taken out of money? It goes alot further than that.

Interesting how the creators of this film think they already know the answers, as if they and anyone like them was around when the world was created or even around the time of Christ.

lol

[Shoku]

the only reason 'in god we trust' is on our money was to be anti-communist (USSR was officially atheist) back in the 1950's, it shouldnt be on it at all, this is supposed to be a secular state. "we" DONT trust in gods, YOU do. "we" all have different beliefs, and the state isnt supposed to be endorsing any religion at all, or even belief in a god period.


thats the principle on which this country is based, dammit!





also, the bible predicted that Jesus would return before John died. you are an idiot, read the rest of the book why dont you.

Before John the Baptist died? What altered crap are you reading?
Btw Jesus did come back after he resurrected to instruct his disciples what to do.
Read the rest of the Bible why don't you.

[Marrik]

Before John the Baptist died? What altered crap are you reading?
Btw Jesus did come back after he resurrected to instruct his disciples what to do.
Read the rest of the Bible why don't you.


Matthew 24:29-35, Mark 9:1, and Luke 9:27, where Jesus promises that he will return within the lifetimes of his disciples and of the people who were witnessing his sermon just before floating up to Heaven? all those people died 2000 years ago.



so why are we still here? was Jesus a false prophet, or is he just a liar?




aaaw, whats that Shoku? i just proved your religion is a crock of shit by using your own "holy" book? well, thats what happens when you place blind faith in something obviously made up.

magic fruit and talking snakes indeed.

[Shoku]

Matthew 24:29-35, Mark 9:1, and Luke 9:27, where Jesus promises that he will return within the lifetimes of his disciples and of the people who were witnessing his sermon just before floating up to Heaven? all those people died 2000 years ago.



so why are we still here? was Jesus a false prophet, or is he just a liar?




aaaw, whats that Shoku? i just proved your religion is a crock of shit by using your own "holy" book? well, thats what happens when you place blind faith in something obviously made up.

There's this little book at the end of the Bible, called Revelation, ever heard of it? I guess not.

[Marrik]

There's this little book at the end of the Bible, called Revelation, ever heard of it? I guess not.

you mean that book thats an epic poem about the reign of emperor Nero, that had the claim added to it that it was a prophecy about the end of the world years after it was written? that book? :lmao:


and you didnt answer my question. was Jesus a false prophet, or just a liar?

[DocGonzo]

you mean that book thats an epic poem about the reign of emperor Nero, that had the claim added to it that it was a prophecy about the end of the world years after it was written? that book? :lmao:



this...

also the myth that somehow around the year 100=125 ad (depending on the scholar) is when Rev was written...you know about the time of the 2nd Jewish revolt attempt against Rome...had anything to do with the teachings of the Anointed are just silly

but Literalists have so many issues that one must give them a bit of slack for being impaired

as to the "false prophet" bit...it's in doubt as to whether he did any prophecy at all...or was it just attributed to him by the "authors" of various books...

the only Gospel that is made up of just his quotes, NO interpretation or somehow "knowing" what happened rather than witnessing it was the Gospel of Thomas (http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gth_pat_rob.htm) which Iraneus rejected when he was editing the bible and then referred to as heresy...

but i digress

[Shoku]

you mean that book thats an epic poem about the reign of emperor Nero, that had the claim added to it that it was a prophecy about the end of the world years after it was written? that book? :lmao:


and you didnt answer my question. was Jesus a false prophet, or just a liar?

Where are you getting this from? Nero? If one part of Revelation is true, then so is the other part. Added? So what? There's sudddenly a time frame in which the Bible must be written or it's wrong?

Neither. Jesus was the Messiah. Hated for saving humanity from eternal death.

From your point of view: if you die and you're right, congrats. If you die and I'm right, you're in big trouble.

[Marrik]

Where are you getting this from? Nero? That would only apply to part of Revelation, seeing as it leads on to the end of the world.

Neither. Jesus was the Messiah. Hated for saving humanity from eternal death.

From your point of view: if you die and you're right, congrats. If you die and I'm right, you're in big trouble.

my sig is so very, very true.


also, id just like to point out that if you ARE right, the Bible says that only 133,000 people will go to Heaven. im sure that seemed like a huge number to the people who wrote it, but let me put that in perspective for you.

considering that thousands of years have passed since this was written, and that there are currently about 6 billion people on the planet, many hundreds of millions of whom are christian, not to mention all the believers who have been dying each year since it was written...


id say chances are, you will be right there in Hell with me :sly:

[Temet nosce]

my sig is so very, very true.


also, id just like to point out that if you ARE right, the Bible says that only 133,000 people will go to Heaven. im sure that seemed like a huge number to the people who wrote it, but let me put that in perspective for you.

considering that thousands of years have passed since this was written, and there are currently about 6 billion people on the planet, many hundreds of millions of whom are christian, not to mention all the believers who have been dying each year since it was written...


id say chances are, you will be right there in Hell with me :sly:

Chances are extremely good you're right, he needs to reread the bible. He seems to be assuming you get into heaven automatically, but there's a little problem with that.

You don't only need to believe Jesus is your savior, there are also at least five other unambiguous bible passages which describe things you have to do to get into heaven... Including giving away everything you own.

[Shoku]

my sig is so very, very true.


also, id just like to point out that if you ARE right, the Bible says that only 133,000 people will go to Heaven. considering that thousands of years have passed since this was written, and there are currently about 6 billion people on the planet, not to mention all the believers who have been dying each year since it was written...


id say chances are, you will be right there in Hell with me :sly:

As I said after editing it.
The 133,000 people are most definatetly not all of the Christians that have lived and died altogether. Where are you getting you're facts? Really, I want an answer. You are getting the referrence from the Bible, but where are you getting your interpretations?

Think about your life. Again in your view: how great is it to believe that everyday you wake up, every sunrise, that you are another day closer to nothing?

[PrimalSign]

From your point of view: if you die and you're right, congrats. If you die and I'm right, you're in big trouble.

I'm getting so fucking tired of Pascal's wager. It's not original and makes you look like a dumbass.

EDIT:


Again in your view: how great is it to believe that everyday you wake up, every sunrise, that you are another day closer to nothing?

Taoism... fuck yeah!

[Marrik]

As I said after editing it.
The 133,000 people are most definatetly not all of the Christians that have lived and died altogether. Where are you getting you're facts? Really, I want an answer. You are getting the referrence from the Bible, but where are you getting your interpretations?

Think about your life. Again in your view: how great is it to believe that everyday you wake up, every sunrise, that you are another day closer to nothing?

do you read Aramaic, Shoku?



its much better than to live my life deluding myself into thinking that i will live forever if i mumble to myself and stand in line for a cracker and thimble of juice that is symbolic of a long dead rabbi's flesh and blood.

im not especially worried about death, because after the electricity in my brain stops firing, i will not be around to care about the fact that i dont exist.

if you ask me, it is a very weak person who needs to believe in something that is clearly untrue to get through life.



"And from my rotting corpse, flowers shall grow, and I am in the flowers, and that is eternity."





or who knows, maybe ill come back as a different kind of animal. i doubt it, reincarnation sounds too much like wishful thinking to me, but thatd be a pretty sweet deal.

[Shoku]

do you read Aramaic, Shoku?



its much better than to live my life deluding myself into thinking that i will live forever if i mumble to myself and stand in line for a cracker and thimble of juice that is symbolic of a long dead rabbi's flesh and blood.

im not especially worried about death, because after the electricity in my brain stops firing, i will not be around to care about the fact that i dont exist.



if you ask me, it is a very weak person who needs to believe in something that is clearly untrue to get through life.

There's a place in Turkey, where the suspected location of Noah's Ark is. This mountain serves no tactical location or resourceful gain. Then why is it being protected and fenced by Turkish military forces?

The same goes for the location of the Ark of the Covenant.

Why do people consider faith to be obsolete? Isn't the definition of faith: the belief in something you can't physically see. Marrik, stop claiming that you're absolutely correct, you have just as much "proof" as anyone else.
I was wrong to say things about how you live your life, I was wrong to judge you for what you believe. But threads like these make me angry because they try to sound as though they are absolutely correct.

[DocGonzo]

lol...the two arks...

if the ark of the covenant had even a rumored location, bet the MOSSAD would be on it in seconds

and wasn't the Ararat bullshit debunked years ago?

[Marrik]

Shoku, there is no proof that God or gods do not exist. it is impossible to prove that, and it is equally impossible to disprove it.


however, it IS possible to prove that Christianity is untrue, just like its possible to prove that ANY religion is untrue. we dont know where all of this came from, in all likelihood we never will.




but where it did NOT come from, is clay mixed with the spit of an invisible wizard in the sky, thats just silly. holy shit Shoku, can you not see how outlandish that is? if you do any research into religions, you will come to realize that Christianity, like all other religions, is just a compilation of all those that came before it.


i do not have any illusions that you are suddenly go to say to yourself "Hey, hes right!" and then stop believing, but if you study it yourself, thats probably where you will end up.



but whatever man, do what you want. its your life. peace.

[Shoku]

Shoku, there is no proof that God or gods do not exist. it is impossible to prove that, and it is equally impossible to disprove it.


however, it IS possible to prove that Christianity is untrue, just like its possible to prove that ANY religion is untrue. we dont know where all of this came from, in all likelihood we never will.




but where it did NOT come from, is clay mixed with the spit of an invisible wizard in the sky, thats just silly. holy shit Shoku, can you not see how outlandish that is? if you do any research into religions, you will come to realize that Christianity, like all other religions, is just a compilation of all those that came before it.


i do not have any illusions that you are suddenly go to say to yourself "Hey, hes right!" and then stop believing, but if you study it yourself, thats probably where you will end up.



but whatever man, do what you want. its your life. peace.

Heh, About the wizard thing? We ARE on the Darkfall forums after all, not to say that Darkfall is real but, I mean, look where we are. :lmao:

You believe what you believe, and I believe what I believe. We'll just wait and see.

Laterz.

[Crying Hyena]

Pathetic. This was predicted as well in the Bible. People will start hating Christians for no real reason at all, eventually they will abolish Christianity and imprison and/or kill anyone who practices it. In God We Trust being taken out of money? It goes alot further than that.

Interesting how the creators of this film think they already know the answers, as if they and anyone like them was around when the world was created or even around the time of Christ.

In God We Trust was addressed by Marrik. On Christians being persecuted in the End times... Look at the world around you. You have to be a Christian to lead the most powerful nation in the world.... persecution? Also, search the other threads on this topic and read through them.

this...

also the myth that somehow around the year 100=125 ad (depending on the scholar) is when Rev was written...you know about the time of the 2nd Jewish revolt attempt against Rome...had anything to do with the teachings of the Anointed are just silly

but Literalists have so many issues that one must give them a bit of slack for being impaired

as to the "false prophet" bit...it's in doubt as to whether he did any prophecy at all...or was it just attributed to him by the "authors" of various books...

the only Gospel that is made up of just his quotes, NO interpretation or somehow "knowing" what happened rather than witnessing it was the Gospel of Thomas (http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gth_pat_rob.htm) which Iraneus rejected when he was editing the bible and then referred to as heresy...

but i digress

Damn Doc... as usual and you say I hit hard :rolleyes:.

Where are you getting this from? Nero? If one part of Revelation is true, then so is the other part. Added? So what? There's sudddenly a time frame in which the Bible must be written or it's wrong?

Neither. Jesus was the Messiah. Hated for saving humanity from eternal death.

From your point of view: if you die and you're right, congrats. If you die and I'm right, you're in big trouble.

The quote from Matthew

For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Matt 16:27-28 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Matthew 10:23

C.S. Lewis

"Say what you like," we shall be told, "the apocalyptic beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be false. It is clear from the New Testament that they all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime. And, worse still, they had a reason, and one which you will find very embarrassing. Their Master had told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their delusion. He said in so many words, ‘this generation shall not pass till all these things be done.’ And he was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the end of the world than anyone else."

It is certainly the most embarrassing verse in the Bible. Yet how teasing, also, that within fourteen words of it should come the statement “But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.” The one exhibition of error and the one confession of ignorance grow side by side. That they stood thus in the mouth of Jesus himself, and were not merely placed thus by the reporter, we surely need not doubt. Unless the reporter were perfectly honest he would never have recorded the confession of ignorance at all; he could have had no motive for doing so except a desire to tell the whole truth. And unless later copyists were equally honest they would never have preserved the (apparently) mistaken pre­diction about “this generation” after the passage of time had shown the (appar­ent) mistake. This passage (Mark 13:30-32) and the cry “Why hast thou forsaken me?” (Mark 15:34) together make up the strongest proof that the New Testament is historically reliable. The evangelists have the first great character­istic of honest witnesses: they mention facts which are, at first sight, damaging to their main contention.

[Crying Hyena]

There's a place in Turkey, where the suspected location of Noah's Ark is. This mountain serves no tactical location or resourceful gain. Then why is it being protected and fenced by Turkish military forces?

The same goes for the location of the Ark of the Covenant.

Why do people consider faith to be obsolete? Isn't the definition of faith: the belief in something you can't physically see. Marrik, stop claiming that you're absolutely correct, you have just as much "proof" as anyone else.
I was wrong to say things about how you live your life, I was wrong to judge you for what you believe. But threads like these make me angry because they try to sound as though they are absolutely correct.


I missed this one. The guy who "found the Ark"...both of them is being charged with fraud. Sorry come again. Oh and on the other locations..yes I said locations... it's all the same. No one can enter any of them. Hers is some reading for you. Sumerian Mythlogy. Read the Mahabharata. Read the Hym to Zeus. Read the writings of Epimenides. Read this (http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/publications/papers/vol1/500215-The_Influence_of_the_Mystery_Religions_o n_Christianity.htm) as well.

[DocGonzo]

I missed this one. The guy who "found the Ark"...both of them is being charged with fraud. Sorry come again. Oh and on the other locations..yes I said locations... it's all the same. No one can enter any of them. Hers is some reading for you. Sumerian Mythlogy. Read the Mahabharata. Read the Hym to Zeus. Read the writings of Epimenides. Read this (http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/publications/papers/vol1/500215-The_Influence_of_the_Mystery_Religions_o n_Christianity.htm) as well.

the Stanford article is a nice touch,thanks for the link

and the CS Lewis quote is a masterstroke, imo...was used in the Jesus Seminar way back when...

..:::bows, hand over fist:::..

[Galadon]

Zeitgeist has already said what this movie is saying...big whup.

[Vertigo Vain]

Before arguing the factual base of any belief, first question that arrives (due to demands of people discussing that faith and science cannot be mixed and its pointless to try to dispute faith with logic) is "why do people think THEIR faith is the right one and every other religion is wrong?".

Before making longest topics about either a specific religion is correct or not - it should be reasoned why THIS religion is challenged, because before its prowen its the right one on the front of faith - any discussion of its logical validity is totaly IRRELEVANT.

Christians at the moment have the only Ace being - they have the bigest numbers due to massive missionary work in last centuries. If we would make that count, next question would be WICH FORM of Christianity is correct, unlike all other "heresy"s.

[DocGonzo]

actually..there is no real test for the validity of any faith

it's Literalist interpretations and dogmatic assertions where the fun conflict arises and can be assessed with objective facts and critique

could just be me...

EDIT: oh yeah...and i think you will find there are more Muslims than Christians if i am not mistaken...and the total of those who would speak of Buddha before Jesus is at least as large, if not larger than the other two

a solid case can be made for Jesus having learned some Buddhism, along with many of the local "mystery religions" from plenty of pagans in the Roman Empire who might be traveling along the Silk Road...

but i digress

[Temet nosce]

Before arguing the factual base of any belief, first question that arrives (due to demands of people discussing that faith and science cannot be mixed and its pointless to try to dispute faith with logic) is "why do people think THEIR faith is the right one and every other religion is wrong?".

Before making longest topics about either a specific religion is correct or not - it should be reasoned why THIS religion is challenged, because before its prowen its the right one on the front of faith - any discussion of its logical validity is totaly IRRELEVANT.

Christians at the moment have the only Ace being - they have the bigest numbers due to massive missionary work in last centuries. If we would make that count, next question would be WICH FORM of Christianity is correct, unlike all other "heresy"s.

I've posted this before, but really it's just so appropriate here.

"I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said, "Stop! Don't do it!" "Why shouldn't I?" he said. I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!" He said, "Like what?" I said, "Well, are you religious or atheist?" He said, "Religious." I said, "Me too! Are your Christian or Buddhist?" He said, "Christian." I said, "Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?" He said, "Protestant." I said, Me too! Are your Episcopalian or Baptist? He said, "Baptist!" I said, "Wow! Me too! Are your Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord? He said, Baptist Church of God!" I said, "Me too! Are your Original Baptist Church of God or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?" He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of God!" I said, "Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915?" He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915!" I said, "Die, heretic scum!" and pushed him off."

[Crying Hyena]

the Stanford article is a nice touch,thanks for the link

and the CS Lewis quote is a masterstroke, imo...was used in the Jesus Seminar way back when...

..:::bows, hand over fist:::..


Thanks:sly:

And your welcome :)