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Vessol
10-31-2008, 08:32 PM
Dear Republicans: This election all Republicans who love America must vote for Obama. A vote for business-as-usual and a continuation of the Neoconservative/Religious Right/ party of corporate American alienation is a vote against America. As a former Republican activist, I appeal to your patriotism and honor.

Unless you haven't been paying attention to the recent history of the Republican Party you will know that today Republican ideology and energy is derived from three sources:

* The Religious Right,

* The Neoconservative Movement,

* Corporate business interests.

You also should know that when it comes to the Religious Right my late father and evangelist, Francis Schaeffer, was the intellectual voice that made it happen. As his young sidekick (in the 70s and 80s) I helped take his message to a huge evangelical audience.

I mention this by way of saying that even if you hate my guts -- for having dropped out of the Republican Party, for writing novels that make fun of you, and for reregistering as an independent voter, let alone for supporting Senator Obama -- perhaps you should listen up. I happen to know what I'm talking about.

So let's look at the three power centers that drive the Republican Party today.

The Religious Right
The Religious Right came about for one reason and one reason only: it was a reaction to Roe v. Wade and the legalization of abortion in 1973. The Supreme Court essentially created the culture wars. (A state-by-state approach to legalizing abortion would have been better and resulted in much the same situation we have today in terms of the availability of abortion.) Take Roe out of the political mix and there would be no Religious Right.

That said -- certain power-hungry individuals (Dobson, Falwell, Robertson, Rove, Reed et al.) took the energy of our original pro-life movement and used it to build a hate campaign reminiscent of the early momentum that drove European Fascist parties in the mid-1920s through the mid-1940s. Fear of the "other" gays, immigrants, intellectuals, artists, the media, feminists, etc., morphed into a general critique of "the elite" which turned out to be anyone with an education or even big city dwellers. The Religious Right became a crude populist movement pitting the resentful rubes against the rest.

Take a hard look at yourselves. Play back this year's Republican convention and you'll see an all-white crowd of people screaming for offshore oil drilling -- fat lot of good that will do! more carbon! more polution! -- and essentially reacting like starved hyenas when presented with a piece of juicy carrion. At the convention Sarah Palin and others produced nothing more than a snide list of smart ass put downs aimed at the really dumb, with so little substance that former conservatives such the late William F. Buckley, for instance (let alone my late father) would simply have been ashamed to be in your company. You have become a hate-filled rabble proud of your ignorance and resentful of the rest of your own country, resentment that's exceeded only by your maudlin (and false) sense of victimhood.

People that hate half the population of their own country can scarcely be called patriots. On the contrary, people who exult in mocking as their only way to "contribute" to solving our huge environmental, energy, military and economic problems are true subversives.

The smell emanating from your convention was that of a beer hall putsch circa 1930s, not anything remotely like participation in a democracy. Now you all know what it felt like to be in a lynch mob minus the hanging. You should be ashamed. But shame is something that apparently Republicans are no longer capable of feeling, at least when you get together in a mob.

If you could feel shame there would have been a series of contrite public apologies at your convention for the incredible fiasco of non-governing that has typified the Bush administration. My pension, other people's pensions, our homes, jobs and economy are in chaos because of you. Young Americans are dying in Iraq because of you. The world is a more dangerous place because of you. America is hated because of you. Yes, that is you personally. I blame all of you.

You are the people who gave us eight years of Bush. My Marine son fought in his wars. Cowards, where were most of your sons and daughters? The President's daughters were getting arrested for under age drinking and harassing their Secret Service detail. The rest of you were shopping.

Far from saying you're sorry for the state our country is in you're trying to change the subject by reviving a culture war that has nothing to do with the principled fight against abortion of the 1970s that my dad and I began, and everything to do with simply hating people not like yourselves. The ultimate irony is that you're doing this in the name of Jesus Christ, someone, by the way, whom I try to follow as a Christian. You have become blasphemers by dragging our Lord into your political games.

The Republican Party and the Religious Right have become "Christian" warmongers who applaud the use of torture, start needless wars, fight against civil rights for gays and other disadvantaged Americans, and perhaps worst of all, in terms of the long-term impact, have literally turned your hands against God's creation.

You have a little fool for a vice presidential candidate who says she doesn't believe that human beings have anything to do with the phenomena of global warming and the endangering of all human life on this planet. Dream on. This fool claims to know what she knows because of an absolute "I don't blink" confidence in herself. So on top of everything else this fool who says she is a Christian, proves she is not. She lacks any shred of decent humility, the most basic biblical virtue.


The Neoconservative Movement
Let's be honest: the Neoconservative Movement is nothing more than an kill-all-the-Arabs, pro-Israel-at-any-cost, morally bankrupt lobby that actually turns out to be anti-Israel. Why? Because taken to the logical conclusion the neoconservative's position on everything--from illegal West Bank settlements, to making war on Iran, not to mention the absolutely useless waste of life that's taken place in Iraq, warlike preparations against Syria and just about every other Middle Eastern country, no, scratch that, every other country in the world--puts Israel in worse jeopardy than ever before.

Fortunately for everyone, it seems that most Israelis "get" this, as well as most Jewish Americans (who vote Democratic) even if a few Neoconservative Jews, most Evangelicals and all the other Republican zealots don't. (Most Jews also know that the idiot fringe so-called Christian Zionists like Rev., Hagee, are no friends to Israel, rather they are perpetuating a doomsday nineteenth century Armageddon/ "Rapture" cult that wants to use the Jews as cosmic "End Times" cannon fodder.)

Get it through your thick heads: a state of permanent war between the West, including Israel and the United States, and the Muslim world is a war that Israel will eventually lose. Do the demographic math!

Republicans: You have been tricked and misled by; Irving Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, John Bolton, Elliott Abrams, Robert Kagan, Michael Ledeen, William Kristol, Frank Gaffney, Jr. Dick Cheney. These neofools have unwittingly set in motion the destruction of Israel (probably in our lifetimes) and have maybe killed America too. Bastards! Republicans: It will be remembered that you embraced these world-hating self-deluded paranoid blabberers and made their twisted sound-bite polemics your own.

Those who, like me, actually believe that Israel has the right to exist should look on the Neoconservatives listed above with the same loathing that we look back on the idiots who goaded Europe into World War I, also in the name of "nationalism," "democracy" and "freedom."

Belligerent posturing is not a policy, it is idiocy. You Republicans have become the party of perpetual fear and aggressive non-provoked war, seeing enemies where there are none and/or provoking former friends to become our enemies, and/or faking reasons for war and/or wasting our soldier's blood in places such as Afghanistan, where our cause was just but you fumbled the ball.

Your moron vice presidential candidate is still at it! While turning her son's deployment to war into a flag-dishonoring political circus stunt she repeated the Bush lie and said that her son was going off to fight the perpetrators of 9/11. This is a barefaced lie and you all know it. Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack. The only reason we attacked them is because the fools listed above decided it would be good for Israel and our stupid "president" went along.

Now you belligerent asses are supporting the same idiot (McCain) that helped bring us Iraq. He is now champing at the bit to revive the cold, and maybe a hot war with Russia! Have you gone mad? Can't you see you have an old foolish semi-senile man mired in the bathos of post-Vietnam "we were denied victory" psychosis for a candidate? Don't you know that Bush has made us weak?

You Republicans did to our military what the USSR could not do: demoralize it, stretch it beyond breaking and set it back decades. And now you want MORE wars?!

Corporate Business Interests
The Republican Party claims traditional values. It has propagated a laissez-faire attitude toward corporate interests and has -- literally -- stood back and encouraged the rape of the earth. You are the party of the earth-hogging SUV. You have literally sowed the wind and reaped the hurricanes.

This is as self-defeating as it is embarrassing for those claiming the moral high ground, particularly those who say that their philosophy represents traditional Judeo-Christian values. We all live here for crying out loud! Will you now fight our God and Creator too for the "right" to burn the last drop of oil while on a weekend jaunt to nowhere in your all-terrain piece of garbage?


Conclusion
The Republican problem is a systemic disparagement of government, community, faith in our institutions, family, God's creation and the mitigating institutions that put a check on something any party aligned with a religious movement should know all about: sin. Greed is not the only problem. Human weakness and stupidity (i.e., "sin") is the problem! And the genius of the American system is supposedly that we have a system of checks and balances to mitigate our fallen state. You have destroyed those checks and balances.

Bush felt no guilt about promoting completely unqualified people to high posts merely on the basis of social, ideological or political connections. I'll take that a step further: I don't think Bush ever wanted the government to work. You Republicans hate our government as bitterly as our terrorist enemies do. You have been trying to deconstruct it. Since the government is seen as the enemy of freedom by you, if it doesn't work so much the better!

We have met the enemy and he is us! When Islamists tried to destroy our country by flying planes into the Pentagon and the World Trade Towers, we rightly called them terrorists. When the Republicans in the Congress and the White House set about destroying our country, our standing in the world, our military and our economy, but much more effectively, you called them statesmen. It is time for all Americans -- including all you who are patriotic Republicans -- to sweep away these putrid earth-consuming, family killing, government bashing "me" worshipping individualistic fools--that or to watch our country be swept away by them. We can't afford eight more years of this willful ignorance. Obama in 2008!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/an-open-letter-to-all-rep_b_127709.html

Killuminati
10-31-2008, 08:32 PM
tl;dr

ejnomad07
10-31-2008, 08:35 PM
tl;dr

QFT

Mazer
10-31-2008, 08:42 PM
Half-decent rant, a little too much generalizing for my liking though.

tl;dr

QFT

Than why the fuck would you post anything? Seriously, go outside or something instead of browsing a forum without reading the posts.

nathanpinard
10-31-2008, 08:47 PM
Dear Republicans: This election all Republicans who love America must vote for Obama.

Kind of goes against America imo.

akrippler
10-31-2008, 08:49 PM
Than why the fuck would you post anything? Seriously, go outside or something instead of browsing a forum without reading the posts.

This

Attau
10-31-2008, 08:49 PM
I made it down to the part where the religious right was somehow responsible for the economic collapse and your pension fund.

SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE FUCKING FACE.

Tharkon Fargor
10-31-2008, 08:54 PM
I made it down to the part where the religious right was somehow responsible for the economic collapse and your pension fund.

SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE FUCKING FACE.


If you didn't get the point of the thread then don't post. Makes you look like a jackass.

Hecubis
10-31-2008, 09:01 PM
Ron Paul's been saying most of that stuff for years now, he just does it with a lot more class & tact.

Reckin Crew
10-31-2008, 09:03 PM
Go McCain !

Have a nice day!

Lethn
10-31-2008, 09:07 PM
You have become a hate-filled rabble proud of your ignorance and resentful of the rest of your own country, resentment that's exceeded only by your maudlin (and false) sense of victimhood.

Let's be honest: the Neoconservative Movement is nothing more than an kill-all-the-Arabs, pro-Israel-at-any-cost, morally bankrupt lobby that actually turns out to be anti-Israel.

The Republican Party claims traditional values. It has propagated a laissez-faire attitude toward corporate interests and has -- literally -- stood back and encouraged the rape of the earth. You are the party of the earth-hogging SUV. You have literally sowed the wind and reaped the hurricanes.

This pretty much sums up my viewpoints completely QFFT ( Quoted for fucking truth )

kordoyn
10-31-2008, 09:09 PM
Jesus made me do it.

Lictor
10-31-2008, 09:09 PM
tl;dr

second.

Fro
10-31-2008, 09:10 PM
Holy mother of god!

Matriel
10-31-2008, 09:11 PM
Ron Paul's been saying most of that stuff for years now, he just does it with a lot more class & tact.

Maybe the class and tact are why no one fucking listens. :(

stalwart
10-31-2008, 09:14 PM
/In Sanct Ylem

much?

Agge
10-31-2008, 09:15 PM
Maybe the class and tact are why no one fucking listens. :(

The horrible truth concerning moast things.

Duncandun
10-31-2008, 09:25 PM
Maybe the class and tact are why no one fucking listens. :(

no one gives a shit about crazy off the cuff crazies

Ramses
10-31-2008, 10:08 PM
He states his points, then belittles, demeans, and insults his target audience in broad, generalizing, even belligerent strokes. Bravo.

Killuminati
10-31-2008, 10:10 PM
Half-decent rant, a little too much generalizing for my liking though.





Than why the fuck would you post anything? Seriously, go outside or something instead of browsing a forum without reading the posts.

If I post from a park bench does that count?

Lethn
10-31-2008, 10:14 PM
He states his points, then belittles, demeans, and insults his target audience in broad, generalizing, even belligerent strokes. Bravo.

So your saying everyones a religious neo-conservative arab hating American?

Septus
10-31-2008, 10:17 PM
For the tl;dr crowd:


The Religious Right came about for one reason and one reason only: it was a reaction to Roe v. Wade and the legalization of abortion in 1973. The Supreme Court essentially created the culture wars.

That said -- certain power-hungry individuals (Dobson, Falwell, Robertson, Rove, Reed et al.) took the energy of our original pro-life movement and used it to build a hate campaign reminiscent of the early momentum that drove European Fascist parties in the mid-1920s through the mid-1940s. Fear of the "other" gays, immigrants, intellectuals, artists, the media, feminists, etc., morphed into a general critique of "the elite" which turned out to be anyone with an education or even big city dwellers. The Religious Right became a crude populist movement pitting the resentful rubes against the rest.


The Neoconservative Movement
Let's be honest: the Neoconservative Movement is nothing more than an kill-all-the-Arabs, pro-Israel-at-any-cost, morally bankrupt lobby that actually turns out to be anti-Israel. Why? Because taken to the logical conclusion the neoconservative's position on everything--from illegal West Bank settlements, to making war on Iran, not to mention the absolutely useless waste of life that's taken place in Iraq, warlike preparations against Syria and just about every other Middle Eastern country, no, scratch that, every other country in the world--puts Israel in worse jeopardy than ever before.

Now you belligerent asses are supporting the same idiot (McCain) that helped bring us Iraq. He is now champing at the bit to revive the cold, and maybe a hot war with Russia! Have you gone mad? Can't you see you have an old foolish semi-senile man mired in the bathos of post-Vietnam "we were denied victory" psychosis for a candidate? Don't you know that Bush has made us weak?


Conclusion
Bush felt no guilt about promoting completely unqualified people to high posts merely on the basis of social, ideological or political connections. I'll take that a step further: I don't think Bush ever wanted the government to work. You Republicans hate our government as bitterly as our terrorist enemies do. You have been trying to deconstruct it. Since the government is seen as the enemy of freedom by you, if it doesn't work so much the better!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/an-open-letter-to-all-rep_b_127709.html

Fledrel
10-31-2008, 11:16 PM
...

The Religious Right
The Religious Right came about for one reason and one reason only: it was a reaction to Roe v. Wade and the legalization of abortion in 1973.
So thats the ONLY reason it exists?

My Marine son fought in his wars.
so what? want a cookie?
Cowards, where were most of your sons and daughters?
like you have a right to ask that? just because your son has fought ina war do feel you have a right to question others?

You have a little fool for a vice presidential candidate who says she doesn't believe that human beings have anything to do with the phenomena of global warming and the endangering of all human life on this planet.
Global warming doesnt exist.

Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack. The only reason we attacked them is because the fools listed above decided it would be good for Israel and our stupid "president" went along.
So the pleas of a nation in torment had nothing to do with it?

You Republicans did to our military what the USSR could not do: demoralize it, stretch it beyond breaking and set it back decades. And now you want MORE wars?! Yet it was democrats who wanted to make our nations armed forces smaller.


Conclusion
The Republican problem is a systemic disparagement of government, community, faith in our institutions, family, God's creation and the mitigating institutions that put a check on something any party aligned with a religious movement should know all about: sin. Greed is not the only problem. Human weakness and stupidity (i.e., "sin") is the problem! ...
Yes because democrat have a strong sense of morality. Even when their canadate belives strongly in partial birth abortions, And his idea of "spreading the wealth" isnt gaining support because of greed.
I agree human weakness and stupidity is the only reason Obama has made it thus far.

You Republicans hate our government as bitterly as our terrorist enemies do. You have been trying to deconstruct it. Since the government is seen as the enemy of freedom by you, if it doesn't work so much the better! Your right, republicans generally hate the govt, yet democrats want to just sit on their asses and let the govt pay them to do it. Let others work hard and break their backs so democrats can have more children to get a biigger paycheck.

It is time for all Americans -- including all you who are patriotic Republicans -- to sweep away these putrid earth-consuming, family killing... We can't afford eight more years of this willful ignorance. Obama in 2008!
Willfull ignorance? family killing? thats obama.

Obama stands for change. His entire campaign has stood on that single fact, Yet as a leson that is often taught, Learn your history or you will be doomed to repeat it. Hitler ran on a platform of change, Fidel castro also ran on change, even ODINGA of kenya and his violent overthorw there was supported by obama

Obama and his ties to a lot of less than reputable "friends" is enough for me to vote for a third party.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/kenyas_killing_fields/

Ramses
10-31-2008, 11:47 PM
So your saying everyones a religious neo-conservative arab hating American?

? ....yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

Mr.LichTwitch
10-31-2008, 11:53 PM
Your right, republicans generally hate the govt, yet democrats want to just sit on their asses and let the govt pay them to do it. Let others work hard and break their backs so democrats can have more children to get a biigger paycheck.

Quit being ignorant. I live in Pittsburgh, a democrat stronghold. I can find more hard workers in this region than most other regions of this country, and we have a relatively small population. It's been in our blood since well before we were making the steel that built most of this country's cities and fueled a WWII victory. We bust our asses and pay our dues just as much as, if not more, than anybody else in this country. You obviously don't know shit about demographics.

LordTenacious
11-01-2008, 12:25 AM
Why do you people read the Huffington post and then have the gall to bitch about fox news being biased?

I'm gonna start linking to Rush Limbaugh as a factual, unbiased source.

DocGonzo
11-01-2008, 12:36 AM
Why do you people read the Huffington post and then have the gall to bitch about fox news being biased?

I'm gonna start linking to Rush Limbaugh as a factual, unbiased source.

unfortunately for you, this was never meant as a "factual, unbiased" piece

it's an opinion...and editorial from a single person

see the difference there, or has your strawman just covered you up?

Spinewire
11-01-2008, 12:38 AM
Than why the fuck would you post anything? Seriously, go outside or something instead of browsing a forum without reading the posts.
QQ more they do it to bait people like you

LordTenacious
11-01-2008, 12:47 AM
unfortunately for you, this was never meant as a "factual, unbiased" piece

it's an opinion...and editorial from a single person

see the difference there, or has your strawman just covered you up?
Right, this is the first time this place has linked huffington post. And by first time, I mean this is probably the 3rd or 4th time it has been linked today (without even being on I'll bet I'm right)

And please, spare me from your little speech about strawmen considering you might as well have a full-time job in making scarecrows.

Mr.LichTwitch
11-01-2008, 12:48 AM
unfortunately for you, this was never meant as a "factual, unbiased" piece

it's an opinion...and editorial from a single person

see the difference there, or has your strawman just covered you up?

Yeah, plus all media is biased. Instead of bitching about the bias we need to just use our heads when we watch/read things and always consider the source. Media companies shouldn't have to be completely objective, or even objective at all. That's part of exercising the whole freedom of the press thing :idea: It's supposed to be our job to be able to cut through the bullshit with our own free minds. Media companies have every right to be as biased as they want to be, just like we, the people, have every right to be as ignorant/stupid as we want to be.

DocGonzo
11-01-2008, 12:59 AM
Right, this is the first time this place has linked huffington post. And by first time, I mean this is probably the 3rd or 4th time it has been linked today (without even being on I'll bet I'm right)

And please, spare me from your little speech about strawmen considering you might as well have a full-time job in making scarecrows.

lawl..failed attempt at making this about me

first, you will probably lose your bet....today, there are other days when you would have won

second..i am talking about THIS thread...since we are in it, if i thought the sentiment would fit every fucking time you post the same exact line on this topic....you would have known it by now...i don't....this time it is a blatant opinion piece, seen from the fucking title even...therefore your snark does not apply, which i pointed out

and finally...if i build any strawmen they will be zombified, well armed and coming to fuck your pets to death with their huge haystack dicks...

now take your self righteous but logically fallacious bullshit off mah Bridge...

Feyrband
11-01-2008, 01:13 AM
sound's like this guy's wife slipped a finger in his ass during a bj and liked it a little too much.

Caffy
11-01-2008, 01:31 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/an-open-letter-to-all-rep_b_127709.html

Every time some one takes the Huffingtard post seriously, baby Jesus delays Darkfall.

Stop delaying Darkfall you stupid mother fucker!

BladeSLicer
11-01-2008, 01:42 AM
What has me confused, though, is how he arrived at the conclusion that voting for Obama is a good thing?

DocGonzo
11-01-2008, 01:43 AM
Every time some one takes the Huffingtard post seriously, baby Jesus delays Darkfall.

Stop delaying Darkfall you stupid mother fucker!

we fixed it...

a few of us went over and PK'ed baby Jeebus... the shepherds put up a bit of a fight...but it was a full wipe

Brekken
11-01-2008, 01:44 AM
Every time some one takes the Huffingtard or DrudgeReport post seriously, baby Jesus delays Darkfall.

Stop delaying Darkfall you stupid mother fucker!

fixt

Temet nosce
11-01-2008, 01:45 AM
we fixed it...

a few of us went over and PK'ed baby Jeebus... the shepherds put up a bit of a fight...but it was a full wipe

I don't know, remember that one who ran off screaming? I don't really count that as much of a fight.

Honorius
11-01-2008, 01:45 AM
The museum tells us...

Fylraen
11-01-2008, 01:54 AM
What has me confused, though, is how he arrived at the conclusion that voting for Obama is a good thing?

Look at his list of complaints. He doesn't hate the government. There are a lot of people who think the government has a place in a functional, idealized society. They just don't post on forumfall.

Piece was too ranty, it started out strong and just degenerated into namecalling.

Brekken
11-01-2008, 02:09 AM
Look at his list of complaints. He doesn't hate the government. There are a lot of people who think the government has a place in a functional, idealized society. They just don't post on forumfall.

Piece was too ranty, it started out strong and just degenerated into namecalling.

It was very preachy indeed, but consider who he is and what his position was in the movement. That's just their style although I am sure they are flabbergasted to see that vitriol turned against themselves by what used to be one of their own.

DocGonzo
11-01-2008, 02:11 AM
nah...they'll just say "de debul made him say it"

Barbarossa
11-01-2008, 02:16 AM
Sorry comrade OP.

The only red I want to see is blood particles in Darkfall...

lafayette
11-01-2008, 02:23 AM
So lets see if i can sum up the atricle.

"Vote for Obama, because hes everything McCain and Bush are not and vise versa"

... :rolleyes:


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27354149/

Mr.LichTwitch
11-01-2008, 02:56 AM
Sorry comrade OP.

The only red I want to see is blood particles in Darkfall...

I'll be turning that effect off, if possible.

Reckin Crew
11-01-2008, 03:20 AM
Why do you people read the Huffington post and then have the gall to bitch about fox news being biased?

I'm gonna start linking to Rush Limbaugh as a factual, unbiased source.

my thoughts exactly. What would be real funny and this is my prediction...that McCain ends up winning by a nose. The look on these peoples faces....Nov 5th waking up to that news..."Obama loses"...New Black Panther party with Nation of Islam members storming the White House.:lmao:

Al Sharpton and Oprah leading the charge....you can only dream.

Brekken
11-01-2008, 03:26 AM
....Nov 5th waking up to that news..."Obama loses"...New Black Panther party with Nation of Islam members storming the White House.:lmao:

Al Sharpton and Oprah leading the charge....you can only dream.

Do they not have a white hooded figure available for your avatar?

Reckin Crew
11-01-2008, 03:40 AM
Do they not have a white hooded figure available for your avatar?

its a humorous hypothetical...but really, what do you think the response would be from Democrats, Black People, Huff herself......? The worlds response...?

Brekken
11-01-2008, 03:45 AM
its a humorous hypothetical...but really, what do you think the response would be from Democrats, Black People, Huff herself......? The worlds response...?

In that case, sorry for the crack. I do not believe the reaction would be that pleasant if there was eveidence the election was stolen. Things might be seriously bad, but hey Dewey defeats Truman, things like this have precedent.

I am splitting my ticket between Dems and Repubs, voting Obama for Prez. I can live with McCain I guess but Palin being that close scares the bejeezus outta me.

Reckin Crew
11-01-2008, 03:47 AM
Look what story i just ran across:

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- It's not exactly "DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN," but some newspaper editors are pondering how to deal with a "Doonesbury" comic strip to be published the day after the election that assumes Barack Obama will win the presidency.

Comic creator Garry Trudeau delivered a series of strips for next week's papers showing his characters reacting to an Obama victory. But he offered no such option in the event of a comeback by John McCain, who's trailing Obama in the polls.

Trudeau's syndicator is offering papers a series of rerun strips from August. But the Obama story line is forcing some editors to question whether "Doonesbury" could put them in a spot -- albeit in the funny pages -- similar to 1948, when the Chicago Daily Tribune infamously declared in huge, front-page type that Republican Thomas Dewey had beaten Democrat Harry Truman for the presidency.

The strip shows three soldiers watching TV and reacting to this announcement: "And it's official -- Barack Obama has won ... Making him the first African-American president in history!"
"Hoo-Ah!" one of the soldiers says.

"Son of a gun! What a great, great day! We did it!" another soldier says.

"He's half-white, you know," says a white soldier.

"You must be so proud," responds a soldier, who isn't white.

The rest of the week's strips allude to an Obama victory.

Tim Bannon, editor of the Chicago Tribune's Live! section, where the paper's comics usually run, said the strip won't appear in the comics section because of deadline issues but might end up on another page.

"If McCain wins, we would never run it," he said. "If Obama were to win, we would try to see if we can get it in somehow in some other place. ... It strikes us as being a little strange to have that strip if that's not how it ends up. It's not like he hedged it so it works either way."

Kathie Kerr, a spokeswoman for the Kansas City-based Universal Press Syndicate, said about a dozen calls have come in from newspaper editors.

"They're still coming in," Kerr said Friday. "After we got the initial inquiries, we asked Garry to pick substitutes for the editors who were not comfortable with running the strips."

Trudeau, who lives in New York, said he might have provided papers with a McCain option if the election were a toss-up. But, he said, at the time he drew the strip, poll analysts were giving McCain less than a 4 percent chance of winning.

"From a risk-assessment viewpoint, I felt comfortable with the odds," Trudeau said in an e-mail to The Associated Press. "The way I see it, if Obama wins, I'm in the flow and commenting on an extraordinary phenomenon.

"If he loses, there'll be such a national uproar that a blown call in a comic strip won't be much noticed. Besides, I'll be the one with the egg on my face -- not the editors."

"Doonesbury" appears in nearly 1,400 daily and Sunday newspapers in the U.S. and overseas. Through the years, the strip -- born out of a cartoon that Yale graduate Trudeau wrote for the college paper -- has used humor and biting commentary to address a broad sweep of society's foibles, from war, race relations and AIDS to same-sex marriage and stem cell research.
Trudeau has frustrated editors before:

-- In 2005, some editors pulled or edited a strip in which former President Bush aide Karl Rove was referred to as "Turd Blossom," one of several nicknames Bush reportedly had for Rove.

-- In 2004, at least 20 papers objected to a strip in which Vice President Dick Cheney used the F-word, rendered mostly in dashes.

-- Trudeau apologized in 2004 after a strip showed a man's head on a platter two weeks after American Nicholas Berg was beheaded in Iraq. The strip was unrelated to the war and was drawn weeks before Berg was killed.

A strip that caused a stir in early October attacked Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin's "family values."

Naedine Hazell, assistant managing editor of features and business for The Hartford Courant in Connecticut, dismissed the fuss over the Obama strips. The Courant plans to run the series.

"It's a comic. I don't think people necessarily expect accuracy in comics. There's all sorts of wack stuff in comics," Hazell said.

"I don't think Snoopy actually flies his doghouse either."


He thinks it would be bad too:

"If he loses, there'll be such a national uproar that a blown call in a comic strip won't be much noticed. Besides, I'll be the one with the egg on my face -- not the editors."

Hecubis
11-01-2008, 04:24 AM
It'll be awesome when Obama wins and 2 years from now it'll be the Democrats making exuses for staying in Iraq while Republicans start screaming that it's time for the troops to come home.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27354149/

Amen to that.

DocGonzo
11-01-2008, 04:30 AM
It'll be awesome when Obama wins and 2 years from now it'll be the Democrats making exuses for staying in Iraq while Republicans start screaming that it's time for the troops to come home.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27354149/

Amen to that.

true enough...

or things could be just a little bit better than they are now...and the Ds improve their majority

the cycle is coming 'round again and it's 1980, imo

Fledrel
11-01-2008, 05:37 AM
Quit being ignorant. I live in Pittsburgh, a democrat stronghold. I can find more hard workers in this region than most other regions of this country,So the steel industry works harder than the miners? than the farmers? than nurses?
and we have a relatively small population. It's been in our blood since well before we were making the steel that built most of this country's cities and fueled a WWII victory.
nice how you claim the actions of your ancestors and forefathers as your own, And how without you we would have lost WWII. Also before you led the US to a victory in WWII your city was a Republican stronghold.

We bust our asses and pay our dues just as much as, if not more, than anybody else in this country. You obviously don't know shit about demographics.Demograpics?? you bust your asses more than the rest of the country? Your full of shit. and obviously full of your self as well.


Lets take a look at current democrat views.

Well-to-do people dont deserve their monies so we must tax them more and give checks to those below the poverty line.
Lets not produce more jobs, lets just make welfare better.
Lets make it so that everyone can have insurance or healthcare through the govt. instead of giving more jobs so people can buy their own insurance.
Lets stop businesses by taxing them more and restricing what they can and cant do, to the point they layoff people to pay for their extra expenses; or send jobs overseas.
Lets kill innocent unborn children, Yet, lets give the rapist/murder a third chance.
Lets lower penalties/legalize drugs(considering the largest portion of drug users are the lower class)

But its ok I suppose, It all makes sense really. Keep the poor man down and ignorant so that they can secure their voter base.
Give a man a fish each day ( make him dependent) or teach a man to fish (make him independent).

You need to quit being ignorant and thinking that your so special.

Feyrband
11-01-2008, 05:47 AM
Quit being ignorant. I live in Pittsburgh, a democrat stronghold. I can find more hard workers in this region than most other regions of this country, and we have a relatively small population. It's been in our blood since well before we were making the steel that built most of this country's cities and fueled a WWII victory. We bust our asses and pay our dues just as much as, if not more, than anybody else in this country. You obviously don't know shit about demographics.

and thanks to you we have the fucking Pittsburgh Steelers :bang:

Heinousone
11-01-2008, 06:01 AM
So what happens when the democrats hold the White House and have enough votes in both the House and Senate to no longer need republican votes?

Kind of takes away your ace in the hole. That being blaming republicans. What then?

MinusInnocence
11-01-2008, 06:23 AM
A little too much vitriol for my liking, even if I agree with his conclusions about the conservative coalition that makes up that party. But someone could put on a similar diatribe against the Democrats, too.

greeneggsnoham
11-01-2008, 06:38 AM
To the OP:

9.5 for content.

0.5 for delivery. Calling people names does not win them to your side. It only proves them right (in their minds)

Hecubis
11-01-2008, 06:56 AM
Lets take a look at current democrat views.

Well-to-do people dont deserve their monies so we must tax them more and give checks to those below the poverty line.
Lets not produce more jobs, lets just make welfare better.
Lets make it so that everyone can have insurance or healthcare through the govt. instead of giving more jobs so people can buy their own insurance.
Lets stop businesses by taxing them more and restricing what they can and cant do, to the point they layoff people to pay for their extra expenses; or send jobs overseas.
Lets kill innocent unborn children, Yet, lets give the rapist/murder a third chance.
Lets lower penalties/legalize drugs(considering the largest portion of drug users are the lower class)

But its ok I suppose, It all makes sense really. Keep the poor man down and ignorant so that they can secure their voter base.
Give a man a fish each day ( make him dependent) or teach a man to fish (make him independent).

It's not like the Republicans have done a very good job at protecting the free market or reducing the size of government though. Quite the opposite actually. I think the past 8 years have proven that the Republicans don't believe in limited government anymore, so you might as well drop the act.

As for the drug war: prison populations mostly consist of lower class folks jailed for victimless crimes, but lately it seems quite apparent that the wealthy wall street fatcats have been smoking more than their fair share of crack.

Estrang
11-01-2008, 07:10 AM
I strongly disagree with anymore pollution, the question is, does obama endorse less oil drilling? Who can tell with that guy.

Mr.LichTwitch
11-01-2008, 07:29 AM
So the steel industry works harder than the miners? than the farmers? than nurses? Western PA has a lot of miners, a lot of nurses, and a good amount of farmers too. Steel has just been the predominant industry here. Again L2 demographics. I said we work just as hard, if not, harder than any other region in the country. I didn't say we harder than everybody.

nice how you claim the actions of your ancestors and forefathers as your own, And how without you we would have lost WWII. Also before you led the US to a victory in WWII your city was a Republican stronghold. I didn't say we won the war, but we sure did fuel the U.S effort with the VAST majority of steel/metals. And I don't claim the actions of my forefathers. I claim the examples and work ethic that they impressed upon this region and it's people for the past 250+ years. Something people here strive to live up to every day.

Demograpics?? you bust your asses more than the rest of the country? Your full of shit. and obviously full of your self as well. I'm not full of myself. I'm just pointing out why you're full of shit with your broad generalization of democrats all being lazy and sitting home to collect checks. I think the Pittsburgh region is a strong example of why you're full of shit.


Lets take a look at current democrat views.

Well-to-do people dont deserve their monies so we must tax them more and give checks to those below the poverty line.
Lets not produce more jobs, lets just make welfare better.
Lets make it so that everyone can have insurance or healthcare through the govt. instead of giving more jobs so people can buy their own insurance.
Lets stop businesses by taxing them more and restricing what they can and cant do, to the point they layoff people to pay for their extra expenses; or send jobs overseas.
Lets kill innocent unborn children, Yet, lets give the rapist/murder a third chance.
Lets lower penalties/legalize drugs(considering the largest portion of drug users are the lower class)

But its ok I suppose, It all makes sense really. Keep the poor man down and ignorant so that they can secure their voter base.
Give a man a fish each day ( make him dependent) or teach a man to fish (make him independent).

I'm a registered independent so you arguing issues is moot with me. My only point is that you're clueless if you think all democrats fall into your description as being lazy, welfare collecting bums.

You need to quit being ignorant and thinking that your so special.

Response is in the quote.

Desperado[1G]
11-01-2008, 08:39 AM
lolhuffpo

I heard one of their blog authors went insane and stabber her roommate.

Jarkovii
11-01-2008, 08:54 AM
Since the government is seen as the enemy of freedom by you, if it doesn't work so much the better!

Probably the most important sentence in Vessols article post.

Ignorance is total bliss.

vaier
11-01-2008, 09:17 AM
tl:dr
I read about 1/4 and quit.
Also, seriously. FUCKING INTERNET FORUM, NOT WHINE-CENTRAL! WE DONT CARE HERE, VOTE FOR WHOEVER YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR, I'M VOTING FOR OBAMA BECAUSE HE'S COOL AND COZ HE KEEPS SAYING HOPE AND CHANGE! IT'S HILARIOUS!

Hecubis
11-01-2008, 09:22 AM
I'm gonna contact Acorn to see if I can vote for Obama as well.

MinusInnocence
11-01-2008, 10:09 AM
I'm gonna contact Acorn to see if I can vote for Obama as well.Maybe you already have. It's a short step from forged registration cards to out-and-out voter fraud.

5%Luck
11-01-2008, 12:43 PM
You have hit the nail on the head OP. Ive been rummaging though all that in my head(-the named) for a long time. Thank you for bringing all to one list. One thing you may not be realizing is the neo-cons are actually against the religious right. They are in place to destroy the love of god and bring about hatred and even i say devil worship. They have single handedlly brought under scrutiny our faith in our own eyes and that IS their goal. All other goals of this "party" are aimed at that end. If you are careful, and learned a lot from your father, you would know that faith is the central article of Christianity. Humility in life yes. But faith should be unwavering.

Fylraen
11-01-2008, 03:09 PM
So what happens when the democrats hold the White House and have enough votes in both the House and Senate to no longer need republican votes?

Kind of takes away your ace in the hole. That being blaming republicans. What then?

Then we see if they can accomplish anything. If they can't it's third party time.