Palin also believes in spreading the wealth

[mutantmagnet]

McCain really shot himself in the foot by picking her. (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hgSOF08EZJrEAB34f2kJkANBWguAD9454P NG0)

While the flaws of Obama are troubling Palin takes those same flaws to a whole new level that completely undermines McCain even though she's only the VP candidate.

[jonyak]

I wish she would spread something else.

[Teutates]

Gotta love USA politics and Media converage.


Anyway if I was McCain I wouldn't even want to be president because you'd have to deal with Palin 4 years.

[Helgeran]

I wish she would spread something else.
STD?

[jonyak]

STD?

her legs.

[Lictor]

her legs.

How? What do you mean.

[jonyak]

How? What do you mean.

we need a facepalm smilie.

[Brekken]

How much did each Alaskan get?

[PrimalSign]

I wish she would spread something else.

Wins the thread!

[Helgeran]

her legs.
You mean like stepping on a landmine and having the gore fly all across the states? I think that would spread STD as well.

[Phaethor]

Whoa...

I need to move to Alaska. Man I would have gotten $19,614 from her Socialist "Share the Oil Wealth" program.

Best,

Phae

[jonyak]

You mean like stepping on a landmine and having the gore fly all across the states? I think that would spread STD as well.

thats exactly what I meant.

[alfaroverall]

I'm happy to say that I lol'd at the entirety of this thread. There is little else to be said at this point, imo.

[kordoyn]

lulz at that.

That's what happens when you have a woman doing a job outside the kitchen/bedroom. McCain of all people should be old enough to know.

[Lethn]

lulz at that.

That's what happens when you have a woman doing a job outside the kitchen/bedroom. McCain of all people should be old enough to know.

Quoted for future sexism references.

TELL ME YOU SAW THIS LAMIOSA!!!!

[h2th3izo]

LOL palin is really terrible.

[Eclipso]

McCain really shot himself in the foot by picking her. (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hgSOF08EZJrEAB34f2kJkANBWguAD9454P NG0)

While the flaws of Obama are troubling Palin takes those same flaws to a whole new level that completely undermines McCain even though she's only the VP candidate.
Please someone tell me that the election is close ... i am very very bored of reading basically the same two sort's of people arguing the same things to the retardtedly fine points ... Only to agree when someone from outside the US say's something.
With the usual respnse of Socialist! or ' Its a big country and its different'

Get some different parties FFS.

[kordoyn]

Please someone tell me that the election is close ... i am very very bored of reading basically the same two sort's of people arguing the same things to the retardtedly fine points ... Only to agree when someone from outside the US say's something.
With the usual respnse of Socialist! or ' Its a big country and its different'

Get some different parties FFS.

4 more days. This won't stop after the election. On Nov 5th I'll be telling you what it feels like to bend over for Obama. Ouch.

[Matriel]

I wish she would spread something else.

Haha, you made me laugh out loud.

[Lictor]

we need a facepalm smilie.

Read a tiny edit text on the bottom of my post.
Pwned! <facepalm smiley FTW>
:ninja:

[Bissen]

Palin believes many things. The creation of the world 6000 years ago, is another one.

[kordoyn]

Haha, you made me laugh out loud.

He was talking about the Jam on his toast, not what you were thinking of.,

[PrimalSign]

Get some different parties FFS.

Oh we have different parties. The problem is that most people don't realize they have more than 2 choices.

The Simpson's episode Treehouse of Horror VII sums the system up rather well:

Homer: America, take a good look at your beloved candidates. They're
nothing but hideous space reptiles.
Kodos: It's true, we are aliens. But what are you going to do about
it? It's a two-party system; you have to vote for one of us.
Man1: He's right, this is a two-party system.
Man2: Well, I believe I'll vote for a third-party candidate.
Kang: Go ahead, throw your vote away.
[Kang and Kodos laugh out loud]

[DocGonzo]

How much did each Alaskan get?

varies form year to year...my father in law said this year it was $3k per person for him and my mother in law

i don't know if it's in the op link, (will look when i get home)..but last night there were audio clips (and some video) of her bragging about Alaska being the socialist state where everyone shares the wealth form the oil companies

it might indeed be the clips linked...as i said, i'll check later

[stalwart]

Alaska's situation is MUCH different than the rest of the united states. to be completely honest, I don't care what individual states do. they can be as communist as they want to be. i have a problem when it's done on the federal level.

i have very good access to my texas representatives, and we have 23 million people. i can walk into their office and demand to see my representative if he's around... and i've done that before. i can't imagine how easy it would be to call up your representative in alaska and have a conversation with them with only 670k people or so.

now for the "socialism" in alaska. they have set up their resources more like a co-op system, where everyone in the state owns the oil there, collectively, and private companies manage the oil drilling and production. it's not income redistribution at all. it's distribution, and at a flat rate - it being a flat rate makes me soooo much happier about it, as well. the state doesn't give more to certain people because they make more or less than anyone else.

comparing alaska to the contiguous states is apples and oranges. doesn't work like that at all. it's like comparing GUAM and california. give me a fucking break.

[DocGonzo]

ummm...collectively owning something with it being administered by the state is the textbook definition of socialism

there is also the simple fact that Alaska has received more federal pork per capita than any other two states combined

i'm just sayin'...

[Lethn]

Told you they were all the same.

ummm...collectively owning something with it being administered by the state is the textbook definition of socialism

And actually look up what fucking socialism is, what your describing there is communism.

[RootBeerFloat]

Thread won by first post :p

[Killuminati]

I wish she would spread something else.

/thread

[Septus]

now for the "socialism" in alaska. they have set up their resources more like a co-op system, where everyone in the state owns the oil there, collectively, and private companies manage the oil drilling and production. it's not income redistribution at all. it's distribution, and at a flat rate - it being a flat rate makes me soooo much happier about it, as well. the state doesn't give more to certain people because they make more or less than anyone else.

That's the very definition of socialism - state ownership.

Socialism doesn't dictate the method by which you distribute the goods.

Somehow if Obama brought up nationalizing resources (so US citizens got their own oil like every other nation on earth), it'd be the most evil plan since Nazi Germany.

That's the double standard everyone is laughing at you about.

[Duncandun]

actually what stalwart is describing is communism.

collective ownership by the people, for the people... is communism.

owned by the state, for the benifit of the people, is socialism.

[Lethn]

actually what stalwart is describing is communism.

collective ownership by the people, for the people... is communism.

owned by the state, for the benifit of the people, is socialism.

It's the other way round you moron, go and fucking look it up!

[LordTenacious]

Hahahaha, right. "For the benefit".

Whatever you say, chief.

[Septus]

actually what stalwart is describing is communism.

collective ownership by the people, for the people... is communism.

owned by the state, for the benifit of the people, is socialism.

It's a fine line. Communism wouldn't allow for profit off of the oil, even for the drillers.

Socialism just dictates that the oil belongs to the state and the people decide what to do with it. In this case, the people decided to charge a fee to anyone who wanted to drill it.

[DocGonzo]

communism owns everything in the name of the people, from what i understand...socialism only has certain things controlled by the government, in the name of the people

hence why there has never been a real communist state....but the hybrid economies of parts of Europe are usually considered socialist

just a thought...

[alfaroverall]

It's the other way round you moron, go and fucking look it up!
In practice the two are identical, but they're actually right. There is no state in true communism.

[Fylraen]

I wish she would spread something else.

frosting, on a cake. in the kitchen.

[Rashgar]

Alaska and its mineral wealth are very different than anything else.

Alaska was purchased by the government. The Government actually owns the mineral rights of the land. Its not like most other places where private citizens own the land.

Oil companies pay royalties to the state. Some of which are given to each citizen. This is done so that people stay in Alaska.

People who use a Per Capita example of pork spending are also really stupid. 670k people is a medium sized city in most states. Anything costs more including milk the farther you get away from the production line and alaska is about as far away as you can get.

Obama wants to take wealth from individual people. Then give that away how he see's fit. Completely different from a royalty paid by a company to process and sell something that they do not own.

[DocGonzo]

Alaska and its mineral wealth are very different than anything else.

Alaska was purchased by the government. The Government actually owns the mineral rights of the land. Its not like most other places where private citizens own the land.

Oil companies pay royalties to the state. Some of which are given to each citizen. This is done so that people stay in Alaska.

People who use a Per Capita example of pork spending are also really stupid. 670k people is a medium sized city in most states. Anything costs more including milk the farther you get away from the production line and alaska is about as far away as you can get.

Obama wants to take wealth from individual people. Then give that away how he see's fit. Completely different from a royalty paid by a company to process and sell something that they do not own.

first...been to Alaska, my in-laws live there

as for your last paragraph, did you read what she said, or listen? or are you just knee jerking and spewing what your masters told you too like a good little dittohead?

[kordoyn]

Alaska and its mineral wealth are very different than anything else.

Alaska was purchased by the government. The Government actually owns the mineral rights of the land. Its not like most other places where private citizens own the land.

Oil companies pay royalties to the state. Some of which are given to each citizen. This is done so that people stay in Alaska.

People who use a Per Capita example of pork spending are also really stupid. 670k people is a medium sized city in most states. Anything costs more including milk the farther you get away from the production line and alaska is about as far away as you can get.

Obama wants to take wealth from individual people. Then give that away how he see's fit. Completely different from a royalty paid by a company to process and sell something that they do not own.


Pretty sure Palin wants to do exactly what Obama does, to a higher degree, but on a smaller scale...for now.

[Triffe]

I don't think some people are getting the point of the argument (or at least what it has been turned into)

Obama wants to take wealth from some of the citizenry, and give it to the others, or 'redistribute' it. What Alaska does is entirely different.

Alaska does not take wealth from its citizens. Oil permits are issued to ooil companies that drill for oil, and taxes are also charged on this oil. In stead of keeping all the money earned off of this process, the Alaskin goverment instead gives an even amount of that money to each citizen. EVERY citzen, man, women, or child gets the same amount. This is done under the philosophy that the oil is owned by the goverement, and the people are the goverement.

The two situations are completey different, and therefore no comparison can be drawn between the two. They are different because the situation with Obama takes money from one group and gives it to another. While as in Alaska all grps recieve a gain, in an even amount.

Also, laughing at Palin for this is stupid, this policy was established long before Palin was in office, and the amount fluctuates every year.

Finally, have never done this before, I hope I dawn my flameshield correctly. :sly:

[alfaroverall]

Alaska and its mineral wealth are very different than anything else.

Alaska was purchased by the government. The Government actually owns the mineral rights of the land. Its not like most other places where private citizens own the land.

Oil companies pay royalties to the state. Some of which are given to each citizen. This is done so that people stay in Alaska.

People who use a Per Capita example of pork spending are also really stupid. 670k people is a medium sized city in most states. Anything costs more including milk the farther you get away from the production line and alaska is about as far away as you can get.

Obama wants to take wealth from individual people. Then give that away how he see's fit. Completely different from a royalty paid by a company to process and sell something that they do not own.
How exactly is the purchase of Alaska different from the Louisiana Purchase or the Gadsden (sp?) Purchase? Serious question.

[Atua]

Palin wants to take corporate money and give it to other people, Obama wants to take private money and give it to other people, in the end it's all the same, whether you steal from shareholders or from taxpayers it's not really a big difference.

[DocGonzo]

I don't think some people are getting the point of the argument (or at least what it has been turned into)

Obama wants to take wealth from some of the citizenry, and give it to the others, or 'redistribute' it. What Alaska does is entirely different.

Alaska does not take wealth from its citizens. Oil permits are issued to ooil companies that drill for oil, and taxes are also charged on this oil. In stead of keeping all the money earned off of this process, the Alaskin goverment instead gives an even amount of that money to each citizen. EVERY citzen, man, women, or child gets the same amount. This is done under the philosophy that the oil is owned by the goverement, and the people are the goverement.

The two situations are completey different, and therefore no comparison can be drawn between the two. They are different because the situation with Obama takes money from one group and gives it to another. While as in Alaska all grps recieve a gain, in an even amount.

Also, laughing at Palin for this is stupid, this policy was established long before Palin was in office, and the amount fluctuates every year.

Finally, have never done this before, I hope I dawn my flameshield correctly. :sly:

and the oil companies are not made up of people?

that's where yer hypothesis falls apart, imo

there, that didn't hurt so much, did it?

[Brekken]

Obama wants to take wealth from individual people. Then give that away how he see's fit. Completely different from a royalty paid by a company to process and sell something that they do not own.


If by that you mean cut taxes on everyone making less than 200K after deductions and raise taxes 3.9% on the money people make over 250K after deductions then yes, that is the plan. I like it.

[Titus Ultor]

You idiots are trying to clearly define a single action as one of two very complex and overlapping political systems in a pithy defintion, which is quite nearly the stupidest thing done on this forum.

Both socialism and communism revolve around de-privatization of resources. Ideally, a fully communist system in the Marxist and Leninist senses is one in which there is no state and all things are shared equally (from each as he is able, to each as he has need), whereas socialism achieves the same ends through the state. In this sense, any non-violent political move towards deprivatization of property/wealth is inherently "socialist", and not communist, so the whole argument is irrelevant.

Further, in practice, states proclaiming themselves "fascist", "socialist", and "communist" are pretty much identical, which makes your entire argument even more idiotic.

But yeah, first reply won the thread.

[Estrang]

You are all dumb, and I am even dumber becuase I will sitting at my vote panel check box with a facepalm, becuase I fail with either choice.

[Killuminati]

You idiots are trying to clearly define a single action as one of two very complex and overlapping political systems in a pithy defintion, which is quite nearly the stupidest thing done on this forum.

Both socialism and communism revolve around de-privatization of resources. Ideally, a fully communist system in the Marxist and Leninist senses is one in which there is no state and all things are shared equally (from each as he is able, to each as he has need), whereas socialism achieves the same ends through the state. In this sense, any non-violent political move towards deprivatization of property/wealth is inherently "socialist", and not communist, so the whole argument is irrelevant.

Further, in practice, states proclaiming themselves "fascist", "socialist", and "communist" are pretty much identical, which makes your entire argument even more idiotic.

But yeah, first reply won the thread.

statists are statists :D

[Triffe]

and the oil companies are not made up of people?

that's where yer hypothesis falls apart, imo

there, that didn't hurt so much, did it?

In fact my hypothesis is still strong. Yes Oil Companies are made up of people, but the company is not a citizen, the people inside the company do their best to make money, in the best and fastest way they can, and while some of them may be citizens (even Alaskans who get the dividened) the company is no way represented by the United States (connotations aside). The company is a seperate entity that does what it can to make money, while having to follow the laws of whatever land it is attempting to make that money in. For the company to make money, the people in the company use the companyies money to pay the toll. Those people do not lose personal wealth.

[DocGonzo]

In fact my hypothesis is still strong. Yes Oil Companies are made up of people, but the company is not a citizen, the people inside the company do their best to make money, in the best and fastest way they can, and while some of them may be citizens (even Alaskans who get the dividened) the company is no way represented by the United States (connotations aside). The company is a seperate entity that does what it can to make money, while having to follow the laws of whatever land it is attempting to make that money in. For the company to make money, the people in the company use the companyies money to pay the toll. Those people do not lose personal wealth.

the company is not a citizen?..i wish it were so...sometime in the 1890's corps were recognized as legal entities by SCOTUS, because they were made from the collective of shareholders...

so those citizens are taxed on their investment's profit and that wealth is "shared" by he state to the citizens while they give nothing in return...

sounds just like the definitions of socialism and wealth distribution to me

[mutantmagnet]

Those people do not lose personal wealth.

Yes they do.

Ignoring that I find your distinction that Alaska leasing their oil land (if that's what it is) to be a fair point. One thing though that confuses me about that distinction is that Alaska isn't the only party that dictates if oil companies can use that land. The entire US gov't gets a say in the issue if I understand things correctly.

[Triffe]

the company is not a citizen?..i wish it were so...sometime in the 1890's corps were recognized as legal entities by SCOTUS, because they were made from the collective of shareholders...

so those citizens are taxed on their investment's profit and that wealth is "shared" by he state to the citizens while they give nothing in return...

sounds just like the definitions of socialism and wealth distribution to me

You should read a bit more, SCOTUS merely gives companies legal standing so that they may represent themselves , and their shareholders, in law. This allows a company to sue, or be sued, and other such legal things, such as hold patents. It however does not make the company a citizen.

Also, they are not taxed on their investments profit. Investors invest money to make money, simple isn't it. That is the freedom of a capitolist society. The goverement makes no say in how and were you spend your money, that is up to you. However the goverment has established that spending your money on certain things also involes paying a fee (tax) to the goverment. This is not wealth distribution as it is being defined in this thread.

Wealth distribution is taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor, the poor having done nothing but be poor (no offense mean't, can't soften the blow). By raising taxes on the rich, who already pay more taxes for being rich, then lowering them on the poor, this redifines how much each group pays to keep the goverement running.

Finally, I haven't really given any political view here, and I don't plan to. But I am trying to get people to think a little more before posting, as you oboviously do Mr. Gonzo ;). So chew on this. In a goverment that represents the people equaly, why do so few pay so much? Why are factions base on race and creed? Why do political candidates base their compaigns on the perticular zealots they are going to preach to the coming day?

No, what Alaska does is nothing like changing the tax on different groups unevenly. No, a corporation is not a citizen.

[Xtra-Medium]

I wish she would spread something else.

she aint even hot, but lol we would all like to be able to say "I fucked the vice president bitch"

[Lethn]

she aint even hot, but lol we would all like to be able to say "I fucked the vice president bitch"

She's not even VP yet, just a candidate.

[Triffe]

Yes they do.

Ignoring that I find your distinction that Alaska leasing their oil land (if that's what it is) to be a fair point. One thing though that confuses me about that distinction is that Alaska isn't the only party that dictates if oil companies can use that land. The entire US gov't gets a say in the issue if I understand things correctly.

The U.S. Goverment owns all the land and none of it at the same time. One distinction that seems to be lost is the individuality of all the states(big goveremnt gets you that). The federal goverment dosen;t really control much. The states do. When Alaska became a state, it also gained control of the land, which was before owned by the fed as a territory.

Of course the fed goverment likes to have a say as much relies upon Alaskan oil, but Alaska still controls it. Also, reserve land as a different pot all together. Land that is designated as a national park (or similar) is dictated by special laws that do originate from the federal goverement. That is not the same land that is currently being used for oil.

[Reckin Crew]

varies form year to year...my father in law said this year it was $3k per person for him and my mother in law

i don't know if it's in the op link, (will look when i get home)..but last night there were audio clips (and some video) of her bragging about Alaska being the socialist state where everyone shares the wealth form the oil companies

it might indeed be the clips linked...as i said, i'll check later

hasnt this been a practice for years to lure people to live up there...?

You wouldnt catch me living up there....screw that 6 months night 6 months day crap.

[Reckin Crew]

That's the very definition of socialism - state ownership.

Socialism doesn't dictate the method by which you distribute the goods.

Somehow if Obama brought up nationalizing resources (so US citizens got their own oil like every other nation on earth), it'd be the most evil plan since Nazi Germany.

That's the double standard everyone is laughing at you about.

But what is the price of that oil sold at? Wouldnt the world market dicate the price like we're seeing now...? Whats it at...under 60 dollars yet?

[greeneggsnoham]

That article is a piece of biased crap, and both sides stating that the phrase "spreading the wealth" = socialist is bollocks.

However, I did find this report (http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html) interesting.

What would happen to all those states who receive more from the federal government than they provide in taxes if the feds decided to spread the wealth evenly, hmmmm?

For those who are too terrified of rickrolls to click the link, some interesting facts would be that ibn 2005 Alaska received $1.84 in spending for every dollar they pay the feds. Meanwhile, states like New Jersey and Connecticut receive about 65 cents in spending from the government for every dollar they pay in federal tax.

Is collecting more taxes from wealthy states to provide funding for less wealthy states socialism too? If so, is Palin willing to stop receiving a return of 184% on the taxes her state provides to the fed?

[Lord Caim]

I always knew McCain chooses to surround himself with women, attractive or not. He's just a plain perv.

[Ignignokt]

What's funny is how democrats are so desperate, that after failing to insult mccain, they now turn their heads to sarah. Honestly people, if mccain wins, sarah would be the VP, NOT PRESIDENT.

Long story short, democrats fail at insults.

[Ammon777]

What's funny is how democrats are so desperate, that after failing to insult mccain, they now turn their heads to sarah. Honestly people, if mccain wins, sarah would be the VP, NOT PRESIDENT.

Long story short, democrats fail at insults.
Desperate? LOL, Is that why they are winning everything right now, like the fucking White House, the Congress, and the House? They are far from desperate, they are fucking winning everything due to 8 years of neocon Republican rule. If it wasnt for Bush, McCain wouldve had a chance. Sorry but Palin insults McCain with her own fucking female retardation. Palin is the worst thing to happen to McCain, and McCain is fully responsible, in fact it reflects directly back upon McCain's actual capabilities, since it was McCain that actually chose her for being his VP. He fucked up his most important campaign decision? Wut?

Srsly, stop watching Fawx News, noobtasticular little noob.

It is the Republicans that are desperate. They are fucken panicking bigtime. Even McCain is terrified of a Democrat controlled Congress, House, and White House... and guess what! THATS WHAT IS HAPPENING, GET WIT THE PROGRAM.

And honestly, ppl, McCain can die at any fucken point. How old is he, again? Go check. Wasnt he beaten for like 5 years? Sure, he survived, but dont you think his body is getting a little worn out? That would certainly wear out anyone's longevity. Anyone! The guy can barely stand to raise his arms, you can see that he has actual problems doing that (if youre observant). The guy is a grumpy old man, he has no sound judgement, in fact his ignorance is astounding, just watch the debate he had with Ron Paul, who PWNed his ass and proved that McCain is the most ignorant fucker running for Pres. Palin is much, much worse. There is such a high chance that Palin would be President of United States that its FRIGHTENING.

I am not voting for Obama, I am voting for Ron Paul, he is on the ticket in Montana. So no saying how I am a biased Democrat, mmk?

[vaier]

go ahead. THROW AWAY YOUR VOTE!
I'm voting for chicken and watermelon. Bitch.

[Ammon777]

go ahead. THROW AWAY YOUR VOTE!
I'm voting for chicken and watermelon. Bitch.

I wouldnt use racist-type symbology here, if I were you, dude.

[vaier]

I'm not american.
I just like the chicken and watermelon joke.
Hi, my name is Bob
I enjoy long walks on the beach and sunsets on the clifftops.

[Ammon777]

I'm not american.
I just like the chicken and watermelon joke.
I dont care about that, really.

I was just making you aware that you may possibly get an infraction.

And it doesnt matter if you arent in America. Racist symbols are still racist.

I wouldnt report a post like that, just sayin. Cuz i care. :)

well... i dont really actually "care"

[Krylas]

I'm not voting.
Obama's black, Mccain isn't patriotic, and Ron Paul is a Socialist.
But man, if I could put Palin in office I'd jump at that at a heartbeat.

[5%Luck]

Alaska's situation is MUCH different than the rest of the united states. to be completely honest, I don't care what individual states do. they can be as communist as they want to be. i have a problem when it's done on the federal level.

i have very good access to my texas representatives, and we have 23 million people. i can walk into their office and demand to see my representative if he's around... and i've done that before. i can't imagine how easy it would be to call up your representative in alaska and have a conversation with them with only 670k people or so.

now for the "socialism" in alaska. they have set up their resources more like a co-op system, where everyone in the state owns the oil there, collectively, and private companies manage the oil drilling and production. it's not income redistribution at all. it's distribution, and at a flat rate - it being a flat rate makes me soooo much happier about it, as well. the state doesn't give more to certain people because they make more or less than anyone else.

comparing alaska to the contiguous states is apples and oranges. doesn't work like that at all. it's like comparing GUAM and california. give me a fucking break.

How do you live with your self OMG

Talk about hardlining!

I mean its one thing to stick ith your party through thick and thin but to actually defend stupidity is like proving you are wrong in your support in the 1st place. Meaning its bad for the party!

[Spineless_DoO]

McCain really shot himself in the foot by picking her. (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hgSOF08EZJrEAB34f2kJkANBWguAD9454P NG0)

While the flaws of Obama are troubling Palin takes those same flaws to a whole new level that completely undermines McCain even though she's only the VP candidate.

So let me get this right... Oil companies get a sweet deal and are drilling in Alaska. In return they have to pay the state for the privilage to do so. Alaska having probably the best run conservative gov in the country takes its extra cash and sends it back to tax payers and we are going to call this spreading the wealth Obama style? If what Obama wants to do is even comparable to what Alaska has been doing in your world then you need to land your space ship and come back to planet earth. We are talking about 2 totally different worlds. A well run gov that can send extra income back to its residents is a good thing. Obama wants to enslave near the entire country to provide federal welfare for people who in most cases dont deserve it and its all run by Obama's double standard.

[Spineless_DoO]

I'm not voting.
Obama's black, Mccain isn't patriotic, and Ron Paul is a Socialist.
But man, if I could put Palin in office I'd jump at that at a heartbeat.

LOL!?! What?? Explain? /sarcasm?

[greeneggsnoham]

So let me get this right... Oil companies get a sweet deal and are drilling in Alaska. In return they have to pay the state for the privilage to do so. Alaska having probably the best run conservative gov in the country takes its extra cash and sends it back to tax payers and we are going to call this spreading the wealth Obama style? If what Obama wants to do is even comparable to what Alaska has been doing in your world then you need to land your space ship and come back to planet earth. We are talking about 2 totally different worlds. A well run gov that can send extra income back to its residents is a good thing. Obama wants to enslave near the entire country to provide federal welfare for people who in most cases dont deserve it and its all run by Obama's double standard.

Problem is that Alaska is NOT a well run state. If it were a well run state, they wouldn't need to receive the federal funds that they do.

See my previous post. For every dollar that Alaska pays in federal taxes, they receive 1.84 back in federal spending. Meanwhile states like Illinois receive less than 70 cents in federal spending for every dollar they send to the federal government.

That's not good governing. It's like the whole state is on welfare from the feds.

[Helgeran]

go ahead. THROW AWAY YOUR VOTE!
I'm voting for chicken and watermelon. Bitch.
Watermelons and chicken fuck yeah.

[Titus Ultor]

Fried chicken and watermelon is just an American South thing, tbh. The racist overtones hide the delicious, delicious reality.

[stalwart]

How do you live with your self OMG

Talk about hardlining!

I mean its one thing to stick ith your party through thick and thin but to actually defend stupidity is like proving you are wrong in your support in the 1st place. Meaning its bad for the party!

wait, what? what happens in alaska is not socialism. if anything, it's communism. and like i said before, i don't really mind it - at the state level. the federal level is bad, however.

just because i defend someone means i'm "hardlining?"

gtfo. i'm not sure who i'm going to vote for. but comparing alaska's oil program to the redistribution of wealth at the federal level is just fucking retarded.

one is distribution - AT A FLAT RATE. one is "redistribution" (as you fucks tend to use the word around here) - at variable rates.

it's absofuckinglutely retarded.

[Lictor]

But man, if I could put Palin in office I'd jump at that at a heartbeat.

Ok, but then what? You can fap to her pics even when she's not USA's VP, unless it's your fetish...

[Scully]

McCain really shot himself in the foot by picking her. (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hgSOF08EZJrEAB34f2kJkANBWguAD9454P NG0)

While the flaws of Obama are troubling Palin takes those same flaws to a whole new level that completely undermines McCain even though she's only the VP candidate.

Oh no... SPREADING THE WEALTH IS BAD!

[Ammon777]

I believe in spreading her pussy lips and licking.

Following that I will spread her butt cheeks and lick her ass.

After that I will brush my teeth, of course.

good timez.

[Lictor]

I believe in spreading her pussy lips and licking.

Following that I will spread her butt cheeks and lick her ass.

After that I will brush my teeth, of course.

good timez.

Ammon, learn this (http://www.healthystrokes.com/young.html).

[Ammon777]

Ammon, learn this (http://www.healthystrokes.com/young.html).

I think I have mastered that particular technique.

However, the real thing is so much better, trust me. :)

[Lictor]

However, the real thing is so much better, trust me. :)

How can I trust a guy on shrink meds?

[Ignignokt]

Desperate? LOL, Is that why they are winning everything right now, like the fucking White House, the Congress, and the House? They are far from desperate, they are fucking winning everything due to 8 years of neocon Republican rule. If it wasnt for Bush, McCain wouldve had a chance. Sorry but Palin insults McCain with her own fucking female retardation. Palin is the worst thing to happen to McCain, and McCain is fully responsible, in fact it reflects directly back upon McCain's actual capabilities, since it was McCain that actually chose her for being his VP. He fucked up his most important campaign decision? Wut?

Srsly, stop watching Fawx News, noobtasticular little noob.

It is the Republicans that are desperate. They are fucken panicking bigtime. Even McCain is terrified of a Democrat controlled Congress, House, and White House... and guess what! THATS WHAT IS HAPPENING, GET WIT THE PROGRAM.

And honestly, ppl, McCain can die at any fucken point. How old is he, again? Go check. Wasnt he beaten for like 5 years? Sure, he survived, but dont you think his body is getting a little worn out? That would certainly wear out anyone's longevity. Anyone! The guy can barely stand to raise his arms, you can see that he has actual problems doing that (if youre observant). The guy is a grumpy old man, he has no sound judgement, in fact his ignorance is astounding, just watch the debate he had with Ron Paul, who PWNed his ass and proved that McCain is the most ignorant fucker running for Pres. Palin is much, much worse. There is such a high chance that Palin would be President of United States that its FRIGHTENING.

I am not voting for Obama, I am voting for Ron Paul, he is on the ticket in Montana. So no saying how I am a biased Democrat, mmk?

lol, thanks for that. Add some sarcasm tags to that, and you just wrote my second post

[Ammon777]

How can I trust a guy on shrink meds?

I quit teh meds over 3 months ago. Try again with ur lame assumptions, plz, they are pretty amusing.

[heroshade]

Who cares? Palin is just a REALLY expensive prostitute IMO.

One blowjob for America's soul...

[Ammon777]

Who cares? Palin is just a REALLY expensive prostitute IMO.

One blowjob for America's soul...

I lived in Las Vegas for a year, and I am aware of much more economically-priced prostitutes. That do a way better job, and are 10000 times hotter.

just sayin it like it is...

[_DeathWish_]

I wish she would spread something else.


Who cares? Palin is just a REALLY expensive prostitute IMO.

One blowjob for America's soul...


....

lmao

[Eclipso]

I'd hit it .

[_DeathWish_]

I'd hit it .

Uh, who wouldn't? You'd have to be willing to pay child support though, shes not into abortion!

You can always kill her though if she gets impregnated

[Cribble]

I wish she would spread something else.

i c wat did dar

[Eclipso]

Uh, who wouldn't? You'd have to be willing to pay child support though, shes not into abortion!

You can always kill her though if she gets impregnated
I would be a illegal alien anyways...I would just leave the country.... she would have never even heard of where i am from anyway.

[_DeathWish_]

I would be a illegal alien anyways...I would just leave the country.... she would have never even heard of where i am from anyway.

LMAO

Very fortunate for you

I suppose you could always wear a mask though too! OR you can cut out her eyes, keep her in your basement! (I recommend this choice)

[Beorg]

I saw McCain's most recent ad that says: "We should spread the wealth around?" or something along those lines, and then continues to attack Obama. It featured actors who were saying "they were Joe the Plumber", and that they made over $250,000 a year and couldn't afford new taxes from Obama.

Honestly, how low will it go? McCain says Obama's not responsible enough, yet we elect a president who did absolutely nothing with his life before he became Governor of Texas. We elected Nixon, who eventually stole from us. George Washington was elected to lead the Colonists army by standing in the center of the room and presenting himself as a decorated military officer even though he didn't win one battle before he was elected. Experience is not an issue here, if he knows what he's going to do with the country, and has a plan to follow through with it, I don't see how "experience" matters.

[_DeathWish_]

I saw McCain's most recent ad that says: "We should spread the wealth around?" or something along those lines, and then continues to attack Obama. It featured actors who were saying "they were Joe the Plumber", and that they made over $250,000 a year and couldn't afford new taxes from Obama.

Honestly, how low will it go? McCain says Obama's not responsible enough, yet we elect a president who did absolutely nothing with his life before he became Governor of Texas. We elected Nixon, who eventually stole from us. George Washington was elected to lead the Colonists army by standing in the center of the room and presenting himself as a decorated military officer even though he didn't win one battle before he was elected. Experience is not an issue here, if he knows what he's going to do with the country, and has a plan to follow through with it, I don't see how "experience" matters.

Well dude, people are dumb if they dont know how to manage their taxes

You can prevent your company from supposedly making more than 250+k a year by increasing expenses. Fortunately in my business, buying HDTV's, 30" monitors, has reduced my overall profits below zero

Spend your money rather than give it away is quite a good choice IMHO

[mutantmagnet]

George Washington was elected to lead the Colonists army by standing in the center of the room and presenting himself as a decorated military officer even though he didn't win one battle before he was elected.

Seriously?:confused:

[Spart]

Seriously?:confused:

Exactly what I was thinking. This isn't true is it....?

[Killuminati]

Exactly what I was thinking. This isn't true is it....?

Seriously?:confused:

It isn't....

Washington went to the convention to make sure that a federal tax funded army would be added to the constitution because he found it incredibly difficult to fund his army during the Revolutionary War. You know...the one that he won....