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5%Luck
10-23-2008, 23:56
When viewing a subjective opinion one might say that it is so outside of circumstance but when viewed under the circumstances owning the opinion maker it may be viewed as objective.

Does this hold to the scrutiny of Forum Fall?

DocGonzo
10-23-2008, 23:58
no..objective by it's very definition means that it remains the same and inviolate no matter the viewpoint

whereas subjective is always open to change/interpretation/etc depending on viewpoint

oh yeah...sweet sig!

5%Luck
10-24-2008, 00:01
So an individual CANNOT have an objective opinion? Only groups? This is to say an individual must have the objectivity to see ones own circumstances clearly.

DocGonzo
10-24-2008, 00:04
a Trick question!!

and individual can strive for objectivity, but that is a rare commodity

it's not purely subjective viewpoint, but the ability to discount prejudice and actually observe, record and report just the factual data...and not add, invent or wish anything into the observation due to sheer subjective preconceptions/prejudices

ever read any Heinlein?

5%Luck
10-24-2008, 00:11
Heinlein? No. he seems a little to current for me. I stopped at John Austin's essay on excuses(U. of san-fran 1976(or close). But yes Im saying objectively overlay your own understanding of your circumstances for truth and then interweave them with the group and see if they hold up to scrutiny.

Slypieguy
10-24-2008, 00:14
Academic thread is academic.

John Austin blows btw, command theory for the primitive fail

5%Luck
10-24-2008, 00:18
Well in this place...


The academics seem to be the fail! In the original subjective/objective thread the main assumption was there is no objectivity at all. I just needed to make the dignity of this debate held a little higher than that.

If J.A. sux so bad thats just another excuse!

DocGonzo
10-24-2008, 00:22
Heinlein? No. he seems a little to current for me. I stopped at John Austin's essay on excuses(U. of san-fran 1976(or close). But yes Im saying objectively overlay your own understanding of your circumstances for truth and then interweave them with the group and see if they hold up to scrutiny.

Heinlein started writing in the 40's, and died in the 80's

no worries..in one of his books, he postulated the concept of the "Fair Witness", people with photographic memories trained to ONLY report objective fact

there is also a nice screed on getting the pure facts..to shun wishful thinking, what the stars foretell, what the neighbors say...etc...just the facts

Helgeran
10-24-2008, 00:22
I have no idea. Gratz on the spamtastic title Slyppie.

Slypieguy
10-24-2008, 00:25
I have no idea. Gratz on the spamtastic title Slyppie.

what title?

Helgeran
10-24-2008, 00:30
what title?
11,000+

Slypieguy
10-24-2008, 00:37
11,000+

Oh, that's so 2 weeks ago :p