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alhazred
10-11-2008, 20:50
here are some "open minded" quotes on gun control

Category: Gun Control

Firearms = rise in violence

“Given the fact that I’ve seen estimates that there are in excess of 200 million firearms already on the street, have we essentially said it’s okay to have the level of violence that we have in this country?”


- Pierre Thomas , April 20, 2007.




Rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment are outdated

“Let’s get back to the fundamentals: Life is more important than outdated ‘Second Amendment rights’ or special interest groups.”


- John Kelly IV




She doesn’t like guns

“I know this was a congressional law that was passed [allowing guns], but I don’t want to rubber stamp it. I guess just call me a crazy liberal or something, but I think there are enough guns out there…I can appreciate my fellow council members trying to ease my mind on this, but if Superman was carrying a gun I wouldn’t be OK with it.”


- Nancy Howard




All guns should be banned.

“The most effective means of fighting crime in the United States is to outlaw the possession of any type of firearm by the civilian populace.”


- Janet Reno , 1991.




The U.S. should ban guns.

“Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe.”


- Diane Feinstein , 1993.




The Second Amendment is expendable.

“We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans to legitimately own handguns and rifles. . .”


- Bill Clinton , Presumably during 1993.




Rebuking the Second Amendment.

“I don’t think there is a Second Amendment right to own a gun.”


- James Carville




Disarming America.

“Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.”


- Sara Brady , January 1994.

wertyn
10-11-2008, 20:51
"fail"

-Forumfall

bluthorn
10-11-2008, 20:53
Only if the police forces are disarmed as well :).
Oh, I can see it now...
"Hey, you there with the 12-gauge! Stop or I'll...uh....well sonofa..."
"Boom"

kordoyn
10-11-2008, 20:54
Forumfall feels this has been discussed 1238174 times already, and we don't need Matriel to hit 30k posts.

NapalmEnema
10-11-2008, 20:56
Give guns to everyone and then put bounties on the stupid people.

wertyn
10-11-2008, 20:57
Give guns to everyone and then put bounties on the stupid people.

is that a death wish?

Tharkon Fargor
10-11-2008, 20:57
If you come to a community you better try to addapt to it or you'll become an outcast.

Now please use search.

Mordhak
10-11-2008, 20:58
In before Matriel.

I'm all for guns. Criminals will get them anyway and I don't like to feel unsafe.

Forgin
10-11-2008, 20:58
So where's Matriel?

BladeSLicer
10-11-2008, 20:59
Fuck this thread. It's been discussed to hell and back a thousand times over, and really it just comes down to this:

1. Do you trust the government enough to let them disarm the law-abiding populace?

2. Would you rather put your safety in the hands of the government than that of your own?

3. Are you willing to give up certain rights for the illusion that it somehow makes you safer?

4. Do you realize that, with the size of our country and the number of guns that are readily available to everyone, making the possession of firearms illegal disarms none but the law-abiding citizens in the first place?

If you answered yes to the above questions, you wanna run to daddy government and hope he protects you from the neighborhood bullies. If you answered no, you've managed to retain some sense and dignity, and I applaud you for it.

I'll finish with a quote from my sig.

"Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth." -George Washington

Zeaph
10-11-2008, 20:59
Take away our rights to own guns, then take away our rights to be able to use knives.. or collect swords.. Their pointy we might fall on it and kill ourselves accidentally.. Seriously im worried about the kids, what if they decapitate little timmy?

After they take away our guns and our knives pretty soon we wont even be able to own a fork, your amendated ass will have to be cutting steak with a spoon. It will be like watching a three legged dog trying to lift its leg to pee (his front leg is missing jackass *for a visual*)

I dont own a gun, but when they make it illegal to have one I'll make sure I have two.

NapalmEnema
10-11-2008, 21:00
is that a death wish?

hahahaha

well played, I'll give you that one without a rejoiner. :lmao:

Arkh
10-11-2008, 21:01
Read "more guns, less crime". Then come back discuss.

Arkh
10-11-2008, 21:05
“Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State”
I luv this one about gun control.

Bamboopanda
10-11-2008, 21:09
I dont own a gun, but when they make it illegal to have one I'll make sure I have two.

I just wanted to have this pointed out. Tho why you wouldn't already own two or fifty is beyond me, not like the police are actually charged with protecting YOU, just social norms.

hardboiled
10-11-2008, 21:09
Funny how all those quotes are from the nineties or later. Back in the good old days when people weren't dumbed down socialists only nazis would say such things.

BladeSLicer
10-11-2008, 21:10
Funny how all those quotes are from the nineties or later. Back in the good old days when people weren't dumbed down socialists only nazis would say such things.

Socialism and Facism aren't too terribly different!

Razli
10-11-2008, 21:10
Forumfall feels this has been discussed 1238174 times already, and we don't need Matriel to hit 30k posts.

This is what I was going to say.

surGeonFFS
10-11-2008, 21:11
Another one of these threads that makes me wanna shoot myself.

BladeSLicer
10-11-2008, 21:12
Another one of these threads that makes me wanna shoot myself.

Which you could only do with the second amendment!

alhazred
10-11-2008, 21:12
Funny how all those quotes are from the nineties or later. Back in the good old days when people weren't dumbed down socialists only nazis would say such things.

hehe a smart one appears

Battle
10-11-2008, 21:14
"Anyone who tries to take my gun is going to get shot." - Me

Desperado[1G]
10-11-2008, 21:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lULr1p4DZh8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFRx-QoIKBM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwH4oZOA8YY&feature=related

Chuck sums up my point of view quite nicely

Metal Wolf
10-11-2008, 21:17
Gun control is using both hands.


I love that quote.

BlueElf
10-11-2008, 21:24
There are legit arguments in favor of gun control. (in theory)
We should have the right to bear arms ...
OR
Some shouldn't have any guns period... regulate those who can and who cant

I personally think we have the right have em. But thats beside the point.

The problem (IMO) is that regardless of what laws they put into effect, as far as gun control , isn't going to change a thing. Be it, no one can have em, or regulate who can.

I mean , if John Doe wants to rob a bank, kill mass amounts of people, or whatever .. and legally cant get a gun ... Do you really think a law saying he can't OR a law thats says NO one can have a gun will stop him?
People like this will ALWAYS find a way and do it anyway.

Those using guns to commits crimes will do so regardless of any laws put into place. Period. Regulating guns will not change that.

The only thing it will do is make it so the avg. law abiding citizen cant and weaken us against this type of stuff.

I wouldnt give mine up .....

ChuckDeuce
10-11-2008, 21:30
"Anyone who tries to take my gun is going to get shot." - Me

And me

Beorg
10-11-2008, 21:33
I'm not really against it as much as I think they should monitor the use of guns more than they do.

alhazred
10-11-2008, 21:40
I'm not really against it as much as I think they should monitor the use of guns more than they do.

it was the regestration that allowed hitler to to find and then take away all the guns

alhazred
10-11-2008, 21:44
;1797140']http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lULr1p4DZh8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFRx-QoIKBM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwH4oZOA8YY&feature=related

Chuck sums up my point of view quite nicely

i am glad to see that i am not alone on the internet

Drock
10-11-2008, 21:46
Banning guns is totally retarded. All it will do is make it so the law abiding citizen wont have any firearms, but guess what, criminals always will. There will always be a way of getting your hands on guns illegally. Most street drugs are illegal right? Does that stop people from getting their hands on them?

Plus there have been studies done that show in cities with more ppl who have concealed carry licenses, the crime rate drastically decreases. This is because ppl are much less likely to start shit with someone when there is a good chance that person is going to put a gun in their face.

However, if guns were illegal criminals wouldn't have to worry about that kind of thing, they could be assured that the only one with the gun is themselves.




***Whoops sorry i didn't take the time to read all the posts leading up to mine, I pretty much just repeated what everyone else has said.

Lofwyrr
10-11-2008, 21:53
Banning guns is totally retarded. All it will do is make it so the law abiding citizen wont have any firearms, but guess what, criminals always will. There will always be a way of getting your hands on guns illegally. Most street drugs are illegal right? Does that stop people from getting their hands on them?

Plus there have been studies done that show in cities with more ppl who have concealed carry licenses, the crime rate drastically decreases. This is because ppl are much less likely to start shit with someone when there is a good chance that person is going to put a gun in their face.

However, if guns were illegal criminals wouldn't have to worry about that kind of thing, they could be assured that the only one with the gun is themselves.

Yet the studies you consider do not consider looking at other countries and the average crime rate there.

Anyhow, the crime rate of america has little to do with guns.
As far as i know, canada has the same laws about guns, but far less crime.

On a side note, not to you, but another poster on the first page:
There is no such thing as SA or SS for more than 60 years by now.
And we have less crimes.

Beorg
10-11-2008, 21:55
it was the regestration that allowed hitler to to find and then take away all the guns

It was age that allowed King Herod to find and kill all babies under the age of two.

You see? I've cornered your stupid statement with another stupid statement. How does that make you feel? While we're at it, we can just let everybody take a gun and run around with it. That will surely lessen crime. Good idea, I support it fully. Now we can't trace down the gun use at a murder, or its owner. Smart, brilliant, I love it.

Arkh
10-11-2008, 22:01
There is no such thing as SA or SS for more than 60 years by now.
And we have less crimes.
The fact remains that one of the things dictators don't want before seizing all powers is an armed and not traceable population.

Layedballer
10-11-2008, 22:03
I don't trust my government enough to take my guns.
They can't provide me with enough protection to willingly give up my right to have guns and protect my family(or soon to be one)
Besides take guns out of good peoples hands than bad people will still have them

Carl Ragadamn
10-11-2008, 22:06
So where's Matriel?
Only one reason he wouldnt be here, DF Beta has started!!???

I don't trust my government enough to take my guns.
They can't provide me with enough protection to willingly give up my right to have guns and protect my family(or soon to be one)
Besides take guns out of good peoples hands than bad people will still have them

QFT.

And this topic is discussed atleast once a month here.

Knocky
10-11-2008, 22:21
Gun control is hitting your target.

I am a citizen, not a subject. You want socialism then move to Europe.






If you come to a community you better try to addapt to it or you'll become an outcast.

Now please use search.

Tell that to the effing Mexicans and Ricans.

Damwa
10-11-2008, 22:33
Gun control is hitting your target.

I am a citizen, not a subject. You want socialism then move to Europe.



If you come to a community you better try to addapt to it or you'll become an outcast.

Now please use search.


Tell that to the effing Mexicans and Ricans.

You're US Americans; you have no community, only individuals. You want socialism then move to Europe.

Gun control? I feel that threads about gun control are the sluts of Forumfall; they have been tossed, turned and bent over so many times it ain't even funny anymore. I could make a 10 page thread on Gun Control entirely by copy + pasting the highlights of all the previous threads. Not that it should stop anyone from taking their turn on the local privy.

DeathByCactus
10-11-2008, 22:38
I will see this country into civil war before I give up the second amendment. I will shoot anyone who comes and tries to take my firearms. The supreme court ruled that the second amendment states that we as citizens have the right to carry and have firearms.

This country was founded through wars, it will die through wars. I won't vote for anyone who is a threat to the second amendment and I don't care about the crime rate. People are people and will find a way to kill others regardless of the tools available, its human nature.

I am not a sheep and I refuse to be defenseless or of average to miniscule threat to those who would do harm to me and my family.

BTW none of those quotes are open minded you shit head. They are all anti-gun quotes. Fuck off.

hostileEffect
10-11-2008, 22:51
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/7567/guncontrolvn9gm3ot0.jpg

From what I hear, the people being held ended up dead a few moments later. Just what I hear, not saying that true or not. :P

heroshade
10-11-2008, 22:52
I'm sure this has been said but *clears throat*


THIS HAS BEEN ASKED BEFORE. ALOT.


I'm against gun control though.

The Cougar
10-11-2008, 23:01
“Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe.”


- Diane Feinstein , 1993.


Hahahah! That's the dumbest shit I've ever read.

BladeSLicer
10-11-2008, 23:07
“Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe.”


- Diane Feinstein , 1993.


Hahahah! That's the dumbest shit I've ever read.

I know. There's no fundamental right to feeling safe; you've got to bring about your own safety in an unsafe world! The only "fundamental right" people have imo is the right to defend themselves.

The Cougar
10-11-2008, 23:20
I know. There's no fundamental right to feeling safe; you've got to bring about your own safety in an unsafe world! The only "fundamental right" people have imo is the right to defend themselves.
She's saying that taking away the law abiding citizens' way of defending themselves against assault is addressing a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe. It doesn't get more stupid than that.

Temet nosce
10-11-2008, 23:22
I don't trust my government enough to take my guns.
They can't provide me with enough protection to willingly give up my right to have guns and protect my family(or soon to be one)
Besides take guns out of good peoples hands than bad people will still have them

Aye, unfortunately it's a popular way to get elected by supporting taking them away. Since a few fucking moron rednecks and neocons have made gun owners look like radicals.

Also, why did this get posted again? I swear we have more threads on gun control than any other issue. Oh and where the fuck is Matriel? I didn't notice him when I glanced at the replies.

Nefastus
10-11-2008, 23:37
This thread lacks Matriel and Fro.

tallefred
10-11-2008, 23:41
Fucking kill; everyone@@@@@@@@@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!n


FDuck i'm too drunk for this shit. Use the fucking search button motherfucker,

Robertek
10-12-2008, 00:11
Fuck gun control & Liberal pussies.

Damwa
10-12-2008, 00:15
Fuck gun control & Liberal pussies.

Well, I suppose that fucking liberal pussy can be as pleasurable as fucking republican ditto.

Warhawkz
10-12-2008, 00:16
If guns arent ingame, they should be in RL, DUH!

Robertek
10-12-2008, 00:16
Well, I suppose that fucking liberal pussy can be as pleasurable as fucking republican ditto.

Fuck Republicans too, it's all pink inside.

lastpatagonian
10-12-2008, 00:22
the majority of crimes commited with guns are illegal guns. its far better for the criminal to use one not traceable to them. we should never let the government change the bill of rights. or let them reinterpret the bill to allow them to loophole our rights away like they did with income tax.

Dragonfly
10-12-2008, 00:27
Gun control should be limited to the trigger finger.

Quick make NIA (Neural Input Actuator) gun control illegal.

Eclipso
10-12-2008, 00:30
here are some "open minded" quotes on gun control

Category: Gun Control

Firearms = rise in violence

“Given the fact that I’ve seen estimates that there are in excess of 200 million firearms already on the street, have we essentially said it’s okay to have the level of violence that we have in this country?”


- Pierre Thomas , April 20, 2007.





Rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment are outdated

“Let’s get back to the fundamentals: Life is more important than outdated ‘Second Amendment rights’ or special interest groups.”


- John Kelly IV




She doesn’t like guns

“I know this was a congressional law that was passed [allowing guns], but I don’t want to rubber stamp it. I guess just call me a crazy liberal or something, but I think there are enough guns out there…I can appreciate my fellow council members trying to ease my mind on this, but if Superman was carrying a gun I wouldn’t be OK with it.”


- Nancy Howard




All guns should be banned.

“The most effective means of fighting crime in the United States is to outlaw the possession of any type of firearm by the civilian populace.”


- Janet Reno , 1991.




The U.S. should ban guns.

“Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe.”


- Diane Feinstein , 1993.




The Second Amendment is expendable.

“We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans to legitimately own handguns and rifles. . .”


- Bill Clinton , Presumably during 1993.




Rebuking the Second Amendment.

“I don’t think there is a Second Amendment right to own a gun.”


- James Carville




Disarming America.

“Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.”


- Sara Brady , January 1994.

TD;DR gun control is a ' not to talk about subject on forumfall...... there are no winners!


-1 forumfall credits to you sir.

lastpatagonian
10-12-2008, 00:30
perhaps if they banned morons and mentally disturbed people alot of the problems with guns would go away

Tharkon Fargor
10-12-2008, 00:30
Fucking kill; everyone@@@@@@@@@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!n


FDuck i'm too drunk for this shit. Use the fucking search button motherfucker,


Fucking kill; everyone@@@@@@@@@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!n


FDuck i'm too drunk for this shit. Use the fucking search button motherfucker,


Fucking kill; everyone@@@@@@@@@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!n


FDuck i'm too drunk for this shit. Use the fucking search button motherfucker,


Fucking kill; everyone@@@@@@@@@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!n


FDuck i'm too drunk for this shit. Use the fucking search button motherfucker,

Fucking kill; everyone@@@@@@@@@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!n


FDuck i'm too drunk for this shit. Use the fucking search button motherfucker,


Fucking kill; everyone@@@@@@@@@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!n


FDuck i'm too drunk for this shit. Use the fucking search button motherfucker,


Fucking kill; everyone@@@@@@@@@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!n


FDuck i'm too drunk for this shit. Use the fucking search button motherfucker,


Fucking kill; everyone@@@@@@@@@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!n


FDuck i'm too drunk for this shit. Use the fucking search button motherfucker,


.

Osirus
10-12-2008, 00:30
Gun Control = using both of your hands to secure your weapon

an america without the 2nd ammendment, would be a more dangerous america.

that NWO shit that's floating around on the interweb, would be a hell of a lot easier to achieve without the 2nd.

fRdz
10-12-2008, 00:30
I have no pants on and it is really cold in here

Eclipso
10-12-2008, 00:32
Fucking kill; everyone@@@@@@@@@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!n


FDuck i'm too drunk for this shit. Use the fucking search button motherfucker,

seee what he said

Marilyn
10-12-2008, 00:42
Banning guns wont just make violant crime magically disappear but at least it'll get harder for your crazy neighbor to kill you when you take a shortcut through his backyard. Theres a big difference in shooting someone and stabbing someone. And knives dont go off by accident either.

edit: yeah, and I'm for goverment supervised birthcontrol: No reproducing for Fucktards!

Death's Chill
10-12-2008, 01:01
but if Superman was carrying a gun I wouldn’t be OK with it.

What the flaming ball of fuck is this?

Arkh
10-12-2008, 01:09
Fuck Republicans too, it's all pink inside.
Hawwww, pink...


perhaps if they banned morons and mentally disturbed people alot of the problems with guns would go away
Well, all problems would go away in fact. But it is not the case, so guns are necessary.


Banning guns wont just make violant crime magically disappear but at least it'll get harder for your crazy neighbor to kill you when you take a shortcut through his backyard. Theres a big difference in shooting someone and stabbing someone. And knives dont go off by accident either.

Why would he fire on you if he knows that you can fire back ?
What is "magical" with rights, is when everyone get to have them. No more fucked minority.

AngusFinch
10-12-2008, 01:25
Banning guns wont just make violant crime magically disappear but at least it'll get harder for your crazy neighbor to kill you when you take a shortcut through his backyard. Theres a big difference in shooting someone and stabbing someone. And knives dont go off by accident either.


You've never heard of someone getting injured on their own knife? A friend of mine almost died from that. It would be nice to think that the random angry people you meet aren't armed, but you can never know how crazy a person is. Some people will manage to find and buy guns no matter what laws are in place, and no matter what measures are taken to enforce those laws. Getting them is probably more about determination than anything.

(General)
I think a society in which most everyone is armed would be pretty safe. You'd have to be an idiot to pull a gun in a place where everyone and their mother is carrying one. People who handle guns and know what their capabilities are aren't as afraid of them. If you're worried about suicidal people who just don't care, aren't you worried that they'll just use a car to kill you instead? Plenty of motorists have swerved into oncoming traffic to end their life or to kill random people.

Bratus
10-12-2008, 01:50
there's more crime in Britan than in the US and they dont have guns

Jyibe
10-12-2008, 01:53
“The most effective means of fighting crime in the United States is to outlaw the possession of any type of firearm by the civilian populace.”


- Janet Reno , 1991.


Look how well this worked for Mexico. There's no violence there!

biggunsar
10-12-2008, 01:59
you break into my home, i shoot you dead.

You tresspass, I warn you verbally, then shoot you.

All people should be allowed to carry firearms, concealed or otherwise. Unless you are a criminal, convicted of a serious crime.

Arkh
10-12-2008, 12:25
All people should be allowed to carry firearms, concealed or otherwise. Unless you are a criminal, convicted of a serious crime.
I disagree with this statement. If you're convicted for a serious crime, you should rot in jail.
But when out of prison, you have paid your debt and must be able to protect yourself and your family.

Spart
10-12-2008, 13:57
I disagree with this statement. If you're convicted for a serious crime, you should rot in jail.
But when out of prison, you have paid your debt and must be able to protect yourself and your family.

No way. You have proven that you are more likely than everyone else to do harm in some way, prison isn't likely to have fixed that.

Killuminati
10-12-2008, 15:17
Forumfall feels this has been discussed 1238174 times already, and we don't need Matriel to hit 30k posts.

this

Lofwyrr
10-12-2008, 15:51
there's more crime in Britan than in the US and they dont have guns

What about homocide?

Carl Ragadamn
10-12-2008, 15:59
What about homocide?

The US still has more per capita but is trending down while the UK is trending sharply up. It really is not a fair comparison though because the US has far more places of high population density, and worldwide stats show that dense populations result in more murders.

biggunsar
10-12-2008, 16:25
I disagree with this statement. If you're convicted for a serious crime, you should rot in jail.
But when out of prison, you have paid your debt and must be able to protect yourself and your family.

Do you work for the justice sytem? Or law enforcement? No?

I do, and I'll tell you that MOST criminals will reoffend. PERIOD.

And the more serious the crime, the longer they stay in jail, the more likely the chance they will reoffend.

Because (my theory) jail is easy inside once you get used to it. Everyone knows their place and no stress other than living like a caged animal. But once you know the rules then it's all good.

When they get outside, they have probation officers, drug councilors, the system now telling you, you can't have a good job because of your record.

So its' way easier to stray back into crime and go back into a place that is far easier than the outside world.

FUCK THAT, once your a serious criminal, you should never be able to own a firearm period.

The problem with your dream senario. I TOTALLY AGREE. I think once you go to jail for your crime, you should have no record that is visible except to judges. That way they determine your sentence. This way you have every chance of making it in the world, job wise, life wise. Police would treat you like everyone else.

But here is the catch to your dream senario. What if they were child molesters or rapists. Should they be allowed to own hand guns? Hey they did the crime, finished thier time. They should be good to go right?

If you make the rule for one, you have to make the rule for all. And this is why, your senario will never work.

Arkh
10-12-2008, 17:01
You, are the one making rules with exception.
I'm for everyone out of jail having the right to bear arms. No exception.
If criminals go out too early, it's because they didn't get enough time.

But, speaking about scenarii, as all emotionnals love to use some : what about a 17 old fuckin his 16 year old girlfriend being sentenced for statutory rape ? Should he be forbidden to defend himself ?
What about people killing other because they got asleep in their car while driving ?
What about a mother who abort in a country where it's not allowed ? For the law, she killed a human being, or paid someone to kill it no ? Should she be forbidden to defend herself next time some punks try to gang rape her ?

Amaryl
10-12-2008, 17:04
an old granny with a cane vs a criminal with a baseball bat/knife?

or an old granny with a gun vs a criminal with a gun?

when does the old granny stand more chance of getting out of it?

biggunsar
10-12-2008, 17:08
an old granny with a cane vs a criminal with a baseball bat/knife?

or an old granny with a gun vs a criminal with a gun?

when does the old granny stand more chance of getting out of it?

When the criminal is not allowed to own a gun. Then granny stands a full chance with her 9.

biggunsar
10-12-2008, 17:09
You, are the one making rules with exception.
I'm for everyone out of jail having the right to bear arms. No exception.
If criminals go out too early, it's because they didn't get enough time.

But, speaking about scenarii, as all emotionnals love to use some : what about a 17 old fuckin his 16 year old girlfriend being sentenced for statutory rape ? Should he be forbidden to defend himself ?
What about people killing other because they got asleep in their car while driving ?
What about a mother who abort in a country where it's not allowed ? For the law, she killed a human being, or paid someone to kill it no ? Should she be forbidden to defend herself next time some punks try to gang rape her ?

I only enforce teh law, someone needs to change it.

DeathByCactus
10-12-2008, 17:17
You, are the one making rules with exception.
I'm for everyone out of jail having the right to bear arms. No exception.
If criminals go out too early, it's because they didn't get enough time.

But, speaking about scenarii, as all emotionnals love to use some : what about a 17 old fuckin his 16 year old girlfriend being sentenced for statutory rape ? Should he be forbidden to defend himself ?
What about people killing other because they got asleep in their car while driving ?
What about a mother who abort in a country where it's not allowed ? For the law, she killed a human being, or paid someone to kill it no ? Should she be forbidden to defend herself next time some punks try to gang rape her ?

That is stupid. Don't break serious laws and you get to keep your gun. Prove yourself to be a worthless criminal who preys on innocent people, you don't deserve the right to defend yourself anymore because you are most likely going to use that gun to offend.

Don't drive drunk or when you are extremely sleepy, don't fuck underage kids, don't abort your fucking kid in a state that doesn't allow it. Don't break the god damned law or GOD WILL TAKE AWAY YOUR RIGHTS!!! RAWR!

Arkh
10-12-2008, 17:23
And what is a serious crime ?
Why does it differ from one country to another ?

Because citizens are not the ones making them.

Thoric
10-12-2008, 17:34
“Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.”


- Sara Brady , January 1994.

RED ALERT!!!

Engineer rush NOW!!!!!

Kin
10-12-2008, 17:41
Guns will stay for some good time yet to come...


People aren't stupid and pussified enough to the point of attempting something so retarded... However they are certainly heading that direction.

The "protect people from themselves" mentality makes me sick.

Forgivance
10-12-2008, 17:53
You want to take guns away from the people that are using them correctly? Fucking retards.

Guns are here, if you ban them, only the honest people will loose them. The criminals won't...if they cannot keep stealing them from sources now, they'll just buy them from douche's like Hugo Chevez and such.

ejnomad07
10-12-2008, 18:07
You want to take guns away from the people that are using them correctly? Fucking retards.

Guns are here, if you ban them, only the honest people will loose them. The criminals won't...if they cannot keep stealing them from sources now, they'll just buy them from douche's like Hugo Chevez and such.

This. Criminals don't get their guns the legal way.

Youknowho
10-12-2008, 18:08
Go ahead and ban guns, I'll just meet my up with my man Miguel and get one anyway... Miguel has bombin' coke too.

Dazarthas
10-12-2008, 18:17
You want to take guns away from the people that are using them correctly? Fucking retards.

Guns are here, if you ban them, only the honest people will loose them. The criminals won't...if they cannot keep stealing them from sources now, they'll just buy them from douche's like Hugo Chevez and such.

This. Criminals don't get their guns the legal way.

This. Criminals LOVE gun control, that's why gun-related murders are so high in Chicago. In Illinois, it's nearly illegal to protect yourself.

Damwa
10-12-2008, 19:26
Do you work for the justice sytem? Or law enforcement? No?

I do, and I'll tell you that MOST criminals will reoffend. PERIOD.

[..]


I only enforce teh law, someone needs to change it.

You are an IT manager in law enforcement/the justice system on the Cayman islands?

Kusghuul
10-12-2008, 19:41
Fourm Fall? What is that?

Haeso
10-12-2008, 20:24
I will see this country into civil war before I give up the second amendment. I will shoot anyone who comes and tries to take my firearms. The supreme court ruled that the second amendment states that we as citizens have the right to carry and have firearms.

This country was founded through wars, it will die through wars. I won't vote for anyone who is a threat to the second amendment and I don't care about the crime rate. People are people and will find a way to kill others regardless of the tools available, its human nature.

I am not a sheep and I refuse to be defenseless or of average to miniscule threat to those who would do harm to me and my family.

BTW none of those quotes are open minded you shit head. They are all anti-gun quotes. Fuck off.

Japan's anti-gun laws seem more effective than giving every idiot a gun.

How often do you hear about someone being killed with a registered gun, now how often do you hear about someone NOT dying because they had a registered gun. Your 'right' to carry a gun is killing more people than it's saving. But you can be ignorant if you wish, that's your choice.

side note to others: Organized crime isn't going to be stopped by a few idiots who happen to have guns, but you can keep believing you're making some sort of difference by retaining that right.

Damwa
10-12-2008, 20:33
Well, I think that one of the specific and conditional reasons that make gun-control either successful or not, has to do with the logistics of transportation and access. Japan probably doesn't have a large national production of firearms and given its that it is an island nation with otherwise strict control of import, immigration and such; it is probably both difficult and expensive to acquire illegal firearms. This is obviously not the case in the US.

Wreatch
10-12-2008, 20:36
I believe in the second amendment, and for good reason, there needs to be a revolution soon.

We are to protect ourselves not only from enemies foreign, but domestic as well.

Stax
10-12-2008, 20:37
Yah! Lets give up our right to protect ourselves. The government is soo awesome, they do a better job at protecting Americans.

Rap does not occur.

Murder doesn't occur.

Robbery's do not occur.

People naturally love and hold hands all day all accross the world. So, lets give up our right to own AND BARE arms.


:lmao:

All fucking morons that believe that deserve to drown in their own piss. That is the biggest bullshit I've ever heard. The entire concept of taking guns from people, is so the government can control the people better.

That is the single, AND ONLY purpose of taking fire-arms away from innocent people. Take guns from the people that committ crimes.... NOT from the innocent people. And for ANYONE dumb enough to think taking guns away completely solves the problems....let them rot under their retarded ideas alone.


Example of someone in need of a breathing piss:


Japan's anti-gun laws seem more effective than giving every idiot a gun.

How often do you hear about someone being killed with a registered gun, now how often do you hear about someone NOT dying because they had a registered gun. Your 'right' to carry a gun is killing more people than it's saving. But you can be ignorant if you wish, that's your choice.

side note to others: Organized crime isn't going to be stopped by a few idiots who happen to have guns, but you can keep believing you're making some sort of difference by retaining that right.


Not only does this moron look retarded, but he also wants a system where people are made further helpless. Go fuck yourself Fucktard. And I hope the government gets to you in time to save your life when you are being raped by a giant man-woman, who was looking for a weak-ass-bitch such as yourself, to rape.

Obviously, people do not like facts. And people are not reading up on any information before they spue bullshit. States that allow their citizens to carry fire-arms, have ALWAYS (thats ALWAYS) had a decrease in crime levels. That means crime goes down, not up. Ass fuck yourself you moron for not reading into some facts.

Damwa
10-12-2008, 21:05
Yah! Lets give up our right to protect ourselves. The government is soo awesome, they do a better job at protecting Americans.

Rap does not occur.



Well, I have often feared that my girlfriend might get rapped by some hip-hop crew...

It might be noted though, that mores and ethos actually mean something, irrespective of law. Japan is one of the few countries in the world where you can actually have vending machine with cigarettes, soft-drinks and the likes in a public street overnight and *nothing* gets stolen, broken into or vandalized.

Bawlin
10-12-2008, 21:20
This calls for a resurrection of the use search smilie, because you fucking fail.

Arkh
10-12-2008, 21:43
Japan's anti-gun laws seem more effective than giving every idiot a gun.

How often do you hear about someone being killed with a registered gun, now how often do you hear about someone NOT dying because they had a registered gun. Your 'right' to carry a gun is killing more people than it's saving. But you can be ignorant if you wish, that's your choice.

side note to others: Organized crime isn't going to be stopped by a few idiots who happen to have guns, but you can keep believing you're making some sort of difference by retaining that right.
IIRC, there was a little massacre happening some month earlier in Japan. The guy used a vehicule then a knife... maybe the presence of someone with a gun would have saved lives.

Ziegler
10-13-2008, 17:47
Japan's anti-gun laws seem more effective than giving every idiot a gun.

How often do you hear about someone being killed with a registered gun, now how often do you hear about someone NOT dying because they had a registered gun. Your 'right' to carry a gun is killing more people than it's saving. But you can be ignorant if you wish, that's your choice.

side note to others: Organized crime isn't going to be stopped by a few idiots who happen to have guns, but you can keep believing you're making some sort of difference by retaining that right.

Not every idiot should own a gun. You're probably a good example of one who shouldnt.

hear about someone being kill with a registered gun all the time, usually someone protecting themselves and their family, usually it's the same story for your other question. Man with a legally registered gun kills poor little innocent criminal.

You should look into Washington D.C. ..strictest gun laws in the country(so strict it was struck down by the supreme court)..and highest murder rate.

You should also look into the Okalohoma church shooting...shooter was stopped by a female security guard...with a gun. Most security guards dont get to carry weapons.


I believe in the second amendment, and for good reason, there needs to be a revolution soon.

We are to protect ourselves not only from enemies foreign, but domestic as well.

Let me know when the meetings start.

Starčevo
10-13-2008, 17:52
You used a quote by Janet Reno, have you never heard of Waco??? Guns are necessary to protect against an overstepping government, and even then they're not enough because people are too cowardly to use them.

Jezrith
10-13-2008, 17:56
Shooting Nazi fucktards is the best reason to own a gun ever.

Starčevo
10-13-2008, 18:11
Shooting Nazi fucktards is the best reason to own a gun ever.

lol

Phaethor
10-13-2008, 18:24
How the hell did this get this far without Matriel?

Come to think of it... When is the last time someone saw a post by Matriel?

I think it's been at least since Friday Afternoon.

Some possibilities:

He's out killing someone or something right now.
He's been killed by someone or something. Ok that is a stretch.
He wounded from going out to kill someone or something and hasn't crawled back.
He got into DFO Beta and is too busy to come hang with us mere mortals.

Anyhow... My opinion is that everyone (as long as they haven't been convicted of certain crimes) should be "Legally" allowed to own a gun. Within reason. No Canons, Tanks, FA Machine Guns, Bazookas, etc.

That doesn't stop a person from "Illegally" owning a gun. And no regulation I know of can stop that anyhow. But it should be treated with harsher consequences when discovered.

Just my 2cp.

Best,

Phae

Lictor
10-13-2008, 18:51
Shooting Nazi fucktards is the best reason to own a gun ever.

I second that! :sly:

Starčevo
10-13-2008, 19:02
I second that! :sly:

The Nazis are coming to get you!

Tardo.

Ziegler
10-13-2008, 19:09
You used a quote by Janet Reno, have you never heard of Waco??? Guns are necessary to protect against an overstepping government, and even then they're not enough because people are too cowardly to use them.

Waco....how about Ruby Ridge......that was an even greater injustice...the government set him up just to be able to take him down. Janet Reno...Hitler's male alter ego.

Starčevo
10-13-2008, 19:11
Waco....how about Ruby Ridge......that was an even greater injustice...the government set him up just to be able to take him down. Janet Reno...Hitler's male alter ego.

Quite an inapt comparison when you use the Ruby Ridge example, don't you think?

Ziegler
10-13-2008, 19:29
Quite an inapt comparison when you use the Ruby Ridge example, don't you think?

I'm trying not to think....call it mental preparation for if Obama wins.

Lictor
10-13-2008, 19:45
The Nazis are coming to get you!

Tardo.

Nazis will get their asses kicked any day, so I'm not overly bothered with them. Anyway, why don't you finish each sentence with brother, brother?

Tdog
10-13-2008, 19:50
How the hell did this get this far without Matriel?

Come to think of it... When is the last time someone saw a post by Matriel?

I think it's been at least since Friday Afternoon.

Some possibilities:

He's out killing someone or something right now.
He's been killed by someone or something. Ok that is a stretch.
He wounded from going out to kill someone or something and hasn't crawled back.
He got into DFO Beta and is too busy to come hang with us mere mortals.

Anyhow... My opinion is that everyone (as long as they haven't been convicted of certain crimes) should be "Legally" allowed to own a gun. Within reason. No Canons, Tanks, FA Machine Guns, Bazookas, etc.

That doesn't stop a person from "Illegally" owning a gun. And no regulation I know of can stop that anyhow. But it should be treated with harsher consequences when discovered.

Just my 2cp.

Best,

Phae


Its bow Season, he is out hunting if I had to guess.

Fizbanui
10-13-2008, 20:38
Haha, now I know that the dumbest person I ve met yet, lives in Texas.....

Phaethor
10-13-2008, 21:28
Its bow Season, he is out hunting if I had to guess.

Well... Out killing someone or something was my first guess. :D

Best,

Phae

Saturday Saint
10-13-2008, 21:41
IMO, there should be no gun control. Charlie Manson should be able to own a missile launcher if he wants.

Damwa
10-13-2008, 21:42
IMO, there should be no gun control. Charlie Manson should be able to own a missile launcher if he wants.

That wouldn't be under the heading of *gun* control, though..

Teutates
10-13-2008, 21:47
Well I don't really want people with a criminal record to purchase guns legally. And mentally fucked up people.... which would prolly be 50% of the population.

Saturday Saint
10-13-2008, 21:48
That wouldn't be under the heading of *gun* control, though..

Let's call it "Arms control" then. Besides, a missile launcher is considered a gun, even if it technically may not be one.

Walmart should also sell Weapons-grade Plutonium.

Damwa
10-13-2008, 21:54
Let's call it "Arms control" then. Besides, a missile launcher is considered a gun, even if it technically may not be one.

Walmart should also sell Weapons-grade Plutonium.

Man, those Walmart employees would be making a killing on hazard pay.


PS: I would have thought that missiles and missile launchers would be under the heading of "explosives" in a regulatory/legal framework?

alhazred
10-13-2008, 23:14
That wouldn't be under the heading of *gun* control, though..

Missles are regulated under "destructive devices"

projectiles over .60 inches (60 caliber)

that is why i cant own a bolt action 20mm rifle from berret

lets face it a 2500m range for destroying vehicles is sexy and i need it to defend my 1st amendment right , also it is semi automatic and the rounds explode hehe yay

Saturday Saint
10-13-2008, 23:17
Missles are regulated under "destructive devices"

projectiles over .60 inches (60 caliber)

that is why i cant own a bolt action 20mm rifle from berret

lets face it a 2500m range for destroying vehicles is sexy and i need it to defend my 1st amendment right , also it is semi automatic and the rounds explode hehe yay

You need a gun to defend your 1st amendment right? Why don't you just go and say "Fuck you" to passers by?

Ferox
10-13-2008, 23:36
gun control is a steady hand.

Saturday Saint
10-13-2008, 23:37
gun control is a steady hand.

I prefer butterfingers. That way, somebody might shoot themselves in the foot, and then I'd have some entertainment for the day.

Ferox
10-13-2008, 23:43
"Anyone who tries to take my gun is going to get shot." - Me



your a fucking pussy...


so you'd rather suicide yourself for your guns, rather then survive to fight the government for the freedom of ALL of your fellow countrymen?


guns can always be found, soldiers to fight the government cannot.


I'm on a lot of gun forums and every time I see that I know our resistance against the government in the future is doomed to fail.

not only that, I also know for a lot of people its a lot of bragging bs and they would not shoot at cops coming to get their guns.

andy9306
10-14-2008, 00:01
Guns are not ideal for protecting one's home. The way I look at it is either a home invader has a gun, in which case you are probably screwed either way because they have the element of surprise, or they don't have a gun in which case a bludgeoning implement is likely just as effective.

But that's just my opinion.

I have no problem with guns. What I do have a problem with is the people who insist that they need guns. I just don't trust guns in their hands.

Again, just my opinion.

Oh, and I don't agree with pistols being kept in one's home. Store them at whatever range you go to to use them. If they are readily accessible in the case of home invasion, they are a threat to your own family if the invader gets to them first. If they are not readily accessible, they are no help in the case of home invasion. Might as well not have them in your home at all.

The argument of guns being kept to combat the oppressive government falls flat on its face in my opinion. If the government needed overthrowing, you could get your hands on guns to do it with. Not that shooting a few dozen law enforcement officials would likely accomplish anything.

Damwa
10-14-2008, 00:22
"Anyone who tries to take my gun is going to get shot." - Me

What an original quote. I am sure that a lot of people are kicking themselves for not having thought of this line (or something similar) before...

Jester814
10-14-2008, 01:05
I own and carry guns daily as much to defend my life in a bad situation as I own them to protect my rights from the fucking scumbags in the OP.

Jester814
10-14-2008, 01:25
Guns are not ideal for protecting one's home. The way I look at it is either a home invader has a gun, in which case you are probably screwed either way because they have the element of surprise, or they don't have a gun in which case a bludgeoning implement is likely just as effective.

But that's just my opinion.

I have no problem with guns. What I do have a problem with is the people who insist that they need guns. I just don't trust guns in their hands.

Again, just my opinion.

Oh, and I don't agree with pistols being kept in one's home. Store them at whatever range you go to to use them. If they are readily accessible in the case of home invasion, they are a threat to your own family if the invader gets to them first. If they are not readily accessible, they are no help in the case of home invasion. Might as well not have them in your home at all.

The argument of guns being kept to combat the oppressive government falls flat on its face in my opinion. If the government needed overthrowing, you could get your hands on guns to do it with. Not that shooting a few dozen law enforcement officials would likely accomplish anything.

Your post is so full of uneducated, speculative bullshit I don't know where to begin.

Let me begin with giving you a little background on the firearms education I actually have. I have been through police academy, but once I completed it I decided to go active duty US Army instead, so I have 3 years of active duty military service/training. While I was in the Army, I was trained and certified as an advanced marksmanship instructor. And on top of all that, I'm a criminal justice major very near graduation.

Someone in your house is at a huge disadvantage. They have no idea of the layout, they have no idea where you or your guns or your valuables are. You have the advantage of knowing where every little thing in your house is, and if you're smart you've practiced either: "clearing" your own house to ensure that you are safe, or closing/locking your door, pointing your gun at it, and calling 911, being prepared to shoot anything that comes through the door.

"or they don't have a gun in which case a bludgeoning implement is likely just as effective" You ever seen what a person armed with a knife or even a baseball bat can do to another human being? If someone is in my home, or even out on the street, and comes at me with a bat or a knife, you can goddamned rest assured that I will shoot them until they are no longer a threat. I have a decent amount of martial arts training, and it has taught me one thing above all else. Someone trying to hurt/maim/kill you can be VERY effective at it without even knowing what they're doing.

Next you say "If they are readily accessible in the case of home invasion, they are a threat to your own family if the invader gets to them first.". Seriously do you even have a brain? A threat to your own family? Do you mean kids? Or your wife? Or your own self even? What if you're single and live by yourself? It is a gun owners responsibility to ensure that everyone that lives in his/her house is well versed on safety issues and use of firearms, and if kids live in the house, to keep the guns locked up. But there are quick access safes to prevent kids from getting to guns but allow quick, easy access to them in case of an emergency. So once again the fallacy of your argument shines through.

Next, your "invader gets to them first" comment is absolutely laughable and one of the tag lines anti-gun people have been using for years. Are you honestly telling me that some goddamned spec-ops trained fucking NINJA is going to break into my house -WITHOUT HIS OWN WEAPON-, sneak INTO my room, and get my gun off my nightstand without waking me up? Or is the more likely scenario that some cracked out meth head is going to break a window or kick in a door, knock shit over while trying to steal my things, and make an enormous ruckus while rampaging through my house, THEN open my door.... And get shot because I've been awake since he FIRST entered my house. ANYONE with half a brain would wait till they are sure noone is home before breaking into a house. Oh and have you ever tried to disarm someone with a gun? GOOD LUCK BUD.

"The argument of guns being kept to combat the oppressive government falls flat on its face in my opinion." Well we're all entitled to our opinions now aren't we? You've done more than show the express intelligence of your knowledge on this subject. If you don't think that millions upon millions of Americans who own guns are one of the very few forces keeping this country from becoming a complete socialist shithole more than it already is, you need to do some serious re-thinking of your opinions. You have read the quote from Sarah Brady in the OP.

Dhig
10-14-2008, 01:45
Your post is so full of uneducated, speculative bullshit I don't know where to begin.

Let me begin with giving you a little background on the firearms education I actually have. I have been through police academy, but once I completed it I decided to go active duty US Army instead, so I have 3 years of active duty military service/training. While I was in the Army, I was trained and certified as an advanced marksmanship instructor. And on top of all that, I'm a criminal justice major very near graduation.

Someone in your house is at a huge disadvantage. They have no idea of the layout, they have no idea where you or your guns or your valuables are. You have the advantage of knowing where every little thing in your house is, and if you're smart you've practiced either: "clearing" your own house to ensure that you are safe, or closing/locking your door, pointing your gun at it, and calling 911, being prepared to shoot anything that comes through the door.

"or they don't have a gun in which case a bludgeoning implement is likely just as effective" You ever seen what a person armed with a knife or even a baseball bat can do to another human being? If someone is in my home, or even out on the street, and comes at me with a bat or a knife, you can goddamned rest assured that I will shoot them until they are no longer a threat. I have a decent amount of martial arts training, and it has taught me one thing above all else. Someone trying to hurt/maim/kill you can be VERY effective at it without even knowing what they're doing.

Next you say "If they are readily accessible in the case of home invasion, they are a threat to your own family if the invader gets to them first.". Seriously do you even have a brain? A threat to your own family? Do you mean kids? Or your wife? Or your own self even? What if you're single and live by yourself? It is a gun owners responsibility to ensure that everyone that lives in his/her house is well versed on safety issues and use of firearms, and if kids live in the house, to keep the guns locked up. But there are quick access safes to prevent kids from getting to guns but allow quick, easy access to them in case of an emergency. So once again the fallacy of your argument shines through.

Next, your "invader gets to them first" comment is absolutely laughable and one of the tag lines anti-gun people have been using for years. Are you honestly telling me that some goddamned spec-ops trained fucking NINJA is going to break into my house -WITHOUT HIS OWN WEAPON-, sneak INTO my room, and get my gun off my nightstand without waking me up? Or is the more likely scenario that some cracked out meth head is going to break a window or kick in a door, knock shit over while trying to steal my things, and make an enormous ruckus while rampaging through my house, THEN open my door.... And get shot because I've been awake since he FIRST entered my house. ANYONE with half a brain would wait till they are sure noone is home before breaking into a house. Oh and have you ever tried to disarm someone with a gun? GOOD LUCK BUD.

"The argument of guns being kept to combat the oppressive government falls flat on its face in my opinion." Well we're all entitled to our opinions now aren't we? You've done more than show the express intelligence of your knowledge on this subject. If you don't think that millions upon millions of Americans who own guns are one of the very few forces keeping this country from becoming a complete socialist shithole more than it already is, you need to do some serious re-thinking of your opinions. You have read the quote from Sarah Brady in the OP.

I actually read it all :eek:
The socialist shitholes in Europe are fine and have a higher standard overall regarding everything.
And it is a fact that acting like Rambo will more likely get you killed then let them take your stuff.
Items can be replaced, your life can not.

The fact that so many Americans own guns doesnt do shit except making it easier for accident to happen. As I see it the only reason people use guns is because they are afraid.
Afraid of socialism, get a gun.
Afraid of terrorists, get a gun.
Afraid of Russia, get a gun.
Afraid of criminals that might rob you, get a gun.

Getting a gun wont actually help you, it will only make you maintain your fear. Most of you wont even use the gun if something happens.

andy9306
10-14-2008, 01:53
... Next, your "invader gets to them first" comment is absolutely laughable and one of the tag lines anti-gun people have been using for years. Are you honestly telling me that some goddamned spec-ops trained fucking NINJA is going to break into my house -WITHOUT HIS OWN WEAPON-, sneak INTO my room, and get my gun off my nightstand without waking me up? Or is the more likely scenario that some cracked out meth head is going to break a window or kick in a door, knock shit over while trying to steal my things, and make an enormous ruckus while rampaging through my house, THEN open my door.... And get shot because I've been awake since he FIRST entered my house. ANYONE with half a brain would wait till they are sure noone is home before breaking into a house. Oh and have you ever tried to disarm someone with a gun? GOOD LUCK BUD....

First of all I would like to applaud you for the responsible way in which you have educated yourself and obviously handled your firearms. This is the intelligent way to do it. You are the shining example of firearm safety.

Most people are idiots.

Someone as well trained as you should know that the vast majority of people are irresponsible. I don't think that anyone should have the right to own firearms. It just isn't a right-worthy issue to me. Though I am certainly not suggesting a complete ban on them.

Anyway, from the section that I bolded, I assume that you do live alone. Otherwise your firearm would be in a "quick access safe". If you did not live alone, as I assume that you do, you would store your firearm responsibly.

I am not confident that the majority of people are as competent as you are. My general knowledge of people leads me to believe that the average person has just enough knowledge to prevent injuring themselves with their firearm. Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am.

Spart
10-14-2008, 02:00
I actually read it all :eek:
The socialist shitholes in Europe are fine and have a higher standard overall regarding everything.
And it is a fact that acting like Rambo will more likely get you killed then let them take your stuff.
Items can be replaced, your life can not.

The fact that so many Americans own guns doesnt do shit except making it easier for accident to happen. As I see it the only reason people use guns is because they are afraid.
Afraid of socialism, get a gun.
Afraid of terrorists, get a gun.
Afraid of Russia, get a gun.
Afraid of criminals that might rob you, get a gun.

Getting a gun wont actually help you, it will only make you maintain your fear. Most of you wont even use the gun if something happens.

And he see's it differently. Seriously, try to get some proof rather than just throwing around your opinion like it's the holy gospel. You have made your point that you think people shouldn't have guns. Now if you would like to continue this argument you can either get some evidence or you can shut up and hope someone else does it, because without evidence you are doing nothing for your belief.

That goes for all of you. Why do you continue to make these stupid arguments using only your own opinion? You certainly don't respect or believe the other persons opinion, why the fuck would that be different for your own?

alfaroverall
10-14-2008, 02:27
I've said this before, this time I'll post a slightly shorter version:
Ideally no one would have weapons. This is not possible. Hence the next best thing is then that no one would have firearms. This is also not possible. Hence the next best thing is that the civilian population would not have firearms. This is not only not possible, but attempting to do it not only does not decrease violent crime, but rather increases it, based on statistics found in the US and the UK (fbi.gov is a good place to find them, though I'm not going to bother just yet). Therefore, from a pragmatic standpoint, gun control is bad, and should not be in the governmental system.

A similar premise can be stated for abortion, except that abortion does likely have a statistical decrease with a ban, but the abortions themselves become much more dangerous, because they are relegated to back alleys.

With drugs and prostitution, sadly, the discussion becomes more complicated...just for kicks, my stance is that cocaine and opiates need to be banned (with non-heroin opiates being legal controlled substances) because of the tremendous destructive potential of crack/freebase and heroin (both to the user and to people around them), but that other drugs should be legal. I suppose it might be worthwhile to ban a handful of other ones that have significant potential to kill on the first dose but that are rarely used, such as ketamine.

Gloomrender
10-14-2008, 02:34
here are some "open minded" quotes on gun control

Category: Gun Control

Firearms = rise in violence

“Given the fact that I’ve seen estimates that there are in excess of 200 million firearms already on the street, have we essentially said it’s okay to have the level of violence that we have in this country?”


- Pierre Thomas , April 20, 2007.




Rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment are outdated

“Let’s get back to the fundamentals: Life is more important than outdated ‘Second Amendment rights’ or special interest groups.”


- John Kelly IV




She doesn’t like guns

“I know this was a congressional law that was passed [allowing guns], but I don’t want to rubber stamp it. I guess just call me a crazy liberal or something, but I think there are enough guns out there…I can appreciate my fellow council members trying to ease my mind on this, but if Superman was carrying a gun I wouldn’t be OK with it.”


- Nancy Howard




All guns should be banned.

“The most effective means of fighting crime in the United States is to outlaw the possession of any type of firearm by the civilian populace.”


- Janet Reno , 1991.




The U.S. should ban guns.

“Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe.”


- Diane Feinstein , 1993.




The Second Amendment is expendable.

“We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans to legitimately own handguns and rifles. . .”


- Bill Clinton , Presumably during 1993.




Rebuking the Second Amendment.

“I don’t think there is a Second Amendment right to own a gun.”


- James Carville




Disarming America.

“Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.”


- Sara Brady , January 1994.

If open minded is extreme right or left.

AngusFinch
10-14-2008, 02:41
No way. You have proven that you are more likely than everyone else to do harm in some way, prison isn't likely to have fixed that.

When have gun laws ever kept known criminals from getting firearms?

Dhig
10-14-2008, 02:56
And he see's it differently. Seriously, try to get some proof rather than just throwing around your opinion like it's the holy gospel. You have made your point that you think people shouldn't have guns. Now if you would like to continue this argument you can either get some evidence or you can shut up and hope someone else does it, because without evidence you are doing nothing for your belief.

That goes for all of you. Why do you continue to make these stupid arguments using only your own opinion? You certainly don't respect or believe the other persons opinion, why the fuck would that be different for your own?

http://banking.about.com/od/securityandsafety/a/bankrobbery.htm

Now this is facts about bank robbery. This way the people will survive with a much bigger chance then taking action. Could it be so simple that the same facts can be made about burglery and other criminal acts except rape.

Damwa
10-14-2008, 03:04
http://banking.about.com/od/securityandsafety/a/bankrobbery.htm

Now this is facts about bank robbery. This way the people will survive with a much bigger chance then taking action. Could it be so simple that the same facts can be made about burglery and other criminal acts except rape.

In all fairness I do not think that this is an entirely valid comparison (as you yourself (partially) allude to with your exception of rape); bank robbers are not the same breed of criminal as people who break into houses or do "stick ups" in the streets. They are more organized, more disciplined and more (instrumentally) rational than we can readily suppose other criminals to be, and hence they are both more dangerous (in a sense), but also more predictable.
At the very least; the grounds for the comparison are disputable without further empirical evidence.

LordTenacious
10-14-2008, 03:13
You know, after fifty or so threads on gun control that we've had in the last week or two you'd think that this person would know what this forum's opinion is.

I think people don't realize blatant trolling when they see it on here.

Dhig
10-14-2008, 03:33
In all fairness I do not think that this is an entirely valid comparison (as you yourself (partially) allude to with your exception of rape); bank robbers are not the same breed of criminal as people who break into houses or do "stick ups" in the streets. They are more organized, more disciplined and more (instrumentally) rational than we can readily suppose other criminals to be, and hence they are both more dangerous (in a sense), but also more predictable.
At the very least; the grounds for the comparison are disputable without further empirical evidence.

Ok another link and check the last part.
http://www.crimedoctor.com/home2.htm

Jester814
10-14-2008, 03:34
I actually read it all :eek:
The socialist shitholes in Europe are fine and have a higher standard overall regarding everything.
And it is a fact that acting like Rambo will more likely get you killed then let them take your stuff.
Items can be replaced, your life can not.

The fact that so many Americans own guns doesnt do shit except making it easier for accident to happen. As I see it the only reason people use guns is because they are afraid.
Afraid of socialism, get a gun.
Afraid of terrorists, get a gun.
Afraid of Russia, get a gun.
Afraid of criminals that might rob you, get a gun.

Getting a gun wont actually help you, it will only make you maintain your fear. Most of you wont even use the gun if something happens.

Once again, you are full of shit. You just spout some same old rhetoric that you've heard without a single iota of fact. There are between 2 and 4 MILLION defensive uses of guns in the USA each year. Those defensive uses FAR outweigh the criminal uses of guns.

Here's something I can gaurentee you will never show me: A FACT supporting my case:

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html

I can find many, MANY more facts like this one to support my opinion if I need.

You will NEVER be able to show me a fact supporting your case because there are none. Your case is based on emotional based thinking and power/control hungry people who care nothing for fact.

Jester814
10-14-2008, 03:37
Ok another link and check the last part.
http://www.crimedoctor.com/home2.htm

That last part is absolutely correct. Did you read it? It says, and I quote: "Don’t ever try to pull a weapon on an armed perpetrator who has you covered with a handgun unless you feel it’s your last chance."

You should ALREADY have your gun in hand by the time an armed perpetrator has you covered by a gun. It's called "situational awareness", and it's the FIRST step in defense of yourself.

Many/most people wander around in a state of complete unawareness and then wonder why bad things happen. It's because THEY WERENT PAYING ATTENTION TO A DAMN THING AROUND THEM.

Dwhap
10-14-2008, 03:37
Once again, you are full of shit. You just spout some same old rhetoric that you've heard without a single iota of fact. There are between 2 and 4 MILLION defensive uses of guns in the USA each year. Those defensive uses FAR outweigh the criminal uses of guns.

Here's something I can gaurentee you will never show me: A FACT supporting my case:

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html

I can find many, MANY more facts like this one to support my opinion if I need.

You will NEVER be able to show me a fact supporting your case because there are none. Your case is based on emotional based thinking and power/control hungry people who care nothing for fact.

Never argue with a gun control supporter. They will only drag you down to thier level, and then attempt to hit you with their bat because they don't own a gun.. But since you do, you will be forced to shoot them and might feel bad about it later...

Damwa
10-14-2008, 03:38
Ok another link and check the last part.
http://www.crimedoctor.com/home2.htm

ehm.. that doesn't seem to actually contradict the argument that firearms can be a useful and essential part of self-defence. It only seems to argue that they aren't the only means, not always the best means of self-defence and *sometimes* the worst means. I don't think that anyone would dispute that.

Dhig
10-14-2008, 03:43
Once again, you are full of shit. You just spout some same old rhetoric that you've heard without a single iota of fact. There are between 2 and 4 MILLION defensive uses of guns in the USA each year. Those defensive uses FAR outweigh the criminal uses of guns.

Here's something I can gaurentee you will never show me: A FACT supporting my case:

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html

I can find many, MANY more facts like this one to support my opinion if I need.

You will NEVER be able to show me a fact supporting your case because there are none. Your case is based on emotional based thinking and power/control hungry people who care nothing for fact.

Full of shit haha.
Read the links and use your fucking brain.
I dont post links from 2002 and try to act like I know it all.
These are proffessional people in security bussiness.
And they dont know shit haha

Damwa
10-14-2008, 03:50
Full of shit haha.
Read the links and use your fucking brain.
I dont post links from 2002 and try to act like I know it all.
These are proffessional people in security bussiness.
And they dont know shit haha

In all fairness; it might be argued that since they *are* professionals in the business of security, they wouldn't be particularly interested in "pushing" the possible self-defense value of firearms. They would rather be more motivated to emphasize the significance of such measures as they provide (and the most expensive of them). Not drawing any conclusions; just saying..

lastpatagonian
10-14-2008, 03:56
ok, dont make me link the episode of bullshit about gun contol. ummm oh crap i may have already. now i am going to have to scroll through all 10 pages again.

Dhig
10-14-2008, 04:03
In all fairness; it might be argued that since they *are* professionals in the business of security, they wouldn't be particularly interested in "pushing" the possible self-defense value of firearms. They would rather be more motivated to emphasize the significance of such measures as they provide (and the most expensive of them). Not drawing any conclusions; just saying..

If you read the article it is about violating homes in general. How most criminals and ppl act.
He also say that running away to call the police is better then to act and possibly get killed.
The part about that people can not say how they will act or think when it happens is also very interesting.

verlox2
10-14-2008, 04:17
In Texas, I don't have to own a gun. I just run in the street and say someones robbing my home or something and thirty pickup trucks arrive, and inside are unshaved men toting boom-sticks!

Jester814
10-14-2008, 04:21
Never argue with a gun control supporter. They will only drag you down to thier level, and then attempt to hit you with their bat because they don't own a gun.. But since you do, you will be forced to shoot them and might feel bad about it later...

lol allrighty then. I'm done in this thread. I've made my points with facts supported by links to more facts, and the one "fact" that my opponents hit me with actually only serverd to prove my point.

Dhig
10-14-2008, 04:33
lol allrighty then. I'm done in this thread. I've made my points with facts supported by links to more facts, and the one "fact" that my opponents hit me with actually only serverd to prove my point.

I dont think you read my post that good.
I was only talking about the fact that even if you own a gun you will most likely be to scared to use it if anything happens. Despite what you say on this forum.
I gave you facts on how most criminals and people act when your home gets violated.

Crying Hyena
10-14-2008, 15:35
http://www.euphoria-magazine.com/photography/34-photography/243-cool-looking-guns

This might help sway some people.

Matriel
10-14-2008, 19:18
I'm on a road trip shitheads.

Also, if you don't like guns, you're the one with the problem.

Also, let this be my mushroom stamp of approval on most of this thread.

Tdog
10-14-2008, 19:20
I'm on a road trip shitheads.

Also, if you don't like guns, you're the one with the problem.

Also, let this be my mushroom stamp of approval on most of this thread.

Hey I just figured you were out hunting.

kordoyn
10-14-2008, 19:20
I'm on a road trip shitheads.

Also, if you don't like guns, you're the one with the problem.

Also, let this be my mushroom stamp of approval on most of this thread.

OMG Matriel is on a road trip through a problem filled mushroom land. He must be playing Beta. OMG conspiraciez! Hai Tasos.

Matriel
10-14-2008, 19:22
Hey I just figured you were out hunting.

I find bow hunting rather boring really. I'm too in love with real ballistics and not 60 yard crappy arrow shots.

Tdog
10-14-2008, 19:24
I find bow hunting rather boring really. I'm too in love with real ballistics and not 60 yard crappy arrow shots.

I agree about bow hunting being boring but any reason to "miss" work is always worth it.

Fizbanui
10-14-2008, 19:27
I find bow hunting rather boring really. I'm too in love with real ballistics and not 60 yard crappy arrow shots.

I rather think you haven't enough skill for real archery

Carl Ragadamn
10-14-2008, 19:27
I find that if you work bow season as a stalking sport, you will not get many shots at deer, but come firearm season you are doing good.

Matriel
10-14-2008, 19:28
I agree about bow hunting being boring but any reason to "miss" work is always worth it.

For sure. Better believe I'm out soon as rifle season is here. May even take off for muzzleloader season this fall.


I rather think you haven't enough skill for real archery

Eh, I've killed deer with a bow. I just don't like it. And bow season in Kentucky usually isn't cold enough to hang them up in a tree for a couple days as well. Much rather make a 300 yard rifle shot than a 45 yard bow shot. Just my thing I suppose.

Lictor
10-14-2008, 19:31
I'm on a road trip shitheads.

Also, if you don't like guns, you're the one with the problem.

Also, let this be my mushroom stamp of approval on most of this thread.

Oh, it's good to have you back.
Guns suck! :sly:

Tdog
10-14-2008, 19:33
For sure. Better believe I'm out soon as rifle season is here. May even take off for muzzleloader season this fall.



Eh, I've killed deer with a bow. I just don't like it. And bow season in Kentucky usually isn't cold enough to hang them up in a tree for a couple days as well. Much rather make a 300 yard rifle shot than a 45 yard bow shot. Just my thing I suppose.

GAH muzzleloaders, I cannot aim one to save my life.

Normally not being cold enough is not a problem here in Michigan.
I have never killed a deer with a bow but that is mainly because I just sleep in the tree stand because I get bored.

Matriel
10-14-2008, 19:34
Oh, it's good to have you back.
Guns suck! :sly:

Not back just yet. Stuck at a friends while I get my rear tire changed out.

Have you even fired a gun?


GAH muzzleloaders, I cannot aim one to save my life.

Normally not being cold enough is not a problem here in Michigan.

I'm trying to find a kit for a left handed Kentucky Long Rifle, but it doesn't seem meant to be. Gonna have to settle for a Hawken or some shit. :(

Fizbanui
10-14-2008, 19:36
Eh, I've killed deer with a bow. I just don't like it. And bow season in Kentucky usually isn't cold enough to hang them up in a tree for a couple days as well. Much rather make a 300 yard rifle shot than a 45 yard bow shot. Just my thing I suppose.

Well okay, but I served 2 years in the Bundeswehr (our army) and my favorite hobby is archery and I have to say that our rifle training was extremly boring for me whereas archery was quite fun but damn hard.

Matriel
10-14-2008, 19:39
Well okay, but I served 2 years in the Bundeswehr (our army) and my favorite hobby is archery and I have to say that our rifle training was extremly boring for me whereas archery was quite fun but damn hard.

Not sure how your rifle training is, but normally that shit is a little underwhelming. I make my own rounds, test them, and then use them in the field. The whole situation is a kind of skill test for myself. And when you drop a deer at 300+ yards that's moving and the strike of your round is spot on with slight wind, it's a good day.

Archery is fun I suppose, just seems so limited. AKA, there's a reason we moved on to firearms.

Lictor
10-14-2008, 19:42
Have you even fired a gun?

We've had that conversation, already. Yes, I did.

It was a cheap provocation on my part... It worked, even though I thought it won't.

I know you love guns already (really, no pun intended, you love them, admit it) - and having that knowledge - I have decided not to mess into your relationship. I believe everyone has a right for love. You too.

Matriel
10-14-2008, 19:48
We've had that conversation, already. Yes, I did.

It was a cheap provocation on my part... It worked, even though I thought it won't.

I know you love guns already (really, no pun intended, you love them, admit it) - and having that knowledge - I have decided not to mess into your relationship. I believe everyone has a right for love. You too.

What did you fire?

I don't love anything. I'm dead inside. I believe women and European males call it emotion deficit disorder. Which real men all suffer from.

jonyak
10-14-2008, 20:08
I don't love anything. I'm dead inside. I believe women and European males call it emotion deficit disorder. Which real men all suffer from.

thats called being a sociopath...

Hecubis
10-14-2008, 20:13
My brother missed a 4-point mulie 3 fucking times on the weekend. He blames it on a wobbly scope, bastard should take better care of his kit imo.

Matriel
10-14-2008, 20:15
thats called being a sociopath...

potatoe potato. :)


My brother missed a 4-point mulie 3 fucking times on the weekend. He blames it on a wobbly scope, bastard should take better care of his kit imo.

Shit should have been sighted in first. Canadian noobs :P

Hecubis
10-14-2008, 20:33
Shit should have been sighted in first. Canadian noobs :P

That's exactly what I said, and I don't even hunt!

I'm fucking pissed. Those two boneheads (my dad and my brother) haven't brought home any venison in like 4 years, and the first chance they get, they royally fuck it up.

Lictor
10-14-2008, 20:38
What did you fire?

Not much:
Glock 17,
ČZ vz. 52,
and some revolver I don't remember the model.


I don't love anything. I'm dead inside. I believe women and European males call it emotion deficit disorder. Which real men all suffer from.

You are wrong. Being complete emotional cripple isn't manly at all. But you're entitled to your opinion, of course.

More so, we've got more of the likes of you (so called "real men") here, in Europe, than you might imagine. Generalizing about approximately 250.000.000 European men won't get you far in that discussion.

Matriel
10-14-2008, 20:43
Not much:
Glock 17,
ČZ vz. 52,
and some revolver I don't remember the model.

And you didn't enjoy it?



You are wrong. Being complete emotional cripple isn't manly at all. But you're entitled to your opinion, of course.

More so, we've got more of the likes of you (so called "real men") here, in Europe, than you might imagine. Generalizing about approximately 250.000.000 European men won't get you far in that discussion.

You are one of the most boring people on this forum to troll... :(

Lictor
10-14-2008, 20:47
And you didn't enjoy it?

Yeah I did, no one dragged me to the shooting range after all. I went myself. Actually I kind of like guns.


You are one of the most boring people on this forum to troll... :(

I will take this as a compliment and add one from myself: I especially love to troll you!

Matriel
10-14-2008, 20:49
Yeah I did, no one dragged me to the shooting range after all. I went myself. Actually I kind of like guns.

Figured.



I will take this as a compliment and add one from myself: I especially love to troll you!

Eh, you don't actually troll me. I appreciate the attempts though.

Hecubis
10-14-2008, 20:52
Most of my male relatives in Europe are hyper-macho, but that's only to be expected from men living in rural Germany. Shit, even my female relatives are more macho than most of the men living here in Vancouver BC, lol. My Grandma had to flee for her life from the Red Army and lost most of her family in the war, shes not the type of person that breaks down and cries over a fucking tree or something.

I should have snapped some pictures of my uncle sitting on the roof of a combine (http://www.osbckansas.org/Images/larger/combine.jpg) and sniping wild boars while the combine operator was harvesting wheat so I could show you guys what I mean, lol.

Lictor
10-14-2008, 20:57
Figured.

The main difference between us is that you see - or have set your whole Forumfall trolling career on a theory (which is more than possible) - firearms as a perfect mean to solve all kinds of conflict situations between people and I don't. In one of the thread from the past, you yourself deduced, that I hate or fear guns. Well, no, I don't. I'm not a "holophobe". ;)


Eh, you don't actually troll me. I appreciate the attempts though.

You're welcome.

Matriel
10-14-2008, 20:59
Most of my male relatives in Europe are hyper-macho, but that's only to be expected from men living in rural Germany. Shit, even my female relatives are more macho than most of the men living here in Vancouver BC, lol. My Grandma had to flee for her life from the Red Army and lost most of her family in the war, shes not the type of person that breaks down and cries over a fucking tree or something.

I should have snapped some pictures of my uncle sitting on the roof of a combine (http://www.osbckansas.org/Images/larger/combine.jpg) and sniping wild boars while the combine operator was harvesting wheat so I could show you guys what I mean, lol.

Guess he didn't shoot like your brother.


The main difference between us is that you see - or have set your whole Forumfall trolling career on a theory (which is more than possible) - firearms as a perfect mean to solve all kinds of conflict situations between people and I don't. In one of the thread from the past, you yourself deduced, that I hate or fear guns. Well, no, I don't. I'm not a "holophobe". ;)

Eh, firearms are not perfect, simply the best tool for the job at this time. If something better comes along, I'll throw my lot in with that.

You have some irrational feelings with guns for sure. Don't know if you're a hoplophobe, but that word usually provokes a response.

Lictor
10-14-2008, 21:12
Eh, firearms are not perfect, simply the best tool for the job at this time. If something better comes along, I'll throw my lot in with that.

The firearms are a perfect tool, when you go hunting, yes.
The firearms are a perfect tool, when you want to kill a person quickly and over some distance, yes.
I agree with you.

What I don't agree with you is that - from all, which is known about you here on the forum (so not much) - you'd rather shoot an unknown person in your house, than to ask him/her (even on a gunpoint, have it your way :sly:) what's (s)he doing there and kicking him/her out or calling police. That's where we disagree.


You have some irrational feelings with guns for sure. Don't know if you're a hoplophobe, but that word usually provokes a response.

Don't mess rationality with emotions. You love firearms, you really do, but you're too shy to admit it! When you have the feelings about guns, that you have, and do not acknowledge it, you start to think it's natural and obvious for every "sane" man to feel the same way. And when he doesn't, you start to think he's odd. It's just like I would accuse all men, who wouldn't love my girlfriend, of being fags. Do you see the analogy?

Matriel
10-14-2008, 21:20
The firearms are a perfect tool, when you go hunting, yes.
The firearms are a perfect tool, when you want to kill a person quickly and over some distance, yes.
I agree with you.

What I don't agree with you is that - from all, which is known about you here on the forum (so not much) - you'd rather shoot an unknown person in your house, than to ask him/her (even on a gunpoint, have it your way :sly:) what's (s)he doing there and kicking him/her out or calling police. That's where we disagree.

That's because I've had actual training that let's me realize exactly how dangerous someone is inside your house in the dark in the middle of the night. Even if you don't immediately see a weapon on them. If someone is a big enough cretin to break into my house, they've already told me they want to kill me in my book. And thankfully in my state's laws as well.

Some people advocate the school of thought that you scare the person off by racking a 12 gauge. In my book, you're just letting that asshole know where you are. If that makes sense.



Don't mess rationality with emotions. You love firearms, you really do, but you're too shy to admit it! When you have the feelings about guns, that you have, and do not acknowledge it, you start to think it's natural and obvious for every "sane" man to feel the same way. And when he doesn't, you start to think he's odd. It's just like I would accuse all men, who wouldn't love my girlfriend, of being fags. Do you see the analogy?


No, because you're taking a hobby that I'm fond of and blowing it out of proportion. I argue guns on here because normally someone will respond back. And since I've taken a lot of time researching the political side of the subject, it's an easy face crushing as well. Some things are slightly embellished to achieve proper troll posts to garner the best responses, but it's nothing more than something I enjoy doing. I don't like shooting any more or less than I like hiking, playing video games, or cooking for that matter.

Hecubis
10-14-2008, 21:31
Guess he didn't shoot like your brother.


Nope. Pest control is serious business for farmers.

Lictor
10-14-2008, 21:54
No, because you're taking a hobby that I'm fond of and blowing it out of proportion. I argue guns on here because normally someone will respond back. And since I've taken a lot of time researching the political side of the subject, it's an easy face crushing as well. Some things are slightly embellished to achieve proper troll posts to garner the best responses, but it's nothing more than something I enjoy doing. I don't like shooting any more or less than I like hiking, playing video games, or cooking for that matter.

Maybe you're a normal human being after all! :cool:
Maybe!

Fizbanui
10-14-2008, 21:56
Maybe you're a normal human being after all! :cool:
Maybe!

Normal human being with 24000+ post......??
Eh yea maybe....

Matriel
10-14-2008, 21:57
Let's not start throwing shit around like normal now fellas. Anywho, off to Roswell to see the aliens!

DR.NUMBERS
10-14-2008, 22:05
Let's not start throwing shit around like normal now fellas. Anywho, off to Roswell to see the aliens!

Say hello to Surly for me!

Lictor
10-14-2008, 22:30
Let's not start throwing shit around like normal now fellas. Anywho, off to Roswell to see the aliens!

They're not crushing in the same place twice!

reece
10-14-2008, 22:35
this video reminded me of matriel

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d78_1223684448

Killuminati
10-14-2008, 22:37
HAHAHAHAHAHA, awesome vid

Eyrothath
10-14-2008, 22:42
In Ron Paul's own words..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdxTg9x3Mbg

Welcome to forumfall, we're the most conservative gaming forum out there..

Fizbanui
10-14-2008, 22:43
this video reminded me of matriel

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d78_1223684448

uhahahahhahahaha

Hecubis
10-14-2008, 23:03
this video reminded me of matriel

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d78_1223684448

Now there's a fellow that wasn't observing proper gun control. Potential Darwin Award winnar IMO.

Too bad for the kid.

Also, I seriously doubt Matriel is that careless with his firearms.

Killuminati
10-14-2008, 23:05
Also, I seriously doubt Matriel is that careless with his firearms.

He sticks his peen in the barrel at night.

Hecubis
10-14-2008, 23:07
He sticks his peen in the barrel at night.

It's probably a loose fit. :lmao:

Lictor
10-14-2008, 23:22
this video reminded me of matriel

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d78_1223684448

Awesome video! :lmao:

reece
10-14-2008, 23:38
Also, I seriously doubt Matriel is that careless with his firearms.

ofcourse not. matriel is not an idiot.

wait a second. Isnt he in the military?

Duncandun
10-14-2008, 23:42
this is a rhetorical question

Hecubis
10-14-2008, 23:47
ofcourse not. matriel is not an idiot.

wait a second. Isnt he in the military?

He was, but everyone makes stupid mistakes when they're young.

reece
10-14-2008, 23:54
i heard that he now believes chaos and the right of the stronger equals anarchy.
calls himself a capitalist anarchist now who wants to protect his property with his firearms and abolish the state

lol

i hope obama puts the guns away from him befroe he harms anyone.

xDEATHx
10-15-2008, 00:16
they can't ban guns because then too many people would be out of jobs who worked in gun related jobs