Religilous

[Krylas]

Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iUyAppOOU0)
From the looks of the trailer, Bill Maher wins again.
Thoughts?

[Forgivance]

Very excited about this...very much so looking foward to seeing it.

[cosimo84]

wow bill maher seems like an idiot

[hardboiled]

Done to death.

[Krylas]

wow bill maher seems like an idiot

So you admit you haven't looked into him at all and are choosing to stay uninformed and biased, so that you may hold on to your assumption as if it were a faith?

[WhySoSerious]

I'm watching it

[Dahoma]

This actually looks like an extremely good movie. Hopefully it's not just bashing religions but actually refuting them intelligently and being open to new ideas.

[Krylas]

This actually looks like an extremely good movie. Hopefully it's not just bashing religions but actually refuting them intelligently and being open to new ideas.

There was a good interview with him on the Daily Show today.

[Satan]

what if youre wrong?
what if YOURE wrong?

OMG THIS GUY IS A GENIOUS

no wait hes a moron. its gonna have old idiotic atheist jokes that elitists get off on and hes gonna interview a bunch of morons. its one big attempt to make himself look good

[Krylas]

what if youre wrong?
what if YOURE wrong?

OMG THIS GUY IS A GENIOUS

no wait hes a moron. its gonna have old idiotic atheist jokes that elitists get off on and hes gonna interview a bunch of morons. its one big attempt to make himself look good

So you admit you haven't looked into him at all and are choosing to stay uninformed and biased, so that you may hold on to your assumption as if it were a faith?
Must I repeat myself?

[Layedballer]

Can't wait for this. Will definitely see it when it comes out

[Ramses]

Must I repeat myself?

Is Bill Maher infallible or something to you? You sound a lot like him in the "What if you're wrong?" "What if YOU'RE wrong?" sort of way. Not a real argument. I don't understand the point of this movie--unless he's trying to help religion be more peaceful, he's not doing anything at all, because religious people aren't just going to give up faith over a movie that, as far as I can tell, has a belligerent agenda against faith.

Why can't people understand that, once people have formed their world views for themselves, there's very little beyond leading by genuine example that is going to change anything. And Bill Maher is a horrible example. I haven't seen much of his work, I'm only going by this trailer. I guess I should say in this trailer Bill Maher is a horrible example.

[Layedballer]

Is Bill Maher infallible or something to you? You sound a lot like him in the "What if you're wrong?" "What if YOU'RE wrong?" sort of way. Not a real argument. I don't understand the point of this movie--unless he's trying to help religion be more peaceful, he's not doing anything at all, because religious people aren't just going to give up faith over a movie that, as far as I can tell, has a belligerent agenda against faith.

Why can't people understand that, once people have formed their world views for themselves, there's very little beyond leading by genuine example that is going to change anything. And Bill Maher is a horrible example. I haven't seen much of his work, I'm only going by this trailer. I guess I should say in this trailer Bill Maher is a horrible example.

Something must be happening(such as people seeing through religious bull) seeing as how atheism is quickly growing. Besides he makes some good points(why doesn't god just destroy the devil and all evil?) if you can answer that and maintain the all knowing, peacefull, infallible, loving, omnipotent god idealogy then I will bow to you.

[Behhemoth]

I will go for the fights that break out in the theaters.

[Satan]

Must I repeat myself?

no

ive heard him before, and based on the preview it looks like his typical stuff. like someone said, the movies not gonna make people drop their faith, its for atheists to have a circle jerk and pretend they have all the answers. same for movies like the passion of the christ

[Caffy]

I liked Bill when he hosted Politicly Incorrect. He claimed to be libertarian and could make a decent arguement.

Ever since he lost his job there he's turned into a bitter, partisan democrat, liberal, hippy, douche.

Now he's just an angry, pathetic little man.

[Bodu]

I don't think I need to see a movie to know that people who think Jesus had superpowers because they read it in a book are retarded

[Bodu]

Ever since he lost his job there he's turned into a bitter, partisan democrat, liberal, hippy, douche.

Agreed. Jon Stewart too.

They're both funny, but most of their political jokes rely on their audiences to be entirely ignorant except for what they see on TV.

[cosimo84]

So you admit you haven't looked into him at all and are choosing to stay uninformed and biased, so that you may hold on to your assumption as if it were a faith?

He's making a movie about himself going around treating people like idiots and spreading religious intolerance, that much I'm informed about.

But I am fairly uninformed about him, I've seen very little of him and don't know what he's about. Feel free to enlighten me. Biased though? I had no like or dislike of him before I saw that trailer, yet, you call me biased when you actually don't know why I think he's an idiot or know anything about me....

If I'm at a park with a pond in the middle of it, and see something that looks like a duck and quacks, I'm going to assume it's a duck, but faith has nothing to do with it.

Here's another assumption you can tear me up on if I'm wrong. He seems to be an Athiest. And that's the one belief I struggle to respect because there is just as much scientific evidence that Santa Claus is real as there is to disprove the existence of god. Counter-culture is becoming increasingly known and popular in this country in terms of film and music, I think he's trying to capitalize on that by looking and sounding cute to stroke the respective egos.

In other words, he's talking about religion and beliefs but I don't think he's trying to enlighten anyone about anything. He definitely seems like an idiot, and I don't find what he has to say all that new or interesting, so what's the incentive to look closer.

[Aragoni]

Here's another assumption you can tear me up on if I'm wrong. He seems to be an Athiest. And that's the one belief I struggle to respect because there is just as much scientific evidence that Santa Claus is real as there is to disprove the existence of god.

There is just as much scientific evidence that there is a God as that there isn't one so please shut your fucking piehole.


Personally I'll see the film since Bill Maher is IMO a great comedian. I wouldn't take this movie as a Documentary though since it's probably going to be as twisted as Michael Moore's movies.
Also; The Director of the film is Larry Charles, the person that also directed Borat. :D

[Whisky Bob]

In Short: I believe. Fuck him.

[cosimo84]

There is just as much scientific evidence that there is a God as that there isn't one so please shut your fucking piehole.
that is exactly my point.... Atheist beliefs are against the notion of god though......


Personally I'll see the film since Bill Maher is IMO a great comedian. I wouldn't take this movie as a Documentary though since it's probably going to be as twisted as Michael Moore's movies.
Also; The Director of the film is Larry Charles, the person that also directed Borat. :D
The same person who has either completely missed what i was saying, or simply doesn't know what an Atheist is, also finds Bill Maher amusing....gee...thanks for proving me wrong and restoring my faith in humanity on that one, jackass

[Aragoni]

that is exactly my point.... Atheist beliefs are against the notion of god though......

And religious people are for the notion of god(s). Both are far-fetched and strange.

The same person who has either completely missed what i was saying, or simply doesn't know what an Atheist is, also finds Bill Maher amusing....gee...thanks for proving me wrong and restoring my faith in humanity on that one, jackass

Uh...? I know what Atheism is. I used to be one. I'm atm more along the lines of Charles Darwin "Tooth-fairy agonostic". Any God is just as realistic as the tooth-fairy since there are just as much proof for both.
And Bill Maher speaks about more shit then Religion. This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPET-Ob0xxc) is a good example.

[cosimo84]

And religious people are for the notion of god(s). Both are far-fetched and strange.



Uh...? I know what Atheism is. I used to be one. I'm atm more along the lines of Charles Darwin "Tooth-fairy agonostic". Any God is just as realistic as the tooth-fairy since there are just as much proof for both.
And Bill Maher speaks about more shit then Religion. This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPET-Ob0xxc) is a good example.

god you're thick

[[LoD] EE]

If I'm at a park with a pond in the middle of it, and see something that looks like a duck and quacks, I'm going to assume it's a duck, but faith has nothing to do with it.



But, if you think its a duck and someone comes and logically explains why its not a duck but a goose and you continue to scream, " I have faith its a duck and I want to believe its a duck LEAVE ME ALONE " then you sir, like all religious people, are an idiot.

Faith has everything to do with it because its a belief system based off of nothing but wants and hope aka make believe and not reality.

[Barbarossa]

Bill Maher?

Not funny.

Not a genius.

/thread

[Vanno]

I will go for the fights that break out in the theaters.

That will just be an added benefit. I'll probably have to go to the opening a few cities north of me, as Eugene isn't exactly know for its religious populace.

[Vanno]

There is just as much scientific evidence that there is a God as that there isn't one so please shut your fucking piehole.


Personally I'll see the film since Bill Maher is IMO a great comedian. I wouldn't take this movie as a Documentary though since it's probably going to be as twisted as Michael Moore's movies.
Also; The Director of the film is Larry Charles, the person that also directed Borat. :D

???????????????????????????????????????. ......................????????????????? What the fuck are you talking about?

[cosimo84]

EE;1759648']But, if you think its a duck and someone comes and logically explains why its not a duck but a goose and you continue to scream, " I have faith its a duck and I want to believe its a duck LEAVE ME ALONE " then you sir, like all religious people, are an idiot.

Faith has everything to do with it because its a belief system based off of nothing but wants and hope aka make believe and not reality.

But so far, logic says it's a duck. If you come along and logically prove it's a goose, and i rant, then you'd have an argument. Until then, faith has nothing to do with me identifying it as a duck, or identifying bill maher as an idiot.

And I don't think all religious people are idiots.

[[LoD] EE]

But so far, logic says it's a duck. If you come along and logically prove it's a goose, and i rant, then you'd have an argument. Until then, faith has nothing to do with me identifying it as a duck, or identifying bill maher as an idiot.

And I don't think all religious people are idiots.

Well, there is quite a bit of evidence to support that its a goose and the duck has no evidence to support its existence and yet, you have millions of retards ranting and raving about how duck should be served in school lunches.

Duck is the crutch for the uninformed. To believe the universe was created in one might quack is quite absurd.

[Crabs Magee]

People like Bill Maher are fucking douchebags, 'specially in this case. The few militant atheists (like Maher, Dawkins, Harris, etc) contribute to the popular notion that all atheists are hateful cynics who want nothing more but for religion to be destroyed. In reality, most of us just want to be left the fuck alone.

[losinglife]

I will go for the fights that break out in the theaters.

It will be like when borat came out, cept the fights will be with fists.

[Barbarossa]

EE;1759696']Well, there is quite a bit of evidence to support that its a goose and the duck has no evidence to support its existence and yet, you have millions of retards ranting and raving about how duck should be served in school lunches.

Duck is the crutch for the uninformed. To believe the universe was created in one might quack is quite absurd.

Quite a profound statement until you read this:

EE ]hell, I have a 8th or 9th grade education ( depending on if you count last grade completed or credits for passed grades ).

No one is going to listen to your drivel after you posted that, way to go genius.

Any credibility you had here before, you blew away in the time it took you to type that out.

[[LoD] EE]

People like Bill Maher are fucking douchebags, 'specially in this case. The few militant atheists (like Maher, Dawkins, Harris, etc) contribute to the popular notion that all atheists are hateful cynics who want nothing more but for religion to be destroyed. In reality, most of us just want to be left the fuck alone.

World would be a better place with religion gone.

[Lioness]

EE;1759709']World would be a better place with religion gone.

Without religion I wouldn't have Christmas, and without Christmas I wouldn't get presents, so stfu!

But seriously... I see nothing wrong with religion... I see things wrong with a few religious nuts, such as the Westboro Baptist Church or Palin's "pray the gay away" church...

But they are just as poor-moraled and condescending as Bill Maher... Both try to tell the other that their purpose of life is unintelligent and that they are living a life of pointlessness...

Also, I love holidays. :)





F.Y.I. I'm agnostic. >.>

[[LoD] EE]

Quite a profound statement until you read this:



No one is going to listen to your drivel after you posted that, way to go genius.

Any credibility you had here before, you blew away in the time it took you to type that out.

Just because I didnt go to school doesnt mean shit buddy. I am self taught and have accomplished more in my life then some of these fuck stains with their college degrees have done.

Remember Bill Gates? Dropped out of high school. :D

[Vanno]

EE;1759734']

Remember Bill Gates? Dropped out of high school. :D

It was Harvard he dropped out of; he went to a prep school, not a highschool.

[BilboBaggins]

If you are mad about this movie then that just means your un-confident about your own faith and you are afraid it will make other people be open minded= you fail


can't wait for this movie

[[LoD] EE]

It was Harvard he dropped out of; he went to a prep school, not a highschool.

I might have him confused with someone else then. I could have swore I read that but looking up the info you are right.

Dave Thomas ( WENDYS ) dropped out of high school but yeah, that old fuck was born in the 30's hehe.

[Barbarossa]

EE;1759734']Just because I didnt go to school doesnt mean shit buddy. I am self taught and have accomplished more in my life then some of these fuck stains with their college degrees have done.

Remember Bill Gates? Dropped out of high school. :D

It was Harvard he dropped out of; he went to a prep school, not a highschool.

You're proving that education, even a high school one, does mean shit with every post you make.

[[LoD] EE]

Without religion I wouldn't have Christmas, and without Christmas I wouldn't get presents, so stfu!

But seriously... I see nothing wrong with religion... I see things wrong with a few religious nuts, such as the Westboro Baptist Church or Palin's "pray the gay away" church...

But they are just as poor-moraled and condescending as Bill Maher... Both try to tell the other that their purpose of life is unintelligent and that they are living a life of pointlessness...

Also, I love holidays. :)

F.Y.I. I'm agnostic. >.>

I see a lot wrong with religion, like the brain washing of children into the socially accepted cult as one.

As for Christmas, its a pegan holiday not a christian one.

I am not religious, I am anti religious but I celebrate Christmas as a family get together not the made up birthday of a religious figure.

[[LoD] EE]

You're proving that education, even a high school one, does mean shit with every post you make.

Oh yeah.. one mistake a education makes.

And what have you done with your life in the Armpit of America? You seem so keen on comparing E-Peens.. what have you done?

[Barbarossa]

EE;1759756']Oh yeah.. one mistake a education makes.

And what have you done with your life in the Armpit of America? You seem so keen on comparing E-Peens.. what have you done?


It's not just that, you seem to be incapable of even recognizing when you've been insulted.

Has a lot to do with reading comprehension, whoops, sorry I'll try not to use too many big words from here on out.

I've lived a rather full and comfortable life on my high school graduate education. I have a great family, excellent income, own my own home, 3 vehicles, etc., that's what I've done.

My pathetic attempt to stick it out in school instead of being a loser dropout afforded me most of this.

[[LoD] EE]

It's not just that, you seem to be incapable of even recognizing when you've been insulted.

Has a lot to do with reading comprehension, whoops, sorry I'll try not to use too many big words from here on out.

No, its the fact I could really give a shit.

I am still pounding coffee right now trying to wake my ass up. I keep having to go back and fix posts due to spelling mistakes lol. Sleep has been escaping me for the last 3 weeks, been getting very little and its starting to piss me off. I have too much shit on my plate right now and a deadline to meet for a new sponsor that I dont think I will be able to meet this month.

[Scully]

This actually looks like an extremely good movie. Hopefully it's not just bashing religions but actually refuting them intelligently and being open to new ideas.

There's nothing intelligent about religion.

[[LoD] EE]

I've lived a rather full and comfortable life on my high school graduate education. I have a great family, excellent income, own my own home, 3 vehicles, etc., that's what I've done.

My pathetic attempt to stick it out in school instead of being a loser dropout afforded me most of this.

I have lived a quite comfortable life as well with my education. 2 cars and a truck, one being a race car, a house and soon to be a new business. Currently unemployed due to the construction layoffs in So Cal but I am still pulling more then enough to live with unemployment and have plenty in my savings.

As for dropping out. Kinda hard to stay in school when...

1: Its not a challenge
2: You move 4 times in a year
3: Each school was more fucked up then the last ( lovely So Cal ).

Cant complain though, sure, I worked my ass off between my job and my racing ( to the tune of 70-80 hours a week ) but I made a decent living at $60k a year and I was doing something I love to do.

[PrimalSign]

There's nothing intelligent about religion.

I dunno. It's pretty amazing how many hoops and loops religious scholars go through just to get back at "we don't know how this is possible, so it must fit our assumptions." It's like a game of Mouse Trap.

If intelligence is the mastery of complex ideas - then there are plenty of intelligent religious people. :)

[Barbarossa]

EE;1759783']I have lived a quite comfortable life as well with my education. 2 cars and a truck, one being a race car, a house and soon to be a new business. Currently unemployed due to the construction layoffs in So Cal but I am still pulling more then enough to live with unemployment and have plenty in my savings.

As for dropping out. Kinda hard to stay in school when...

1: Its not a challenge
2: You move 4 times in a year
3: Each school was more fucked up then the last ( lovely So Cal ).

Cant complain though, sure, I worked my ass off between my job and my racing ( to the tune of 70-80 hours a week ) but I made a decent living at $60k a year and I was doing something I love to do.


Can't argue with that then.

[[LoD] EE]

Can't argue with that then.

Education level isnt the key to being successful but it sure as hell helps.

I can roof a house, I can do the plumbing and electrical, I can insulate it. 4 years ago, I could not change the tire on a car. Since then, I have done all the work to mine, including the transmission work and fully building the engine (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Go9gKjsK-JU) along with the tuning of the car. I managed in 4 short years to take a 190hp car to the 600-650hp mark ( dont know 100% on the HP I have not had it on a Dyno yet and video is old turbo setup ). Next year I am going to be forced to get NHRA Certified in the car.

Sure I have worked about 30 different jobs but I am a jack of all trades, I could do pretty much anything I want, from car repair to home repair, designing signs on a computer to repo man, from escort driver to forklift driver :D

I really spread myself out in lots of different fields for a while. :D

[cosimo84]

EE;1759696']Well, there is quite a bit of evidence to support that its a goose and the duck has no evidence to support its existence and yet, you have millions of retards ranting and raving about how duck should be served in school lunches.

Duck is the crutch for the uninformed. To believe the universe was created in one might quack is quite absurd.

you're confusing things.

Duck being a duck = Bill Maher being an idiot.
Duck being actually a goose = Bill Maher not being an idiot.

I don't see anything here proving the idiot duck to actually be a coherent goose. =D

Like I said, I'm Agnostic. I don't believe or disbelieve the existence of god. I think all religions, including Atheism, have an equal chance of being right or wrong, ideally.

In reality, I have more against Atheism because every Atheist I've met is bitter, cynical, and disrespectful toward other people's religious beliefs by accusing them of things like "believing in magic" and basically blindly believing something that science cannot prove. Atheism is like the religion for insane hypocrites.

I don't label Atheists as idiots in general, but Bill Maher seems to be another idiot Atheist.

[jonyak]

you're confusing things.

Duck being a duck = Bill Maher being an idiot.
Duck being actually a goose = Bill Maher not being an idiot.

I don't see anything here proving the idiot duck to actually be a coherent goose. =D

Like I said, I'm Agnostic. I don't believe or disbelieve the existence of god. I think all religions, including Atheism, have an equal chance of being right or wrong, ideally.

In reality, I have more against Atheism because every Atheist I've met is bitter, cynical, and disrespectful toward other people's religious beliefs on the said basis of things like "believing in magic" and basically blindly believing something that science cannot prove. It's like the religion for insane hypocrites.


actualy its more like an anti-religion.

I just hate idiots. not religious people. all idiots. I have met alot of religious people who are very easy to get along with, and can have logical discussions. its when they try to convert me, or all they talk about is god and jesus. those are the ones I tear into.

I see people say its the aetheists that are beligerant... most of the time they are responding to people throwing there religion onto them, trying to make them see the light. very rarley have I seen an aetheist just tear into a religious person for no reason.

[cosimo84]

actualy its more like an anti-religion.

I just hate idiots. not religious people. all idiots. I have met alot of religious people who are very easy to get along with, and can have logical discussions. its when they try to convert me, or all they talk about is god and jesus. those are the ones I tear into.

I see people say its the aetheists that are beligerant... most of the time they are responding to people throwing there religion onto them, trying to make them see the light. very rarley have I seen an aetheist just tear into a religious person for no reason.
yeah I know, anti-religion....their system of beliefs is one that relies on the existence of other 'said wrong' systems of beliefs. That's a lil too much for me to wrap my head around to take seriously. It looks like typical rebellious adolescence to me, but I'll admit it's one prejudice i have.

I dislike idiots too, especially fanatical ones. I have seen Atheists rip into religious people completely unprovoked, there is no religion out there that doesn't have idiot followers.

[Toilet]

Btw, Bill Maher is agnostic so stfu with him being an atheist.

[Elemancer]

actualy its more like an anti-religion.

I just hate idiots. not religious people. all idiots. I have met alot of religious people who are very easy to get along with, and can have logical discussions. its when they try to convert me, or all they talk about is god and jesus. those are the ones I tear into.

I see people say its the aetheists that are beligerant... most of the time they are responding to people throwing there religion onto them, trying to make them see the light. very rarley have I seen an aetheist just tear into a religious person for no reason.

I don't quite understand...why do you hang out with people that talk about God and Jesus, and they try to convert you? I mean seriously, I don't hang out with guys that brag about how many bitches or drug rings they have going on, while they're trying to get me involved.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of evangelicals, but they do try to convert because they honestly believe they're doing good. Is it right, or wrong? I'd rather them try to convert someone to christianity than pillaging or raping villages...so whatever. There is such a thing as 'no thanks', and you don't have to take offense if someone says your soul will burn in hell if you don't believe X. Yet you 'tear' into someone like that? Come on, THAT's the hypocrisy I see with atheists.

Atheism teaches nothing, it does not (at face value) instill the golden rule, utilitarian beliefs, or even absolute moralism. At some point, atheists have to pick a moral code up from somewhere. Could you imagine a world without a christian or jewish (or even some other long-standing religion) basis of morals? We'd essentially be stuck in tribes. Hell, I don't know much about eastern religions, but even they instill some morals. To sit here and say that 'religion has caused more strife than it has caused good' is an unprovable argument.

I'm going to make a prediction that the next 'holocaust' will involve atheists at the helm. Just you wait and see. As the atheism 'it' crowd starts to teach their kids their trivial moral code based on 'good faith', we will see how it all works out. Remember the first step to tyranny is to remove faith/religion all together, but somehow most collectivists even adopt this mentality.

[jonyak]

I guess you could consider me an agnostic.

although I think there logicaly could be no "god", I also try not to claim to know that there is no god. because I have no proof to tell me either way.

I have very little faith, and beleive that we are all just chemical machines, when we die, we die. thats it. so I have to make my short life here the best I can. be the best person I can be.

[jonyak]

I don't quite understand...why do you hang out with people that talk about God and Jesus, and they try to convert you? I mean seriously, I don't hang out with guys that brag about how many bitches or drug rings they have going on, while they're trying to get me involved.



I don't anymore.

When I was in highschool I had alot of friends who were into jesus. its just kinda how it happened in my small town. Most of my "friends" didn't act like idiots, most of the time it was my friends, friends.

also my parents really tried to push me into religion when I was young. it all stoped when I was asked to leave bible camp when I was 11 or 12 because I asked to many questions.

[[LoD] EE]

I beleive that we are all just chemical machines, when we die, we die. thats it. so I have to make my short life here the best I can. be the best person I can be.

+1 to that.

I am an atheist and that is how I live my life.

To base my life on false hopes and dreams though, I cant do it. I did not believe in fairy tales when I was a child and there is no reason to now. I base my life on what is known not what may be if I close my eyes and wish hard enough.

[[LoD] EE]

I was asked to leave bible camp when I was 11 or 12 because I asked to many questions.

I was forced into religious schools when I was a child and punished ( time out etc ) for asking questions. The one thing religion doesnt want is questioning because when you question and they cant answer, they get defensive. Religion has no answers, all they have is made up stories to attempt to answer the questions that they themselves cant answer. Religion will never have the answer because its a ancient system for understanding the modern universe and every day it shows its age more and more. Its like religion is fighting a war with science when science has 4th gen stealth aircraft and religion is using Sopwith Camels.

[Crying Hyena]

EE;1759734']Just because I didnt go to school doesnt mean shit buddy. I am self taught and have accomplished more in my life then some of these fuck stains with their college degrees have done.

Remember Bill Gates? Dropped out of high school. :D

It was Harvard he dropped out of; he went to a prep school, not a highschool.

Look up how many of the top 10 billionaires graduated from college. That number will surprise most of you.


I don't quite understand...why do you hang out with people that talk about God and Jesus, and they try to convert you? I mean seriously, I don't hang out with guys that brag about how many bitches or drug rings they have going on, while they're trying to get me involved.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of evangelicals, but they do try to convert because they honestly believe they're doing good. Is it right, or wrong? I'd rather them try to convert someone to christianity than pillaging or raping villages...so whatever. There is such a thing as 'no thanks', and you don't have to take offense if someone says your soul will burn in hell if you don't believe X. Yet you 'tear' into someone like that? Come on, THAT's the hypocrisy I see with atheists.

Atheism teaches nothing, it does not (at face value) instill the golden rule, utilitarian beliefs, or even absolute moralism. At some point, atheists have to pick a moral code up from somewhere. Could you imagine a world without a christian or jewish (or even some other long-standing religion) basis of morals? We'd essentially be stuck in tribes. Hell, I don't know much about eastern religions, but even they instill some morals. To sit here and say that 'religion has caused more strife than it has caused good' is an unprovable argument.

I'm going to make a prediction that the next 'holocaust' will involve atheists at the helm. Just you wait and see. As the atheism 'it' crowd starts to teach their kids their trivial moral code based on 'good faith', we will see how it all works out. Remember the first step to tyranny is to remove faith/religion all together, but somehow most collectivists even adopt this mentality.

Morals and ethics aren't reserved only for religion. It's called natural law, which can be found in every social animal. For a society to function, certain rules need to be followed. For example, the last 6 of the 10 commandments are natural laws all having to do with taking something that belongs to someone else. In the animal kingdom, you see that corvids, just a particular example but you can find it all over the animal kingdom, remember other corvids that steal and assault them. Males of various species assault other males who they suspect are mating or trying to mate with their females. The list goes on.

saying religion is the base for morality doesn't fly when evidence is shown all over the natural world that deviant behavior in a social group is not tolerated. Next are you going to tell me that social animals are religious which is why they follow a social code?

[DreadNaught]

no

ive heard him before, and based on the preview it looks like his typical stuff. like someone said, the movies not gonna make people drop their faith, its for atheists to have a circle jerk and pretend they have all the answers. same for movies like the passion of the christ
No athiest will ever pretend to have all the answers, part of atheism is accepting that you will never know the 'answers' because said answers are just beyond us. We will never understand them because our perception of reality is conditioned only to what we experience and we don't often experience conditions before space-time. So it is impossible for an athiest or a christian to know the truth with complete certainty.

Questions like 'How did it all begin?' can only truely be answered with something along the lines of 'From the evidence we have aquired, we believe blah blah blah <Insert Belief>'. But the Christian view that one day God made the universe doesn't appear to have much evidence except a two thousand year old book...

K.

Unfortunately it's quite hard to explain that to a lot of people and I think that's what this film is about.

[jonyak]

EE;1759899']I was forced into religious schools when I was a child and punished ( time out etc ) for asking questions. The one thing religion doesnt want is questioning because when you question and they cant answer, they get defensive. Religion has no answers, all they have is made up stories to attempt to answer the questions that they themselves cant answer. Religion will never have the answer because its a ancient system for understanding the modern universe and every day it shows its age more and more. Its like religion is fighting a war with science when science has 4th gen stealth aircraft and religion is using Sopwith Camels.


religion needs to man up and go geurilla if it wants to win...

haha.

[Desperado[1G]]

It's just more venomous spittle from Bill Maher

fuck him

[Nafelos]

Bill Maher reminds me of a representative of the local Baptist Church who tried to convince me that Catholics, Muslims, and members of Freemasonry were all going to hell. For all of his self proclaimed "progressiveness", Maher does not seek truth, but rather validation of his own beliefs. Rather like a religious fundamentalist if you ask me...

If he wants to talk about Religion in government, I am right with him as an ardent supporter of the 1st Ammendment. But in doing a movie like this he just reveals how much of a simpleton he is.

[smurran]

This actually looks like an extremely good movie. Hopefully it's not just bashing religions but actually refuting them intelligently and being open to new ideas.

Hopefully it will be another bashfest



Nick Schager of Slant Magazine called it an "atheistic wannabe-dissection of modern faith" and compared it to Ben Stein's Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed in that he considered both films to have "[employed] a similar, debilitating brand of smug disingenuousness, feigning interest in discussion while arrogantly and speciously preaching in the very same manner that their subjects are ridiculed for". H

Have anyone seen Expelled? It sucks major ass

[Skyborn]

Bill Maher is a douche...I don't care what movie he makes...the man looks like a pedophile and creeps me the fuck out.

[[LoD] EE]

Hopefully it will be another bashfest



Nick Schager of Slant Magazine called it an "atheistic wannabe-dissection of modern faith" and compared it to Ben Stein's Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed in that he considered both films to have "[employed] a similar, debilitating brand of smug disingenuousness, feigning interest in discussion while arrogantly and speciously preaching in the very same manner that their subjects are ridiculed for". H

Have anyone seen Expelled? It sucks major ass

I didnt. I liked Ben Stein up to the point I saw the trailer for that movie. I have written him off as a quack.

[Barbarossa]

Bill Maher is a douche...I don't care what movie he makes...the man looks like a pedophile and creeps me the fuck out.

The ages of the females he goes out with aren't much above the legal age required by law, so I'm in agreement with you.

[jonyak]

The ages of the females he goes out with aren't much above the legal age required by law, so I'm in agreement with you.

you wouldn't bang young hot chicks if you could?

[Barbarossa]

you wouldn't bang young hot chicks if you could?

Describe your definition of young...

My definition of it is if they are young enough for you to have possibly fathered, they are too young.

[Aragoni]

Describe your definition of young...

My definition of it is if they are young enough for you to have possibly fathered, they are too young.

w00t? Who wouldn't want an untouched 5-year old?! :eek:
Bastard!

Not serious.

[[LoD] EE]

The ages of the females he goes out with aren't much above the legal age required by law, so I'm in agreement with you.

And the problem is?

The chick I am kinda seeing right now is 18, I am 34. Its all for a good time though :D

[Aragoni]

EE;1760050']And the problem is?

The chick I am kinda seeing right now is 18, I am 34. Its all for a good time though :D

wtf is wrong with you? You're almost twice her age.

[Desperado[1G]]

wtf is wrong with you? You're almost twice her age.

Your beloved vikings married off their 14 year old daughters to 50+ year old suitors ;)

[[LoD] EE]

wtf is wrong with you? You're almost twice her age.

Nothing is wrong with me. I dont plan on marrying her or anything. Just enjoying my new area where I moved to.

[Barbarossa]

EE;1760050']And the problem is?

The chick I am kinda seeing right now is 18, I am 34. Its all for a good time though :D

Seriously though, what kind of maturity level does an 18 year old have when with a 34 year old?

And conversation? Forget it.

"OMG, my makeup just smeared."
"Sure I swallow, how much money you got?"
"My mom likes me to check in if I'm out past midnight"

I'm at an age where intelligent coversation, a challenging mind and no head games are as equally as important as vagina.

But that's just me.

[jonyak]

Describe your definition of young...

My definition of it is if they are young enough for you to have possibly fathered, they are too young.

Legal... is what I meant.

I would go for any hot girl that was legal if I had the chance.

I would not bother me at all if I could have fathered her. yet I have no kids, so it might be different if I did... although I doubt it.

[Aragoni]

;1760060']Your beloved vikings married off their 14 year old daughters to 50+ year old suitors ;)

Indeed they did(?). Today we know better though and should try to get wives close to our own age, at least in my opinion (unless you're 60+ lol)
But meh.. I'm just a fellow forumfaller and thus no one should listen to my advices. :ninja:

EE;1760069']Nothing is wrong with me. I dont plan on marrying her or anything. Just enjoying my new area where I moved to.

Do I dare to ask what your plans with her are then? :ohno:

[[LoD] EE]

Seriously though, what kind of maturity level does an 18 year old have when with a 34 year old?

And conversation? Forget it.

"OMG, my makeup just smeared."
"Sure I swallow, how much money you got?"
"My mom likes me to check in if I'm out past midnight"

I'm at an age where intelligent coversation, a challenging mind and no head games are as equally as important as vagina.

But that's just me.

There is a big difference between sex and conversation. I dont plan on marrying the chick, just having consensual fun with her. If I were to marry, which I really dont think I will, it would be with someone in my age range. I was engaged to someone about 5 years ago and boy am I glad that ended. Bitch turned out to be more of a wack job the closer to the date came.

[Barbarossa]

Legal... is what I meant.

I would go for any hot girl that was legal if I had the chance.

I would not bother me at all if I could have fathered her. yet I have no kids, so it might be different if I did... although I doubt it.


It will bother you, especially if you have a daughter who says "if you ever date or marry someone my age or younger I will totally disown you and I won't call her Mom".

True story and even though I think my kid was just screwing with me, it got me thinking what business would I have with someone 19 years younger than me?

Only answer I came up with was none.

[Skyborn]

EE;1760050']And the problem is?

The chick I am kinda seeing right now is 18, I am 34. Its all for a good time though :D

Enjoy the flexibility, and don't forget the ball gag. I would rather sit in silence than talk to an 18 year old girl.

[[LoD] EE]

Do I dare to ask what your plans with her are then? :ohno:

Have fun.

Last few chicks I dated have been quite a bit younger than me.

This one is 18 and I am 34

Last one was 19 and I was 32

One before that was 21 and I was 30

One before that was 19 and I was 29

One before that was 27 and I was 28

It does help that I look really fucking young. She thought I was at most 24 years old. I sure as hell dont feel 34 at all.

[Barbarossa]

EE;1760109']Have fun.

Last few chicks I dated have been quite a bit younger than me.

This one is 18 and I am 34

Last one was 19 and I was 32

One before that was 21 and I was 30

One before that was 19 and I was 29

One before that was 27 and I was 28

So the older you get the younger your 'dates' get I see.
So when you are 36 you'lll be a pedo then, right? :D

[Killuminati]

EE;1760109']Have fun.

Last few chicks I dated have been quite a bit younger than me.

This one is 18 and I am 34

Last one was 19 and I was 32

One before that was 21 and I was 30

One before that was 19 and I was 29

One before that was 27 and I was 28

It does help that I look really fucking young. She thought I was at most 24 years old. I sure as hell dont feel 34 at all.


So we can assume the next girl will be underage and jailbait.

Nice

[[LoD] EE]

Enjoy the flexibility, and don't forget the ball gag. I would rather sit in silence than talk to an 18 year old girl.

For her age, she is quite intelligent, shes not as dumb as 99% of the people her age.

[[LoD] EE]

So we can assume the next girl will be underage and jailbait.

Nice

Oh hell no.. wont go that far.

[Killuminati]

EE;1760127']Oh hell no.. wont go that far.

you know you can't resist....

[[LoD] EE]

you know you can't resist....

Quite easily. I am far from desperate. Legal age is 17 in Missouri though.

[[Malice]Bronson]

This thread is full of fail.... and failures

[smurran]

Bronson;1760183']This thread is full of fail.... and failures

Direct me to it.

[Goty]

I'm so glad to see the questioning of religion becoming so prevalent. :)

I'll see the film, but I could care less for Bill Mahrer.

[jonyak]

Bronson;1760183']This thread is full of fail.... and failures

thanks for adding to it buddy!!

[Killuminati]

EE;1760166']Quite easily. I am far from desperate. Legal age is 17 in Missouri though.

they are tighter :ninja::ninja:

[Skyborn]

they are tighter :ninja::ninja:

Wouldnt it make more sense to say they get looser as they get older...they don't really get tighter...I mean they are tighter but they start that way...

[Krylas]

But I am fairly uninformed about him, I've seen very little of him and don't know what he's about. Feel free to enlighten me. Biased though? I had no like or dislike of him before I saw that trailer, yet, you call me biased when you actually don't know why I think he's an idiot or know anything about me....

Here's another assumption you can tear me up on if I'm wrong. He seems to be an Athiest. And that's the one belief I struggle to respect because there is just as much scientific evidence that Santa Claus is real as there is to disprove the existence of god. Counter-culture is becoming increasingly known and popular in this country in terms of film and music, I think he's trying to capitalize on that by looking and sounding cute to stroke the respective egos.

I see a middle-eastern man walking down the sidewalk. He's wearing a turban, and carrying a concealed weapon.
By your logic, he is a terrorist?

Here is the interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CWiASiqDdU).
He says that he doesn't have a problem with people with faith, but with people or interpret it literally. "I am simply asking questions they have not been confronted with before". He also says that he sees Atheism as a mirror of blind faith, as both have a stead hold belief in something where there is evidence that the other side may be true. Basically, you could call him an agnostic, but his main point of view is "We don't know".
This is the only interview I could find, some of the quotes I just stated were from the Daily Show interview.

[Crying Hyena]

EE;1760166']Quite easily. I am far from desperate. Legal age is 17 in Missouri though.

You didn't meet her at Buca on the Landing did you?

[Mordhak]

I approve of Krylas' signature.

[[LoD] EE]

You didn't meet her at Buca on the Landing did you?

Never heard of it.

[Crying Hyena]

EE;1760616']Never heard of it.

I guess you don't live in St. Louis.

[Killuminati]

Wouldnt it make more sense to say they get looser as they get older...they don't really get tighter...I mean they are tighter but they start that way...

Can you read?

[tallefred]

I saw the trailer. I think it's going to be the same old stupid bash religion thing. I don't care if you're a theist or atheist, but if you're going to be an idiot about it I don't want to hear from you. Just the name of the movie sounds like he's baiting.

BTW I'm not religious myself, I just hate idiots who have to prove to themselves that they don't believe in god by bashing people who do.

[[LoD] EE]

I saw the trailer. I think it's going to be the same old stupid bash religion thing. I don't care if you're a theist or atheist, but if you're going to be an idiot about it I don't want to hear from you. Just the name of the movie sounds like he's baiting.

BTW I'm not religious myself, I just hate idiots who have to prove to themselves that they don't believe in god by bashing people who do.

You bash Scientology don't you? Its the same made up bullshit just different names. The only difference between Scientology and Christianity is how long its been around and number of members but they are both exactly alike.

THEY ARE MAKE BELIEVE.

Sorry I have to be so blunt but the truth hurts. Wanting it to be real doesn't make it real, no matter how hard you wish and hope for it to be so.

[Skyborn]

Can you read?

Not on Wednesdays

[Kataz]

what if youre wrong?
what if YOURE wrong?

OMG THIS GUY IS A GENIOUS

no wait hes a moron. its gonna have old idiotic atheist jokes that elitists get off on and hes gonna interview a bunch of morons. its one big attempt to make himself look good

more elitist than demanding everyone believes in the same god as you?

[Desperado[1G]]

more elitist than demanding everyone believes in the same god as you?

I have yet to see anyone here demand that you believe in "their god"

The only thing you will find in these forums are hate-filled atheists claiming that anyone believing in a religion is "retarded"

[tallefred]

EE;1760984']You bash Scientology don't you? Its the same made up bullshit just different names. The only difference between Scientology and Christianity is how long its been around and number of members but they are both exactly alike.

THEY ARE MAKE BELIEVE.

Sorry I have to be so blunt but the truth hurts. Wanting it to be real doesn't make it real, no matter how hard you wish and hope for it to be so.

I never said it was real. In fact, I specifically mentioned that I am NOT religious. It just annoys me when people feel they have to justify their not believing in god by putting down someone else's belief. Why can't people just accept that other people have belief systems that are different from their own?

[Morthor]

I'm an atheist, but I don't feel the need to mock theists at every chance I get. People have the right to believe what they want.

The guy seems like a total asshole to me regardless of the fact that he's an atheist.

[Apex Vertigo]

I could had sworn I made this same exact topic a week ago and it died in like 2 pages. What the fux up forumfall? Got something to say?!

[[LoD] EE]

I never said it was real. In fact, I specifically mentioned that I am NOT religious. It just annoys me when people feel they have to justify their not believing in god by putting down someone else's belief. Why can't people just accept that other people have belief systems that are different from their own?

And again I will say.

When it is removed from our government, our money, our laws and it is practiced in your homes, out of the public eye and never brought up at all, like 1950's gay sex.

Until that time, its going to get put down as being just as stupid as an adult believing in the tooth fairy.

( You is not meaning you specifically )

[tallefred]

EE;1761106']And again I will say.

When it is removed from our government, our money, our laws and it is practiced in your homes, out of the public eye and never brought up at all, like 1950's gay sex.

Until that time, its going to get put down as being just as stupid as an adult believing in the tooth fairy.

( You is not meaning you specifically )

I understand why you don't want your money going to a religious institution you aren't a part of. What I don't understand is why you feel the need to put down people simply because they believe in god. They aren't stupid for believing in god, they have a different opinion then you. There isn't any definitive proof of either a god or a lack of a god.

(You is not meaning you specifically, I'm treating you as a representative of the angry atheist community).

[Sivvy]

I never said it was real. In fact, I specifically mentioned that I am NOT religious. It just annoys me when people feel they have to justify their not believing in god by putting down someone else's belief. Why can't people just accept that other people have belief systems that are different from their own?

Because some ppl's belief systems tell them not to accept other ppl's belief systems?

Do I win?

EDIT: I should add that some people are just assholes as well, don't try to understand them, eventually it makes you like them. Trust me...I'm proof...

[Wickfield]

As much as I'd like to see this... Bill Maher is a self-absorbed dickhead.

I'll have to think about it...

[Layedballer]

EE;1759753']I see a lot wrong with religion, like the brain washing of children into the socially accepted cult as one.

As for Christmas, its a pegan holiday not a christian one.

I am not religious, I am anti religious but I celebrate Christmas as a family get together not the made up birthday of a religious figure.

Correction, Christmas was made by the CHURCH to contend with the pagan holiday that fell around Christmas time.
I am atheist, however I do not feel religion should be abolished, at least not yet. I do feel it has absolutely NO place in government and should be abolished from there. But I do feel it gives a lot of people the guidance they require to make it through the day even though according to most of these peoples religions they're going to hell regardless.

[[LoD] EE]

I understand why you don't want your money going to a religious institution you aren't a part of. What I don't understand is why you feel the need to put down people simply because they believe in god. They aren't stupid for believing in god, they have a different opinion then you. There isn't any definitive proof of either a god or a lack of a god.

(You is not meaning you specifically, I'm treating you as a representative of the angry atheist community).

Evidence and facts are not a matter of opinion. A matter of opinion is if Emo music sounds good or if you like Diet coke. Fact is, there is NO EVIDENCE for a supreme being. Fact is, there is evidence supporting evolution being how we got here and not spontaneous creation. When you take all the evidence the weighs in realities favor it would be stupid to believe in a invisible super friend in the sky just like it would be stupid to believe the world is still flat.

When someones asinine belief system is the basis of so many things that have a defining factor in someones life then yes, it simply should not be allowed. There was a time and place for this ancient belief system and that was 2000 years ago, its no longer needed today except as a crutch and control feature for the weak willed and the simple minded.

[Honorius]

Liberal propaganda.

[[LoD] EE]

Correction, Christmas was made by the CHURCH to contend with the pagan holiday that fell around Christmas time.
I am atheist, however I do not feel religion should be abolished, at least not yet. I do feel it has absolutely NO place in government and should be abolished from there. But I do feel it gives a lot of people the guidance they require to make it through the day even though according to most of these peoples religions they're going to hell regardless.

Its based off a Pagan holiday.. you know what I meant. :p

[Damwa]

It is neither here nor there, but the other day I was "musing" at work and this thought struck me, which I would like to share with forumfall.
(Mind you; it might be something from Nietzsche that I have forgotten and which has now come back to haunt me.. )

I am a reasonable and overbearing person myself, but if someone were to do something "unspeakable" to my family (especially my children), I would not only find it hard to forgive, I would think it entirely irresponsible and heartless if I were to do so. How could I fail in my determination to protect those who are dear to me, and then turn to the person who has abused them and say; "If you are truly sorry, I will forgive you."?
The fact that (the Christian) God can find it in his heart to forgive anyone of anything - regardless of how horrendous this thing may be - seems not so much an indication of his love of man, but rather of his utter indifference to mankind.

[Desperado[1G]]

It is neither here nor there, but the other day I was "musing" at work and this thought struck me, which I would like to share with forumfall.
(Mind you; it might be something from Nietzsche that I have forgotten and which has now come back to haunt me.. )

I am a reasonable and overbearing person myself, but if someone were to do something "unspeakable" to my family (especially my children), I would not only find it hard to forgive, I would think it entirely irresponsible and heartless if I were to do so. How could I fail in my determination to protect those who are dear to me, and then turn to the person who has abused them and say; "If you are truly sorry, I will forgive you."?
The fact that (the Christian) God can find it in his heart to forgive anyone of anything - regardless of how horrendous this thing may be - seems not so much an indication of his love of man, but rather of his utter indifference to mankind.

The first mistake you're making is that you are trying to put yourself in his shoes.

While he is forgiving of the repentant, he is wrathful to the unrepentant. There are a number of stories that tell of him smiting some sinful city or man.

[Crying Hyena]

Correction, Christmas was made by the CHURCH to contend with the pagan holiday that fell around Christmas time.
I am atheist, however I do not feel religion should be abolished, at least not yet. I do feel it has absolutely NO place in government and should be abolished from there. But I do feel it gives a lot of people the guidance they require to make it through the day even though according to most of these peoples religions they're going to hell regardless.


The connection between Valentine's Day(Love), Easter(Sex), and Christmas(Birth) still can't be disregarded jut because competing holidays were made. We all still carry out those pagan traditions even if the reason why we are told to celebrate them now has to do with Christianity.

[Layedballer]

The connection between Valentine's Day(Love), Easter(Sex), and Christmas(Birth) still can't be disregarded jut because competing holidays were made. We all still carry out those pagan traditions even if the reason why we are told to celebrate them now has to do with Christianity.

Regardless, Christmas was most likely placed on december 25th to compete with the already popular pagan winter solstice

[Damwa]

;1761730']The first mistake you're making is that you are trying to put yourself in his shoes.

While he is forgiving of the repentant, he is wrathful to the unrepentant. There are a number of stories that tell of him smiting some sinful city or man.

Oh, it is not something I am really that serious about; I know that many different interpretations and angles can be brought in, that would change the picture - I just have personal difficulties understanding how people of faith (before they acquired faith) could actually listen to the "tenets of faith" and think: "Gee, that sounds like a nice Deity, I wont to meet him."
- Think of it like this; you see a dish that looks and smells absolutely disgusting. You meet a person who says; "I have tasted it, and it was the best thing I have ever known."
I can understand that he would want more, since he obviously likes it; I just can't imagine how he could have put it in his mouth the first time..

*Shrugs*

As said; just musing..

[Dhig]

I will see it.
I am atheist but imo religion is needed. Without it we wouldnt have so much war. And withouth the many wars religion started we wouldnt progressed to where we are now. That means without religion we wouldnt have computers. And without computers we wouldnt get Darkfall!!!

So imo religion is just one, means to an end, but in this case there is no end.

[[LoD] EE]

I will see it.
I am atheist but imo religion is needed. Without it we wouldnt have so much war. And withouth the many wars religion started we wouldnt progressed to where we are now. That means without religion we wouldnt have computers. And without computers we wouldnt get Darkfall!!!

So imo religion is just one, means to an end, but in this case there is no end.

I think without wars we would have progressed further than we are now. More people trading ideas instead of destroying them, think about it.

[Krylas]

Here is the interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CWiASiqDdU).
He says that he doesn't have a problem with people with faith, but with people or interpret it literally. "I am simply asking questions they have not been confronted with before". He also says that he sees Atheism as a mirror of blind faith, as both have a stead hold belief in something where there is evidence that the other side may be true. Basically, you could call him an agnostic, but his main point of view is "We don't know".
This is the only interview I could find, some of the quotes I just stated were from the Daily Show interview.

Why does everyone refuse to read my posts? Is it because they know that it makes what they're saying irrelevent?

[PrimalSign]

Why does everyone refuse to read my posts? Is it because they know that it makes what they're saying irrelevent?

Are you honestly surprised?

This is Forumfall, afterall.

[Aragoni]

EE;1762150']I think without wars we would have progressed further than we are now. More people trading ideas instead of destroying them, think about it.

Without wars we wouldn't have tanks, rifles, A-bomb and loads of other goodies. :p

[Krylas]

Are you honestly surprised?

This is Forumfall, afterall.

I'm faking surprise for the purpose of mocking people.

[Dhig]

EE;1762150']I think without wars we would have progressed further than we are now. More people trading ideas instead of destroying them, think about it.

I dont think so. Having the upper hand on others has always been a cause to improve. Without any threats there wouldnt be any progress.
There are other things then religion that caused war aswell, but it is a big part of our history and our progress.

[Layedballer]

EE;1762150']I think without wars we would have progressed further than we are now. More people trading ideas instead of destroying them, think about it.

I would disagree. Internet was developed due to war. Many roads between cities especially in Europe were developed due to war. This is because nations wish to compete if you'd like, to keep the uper hand on each other. Nuclear energy was developed after the A-bomb. The greatest leaps in technology have been during times of war(maybe because there's very short periods of peace)

[Carl Ragadamn]

Regardless, Christmas was most likely placed on december 25th to compete with the already popular pagan winter solstice
Most Christians who know anything about church history would agree with this. Jesus was most probably born in the September October time frame. The early Christian church did not celebrate Jesus's birth due to a strong focus on his death as the significant event.
Why does everyone refuse to read my posts? Is it because they know that it makes what they're saying irrelevent?

It doesnt help that your a tier 3 DBC poster...

[Dhig]

Most Christians who know anything about church history would agree with this. Jesus was most probably born in the September October time frame. The early Christian church did not celebrate Jesus's birth due to a strong focus on his death as the significant event.

Yes I agree that celebrating his death was the right thing to do :ohno:

[Krylas]

It doesnt help that your a tier 3 DBC poster...
Why must you hurt me, Carl?

[nate4449]

I don't get it, was there supposed to be a funny part in the trailer?


Sigh.

[Bratus]

It is neither here nor there, but the other day I was "musing" at work and this thought struck me, which I would like to share with forumfall.
(Mind you; it might be something from Nietzsche that I have forgotten and which has now come back to haunt me.. )

I am a reasonable and overbearing person myself, but if someone were to do something "unspeakable" to my family (especially my children), I would not only find it hard to forgive, I would think it entirely irresponsible and heartless if I were to do so. How could I fail in my determination to protect those who are dear to me, and then turn to the person who has abused them and say; "If you are truly sorry, I will forgive you."?
The fact that (the Christian) God can find it in his heart to forgive anyone of anything - regardless of how horrendous this thing may be - seems not so much an indication of his love of man, but rather of his utter indifference to mankind.

Those are born again Christians and a few others... like watching the movie Saved lol love that movie. Anyway me coming from a conservative Mormon family I would say fry his ass, I'll help you dispose of the body. Though I'm not a very good Mormon as I never go and get trashed every weekend, still I was raised with a heavy emphasis on the Old Testament $$$.

And Maher is an elitiest asshole, like the primal ooze assholes. They wont even reconize that amino acids they found in astroid fragments may have sparked life since the rocks hit the earth bringing the building blocks of life too. No ones right but them O.o

btw those are scientists fighting each other O.o

[Wickfield]

EE;1762150']I think without wars we would have progressed further than we are now. More people trading ideas instead of destroying them, think about it.

Wars are just a fast track to mixing/trading ideas. Without war, ancient civilizations would have simply left each other alone. But with war, you get conquering of peoples, and the combinations of ideals, beliefs, inventions, etc... to create newer and better ideals, beliefs, inventions.

[Gloomrender]

I dunno. It's pretty amazing how many hoops and loops religious scholars go through just to get back at "we don't know how this is possible, so it must fit our assumptions." It's like a game of Mouse Trap.

If intelligence is the mastery of complex ideas - then there are plenty of intelligent religious people. :)

Yes but the religion itself isn't intelligent. They use their intelligence towards trying to rationalize an unintelligent series of notions.

[FermentedLies]

You guys could try not watching retarded movies. Expelled was a good version of the whole religion or not stuff. I liked the one man who said we need to live like free will doesn't exist.

[Gloomrender]

Why does everyone refuse to read my posts? Is it because they know that it makes what they're saying irrelevent?

It's because he's an intolerant, religious bashing, arrogant prick of an asshole, who's trying to assault Christians completely unprovoked with his hatefest movie.

[TubeSock]

It looks awesome. I can't wait to see it.
Not because oh the BAWW RELIGION IS BAD. I just think the people's reactions are priceless.

[Desperado[1G]]

I will see it.
I am atheist but imo religion is needed. Without it we wouldnt have so much war. And withouth the many wars religion started we wouldnt progressed to where we are now. That means without religion we wouldnt have computers. And without computers we wouldnt get Darkfall!!!

So imo religion is just one, means to an end, but in this case there is no end.

Religion isn't what starts wars you clown, it's just been abused as pretext. Mankind would find another excuse to kill each other if religion wasn't around, of that I can guarantee.

[Drizden!]

Bill's problem is that he is too quick to tell you why he thinks religion is bad but doesn't have anything better to offer. If you ask him what he believes it will likely be "I don't know." Its all fine and dandy to criticize other peoples philosophy but if he wants to be taken seriously he should give us his.

[Saturday Saint]

That is the fourth time I have heard Gnarls Barkley today.

[cosimo84]

I see a middle-eastern man walking down the sidewalk. He's wearing a turban, and carrying a concealed weapon.
By your logic, he is a terrorist?

Here is the interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CWiASiqDdU).
He says that he doesn't have a problem with people with faith, but with people or interpret it literally. "I am simply asking questions they have not been confronted with before". He also says that he sees Atheism as a mirror of blind faith, as both have a stead hold belief in something where there is evidence that the other side may be true. Basically, you could call him an agnostic, but his main point of view is "We don't know".
This is the only interview I could find, some of the quotes I just stated were from the Daily Show interview.
By my logic, no I don't think he's a terrorist. By my logic I would consider him as a middle-eastern man walking down the sidewalk, with a turban, and concealed weapon, or w/e. Because I don't have to question the duck's motives to consider it a duck, I'd have to question his motives to consider him a terrorist. It's not as black and white.

Some faiths believe to translate the bible literally.

A true agnostic will believe that "we don't know", but a true agnostic would also not belittle or look down on other people's systems of beliefs because he would respect them as equally viable as his own. No one knows, so who's to say they aren't right...right?

People who don't know what to believe and dislike religion or atheism tend to just call themselves agnostic, but it does take conviction to be a real agnostic.

So, I'd have to say he seems to be an agnostic acting like an atheist.

[Dredread]

Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iUyAppOOU0)
From the looks of the trailer, Bill Maher wins again.
Thoughts?

this thread is full of fail!
SO MUCH FAIL...

FAIL, fail,

FAIL, fail,

FAIL, fail,

FAIL, fail,

You misspelled the title.. IT'S RELIGULOUS not religilous!

http://www.lionsgate.com/religulous/

So everyone of you all can continue on failing, because even the person who uploaded it can't spell (even though the spelling is correct in the trailer).

[Slisk]

I'll probably watch it. Not hard to find freaks and fanatics to poke fun at though and it looks like this is going to be a wierdo heavy misrepresentation of the issue.

[Dirty l3um]

I'll probably watch it. Not hard to find freaks and fanatics to poke fun at though and it looks like this is going to be a wierdo heavy misrepresentation of the issue.

you definately right, its going to be some biased bull. kinds like the windows majave commercials. If they asked me why i hate vista, 10 seconds later they would walk away and find someone who has no idea why vista sucks...

fail

i might watch it just so i will be better at mocking him in the future

[cosimo84]

alright, I'm officially tired of the word fail

[Dirty l3um]

alright, I'm officially tired of the word fail

EPIC fail....lol

[cosimo84]

EPIC fail....lol

yeah that word too

[Dirty l3um]

yeah that word too

yea i just had to be a douchebag. I couldnt resist

[Krylas]

By my logic, no I don't think he's a terrorist. By my logic I would consider him as a middle-eastern man walking down the sidewalk, with a turban, and concealed weapon, or w/e. Because I don't have to question the duck's motives to consider it a duck, I'd have to question his motives to consider him a terrorist. It's not as black and white.

Some faiths believe to translate the bible literally.

A true agnostic will believe that "we don't know", but a true agnostic would also not belittle or look down on other people's systems of beliefs because he would respect them as equally viable as his own. No one knows, so who's to say they aren't right...right?

People who don't know what to believe and dislike religion or atheism tend to just call themselves agnostic, but it does take conviction to be a real agnostic.

So, I'd have to say he seems to be an agnostic acting like an atheist.
Yah, I knew that was a bad argument. I was just hoping you weren't intelligent enough to figure that out.
I'm not going to say anything more about his movie until I see it. Hell, it was produced by the same people who did Fahrenheit 9/11, it can't be all bad. Besides, Maher is a great comedian, so it will at least be funny.
If they made a documentary that was an Atheist and Theist debating for 2 hours, people would be bored. They have to make it entertaining.

[Kietharr]

Bill Maher is a douchebag. Nothing is going to change that. He's like Michael Moore minus a few hundred pounds with an even larger ego to make up for it.

I actually agree with a good chunk of his message, that people who believe in literal interpretations of religious texts are morons, but he just manages to say it in a way that makes me want to accept Jesus Christ as my lord and savior just to spite him.

[Gloomrender]

Bill Maher is a douchebag. Nothing is going to change that. He's like Michael Moore minus a few hundred pounds with an even larger ego to make up for it.

I actually agree with a good chunk of his message, that people who believe in literal interpretations of religious texts are morons, but he just manages to say it in a way that makes me want to accept Jesus Christ as my lord and savior just to spite him.

Grats on getting an advanced viewing of the movie to make your judgment on it.

[Krylas]

Grats on getting an advanced viewing of the movie to make your judgment on it.
It's because he's an intolerant, religious bashing, arrogant prick of an asshole, who's trying to assault Christians completely unprovoked with his hatefest movie.
.

[Gloomrender]

.

:D

[Krylas]

:D

Don't try and smile your way out of this!

[WhySoSerious]

Bill Maher is a douchebag. Nothing is going to change that. He's like Michael Moore minus a few hundred pounds with an even larger ego to make up for it.

I actually agree with a good chunk of his message, that people who believe in literal interpretations of religious texts are morons, but he just manages to say it in a way that makes me want to accept Jesus Christ as my lord and savior just to spite him.


So...you think this guy said it in a way that was too harsh? Think about how religious people tell their kids to believe in god or they will go to hell and burn forever, I think thats a cruel thing to do.

[Gloomrender]

So...you think this guy said it in a way that was too harsh? Think about how religious people tell their kids to believe in god or they will go to hell and burn forever, I think thats a cruel thing to do.

It's worse than that. Christians think anyone who doesn't have share their belief is being remote controlled by satan, and therefore worthy of nothing but hate and mistreatment.

[heroshade]

what if youre wrong?
what if YOURE wrong?

OMG THIS GUY IS A GENIOUS

no wait hes a moron. its gonna have old idiotic atheist jokes that elitists get off on and hes gonna interview a bunch of morons. its one big attempt to make himself look good
No, I think it's a comedy.

[WhySoSerious]

I just found a question on yahoo answers


"Is it wrong for a christian to celebrate halloween?"

And this guy a "top contributer" said

"You know those kids who come around in costumes trick-or-treating? They are actually devils, and each time you give one a candy he traps a bit of your soul. Before you know it, Satan has all of it, and you are consigned to eternity in hell. Even Jesus can't save you because Satan already has your soul in his vault."



I lol'ed.

[ppsh42]

I just found a question on yahoo answers


"Is it wrong for a christian to celebrate halloween?"

And this guy a "top contributer" said

"You know those kids who come around in costumes trick-or-treating? They are actually devils, and each time you give one a candy he traps a bit of your soul. Before you know it, Satan has all of it, and you are consigned to eternity in hell. Even Jesus can't save you because Satan already has your soul in his vault."



I lol'ed.

Wow. That dude failed miserably. Even the most extremist of christians from my parents church wouldn't say things like that. (Unless thats a troll post)

[ppsh42]

It's worse than that. Christians think anyone who doesn't have share their belief is being remote controlled by satan, and therefore worthy of nothing but hate and mistreatment.

It's true that they believe in "whatever isn't from God, is from the Devil", but you can't go on and saying they will hate and mistreat you. They'll certainly look down upon you, but at the same time pray for you soul in these little prayer groups.

[WhySoSerious]

not trolling go look it up

[Darksoul_]

Something must be happening(such as people seeing through religious bull) seeing as how atheism is quickly growing. Besides he makes some good points(why doesn't god just destroy the devil and all evil?) if you can answer that and maintain the all knowing, peacefull, infallible, loving, omnipotent god idealogy then I will bow to you.

1- every soul is immortal
2- god (through saint michael the archangel) already banished satan to hell.
3- maybe evil is a necessity in this world ?

atleast,certain people would see it that way.

[BladeSLicer]

It's worse than that. Christians think anyone who doesn't have share their belief is being remote controlled by satan, and therefore worthy of nothing but hate and mistreatment.

Which christians believe this?

[emasame]

summary of Religilous:
religion is stupid.

[Layedballer]

1- every soul is immortal
2- god (through saint michael the archangel) already banished satan to hell.
3- maybe evil is a necessity in this world ?

atleast,certain people would see it that way.

What purpose does evil serve? Would a god have to test him humans in eden when he already knows the outcome?
Why did he, create his angels so perfect, yet failed miserably when one became evil?
Why did he not forsee this devil arising in the angel and end it? Wouldn't he forsee the angel becoming evil eventually and make him perfect, that is if he really is omnipotent?

Those are real questions by the way. I'd enjoy them being answered

[Dhig]

If I'm at a park with a pond in the middle of it, and see something that looks like a duck and quacks, I'm going to assume it's a duck, but faith has nothing to do with it.


It should be something like this.

I am at a park with a pond in the middle of it, and see something that looks like a duck and quacks.
The other people in the park dont see the duck because in reality there is no duck. I start to convince them that it is real and they just have to believe that there is a duck in the park.

When there are enough of ppl believing that there is a duck in that pond I cant argue about it, they are the majority and they are ofc right :rolleyes:

Religious beliefs and culture will shape your entire life. Depending where you are born will shape your entire life.

Religion is just a big duckpond with a invisible duck in it.

[Crying Hyena]

What purpose does evil serve? Would a god have to test him humans in eden when he already knows the outcome?
Why did he, create his angels so perfect, yet failed miserably when one became evil?
Why did he not forsee this devil arising in the angel and end it? Wouldn't he forsee the angel becoming evil eventually and make him perfect, that is if he really is omnipotent?

Those are real questions by the way. I'd enjoy them being answered

:eek: You just asked the big no no questions.

Which christians believe this?

There are several and I'm not linking Jesus Camp. I got into an argument with a chick where she said Satan was using educated people to disprove the word of God and that what they said about history, evolution, and contradictions is all Satan's work. I just sort of sat there in disbelief at first because I thought she was kidding.

[JF Isher]

I got into an argument with a chick where she said Satan was using educated people to disprove the word of God and that what they said about history, evolution, and contradictions is all Satan's work. I just sort of sat there in disbelief at first because I thought she was kidding.

Satan's tricky! All those smart people think they're so smart, they're just being controlled by satan! It's ok if you don't have a very high IQ or are just generally suck at thinking, because you're God's chosen one and the smart people will spend eternity in hell. Those damn elitists!!!

[Honest Bill]

Satan's tricky! All those smart people think they're so smart, they're just being controlled by satan! It's ok if you don't have a very high IQ or are just generally suck at thinking, because you're God's chosen one and the smart people will spend eternity in hell. Those damn elitists!!!


Well that's a relief

[jonyak]

this one time a kid came up to me when I was downtown.

He flat out asked me where I was going to spend eternity.

Me, thinking he was joking around with me, told him I was going to spend it in his mom.

he was not to pleased about that. turns out he was on a "mission" from his church to hang out downtown and try and convert the kids down there.

awkward silences ensued.

[Haeso]

I don't quite understand...why do you hang out with people that talk about God and Jesus, and they try to convert you? I mean seriously, I don't hang out with guys that brag about how many bitches or drug rings they have going on, while they're trying to get me involved.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of evangelicals, but they do try to convert because they honestly believe they're doing good. Is it right, or wrong? I'd rather them try to convert someone to christianity than pillaging or raping villages...so whatever. There is such a thing as 'no thanks', and you don't have to take offense if someone says your soul will burn in hell if you don't believe X. Yet you 'tear' into someone like that? Come on, THAT's the hypocrisy I see with atheists.

Atheism teaches nothing, it does not (at face value) instill the golden rule, utilitarian beliefs, or even absolute moralism. At some point, atheists have to pick a moral code up from somewhere. Could you imagine a world without a christian or jewish (or even some other long-standing religion) basis of morals? We'd essentially be stuck in tribes. Hell, I don't know much about eastern religions, but even they instill some morals. To sit here and say that 'religion has caused more strife than it has caused good' is an unprovable argument.

I'm going to make a prediction that the next 'holocaust' will involve atheists at the helm. Just you wait and see. As the atheism 'it' crowd starts to teach their kids their trivial moral code based on 'good faith', we will see how it all works out. Remember the first step to tyranny is to remove faith/religion all together, but somehow most collectivists even adopt this mentality.

Is your whole argument athiests and agnostics either have no morals, or would have none without Christianity or Judaism? I'd write more, but it's a waste of time considering how stupid you are.

[Desperado[1G]]

Is your whole argument athiests and agnostics either have no morals, or would have none without Christianity or Judaism? I'd write more, but it's a waste of time considering how stupid you are.

He has a very valid point. Without religion, right and wrong do not exist, because everything is subjective to the flawed eyes of man. What do you base your laws on if not morality? And where do you pull this morality from if not religion?

[Haeso]

;1764121']He has a very valid point. Without religion, right and wrong do not exist, because everything is subjective to the flawed eyes of man. What do you base your laws on if not morality? And where do you pull this morality from if not religion?

As was already said, natural law.

Society existed before religion, and before mankind.

Are you seriously on board with without religion we'd just go around killing and stealing? Or just not have any society at all?

Another poster already explained this as I saw after continuing to read the thread.

Look up how many of the top 10 billionaires graduated from college. That number will surprise most of you.




Morals and ethics aren't reserved only for religion. It's called natural law, which can be found in every social animal. For a society to function, certain rules need to be followed. For example, the last 6 of the 10 commandments are natural laws all having to do with taking something that belongs to someone else. In the animal kingdom, you see that corvids, just a particular example but you can find it all over the animal kingdom, remember other corvids that steal and assault them. Males of various species assault other males who they suspect are mating or trying to mate with their females. The list goes on.

saying religion is the base for morality doesn't fly when evidence is shown all over the natural world that deviant behavior in a social group is not tolerated. Next are you going to tell me that social animals are religious which is why they follow a social code?

[Mungad]

EE;1759750']I might have him confused with someone else then. I could have swore I read that but looking up the info you are right.

Dave Thomas ( WENDYS ) dropped out of high school but yeah, that old fuck was born in the 30's hehe.

Funny that you would bring up Dave Thomas because he was a Christian who credited faith and trust in God for helping him be successful.

[[LoD] EE]

Funny that you would bring up Dave Thomas because he was a Christian who credited faith and trust in God for helping him be successful.

He was the first person who popped up on my google search, he was a hockey fan and made some damned good burgers. I forgave him for some of those flaws that he had. I am sure now he realizes that the emptiness of nothingness wasnt worth the belief system.

[Gloomrender]

It's true that they believe in "whatever isn't from God, is from the Devil", but you can't go on and saying they will hate and mistreat you. They'll certainly look down upon you, but at the same time pray for you soul in these little prayer groups.

I don't buy that. Why would they pray for a lost soul, that they believe is going to hell anyway? That's pointless. If you believe someone is going to hell, it doesn't matter how you treat them, because they're already damned...you have justification to do whatever you want to them. They might as well be less than an animal as far as the Christian is concerned.

This is part of why so many Atheists are so aggressive towards religious beliefs. You talk about how great this and that is, and forget completely about the psychological and social impacts of the belief as whole. The bible justifies the very worst kinds of human behavior.

[Vanno]

While I will likely watch this movie for the hell of it, I'd be more inclined to watch if Dawkins or someone similar were making it. Maher has a tendency to be self-absorped, and his arguments suffer from bias as a result.

[cosimo84]

It should be something like this.

I am at a park with a pond in the middle of it, and see something that looks like a duck and quacks.
The other people in the park dont see the duck because in reality there is no duck. I start to convince them that it is real and they just have to believe that there is a duck in the park.

When there are enough of ppl believing that there is a duck in that pond I cant argue about it, they are the majority and they are ofc right :rolleyes:

Religious beliefs and culture will shape your entire life. Depending where you are born will shape your entire life.

Religion is just a big duckpond with a invisible duck in it.

This is probably why I'm so high strung all the time but...
why are they right?

in my mind they are still wrong(no matter how many of them there are believing it), although quantum physics might have something to say about that....

[Nefastus]

Is Bill Maher infallible or something to you? You sound a lot like him in the "What if you're wrong?" "What if YOU'RE wrong?" sort of way. Not a real argument. I don't understand the point of this movie--unless he's trying to help religion be more peaceful, he's not doing anything at all, because religious people aren't just going to give up faith over a movie that, as far as I can tell, has a belligerent agenda against faith.

Why can't people understand that, once people have formed their world views for themselves, there's very little beyond leading by genuine example that is going to change anything. And Bill Maher is a horrible example. I haven't seen much of his work, I'm only going by this trailer. I guess I should say in this trailer Bill Maher is a horrible example.

Do you know how people form their world views, opinions and beliefs? Based on ongoing self-education and experiences. That's why people learn from the moment they are born until the moment they die. If you decide that you know everything and you refuse to open your mind for new ideas and possibilities, your life ceases to have any point. As conscious beings we progress and evolve through continuous evaluation and study of the world, psychological and philosophical realities. If we don't, we are nothing more than instinct driven animals.

Having absolute faith and certainty into unknown certainly does not help you evolve and progress as a human being since you lock your mind out of other possibilities and concepts.

[tallefred]

:eek: You just asked the big no no questions.



There are several and I'm not linking Jesus Camp. I got into an argument with a chick where she said Satan was using educated people to disprove the word of God and that what they said about history, evolution, and contradictions is all Satan's work. I just sort of sat there in disbelief at first because I thought she was kidding.

Education is the work of the Devil! Flee to the caves, here's your clubs back guys.

[Rahavin]

While I will likely watch this movie for the hell of it, I'd be more inclined to watch if Dawkins or someone similar were making it. Maher has a tendency to be self-absorped, and his arguments suffer from bias as a result.

I saw it last night. Maher was really arrogant in the movie, but he did bring up a few good points and make people generally look like assholes. He even made a senator say "you don't need to pass an IQ test to be in the senate".

It is a good movie if you just want to laugh about religion though.

[Gloomrender]

Which christians believe this?

People like Hyena mentioned...Fundy's, Jesus camp kids, etc etc. Lots and lots of Christians do think this way.

And probably even many people in forumfall. Merrin being one example and my primary inspiration.

[Gloomrender]

I saw it last night. Maher was really arrogant in the movie, but he did bring up a few good points and make people generally look like assholes. He even made a senator say "you don't need to pass an IQ test to be in the senate".

It is a good movie if you just want to laugh about religion though.

That's pretty much the point of it. It's a philosophical comedy...not a fucking debate club on the big screen.

[Rahavin]

That's pretty much the point of it. It's a philosophical comedy...not a fucking debate club on the big screen.

"wat r ur orders?"

"go 2 kill bill maher

lol :)"

[lastpatagonian]

i remember wanting to do stuff with friends and my parents thinking it was stupid. they would always say if everyone in the world jumped off a cliff would you do it too?

my problem with religon is this. all we know about these things are what men have written down and said is the word of god. well people lie, alot.

the jews took other religeons before them and changed it around to center around them and made judaism.

the christians took judaism and changed it as well as adding some more religeons and made cristianity. before them there was no satan, no hell.

in the early days of christianity it was only a small sect of jews. their numbers declining they started bringing non jews into the fold to increase the numbers.

there were many groups of christians all who believed different things. the emperor of rome ordered the groups to get together and decide on one system to believe. and created the first bible. this one group of christians became the roman catholic church.

in creating this bible they took jewish and christian texts they believed best represented what they wanted and banned and destroyed the rest.



now knowing all this i have a really hard time believing anything someone sayes waving a bible in my face and declaring it as the word of god. call me what your will. but if there is a god and i die and stand before him and argue my case. and he or she cant look at me and admit that it is all a bit fucked up then i will gladly burn in hell.

[Nefastus]

This thread lacks of Villun and burning of infidels.