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Shaehl
09-23-2008, 03:25
Are there any countries out there founded on individual and economic freedom? 'Cuz if the shit hits the fan I'm getting the fuck out. What are my options?

Slypieguy
09-23-2008, 03:27
None, you're screwed.

Layedballer
09-23-2008, 03:27
Stop trying to act like you'll move, we all know you won't

Lunaro
09-23-2008, 03:27
Just suicide bomb the president or something.

WhySoSerious
09-23-2008, 03:28
whats wrong with communism? i dont think its THAT bad

Delthayre
09-23-2008, 03:29
Perhaps Switzerland? It isn't a perfect solution, given your conditions, but it's the best that I can think of.


Just suicide bomb the president or something.

Yes, because nothing takes sympathy and power away from an expansive government like supplying a martyr.

Shaehl
09-23-2008, 03:29
Seriously? There's nothing besides socialist cesspools and dictatorships?

Crazy Hermit
09-23-2008, 03:29
you would probably have to go to europe to somewhere like england or something. As an american, im wondering just as much as you as to where id go.

Slypieguy
09-23-2008, 03:29
Stop trying to act like you'll move, we all know you won't

I actually am moving, regardless. If I stay or not is another question.

Shaehl
09-23-2008, 03:30
Stop trying to act like you'll move, we all know you won't

Lol, ty for knowing my behavioral patterns better than myself.

Shaehl
09-23-2008, 03:35
Perhaps Switzerland? It isn't a perfect solution, given your conditions, but it's the best that I can think of.



Yes, because nothing takes sympathy and power away from an expansive government like supplying a martyr.

Isn't Switzerland pretty tight with socialism too?

I seem to remember hearing that Taiwan was fairly freedom oriented, but I might be wrong, and they are right next to China regardless.

Jackhowitzer
09-23-2008, 03:37
You could always move out into the wilderness where no one will find you get an internet connection/a job, or just get rich before that and sit back and relax in your nice big cabin/mansion :P. :lmao::p:D:):rolleyes:;):ninja::idea:

Lioness
09-23-2008, 03:37
Australia?

There are lots of cute animals and guys with hot accents there.

Spart
09-23-2008, 03:38
You could move to Australia, but considering we are America's bitch, I'm going to go ahead and guess you would be moving again in a few years :(

To the person who said communism isn't that bad. Sure, the theory behind it isn't too bad. But it can't work on a country level, as you require a government to keep the country working together, and no government is completely non corrupt.

GRCPan
09-23-2008, 03:39
I dunno about the exact thing you want but they say that the happiest people in the globe are the ones from denmark.

Shaehl
09-23-2008, 03:40
Australia?

There are lots of cute animals and guys with hot accents there.

Lol, Australia isn't much better in the way of bullshit laws and policies.

Marrik
09-23-2008, 03:41
You could move to Australia, but considering we are America's bitch, I'm going to go ahead and guess you would be moving again in a few years :(

To the person who said communism isn't that bad. Sure, the theory behind it isn't too bad. But it can't work on a country level, as you require a government to keep the country working together, and no government is completely non corrupt.

Australia is such an awesome country.


where else in the world can the prime minister go for a swim on a public beach and never be seen again?


or where terrorists can blow up a nuke and have nobody notice until 3 years later?






however, theres lots of seemingly innocuous animals that will fucking kill you.

Layedballer
09-23-2008, 03:41
I actually am moving, regardless. If I stay or not is another question.
I believe you, but not him

Lol, ty for knowing my behavioral patterns better than myself.
You're welcome

Spart
09-23-2008, 03:42
Lol, Australia isn't much better in the way of bullshit laws and policies.

Isn't much better? Are you attempting to suggest Australia has less bullshit laws? Because that, as we all know from the recent Fallout 3 problems, is just downright wrong. Or maybe that's not a bullshit law, and in fact just that people are too fucking retarded to make proper laws over here.

VidarDf
09-23-2008, 03:42
Just suicide bomb the president or something.


lock your doors bro, they are already on their way.

Lioness
09-23-2008, 03:42
Isn't much better? Are you attempting to suggest Australia has less bullshit laws? Because that, as we all know from the recent Fallout 3 problems, is just downright wrong. Or maybe that's not a bullshit law, and in fact just that people are too fucking retarded to make proper laws over here.

I'm pretty sure people are too fucking retarded to make proper laws anywhere...

Shaehl
09-23-2008, 03:44
Isn't much better? Are you attempting to suggest Australia has less bullshit laws? Because that, as we all know from the recent Fallout 3 problems, is just downright wrong. Or maybe that's not a bullshit law, and in fact just that people are too fucking retarded to make proper laws over here.

My saying "not much better" was simply a polite way of saying "it fucking sucks." But you just had to call me out.

Honest Bill
09-23-2008, 03:44
It's simple. Just move to China, they're as capitalist as they come

Shaehl
09-23-2008, 03:46
It's simple. Just move to China, they're as capitalist as they come

They're economic capitalists in all the wrong ways and socially, they're fucking tyrants.

Lioness
09-23-2008, 03:47
They're economic capitalists in all the wrong ways and socially, they're fucking tyrants.

You sound surprised...

Have you ever read up on Chinese history?

Rhambo
09-23-2008, 03:48
New Zealand, Argentina, Chile, Iceland, and maybe? Mongolia

Aesri
09-23-2008, 03:49
As mental as it may seem, there's something to be said for the idea of saying...

"Fuck this rock, chill on the moon."

Slypieguy
09-23-2008, 03:49
Philippines may not have the best laws, but any cop can be bribed and paid off with ease.

And I have heard good things about New Zealand, it's supposedly one of the most business friendly countries. Also, I met Miss New Zealand, so that helped sell me.

rockyraccoon
09-23-2008, 03:51
You sound surprised...

Have you ever read up on Chinese history?

yes many of us have and it's right about time they take their revenge out on the europeans/japanese who fucked up their country.

Shaehl
09-23-2008, 03:53
You sound surprised...

Have you ever read up on Chinese history?

Not surprised at all. And actually, I've taken a few college courses on ancient Chinese history. They actually ran some pretty good shit during a few of their dynasties, but that's no more.

rockyraccoon
09-23-2008, 03:57
Philippines may not have the best laws, but any cop can be bribed and paid off with ease.

And I have heard good things about New Zealand, it's supposedly one of the most business friendly countries. Also, I met Miss New Zealand, so that helped sell me.

and i bet she wasn't too happy with seeing your face looking in her window.

Shaehl
09-23-2008, 03:58
yes many of us have and it's right about time they take their revenge out on the europeans/japanese who fucked up their country.

Lol, they fucked up their own country. Before they went to war with Britain and Europe dived in for a piece of the colony pie, Ming Dynasty China had one of (maybe the) largest empire on the planet.

But that was their problem, their Empire grew too fast and too far and they could not support it with their current technology and agricultural base. They'd had rebellions and were already in decline when Britain tried to open trade with them and that's why they got pwned so easily.

Slypieguy
09-23-2008, 03:58
and i bet she wasn't too happy with seeing your face looking in her window.

Lies, I met her in the bahamas and whisked her up to my suite and we bumped uglies all night. Ok, all that is true except for the whisking and bumping.

Ample
09-23-2008, 04:00
whats wrong with communism? i dont think its THAT bad

gtfo. now.

rockyraccoon
09-23-2008, 04:02
Lies, I met her in the bahamas and whisked her up to my suite and we bumped uglies all night. Ok, all that is true except for the whisking and bumping.

yeah and i bet she wasn't too happy with you sneaking on her balcony either.

Honest Bill
09-23-2008, 04:03
Did you per chance get to have a look at her veranda?

rockyraccoon
09-23-2008, 04:05
yeah and i bet she wasn't too happy with you sneaking on her balcony either.

and by that i mean hotel balcony

Honest Bill
09-23-2008, 04:07
Ummmm ... yeah ... so did i

rockyraccoon
09-23-2008, 04:08
Ummmm ... yeah ... so did i

i couldn't agree more with you.

Slypieguy
09-23-2008, 04:09
and by that i mean hotel balcony

I wish I knew which room she was in. :ninja:

rockyraccoon
09-23-2008, 04:09
I wish I knew which room she was in. :ninja:

and you call yourself a good stalker?

Honest Bill
09-23-2008, 04:11
and you call yourself a good stalker?

A real pro would have planted some tall trees outside years ago, in a pre-emptive strike

rockyraccoon
09-23-2008, 04:12
A real pro would have planted some tall trees outside years ago, in a pre-emptive strike

a real pro would be able to lick her neck and disappear as she turns around.

Honest Bill
09-23-2008, 04:14
a real pro would be able to lick her neck and disappear as she turns around.

And by neck.. do you mean 'balcony' ?

Slypieguy
09-23-2008, 04:14
a real pro would be able to lick her neck and disappear as she turns around.

I got a pic with her, does that count?

Behhemoth
09-23-2008, 04:15
and by that i mean hotel balcony

l2edit plus1er

rockyraccoon
09-23-2008, 04:15
And by neck.. do you mean 'balcony' ?

no i mean that piece of muscle and bones that connects your head to your body. to think your name was bill and your not even smart.

Honest Bill
09-23-2008, 04:15
That would depend on how quickly you can post, said picture

rockyraccoon
09-23-2008, 04:16
l2edit plus1er

yeah but replying to your quote gives you a good excuse for +1.

Lioness
09-23-2008, 04:16
How did we get from commies to licking Miss New Zealand's neck...?

Honest Bill
09-23-2008, 04:16
no i mean that piece of muscle and bones that connects your head to your body. to think your name was bill and your not even smart.

women have those?

rockyraccoon
09-23-2008, 04:19
How did we get from commies to licking Miss New Zealand's neck...?

its the scientific process called forumfalling

Kekshorts
09-23-2008, 04:20
How did we get from commies to licking Miss New Zealand's neck...?
because noone cares if a single disgruntled citizen doesn't like where the country is headed, and its less interesting than licking Miss New Zealand in a variety of places.

Honest Bill
09-23-2008, 04:20
Anyway i suspect that Miss New Zealand is actually a Ewe, in which case licking her neck might be a lot like candy floss

rockyraccoon
09-23-2008, 04:24
Anyway i suspect that Miss New Zealand is actually a Ewe, in which case licking her neck might be a lot like candy floss

althought i got like half of what you said, for some reason i feel an urge to put my hands down my pants and do what they do on the discovery channel but by myself.

Kekshorts
09-23-2008, 04:25
althought i got like half of what you said, for some reason i feel an urge to put my hands down my pants and do what they do on the discovery channel but by myself.
no need to be lonely, please, allow me to join.

Honest Bill
09-23-2008, 04:26
Alright everyone meet on the balcony .... ignore that noise coming from the trees, it's just a cat

rockyraccoon
09-23-2008, 04:28
Alright everyone meet on the balcony .... ignore that noise coming from the trees, it's just a cat

but which balcony on which floor in which hotel? now that is a mystery even Lost fans cannot solve.

Slypieguy
09-23-2008, 04:28
althought i got like half of what you said, for some reason i feel an urge to put my hands down my pants and do what they do on the discovery channel but by myself.


no need to be lonely, please, allow me to join.

Yea, I'm definitely not posting pics of me with miss new zealand now

Honest Bill
09-23-2008, 04:29
but which balcony on which floor in which hotel? now that is a mystery even Lost fans cannot solve.

Bah we'll just make it up as we go along and hope it all comes together in the end .... Wow the Lost analogies are getting spooky

rockyraccoon
09-23-2008, 04:30
Yea, I'm definitely not posting pics of me with miss new zealand now

no need, we can imagine your frail body with an acne covered face and a goateed chin topped off with a thick pair of plastic rims peeping at her.

Slypieguy
09-23-2008, 04:31
no need, we can imagine your frail body with an acne covered face and a goateed chin topped off with a thick pair of plastic rims peeping at her.

fair enough, fap away

rockyraccoon
09-23-2008, 04:33
fair enough, fap away

my penis already fell off thinking about you. good job now i can't fap anymore.

Gloomrender
09-23-2008, 04:35
You could argue that some Euro countries have socialism, in a good way, and therefore could be good alternatives to the US (jumps behind cover).

Drizden!
09-23-2008, 04:37
Are there any countries out there founded on individual and economic freedom? 'Cuz if the shit hits the fan I'm getting the fuck out. What are my options?

Maybe if we could get a biodome built in Antarctica. But seriously, looks like we are screwed, the best shot would be if you could get us all together and move to Texas or whatever and just cede from the union. I would be down with that.

rockyraccoon
09-23-2008, 04:37
You could argue that some Euro countries have socialism, in a good way, and therefore could be good alternatives to the US (jumps behind cover).

fuck stop re-railing this thread. we don't need your kind around here.

ZeaL-
09-23-2008, 04:38
Oh, yes, yes, more irrational fear of changes from unregulated capitalism. God forbid poor people ever get a chance at moving up in society.

Slypieguy
09-23-2008, 04:39
Oh, yes, yes, more irrational fear of changes from unregulated capitalism. God forbid poor people ever get a chance at moving up in society.

Lol, angry class envy guy says same thing in every thread. Go troll the sean hannity forums or something

Drizden!
09-23-2008, 04:40
Oh, yes, yes, more irrational fear of changes from unregulated capitalism. God forbid poor people ever get a chance at moving up in society.

God forbid the poor people getting to keep their own damned tax dollars and moving themselves up in society instead of leaching of the slightly less poor middle class....thieving bastard.

Shaehl
09-23-2008, 04:41
Oh, yes, yes, more irrational fear of changes from unregulated capitalism. God forbid poor people ever get a chance at moving up in society.

Lol Zeal, we haven't had an unregulated economy for something like a century now. But, irrational regulations have been doing great so far right? So good, in fact, that we should add more! ...Right?

rockyraccoon
09-23-2008, 04:42
i think communism is good if they distribute one thing evenly and that's pussy.

Krylas
09-23-2008, 04:45
fair enough, fap away

You mean I have to ask permission every time I jack off?
I've been doing it wrong this whole time.

lastpatagonian
09-23-2008, 04:46
go to amsterdam. if u dont like the government there at least u can legally get high enough not to care, that and the beer is great and the women are gorgeous.

rockyraccoon
09-23-2008, 04:46
You mean I have to ask permission every time I jack off?
I've been doing it wrong this whole time.

at times like these i actually feel happy about creaming myself without even tugging.

Honest Bill
09-23-2008, 04:47
You mean I have to ask permission every time I jack off?
I've been doing it wrong this whole time.

It's ok you can apply for retrospective planning permission.

Gloomrender
09-23-2008, 04:48
go to amsterdam. if u dont like the government there at least u can legally get high enough not to care, that and the beer is great and the women are gorgeous.

See, there are good places in Europe. Let's keep discussing them and the benefits of one country vs another, until we've gone over all of the best candidates. This could be a very productive thread.

Krylas
09-23-2008, 04:48
Lol Zeal, we haven't had an unregulated economy for something like a century now. But, irrational regulations have been doing great so far right? So good, in fact, that we should add more! ...Right?

The "irrational" put even more bias on an already sarcastically rhetoric question, was that really necessary?

rockyraccoon
09-23-2008, 04:49
the best place to run off to is mexico. it has capitalism and it has all the bean burritos you can have.

Shaehl
09-23-2008, 04:50
The "irrational" put even more bias on an already sarcastically rhetoric question, was that really necessary?

Yes, entirely. You will understand when you're older.

Tzacharu
09-23-2008, 04:50
Forumfall should migrate to Antarctica and establish it's own country. We'll call it, Agon, a place of complete freedom.

rockyraccoon
09-23-2008, 04:52
Forumfall should migrate to Antarctica and establish it's own country. We'll call it, Agon, a place of complete freedom.

yeah we'll build our skill points on the penguins.

Krylas
09-23-2008, 04:53
Yes, entirely. You will understand when you're older.

I think I'm old enough to understand the 3rd grade logic you've been using to back up your arguments.

Honest Bill
09-23-2008, 04:54
yeah we'll build our skill points on the penguins.


I call for the freezing temperatures to be nerfed

rockyraccoon
09-23-2008, 04:55
I call for the freezing temperatures to be nerfed

and i call nerfing the penguins. i won't be able to get my purples if their this hard.

lastpatagonian
09-23-2008, 04:58
oh, and everyone in amsterdam takes public transport or rides bikes everywhere. so no high cost of gas worries,or getting arrested for drunk driving. not to mention a 40 oz beer is cheaper than a 2 litre of coke.

Everto
09-23-2008, 05:01
If shit hits the fan, there'll be nowhere to run.

Nobody will want you.

Gloomrender
09-23-2008, 05:01
oh, and everyone in amsterdam takes public transport or rides bikes everywhere. so no high cost of gas worries,or getting arrested for drunk driving. not to mention a 40 oz beer is cheaper than a 2 litre of coke.

What about jobs?

heroshade
09-23-2008, 05:05
Are there any countries out there founded on individual and economic freedom? 'Cuz if the shit hits the fan I'm getting the fuck out. What are my options?

Nowhere. Stay and fight like a man.

ZeaL-
09-23-2008, 05:08
Lol, angry class envy guy says same thing in every thread. Go troll the sean hannity forums or something

You know the same could be said about you right? You say the same thing about how the free-market is a force of good. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make it wrong. I rather not waste my time going to sean hannitys forums when I can talk to palin supporters like you.


God forbid the poor people getting to keep their own damned tax dollars and moving themselves up in society instead of leaching of the slightly less poor middle class....thieving bastard.

The poor don't get taxed that much. Some of them don't even have jobs. Rich people however walk around with millions of dollars and don't pay taxes at all sometimes because of tax loopholes.

Slypieguy
09-23-2008, 05:17
You know the same could be said about you right? You say the same thing about how the free-market is a force of good. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make it wrong. I rather not waste my time going to sean hannitys forums when I can talk to palin supporters like you.


Ohhh, now I'm a Palin supporter too!! The idiot noobs in this forum never cease to amaze me.

hardboiled
09-23-2008, 05:19
Are there any countries out there founded on individual and economic freedom? 'Cuz if the shit hits the fan I'm getting the fuck out. What are my options?

Hong Kong.

greeneggsnoham
09-23-2008, 05:28
Dubai.

No income tax, no sales tax. Good infrastructure, cheap goods and housing, Safest place around (not that it says much), gorgeous beaches, hot russian hookers, everyone you deal with speaks english.

Islamic government, but pretty moderate. Just don't steal anything and you're fine.

Xife
09-23-2008, 05:30
Even if you move out of the states you still have to pay taxes.. I don't know exactly how it works but an American poker player friend of mine has wanted to move, but the only way to get out of paying taxes would be to denounce citizenship... And even then you still have to pay taxes for 10 years.

Altho I'm sure they would never know.

Slypieguy
09-23-2008, 05:32
Even if you move out of the states you still have to pay taxes.. I don't know exactly how it works but an American poker player friend of mine has wanted to move, but the only way to get out of paying taxes would be to denounce citizenship... And even then you still have to pay taxes for 10 years.

Altho I'm sure they would never know.

Move to a country that doesn't allow them to come arrest you for not paying :)

Drizden!
09-23-2008, 05:32
The poor don't get taxed that much. Some of them don't even have jobs. Rich people however walk around with millions of dollars and don't pay taxes at all sometimes because of tax loopholes.

The poor pay sales tax every time they buy food, they pay taxes on the gas they buy, they pay taxes on any property they own. Taxes are the problem, they kill the incentive for anyone to succeed. Why get rich to pay 50% of your income to the government when you can get your basic necessities for free?

Many of the poor on welfare are stuck in the welfare system because even if an opportunity comes along they fear the risk of losing that job and all the welfare benefits. Furthermore the welfare beurocracy has high incentive to keep people poor otherwise they would work themselves out of a job. There are many highly payed ($100k+ a year) beurocrats that run these programs off the backs of people who are struggling at $25k.

As far as the rich being rich good for them. If they fucking earn it then it's theirs and none of you redistributionist assholes have the right to take it. Rich people don't make poor people poor. There is no shortage of dollars and the money supply always increases.

hardboiled
09-23-2008, 05:46
Move to a country that doesn't allow them to come arrest you for not paying :)

Such as China(Hong Kong)?

heroshade
09-23-2008, 05:48
Such as China(Hong Kong)?

Or Yemen?

Akim
09-23-2008, 06:55
you would probably have to go to europe to somewhere like england or something. As an american, im wondering just as much as you as to where id go.

Are you fucking retarded???

He wants LESS socialist and a country founded on FREEDOMS, so you propose ENGLAND???

hahahaha

Lethn
09-23-2008, 06:57
I hate to tell you folks but there's a BIG difference between communism and dictatorship and actually at this point I'd say China has better free markets right now and that's probably why they're going to pwn the fuck out of us.

palo god
09-23-2008, 07:20
whats wrong with communism? i dont think its THAT bad

Yes it is that bad.

Madrandomize
09-23-2008, 07:39
Come to greece,the economy here is crap but at least you will have (hopefully) less ping (if they make a server hosted here) ,or you can bomb the devs if they don't deliver.

Galadourn
09-23-2008, 07:46
Are there any countries out there founded on individual and economic freedom? 'Cuz if the shit hits the fan I'm getting the fuck out. What are my options?

There is no such thing as an organized society based on 'individual and economic freedom'. Economy requires a society, and a society is, by definition, mutually dependent on its members. Your wish negates the reason societies are formed.

It also proves that the faster America goes down, the better the world will become...

Madrandomize
09-23-2008, 07:50
It also proves that the faster America goes down, the better the world will become...
I wonder how many wars will america start if the economy goes kaboom!!!!??!!!

Maybe we should make a poll .

*wears his anti-american flameproof suit*

Akim
09-23-2008, 07:53
Dubai.

No income tax, no sales tax. Good infrastructure, cheap goods and housing, Safest place around (not that it says much), gorgeous beaches, hot russian hookers, everyone you deal with speaks english.

Islamic government, but pretty moderate. Just don't steal anything and you're fine.

Hmm Dubai, a place where you can not even drink alcohol seems like a place founded on individual freedoms.

greeneggsnoham
09-23-2008, 08:21
Hmm Dubai, a place where you can not even drink alcohol seems like a place founded on individual freedoms.

You can drink in Dubai. You can buy alcohol and drink in bars. It's controlled, but if you have a passport you can get it easily.

Behhemoth
09-23-2008, 08:58
yeah but replying to your quote gives you a good excuse for +1.

And then 5 hours later I decided to reply

Vmax
09-23-2008, 10:00
Go to Somalia, last free market on earth

Pcheez
09-23-2008, 10:01
Dubai has changed drastically over the last few years.

1. Fucking expensive, will rival norway shortly.
2. Accomodation is through the roof and rising
3. Traffic is total gridlock 24/7, Inside dubai can take you 3 hours to cross 3 km.
4. Wages are high for the experienced or educated. Both nets you very good income.
5. The poor need not apply.
6. Luxury city, good architecture, poor city planning, parking crisis.
7. Fuel is cheaper than soft drinks.
8. Alcohol is raedily available everytwhere, in bars/night clubs/ hotels as well as many unmarked shops throughout the city. Just a plain door in a small building, you open it and you walk into a massssive alcohol store, legal.
9. Plenty of nightlife everywhere
10. Infested with indians/philippinos/pakistanis/egyptians. If you harbor racial hatred for any of these, stay away, they practically pop out of nowhere around every turn.
11. No import tax on cars, very cheap.




Basically, if you have no experience, no money, and no university degree, stay away from dubai, you will starve. Welfare is nonexistant.

If you can survive in a society where mutual respect between people in public is legally mandatory, freedom of speech is limited, blasphemy is very much illegal, homosexuality is illegal, Drug abuse is SEVERELY punished, among a few other really minor restrictions, dubai is a great place to live and work.

Just never be on the wrong side of the law,a nd you will be fine.

Oh and within the confines of your own home, you are free to do what you wish, you can have orgies as long as you keep the noise down.

I dont live in dubai im in the capital, has some of the pros but only a few of the cons, and its a quiet city.

Vmax
09-23-2008, 10:05
Dubai has changed drastically over the last few years.
.

I heared there be arabs.. :ninja:

Erwanesse
09-23-2008, 10:15
Socialism is awful...
I mean, everybody has health insurance (even poor people :eek:, damn them) in socialism and nobody is really starving, but nobody is superrich as well :ohno:

I like it how American government programmed Americans to think socialism is something really evil and nasty. Kudos to your government. Micheal Moore depicted it really well in "Sicko".
You really don't mind that you have 1 trillion dollar a year budget for weapon industries, while on the other hand most of your brethren have to sell their house and their soul if they get sick...

Scandinavians got it right, IMO. They have a great balance between socialism and capitalism. They are the society of tomorrow and most ideal society of today.

Spart
09-23-2008, 10:20
Socialism is awful...
I mean, everybody has health insurance (even poor people :eek:, damn them) in socialism and nobody is really starving, but nobody is superrich as well :ohno:

I like it how American government programmed Americans to think socialism is something really evil and nasty. Kudos to your government. Micheal Moore depicted it really well in "Sicko".
You really don't mind that you have 1 trillion dollar a year budget for weapon industries, while on the other hand most of your brethren have to sell their house and their soul if they get sick...

Scandinavians got it right, IMO. They have a great balance between socialism and capitalism. They are the society of tomorrow.

Every government system has it's good points. It's just what you prefer. I guess many people here prefer the ability to know that if they are smart, and are willing to put in the effort, they can get ahead of people who aren't willing to put in effort.

Erwanesse
09-23-2008, 10:27
Every government system has it's good points. It's just what you prefer. I guess many people here prefer the ability to know that if they are smart, and are willing to put in the effort, they can get ahead of people who aren't willing to put in effort.

Sure, and that's all fine. But even the middle class which does put an effort can't always have a decent health insurance in America...
You have to have balance. Be successful, get what you deserve, but be a human as well. Why not help those that are less fortunate? You see America got well to much into extreme and as I said you have to have balance... They are overly extreme capitalists.
That's why I said that Scandinavians have ideal society, because they finely balance between capitalism (so smart and hard working people can get ahead) and socialism (there is no starvation and even lower classes have health insurance - everyone has an equal opportunity).

palo god
09-23-2008, 10:30
Sure, and that's all fine. But even the middle class which does put an effort can't always have a decent health insurance in America...
You have to have balance. Be successful, get what you deserve, but be a human as well. Why not help those that are less fortunate? You see America got well to much into extreme and as I said you have to have balance... They are overly extreme capitalists.
That's why I said that Scandinavians have ideal society, because they finely balance between capitalism (so smart and hard working people can get ahead) and socialism (there is no starvation and even lower classes have health insurance - everyone has an equal opportunity).

Why should I be forced into helping people that refuse to help themselves? fuck socialism.

A socialist is an enemy to every free man,woman and child.

Spart
09-23-2008, 10:32
Sure, and that's all fine. But even the middle class which does put an effort can't always have a decent health insurance in America...
You have to have balance. Be successful, get what you deserve, but be a human as well. Why not help those that are less fortunate? You see America got well to much into extreme and as I said you have to have balance... They are overly extreme capitalists.
That's why I said that Scandinavians have ideal society, because they finely balance between capitalism (so smart and hard working people can get ahead) and socialism (there is no starvation and even lower classes have health insurance).

Balance isn't necessarily the best possible thing. That brings along major problems too, such as neither system having as much power as it should. The smart hard working people don't get as much out of their efforts as they should, and then they have to support others as well, thus reducing their efforts even more, which makes them hate the entire system.

No, I believe that it would be better for everyone if governments wouldn't attempt to please everyone by trying to be everything. That way, people could choose to move to a different country to have the government style that they would like.

Erwanesse
09-23-2008, 10:41
Balance isn't necessarily the best possible thing. That brings along major problems too, such as neither system having as much power as it should. The smart hard working people don't get as much out of their efforts as they should, and then they have to support others as well, thus reducing their efforts even more, which makes them hate the entire system.

No, I believe that it would be better for everyone if governments wouldn't attempt to please everyone by trying to be everything. That way, people could choose to move to a different country to have the government style that they would like.

But you see great thing about Scandinavians (I'm not one btw, but have lived in Sweden for a while) is that they all try to succeed, because they are look down upon if they aren't highly educated... So there are not many of those that need supporting and yet they who do need support are supported and thus prevented in doing crimes and shit. Everyone's happy. I am not aware of better society than theirs and thus I conclude that there is something in balance after all.

palo god
09-23-2008, 10:43
But you see great thing about Scandinavians (I'm not one btw, but have lived in Sweden for a while) is that they all try to succeed, because they are look down upon if they aren't highly educated... So there are not many of those that need supporting and yet they who do need support are supported and thus prevented in doing crimes and shit. Everyone's happy.

I wouldn't be happy if the government stole my money and gave it to bums that refuse to help themselves.

Erwanesse
09-23-2008, 10:47
I wouldn't be happy if the government stole my money and gave it to bums that refuse to help themselves.

Yes but what if by some misfortune, some sleight of ill faith you became a bum as you eloquently said... Wouldn't you like some help? Wouldn't you rather live in a humane society, than in the one that discards less fortunate just because "they refuse to help themselves"... Even if that means that you can't have 3 fancy beach-houses, but only one or two of them :ohno: ?

You're an American, right? So wouldn't you like that each and every one of your countrymen has an adequate social and health insurance? Even if that means that, well, just a little bit (and I do mean just a little) of your own luxury is cut?

palo god
09-23-2008, 10:58
Yes but what if by some misfortune, some sleight of ill faith you became a bum as you eloquently said... Wouldn't you like some help? Wouldn't you rather live in a humane society, than in the one that discards less fortunate just because "they refuse to help themselves"... Even if that means that you can't have 3 fancy beach-houses, but only one or two of them :ohno: ?

You're an American, right? So wouldn't you like that each and every one of your countrymen has an adequate social and health insurance? Even if that means that, well, just a little bit (and I do mean just a little) of your own luxury is cut?

No if it meant that my fellow country men had to forced into it, I prefer freedom over socialism. Just because I'm not forced into helping someone doesn't mean I wont help them, I personally give up my own time in community service to my local food bank, also in socialism it Isn't just a "little" of my "luxury" that is cut but 50+%, again fuck socialism.

Erwanesse
09-23-2008, 11:13
No if it meant that my fellow country men had to forced into it, I prefer freedom over socialism.

You think you're free? :lmao::lmao::lmao:

Helgeran
09-23-2008, 11:16
With everyone moving out if the "wrong" party wins, wouldn't a two changes in office in practice empty america?

palo god
09-23-2008, 11:41
You think you're free? :lmao::lmao::lmao:

yes, I am free, last time I checked I wasn't a slave.

Desperado[1G]
09-23-2008, 11:47
I'm still waiting for alec baldwin to make good on his threat and move to france

It's been 8 years, but I'm keeping the hope alive

Barbarossa
09-23-2008, 12:11
Australia?

At least the Prime Minister there isn't afraid to tell people to GTFO if they don't like it there.

At least that's what I heard...

Scully
09-23-2008, 12:13
Norway is bad. Don't come here. NOBODY come here.

pyrow
09-23-2008, 12:17
i loled at the first 3-4 replies

but ya id say canada
thats the easiest and probably best, unless you want MEXICO LOLZ
but ya, if u can fly, how about holland, or some place like canada that has never fought a war in their whole existance

Vanno
09-23-2008, 12:39
not to mention a 40 oz beer is cheaper than a 2 litre of coke.

What type of beer?

losinglife
09-23-2008, 12:55
Norway is bad. Don't come here. NOBODY come here.

be there in 5....4.....3....

Lictor
09-23-2008, 13:15
I cannot but recommend the place I live. It's on the whole a good place: beautiful women, good beer and cuisine, good country and heartfelt people. Ok, EU might be a bit too socialistish (it can have its bonuses, though) and we've got clowns for politicians, but who doesn't? And - as a matter of fact - it really has no impact on life of a common citizen, where we get to the question:

Why you wanna move from USA in the first place? The coming elections are not going to change anything. The system you have now (for good or bad) can be changed only by some kind of (violent/non-violent) revolution. It is there for more than half of the century, and it's gonna to last, unless majority of Americans will change their mind or American minorities changing to majority will change the mind for them ;).

So don't worry, McCain wins, and everything stays the same.

alfaroverall
09-23-2008, 13:17
There's Somalia, which is anarchical. Other than that, you're pretty much fucked I'd say; the vast majority of what used to be "the free world" is now quite a ways over to the left. That doesn't necessarily mean these governments are bad or that they suppress individual freedom, just that they lean to the left, just as America's government has just proven that it does.

My suggestion (which a lot of people have already read in other threads, so go ahead and skip it if you like): cut yourself off from the entire world economy. Buy a plot of forested land. Get loggers to cut the trees down; if you let them take them, it'll be close to free if not actually free. Build a small house. Get solar panels to power lights and heat (preferably be in a climate where it doesn't get obscenely hot because AC is probably not a possibility in this situation). Get seeds, farming tools, and livestock. Gather up things that you'll need over time, like paper, and also gather up reading material. Start up a subsistence lifestyle. No longer will you be under the sway of the rest of the world; you'll be "your own man" so to speak.

Nice sig and name combination, Lictor. The fasces is an especially nice touch.

Regarding socialism in America: IMO as long as access to tertiary education for those who want it is available to every individual, no one should fail unless it's their own fault. If you have access to tertiary education and can get through it (i.e. can work hard and not be an idiot) you can be in the middle class. Being below the middle class is your fault in this country, imo, because pretty much anyone can get tertiary education if they want it because if your family can't pay, then the government will pay (or loan you money so that you can pay when you have a higher income). Maybe I'm biased since I'm in college right now, but that's what I think.

Yea, I'm definitely not posting pics of me with miss new zealand now
I lol'd IRL.

Lictor
09-23-2008, 13:29
Nice sig and name combination, Lictor. The fasces is an especially nice touch.

Thanks. First one to figure it out, and not shouting buttplug instead! :lmao:

It might seem like asskissing back in this circumstance, but it's not ;): I consider your "be your own man" philosophy very compelling and believe it to be the answer to many frustrations and perplexities of today western people. I would actually do it, weren't the Darkfall! :rolleyes:

Ziegler
09-23-2008, 14:03
Montana....or the Appalchian mountains (Ky and Tn)...there's enough of us inbred rednecks left that we might be able to hold off til we can kill all the politicians.

As for bombing the president...that's stuipd...bomb congress instead.

fRdz
09-23-2008, 14:16
Moving from a capitalist country to a socialist country if you are a normal working person the differences will be MINOR

The only thing you would do is pay more taxes probably, and since the government is twice as efficent as your own you would probably see some of that money spendt on I don't know, something beneficial?

jonyak
09-23-2008, 14:27
yes, I am free, last time I checked I wasn't a slave.

are you sure about that?

do you work?

we all serve somebody.

Pcheez
09-23-2008, 14:34
I heared there be arabs.. :ninja:

Yeah,

Your chances of encountering an arab here are 1 in 20.

Im really not kidding.

holychicken
09-23-2008, 14:36
are you sure about that?

do you work?

we all serve somebody.
What does that have to do with slavery?

Pcheez
09-23-2008, 14:40
are you sure about that?

do you work?

we all serve somebody.

I only serve 1 person, and thats to inherit his fortune when he dies, probably soon, he smokes more than i do.

If bashing him with snarky comments and passing on all the work he gives to me down to my minions is serving that is.

greeneggsnoham
09-23-2008, 14:45
If you can survive in a society where mutual respect between people in public is legally mandatory, freedom of speech is limited, blasphemy is very much illegal, homosexuality is illegal, Drug abuse is SEVERELY punished, among a few other really minor restrictions, dubai is a great place to live and work.

Just never be on the wrong side of the law,a nd you will be fine.

Oh and within the confines of your own home, you are free to do what you wish, you can have orgies as long as you keep the noise down.

I dont live in dubai im in the capital, has some of the pros but only a few of the cons, and its a quiet city.

Thanks for the update. I was there about 10 years ago, and it sounds like things have changed a lot.

You're in Abu Dhabi? that's where I lived for about 2 years. Boring as shit, but if you like the quiet life it's a great place.

Unfortunately I was 25 at the time, and so it was torture for me. Liquor rules are tighter there, and there aint exactly a lot of women around...

jdog667jkt
09-23-2008, 14:47
Are there any countries out there founded on individual and economic freedom? 'Cuz if the shit hits the fan I'm getting the fuck out. What are my options?

come on down to Indonesia with me...
there's an island called Bali that is a freakin paradise... bars, clubs, beatiful forests and temples..
pretty much the best place on earth

Pcheez
09-23-2008, 15:01
Thanks for the update. I was there about 10 years ago, and it sounds like things have changed a lot.

You're in Abu Dhabi? that's where I lived for about 2 years. Boring as shit, but if you like the quiet life it's a great place.

Unfortunately I was 25 at the time, and so it was torture for me. Liquor rules are tighter there, and there aint exactly a lot of women around...

Yar i be in the abu.

Its changed a lot too.

All for the bad moneywise, i pay 40,000 USD/year for a 2 bedroom apartment thats about 70 sqm. Its not in an over the top luxury building either. Was 20,000 for the same type of apartment last year, maybe 10k the year before. Real estate is on crack and still on the rise. Expat salary packages are crap unless you hold a uni degree and some xp under your belt.

Real estate is really bad, atm if i leave my apartment, it will be rented out for 70,000 USD/year. Laborers pay like 400$/month for 8 hours on a bed in a 12 person room. Yeah, 4 people share the bed around the clock, each pay 400$ a month, 12 people in a room.

The cheapest a well paid bachelor can get now would be a studio in a villa for about 30,000USD a year.

The even worse part, you cannot find accomodation. A lot of the major agents will sometimes say "ummm, we kinda dont have any atm".


Rule wise, its much laxer. Liquor shops every 200m, not marked, but lots of booze inside. African Eastern went to shit, Spinneys now sells alcohol too, Grey Mckenzie is thriving. License to buy liquor is a thing of the past. The only downside of not having one is you dont get a receipt. The 10% of your income in alcohol rule is gone too, you can walk out with 20 crates of whiskey if youw ant. Its cheaper now too.

As for women, legit women all come here married or with someone so its hard.

Prostitutes SWARMING the streets and bars/night clubs tho, quite openly.

Its changed, a lot. Not as fun as Dubai, but much better than 10 years ago.

Traffic is reasonable though.

Still, i prefer abu dhabi to dubai, dubai is nice for a weekend visit and to blow 500$ in a night, thats about it.

alfaroverall
09-23-2008, 15:33
are you sure about that?

do you work?

we all serve somebody.
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=sqxW6E24Jh8

He said it better.

Erkki
09-23-2008, 15:47
get this through your thick skulls americans, YOUR NOT WELCOME ANYWHERE

Fro
09-23-2008, 15:49
Are there any countries out there founded on individual and economic freedom? 'Cuz if the shit hits the fan I'm getting the fuck out. What are my options?

Stand and fight pussy.

Fro
09-23-2008, 15:49
get this through your thick skulls americans, YOUR NOT WELCOME ANYWHERE

QFT
/thread.

Ziegler
09-23-2008, 15:52
get this through your thick skulls americans, YOU'RE NOT WELCOME ANYWHERE

That's fine by me...as far as I am concerned...nobody is welcome here in America either. Corrected your usage of your as well for ya...cause I am an holier than thou american. :sly:

jonyak
09-23-2008, 15:54
I only serve 1 person, and thats to inherit his fortune when he dies, probably soon, he smokes more than i do.

If bashing him with snarky comments and passing on all the work he gives to me down to my minions is serving that is.

do you work??

jonyak
09-23-2008, 15:55
What does that have to do with slavery?

it has everything to do with slavery. if you are to stupid to see that then you are already a slave.

Pcheez
09-24-2008, 15:09
do you work??

/necro

Work and forumfall are all i do in life.

Its sad but true.

Weeking
09-24-2008, 15:32
Are there any countries out there founded on individual and economic freedom? 'Cuz if the shit hits the fan I'm getting the fuck out. What are my options?

No.
Make one yourself. Just get like 200k like minded individuals and move to Iceland or Greenland or something and take democratic control once you get the right to vote.

Lethn
09-24-2008, 15:33
get this through your thick skulls americans, YOUR NOT WELCOME ANYWHERE

Unless your a kinky big breasted cheerleader? :p

Baldr
09-24-2008, 15:35
Are there any countries out there founded on individual and economic freedom? 'Cuz if the shit hits the fan I'm getting the fuck out. What are my options?

Erm... Canada? Nice crisp clear weather and beer.

alfaroverall
09-24-2008, 15:36
No.
Make one yourself. Just get like 200k like minded individuals and move to Iceland or Greenland or something and take democratic control once you get the right to vote.
You realize that Greenland is technically still owned by Denmark (meaning that the extent to which its policies can change is regulated by Denmark, at least in theory) and that Iceland has 300k+ people, right?

Now, if you had 500k people, you could do it on Iceland, but then it would be crowded, and that would be lame.

jonyak
09-24-2008, 15:39
/necro

Work and forumfall are all i do in life.

Its sad but true.

then you are a slave.

even if he doesn't say it outright, your boss gives you more or else commands in one day then the gov't does in a year.

Weeking
09-24-2008, 15:44
You realize that Greenland is technically still owned by Denmark (meaning that the extent to which its policies can change is regulated by Denmark, at least in theory) and that Iceland has 300k+ people, right?

Now, if you had 500k people, you could do it on Iceland, but then it would be crowded, and that would be lame.

The Danish bastards are planning on releasing it although they should give it back to Norway IMO if they don't want it.

Iceland had 200k something when I last checked from 20 year old facts or something, but not all of those can vote or will vote. If people immigrated for the purpose of voting, you'd expect near 100% voter turnout and also the opposition would be divided so you don't need 50% of the votes.

trichlor
09-24-2008, 16:42
Erm... Canada? Nice crisp clear weather and beer.

We're pretty much joined at the hip. I can't see Canada not being seriously affected by whatever happens down south.

Dwhap
09-24-2008, 17:30
whats wrong with communism? i dont think its THAT bad


You must be poor and uneducated then.

Dwhap
09-24-2008, 17:34
you would probably have to go to europe to somewhere like england or something. As an american, im wondering just as much as you as to where id go.

You're best bet is buy yourself a little piece of land in Alaska (Land is CHEAP so you're money will go a long way). Taxes are low, There are fewer laws then just about any other state, and they barely enforce the laws they do have. To sum it up, the State government stays out of your business.

PaleOne
09-24-2008, 17:47
I think its time to buy a large cruising sailboat and become a perpetual tourist..

if only satellite internet was good for gaming..

Galt's gulch anyone?

Dwhap
09-24-2008, 17:54
I think its time to buy a large cruising sailboat and become a perpetual tourist..

if only satellite internet was good for gaming..

Galt's gulch anyone?


Yea I like that idea too (If I had a big enough boat). Since you would be living the majority of your life in International waters - away from the influence any governments, you are going to need some means to defend you're self against pirates and the foreign navy's and coast guards..

trichlor
09-24-2008, 17:55
So America Goes Commie, Where do I move?

To your local FEMA camp.

Nani
09-24-2008, 17:56
Go for some west european country like France, Netherlands, Belgium, Britain, or Switzerland. Maybe some other countries like Australia and Candada. Pretty much any other country is socialist or below the poverty line.

EDIT: Luxembourg is real nice to live in aswell.

Killuminati
09-24-2008, 18:16
Switzerland is the only good one in Europe.

Hecubis
09-24-2008, 19:56
Hong Kong.

I'm dead serious. Hong Kong, despite being a part of communist China now, still has the highest rating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom#Ratings) on the Index of Economic Freedom. China owns the crown jewel of capitalism, and I guess after seeing how well it works, they decided not to fuck with it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_country,_two_systems#Hong_Kong_and_M acau) until at least 2047.

Pcheez
09-24-2008, 20:02
then you are a slave.

even if he doesn't say it outright, your boss gives you more or else commands in one day then the gov't does in a year.

For the pay/perks i get and a few million in assets when he kicks the bucket ? k ill be labelled a slave.

GeneralLeo
09-24-2008, 20:18
As an educated and working man armed with great wisdom i must speak out on this issue. Communism does not work, it has been done before and has always failed. Once you eliminate the reward and will for people to work, your economy collapses.

So now i must ask, once America leaves its capatlist ways and goes under, where else can we go ? Is their any other countries that are capatalists ? I will leave America with no problem if the majority of its people want to become commie. The beauty of America is the fact we are free, we are free to pay and pick our own health care, we are free from outside governments, and used to be free from over bearing big government regulations. This is all coming to an end now, and for those of you who think Obama or Mcain can fix this issue needs to open their eyes. Obama will speed us up faster into communism since the house and senate are ran by Democrats, Mcain is liberal too but just not as bad. So both canidates are going to take us into commie land.

I have always voted 3rd party so my voice could be heard. People say "you are throwing away your vote" well actually im not, i am one of the 10% of Americans that remain standing. I will do my job as an American and vote 3rd party so my voice is heard, once the country goes commie then i will leave. Unless America has a new revolution to physically over throw the government then i would gladly bear arms and fight. (soon they will take away our freedom to bear arms too, like other countries) They are trying to ban health supplements and tax certain foods, they are making it a law to regulate anything they can. The best way for America to be is a "grid-locked" administration. Example: Republican president and a Democrat house and senate, or Democrat president with Republican house and senate. This way no president has full power over YOUR MONEY. For the stupid Americans who do not understand this concept, you may PM me and i will try to explain it to you in further detail. Or if you have questions on how the economy works i can explain that for you as well. And NO high taxes does not make the economy grow, and taxing Americas rich by up to 70% does not help either.
So my question: Is their any other countries that are capatlist ? I wanted to ask here before i do my own search. I gotta go for now ill be back later.

P.S. Either way whatever happens in this world, playing this great game amongst you all will give me some great fun.

Yobaj
09-24-2008, 21:35
You could move to Australia, but considering we are America's bitch, I'm going to go ahead and guess you would be moving again in a few years :(

To the person who said communism isn't that bad. Sure, the theory behind it isn't too bad. But it can't work on a country level, as you require a government to keep the country working together, and no government is completely non corrupt.
Sweden, second most socialist country in Europe, has the lowest rates of corruption :)

Layedballer
09-24-2008, 21:38
You must be poor and uneducated then.

Communism works wonderfully on paper. It only fails when you insert one ingredient...People