Summarising awareness of racism

[Villa]

Read the following statement and then pause for a few seconds to reflect upon it.
Be certain that you understand it before replying.

Racism did not become an issue for most Americans until it started affecting white people recently.

You may substitute any other western or 1st world country for 'America' if appropriate to your surroundings.

Observations please.

[alfaroverall]

Abolition movement in the mid-1800s, anyone?

Also, seriously, it's gotten old Villa. Get some new material. Maybe roll a new account so we won't be biased towards thinking you're trolling even when you're not.

[palo god]

Read the following statement and then pause for a few seconds to reflect upon it.
Be certain that you understand it before replying.

Racism did not become an issue for most Americans until it started affecting white people recently.

You may substitute any other western or 1st world country for 'America' if appropriate to your surroundings.

Observations please.

Enough with the racist threads villa they arent funny anymore.

[Scully]

What is your definition of "racism"?

[Villa]

This isn't a troll.

[Shaehl]

Wtf are you talking about? I can't even tell what your argument is. Racism didn't concern Americans till it started affecting white people recently? What is "recently"? This decade? This century? And how do you define "issue"? As far as I know racism has been a hot topic since the fucking conception of the constitution.

Be more specific.

[ZeaL-]

A lot of people on these forums have pretty racist tendencies. Like for example hating the poor and needy.

[Baralis]

In my observations most things labeled racism is in fact not racism. A lot of the time minorities make a "racist" issue out of things that have nothing to do with racism.

Here is a recent example...

I am staff on a UO server and I recieve a page from a black man. He says you need to rename barracoon ( a spawn created by EA years ago ). When I asked why he says "Because people call it [coon] and I find that offensive, its racist."


In all my years I have never once heard of barracoon being refered to a black person yet this person wanted to make an issue of it for no reason at all other then he could.
This is just and example of how minorities will often make things become a racial issue when it never was before.

[Villa]

One way to look at it is that you don't truly appreciate something until it impacts you directly.

Thusly, it could be said that a lot of white people are oblivious to racism until they run into so called 'reverse racism' for example. At which stage they start screaming about blacks being racist.

[Shaehl]

A lot of people on these forums have pretty racist tendencies. Like for example hating the poor and needy.

Rofl, get a dictionary newb. Poor people aren't a race. Unless you are suggesting that all minorities are poor and needy. Which would be racism. Irony.

[ZeaL-]

Rofl, get a dictionary newb. Poor people aren't a race. Unless you are suggesting that all minorities are poor and needy. Which would be racism. Irony.

You can't deny the fact that a lot of minorities are poor. Its the reason why a lot of people here seem so hostile towards welfare. I suspect it also has to do with hating someone because of the color of their skin.

[Pcheez]

Lol, coons.

People read too much between the lines, or in that example, at the end of a word.

[Pcheez]

You can't deny the fact that a lot of minorities are poor. Its the reason why a lot of people here seem so hostile towards welfare. I suspect it also has to do with hating someone because of the color of their skin.

Its your fault your are poor.

Minorities tend to be lazy and expect something for nothing.

Bam, there you go, make poor a race if you want, still wont change the fact that its accurate racism.

[Baralis]

One way to look at it is that you don't truly appreciate something until it impacts you directly.

Thusly, it could be said that a lot of white people are oblivious to racism until they run into so called 'reverse racism' for example. At which stage they start screaming about blacks being racist.

I have lived in two places where I was treated poorly because I was "White". I have lived in Mississippi with a black/white ratio of about 90/10. I was often picked on because I was white (only one of 3 white kids in my grade).

I also lived in Arizona that had a high population of native americans where I was also subject to poor treatment due to being white.

The difference is I dont go crying for my mommy when someone treats me differently due to me being white. If they want to treat me poorly without getting to know me its as much their lose as mine.

[Shaehl]

One way to look at it is that you don't truly appreciate something until it impacts you directly.

Thusly, it could be said that a lot of white people are oblivious to racism until they run into so called 'reverse racism' for example. At which stage they start screaming about blacks being racist.

It's impossible to NOT be aware of racism in this society.

The media and the liberal high-horse cavalry drive into your head from birth that black people and other minorities can't do shit on their own, and that white people have to treat them like short-tempered, mentally retarded children.

[Shaehl]

You can't deny the fact that a lot of minorities are poor. Its the reason why a lot of people here seem so hostile towards welfare. I suspect it also has to do with hating someone because of the color of their skin.

Thanks for proving my point. You are fucking racist. You are saying that not caring about poor people is racism. Which means you think minorities are all poor.

[Dirty l3um]

It's impossible to NOT be aware of racism in this society.

The media and the liberal high-horse cavalry drive into your head from birth that black people and other minorities can't do shit on their own, and that white people have to treat them like short-tempered, mentally retarded children.

i lol'ed at that...

the fact of the matter is, if you act like a douchebag expect to be treated like such. Where i live, the only time you see black people they are either blaring their rap music or they are speaking *some* form of english that is not easy to understand. its hard not to have a prejudice against a group of people when 9/10 of them (that you see) fit the stereotype...

on the other hand, when a black person talks to me, if they enunciate, as in i can understand them, and their not inconsiderate, then i will not categorize them in the same group as the others.

[palo god]

A lot of people on these forums have pretty racist tendencies. Like for example hating the poor and needy.

Screw you beta noob.

[Tireth]

A lot of people on these forums have pretty racist tendencies. Like for example hating the poor and needy.

How is this racism?

Villa, what is with all these racism threads?

Racism is not a valid or existent philosophy, it's entirely manufactured. I was one of the last posters on your other thread if you'd care to read it.

What some may call racism never existed before extreme-globalization, and the resulting creeds of the elitists manifested themselves in the form of multiculturalism and political correctness. When people are not allowed to retain their sense of self and have limits imposed on their speech, even going as far as to what they can and cannot think - they get angry, concerned, worried and they fight back.

When one is not permitted to express their own conscience, be able to remain distinct as a people, ethnocentric tendencies and people-interests will result - and this happens with all peoples without exception. Every people has a right to exist on this earth, with protection over their culture and unique mode of life (as stated by international law) - Presently in the West, we don't have the right to this, big business and private interests control our lives, our governments serve not us, but vested interests. Globalization continues, the west falls today - the world, if they are equally as foolish (I hope not)- tomorrow.

Racism, the fraudulent philosophy of the powerful. They invented it, they divide and conquer.. The common folk of the races believe they are at war against each other because they have been told of “racism“.. Multiculturalism also aids this feeling as it creates strife and undermines the nation state.. Think, what else do these elitists invent.. look at all the wars they wage, the industries they dominate, the assets are all in their hands - and apparently all the “popular ideas” too. They have control of the mind. In reality the all-powerful have trained us to hate each other, and forced us to live in societies that promote cultural competition. In this society, cultures will fall so others survive. And the masses will call this form of society “good” and believe everything they are told. The result is a mess, and of course ultimately, inflicts immeasurable suffering.

[Mordare]

Read the following statement and then pause for a few seconds to reflect upon it.
Be certain that you understand it before replying.

Racism did not become an issue for most Americans until it started affecting white people recently.

You may substitute any other western or 1st world country for 'America' if appropriate to your surroundings.

Observations please.

The original english colony in America experienced racism from the day they landed.

Granted, the native people had a very good reason to be hostile towards them, but they still viewed them as inferior - which is racism.

Try again

[Tireth]

Screw you beta noob.

Nice sig pic palo lol. Damn it's true.

[Youknowho]

Read the following statement and then pause for a few seconds to reflect upon it.
Be certain that you understand it before replying.

Racism did not become an issue for most Americans until it started affecting white people recently.

You may substitute any other western or 1st world country for 'America' if appropriate to your surroundings.

Observations please.

Is this like your 50th post about racism?.... You realize that making accusations such as that only make racism worsen and cause people to think in terms of race.

I think we should all just trivialize racism, by using racial slurs excessively but in a light-hearted way and the words will lose their impact. Like your mother jokes.

[nate4449]

One way to look at it is that you don't truly appreciate something until it impacts you directly.

Thusly, it could be said that a lot of white people are oblivious to racism until they run into blacks being racist. At which stage they start screaming about so called 'reverse racism' .

I fixxed that for you.

[alfaroverall]

Rofl, get a dictionary newb. Poor people aren't a race. Unless you are suggesting that all minorities are poor and needy. Which would be racism. Irony.
Technically if he was right that every last minority in the world was poor and needy, it wouldn't be racism. Unless he implied that it was their being a minority that caused them to become poor and needy.

[Spinewire]

This isn't a troll.
then we don't give a shit, stick to what you know imo

[ZeaL-]

Thanks for proving my point. You are fucking racist. You are saying that not caring about poor people is racism. Which means you think minorities are all poor.

No I said a majority of them are poor. You are the racist who doesn't want to help them get out of the poverty.

[Shaehl]

Technically if he was right that every last minority in the world was poor and needy, it wouldn't be racism. Unless he implied that it was their being a minority that caused them to become poor and needy.

first of all, that's wrong. All minorities aren't poor and needy. Not on a general level, and certainly not on an individual level.

Secondly, minorities still aren't races, so he's still wrong.

Thirdly, he's racist for thinking in terms of race to begin with. I.E., white people = well-off; blacks and others = poor and needy. Racism.

[alfaroverall]

first of all, that's wrong. All minorities aren't poor and needy. Not on a general level, and certainly not on an individual level.
Reading comprehension ftw.

Secondly, minorities still aren't races, so he's still wrong.
Blacks, Asians, Native Americans, etc. aren't races? Interesting choice of definitions.
Thirdly, he's racist for thinking in terms of race to begin with. I.E., white people = well-off; blacks and others = poor and needy. Racism.
True. But I was pointing out a mere technicality that your poor reading comprehension seemed to miss entirely.

[Thrill_KIll]

No I said a majority of them are poor. You are the racist who doesn't want to help them get out of the poverty.


I'm racist because I say it's not my responsibility to work even more harder, so I can give that money to someone else?

You give full truth to that bumper sticker, "Work hard! People on welfare are depending on YOU!"

[Shaehl]

Reading comprehension ftw.


Blacks, Asians, Native Americans, etc. aren't races? Interesting choice of definitions.

True. But I was pointing out a mere technicality that your poor reading comprehension seemed to miss entirely.

Ty for the irrelevant and obvious technicality.

Also, I meant to say "poor people aren't races", my bad.

[trichlor]

Ty for the irrelevant and obvious technicality.

Also, I meant to say "poor people aren't races", my bad.

Someday, depending on how the world turns out, they might be viewed that way.

:ninja:

[Shaehl]

No I said a majority of them are poor. You are the racist who doesn't want to help them get out of the poverty.

Why should I be forced to help someone else get out of poverty?

Taking away my freedom and forcing me to work for the dubious endeavor of possibly making someone less poor?

Slavery ftw?

[ZeaL-]

I'm racist because I say it's not my responsibility to work even more harder, so I can give that money to someone else?

You give full truth to that bumper sticker, "Work hard! People on welfare are depending on YOU!"

Yah, because you hate other people because of their race. You don't want to help others because of their situation. Its evil to be greedy, and want to step over your fellow man because of his skin color. We must always help each other no matter what. Otherwise we are doomed to fail as an entire human race.

[Baralis]

No I said a majority of them are poor. You are the racist who doesn't want to help them get out of the poverty.


We have laws here in the US that bind employers to be equal opprotuntity employers. Meaning they cannot disqualify you based on race.

So that leaves the rest in the lap of the poor to better their own lives.

[ZeaL-]

We have laws here in the US that bind employers to be equal opprotuntity employers. Meaning they cannot disqualify you based on race.

So that leaves the rest in the lap of the poor to better their own lives.

There is still discrimination when people are hired. Its just that its not easy to prove. Plus getting a job doesn't mean you get out of poverty automatically. Look at the financial crisis we are in. Many people were just hit because of outside forces and are now forced to live outside in tents. There isn't a reason our fellow man should suffer like that. Its despicable anyone would defend that.

[alfaroverall]

Someday, depending on how the world turns out, they might be viewed that way.

:ninja:
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104438

[Heartnet~]

Its evil to be greedy,That's what Marx said.

[kingpin]

people aren't born racists. people react though when a different group of people and what they represent try to force things upon them.

i don't think anyone would care about other races if they weren't living together.

now you'll say what should we do, seperate people according to race?

of course not. however it's the migrators that should comply with the rules of the country they migrate to and not the other way around.

the same way a westerner should comply to the laws and customs of saudi arabia, an african or asian should comply to the laws and customs of america. period.

there no more racism.

[Thrill_KIll]

Yah, because you hate other people because of their race. You don't want to help others because of their situation. Its evil to be greedy, and want to step over your fellow man because of his skin color. We must always help each other no matter what. Otherwise we are doomed to fail as an entire human race.


I hate other people because of their race, because I don't think it's right for my money and work to support them?

No, we must not always help each other. We help those who are trying to help themselves, I can go with that one to a degree.

Only a complete jack ass of an idiot would say people not wanting their government to rob them makes them a racist....LOL

[ZeaL-]

That's what Marx said.

That isn't an insult to me, because I'm not a raging libertarian loon like most people here.

[Baralis]

There is still discrimination when people are hired. Its just that its not easy to prove. Plus getting a job doesn't mean you get out of poverty automatically. Look at the financial crisis we are in. Many people were just hit because of outside forces and are now forced to live outside in tents. There isn't a reason our fellow man should suffer like that. Its despicable anyone would defend that.

Whats funny is they dont have to live like that long term. They choose not to make changes that would allow them to better their lives.

[Spinewire]

That isn't an insult to me, because I'm not a raging libertarian loon like most people here.
A raging idiot maybe, libertarian? No.

[Gloomrender]

Read the following statement and then pause for a few seconds to reflect upon it.
Be certain that you understand it before replying.

Racism did not become an issue for most Americans until it started affecting white people recently.

You may substitute any other western or 1st world country for 'America' if appropriate to your surroundings.

Observations please.

Deep, deep stuff, man! Omfg! I, I can feel myself respecting everyone else's differences! And illegal immigration is great! I'm cured of my racism!

Thanks Villa!

[ZeaL-]

Whats funny is they dont have to live like that long term. They choose not to make changes that would allow them to better their lives.

Yah, lets ignore how the jobs they work in only exploit them and pay them pennys for hard work. Next you're gonna tell me illegal mexicans who work 13 hours a day live a lavish lifestyle...

[Baralis]

Yah, lets ignore how the jobs they work in only exploit them and pay them pennys for hard work. Next you're gonna tell me illegal mexicans who work 13 hours a day live a lavish lifestyle...

Exploit them for being illegal. If they were to follow the rules and work here legally they would be protected. Its not because employers are being racist. Yet another mention of racism where race isnt the factor.

[ZeaL-]

Exploit them for being illegal. If they were to follow the rules and work here legally they would be protected. Its not because employers are being racist. Yet another mention of racism where race isnt the factor.

Where did I mention it was racism? I said they were being exploited.

[kingpin]

Yah, lets ignore how the jobs they work in only exploit them and pay them pennys for hard work. Next you're gonna tell me illegal mexicans who work 13 hours a day live a lavish lifestyle...

unless they forced them to move from mexico, it's their problem.

[Spinewire]

Yah, lets ignore how the jobs they work in only exploit them and pay them pennys for hard work. Next you're gonna tell me illegal mexicans who work 13 hours a day live a lavish lifestyle...
Lessons to be learned

"Crime doesn't pay."
"The grass isn't always greener on the other side."

[Gloomrender]

Exploit them for being illegal. If they were to follow the rules and work here legally they would be protected. Its not because employers are being racist. Yet another mention of racism where race isnt the factor.

Economics is the main factor in any so called "racism".

[Baralis]

Where did I mention it was racism? I said they were being exploited.


My appologies then. But you are correct illegal workers are exploited. But for most even being exploited they live a better life then they did in their original countries. Thats no excuse to do it and its greed by the employers that are the root of this.

But in the US they have the ability to make a living even being illegal if they chose to do what they have to do.

[Thrill_KIll]

I used to get irritated about the irony of how a black person can use the "N" word all day long and it was ok. Whereas a white person could not use it in any context without it being wrong. Then I realised I am simply held to a higher standard, and all was well.

[Gloomrender]

I used to get irritated about the irony of how a black person can use the "N" word all day long and it was ok. Whereas a white person could not use it in any context without it being wrong. Then I realised I am simply held to a higher standard, and all was well.

/implicit racism *Drumroll*

[mutantmagnet]

people aren't born racists. people react though when a different group of people and what they represent try to force things upon them.

i don't think anyone would care about other races if they weren't living together.

now you'll say what should we do, seperate people according to race?

of course not. however it's the migrators that should comply with the rules of the country they migrate to and not the other way around.


As a first generation immigrant of Hatian parents I agree with this general mindset for any immigrant family in terms of laws but I'll scratch my head at your myopia if you are talking cultural values, especially if you are talking about multi-generational blacks who's ancestors didn't make the choice to immigrate or generations of other ethnic groups that simply had a choice of flee your country or die like the Jews or to an extent the Irish.

As Americans we also have to adapt an attitude that encourages us to be initially sociable with new groups we meet so we provide ourselves the opportunity to learn what they are about. If they are intolerable ignore/spite them afterwards. If they add positively to your social or professional life than something good has been made.

[Baralis]

I used to get irritated about the irony of how a black person can use the "N" word all day long and it was ok. Whereas a white person could not use it in any context without it being wrong. Then I realised I am simply held to a higher standard, and all was well.

I think that is a large factor. The have refused to let racial terms become obsolete in meaning. They still carry on the daragatory meaning and as long as they continue to do so it will be used agaisnt them.

[Gloomrender]

I think that is a large factor. The have refused to let racial terms become obsolete in meaning. They still carry on the daragatory meaning and as long as they continue to do so it will be used agaisnt them.

They keep racism alive more than racists do.

[Shaehl]

Yah, because you hate other people because of their race.

ROFL, he never said he hated anyone. Who are you to decide for him, or anyone for that matter, who he hates.

You don't want to help others because of their situation.

No one said they don't want to help others. We don't want to be FORCED to help others. You'd twist your panties into a knot if a rich guy forced a poor or less fortunate guy to help him. In fact, you'd call it slavery.

But when a poor man forces someone who is better off (whether through luck or hard work, it doesn't matter) to work for him you see only sunshine and rainbows?

Fuck that. Both situations are same. In either case you are FORCING someone to work for someone else. You are taking away their freedom. You are practicing slavery.

Its evil to be greedy, and want to step over your fellow man because of his skin color.

Who says it's evil to be greedy and why is he right? Aren't you liberals all about moral relativism? If you can say that greed is evil, then I don't want to hear you complain when people say abortion, or same sex marriage is evil.

Even if greed was evil, how are we being greedy? We simply want freedom. The freedom to reap what we sow. The freedom to keep what is ours. The freedom to not be forced into slavery for 4 months of the year just because someone else isn't happy with his lot in life, but isn't willing to do anything to change it.

Also, stop telling us what we think. No one said they hate anyone because of their skin color.

We must always help each other no matter what.

Who are you to decide that? Is it written in the stars somewhere that it is my job to pick a man up every time falls down? Is it my job to pick him up every time he purposefully lays down? No, it isn't.

It would be nice if I helped someone up. But when the government dictates morality and forces me at gunpoint to help a man up, there is no niceness. There is no goodwill on my part. There is only a man with a gun taking the fruit of my labor and giving it to someone else.

[kingpin]

As a first generation immigrant of Hatian parents I agree with this general mindset for any immigrant family in terms of laws but I'll scratch my head at your myopia if you are talking cultural values, especially if you are talking about multi-generational blacks who's ancestors didn't make the choice to immigrate or generations of other ethnic groups that simply had a choice of flee your country or die like the Jews or to an extent the Irish.

As Americans we also have to adapt an attitude that encourages us to be initially sociable with new groups we meet so we provide ourselves the opportunity to learn what they are about. If they are intolerable ignore/spite them afterwards. If they add positively to your social or professional life than something good has been made.

i am talking about now and those illegal immigrants that are flooding our countries.

i am not against immigration, i am against this "hey a few million illegal immigrants just came. oh well what can we humanitarian beings do now? we should DEFINITELY keep them and not only that but we should also accomodate every need they have, educate them, give them jobs, build them schools and religious places so they won't feel cut off from the countries they just fled from" mentality.

and if you don't do this, you're a fucking racist and are accused by the same countries the immigrants fled from, for mistreating their citizens. and at the same time you have the same immigrants complaining for lack of freedom every chance they get.

[Scully]

People need to become less aware of racism imo.

[Matriel]

Racism only exists if you're a collectivist retard. If you believe in individualism, then racism doesn't exist.

[ZeaL-]

Hiding behind words like individualism and freedom doesn't make you any less of a bad person.

[LordTenacious]

That was the ultimate straw man Zeal.

[Maas]

This is about the 4th time this week the SAME thread was created.

I'll summarize it for you:

Villa: Racism!
Trolls: Lawl you're racist
Someone who takes the thread too seriously: Wall of text

Now that I've summarized it, there is no need for this to happen AGAIN.