Favorite console RPGs and why?

[Temet nosce]

I'm bored nearly to bloody death, so I'm posting this in the hope it will inspire at least a small bit of activity in this otherwise relatively dead forum (for some reason I've been up at the time of night this place is near completely silent lately)

The premise of the thread is exactly what the topic says, what are your favorite console RPGs and why? The more esoteric and detailed whatever you say is the happier I'll be (yes, I really am that bored) and remember to use spoiler tags for anything important.

For now at least I'll stick to only the top 2, although I could actually run down a list of ten or more.

Xenogears: For the sheer depth of the characters, story, and world development. Also worth note is the use of religion in the game which nearly stopped it from being ported to America.
One of the most important villains in the game is the protagonist, the main enemy is...everybody since humanity has been recreated as part of a massive biological weapon, it makes use of Freud's writings on psychology to explain what happened to the protagonist as a child and why he acts that way, it has a positively inspired use of religion to manipulate people...

Suikoden II: The first Suikoden was good but not on this scale, in addition to all the normal reasons Suikoden is fun this particular entry in the series had easily the best protagonist and antagonist in addition to a story that appealed to me even more than average. The protagonist and antagonist are best friends, however due to the way the runes work they've been forced to fight eachother causing an enormous war in addition to the murder of a royal dynasty. I'm particularly fond of the way Joei poisons the king, by consuming poison himself until his blood is saturated immediately prior to an oath taking ceremony where the king has to drink some of his blood.

[Spellmaker]

Mario RPG 4TW !!!

just because!

[Temet nosce]

Mario RPG 4TW !!!

just because!

Eh, it was fun for when it was released (I will say it was one of the better SNES RPGs) but I was never really fond of that era of RPGs. I spent most of my time playing other stuff back then.

[Woodiwood]

Pacman, Pacman, Pacman ... and a Ghost :)

[Nexus]

Final Fantasy 5 because of the character job customisation.

Final Fantasy 6 for the setting, (although I never completed it)

Final Fantasy 7 for the story and music, and the materia system

...

Oh, and Final Fantasy Tactics because I got sick of turn based twat-a-thons and wanted to play a top down game with a lot of character customisation.

I started to play FF8 but the magic system pissed me off, and I just about hated everything about 9, so 10-soon to be 13 are going to go unplayed for me.

I've definatly grown out of JRPGs now, in the sense that I hate being told who i'm playing. To quote yahtzee 'it feels like i'm just wheeling the characters between plot events'. I'm really into games that have an extensive begining character customisation or have a ridiculous span for customisation later on. That said, I still hate Oblivion =)

[Barbarossa]

Favorite: None.

Why: All console RPG's suck like nothing has ever sucked before.

[Nexus]

Favorite: None.

Why: All console RPG's suck like nothing has ever sucked before.
Thats statement is true for MMORPGs, but I think that generic RPGs are generally more laid back than other genres and therefore suit lounging on a couch with a controller over leaning forwards into a pc screen.

Also consoles > Pcs in terms of driving games.

However PCs win at all else however.

[Temet nosce]

I've definatly grown out of JRPGs now, in the sense that I hate being told who i'm playing. To quote yahtzee 'it feels like i'm just wheeling the characters between plot events'. I'm really into games that have an extensive begining character customisation or have a ridiculous span for customisation later on. That said, I still hate Oblivion =)

Understandable, I think somewhere along the line I just hit a point where I'd played so many JRPGs that I'm just used to them. Sure, I hate the battle systems in most of them, the linearity irritates me, and I have a host of other complaints about them but I don't think I'll ever actually stop playing them. Personally I actually liked Daggerfall better than Oblivion. Oh and Yahtzee's reviews are entertaining as hell.

I'd comment on your FF choices, but frankly they're so bland it's hard to. I've played every numbered FF except 11 and most of the ones that aren't numbered, but they just don't really stand out for the most part.

[Barbarossa]

Thats statement is true for MMORPGs, but I think that generic RPGs are generally more laid back than other genres and therefore suit lounging on a couch with a controller over leaning forwards into a pc screen.

Also consoles > Pcs in terms of driving games.

However PCs win at all else however.

I made that statement simply because PC controls>console controls.

I've played PC/Console versions of same game, PC versions win hands down...always IMO.

Oh and the thread says nothing about driving games. Not fair to pull that one out of yer hat!

[Vertigo Vain]

Magna Carta

[Temet nosce]

Magna Carta

Which game? That's actually a series, currently composed of two games.

[Scully]

Either FF 1 2 or 3, I can't remember which one I played.

[Agge]

Dark Chronicle.

The only thing I disliked about is that you can't turn down the music volume sepereately frome the rest of the sound, that said there was alot of good music in the game, the combat music just pissed me of.

Why? Content.

Realy, I don't want to say to much about it, soo if you got a ps2 and for some reason haven't played this game, you REALY should get it. Only valid reason not to get it is it's kinda childish, no, it's very childish! BUT IT DOESN'T MATHER.

Right, if you can look past the cartoony style they chose (I quite like it personaly) and that you basicly play as 2 kids, the game in itself is the perfect rpg (almoast).

Alright, DO NOT READ THIS, IT WILL SPOIL IT! But I will write this anyways because some of you might want more info on the game.

The game start with a quite long intro, and then it's prety mcuh straightforward kill monsters and take loot gameplay as you make your way out of the sewers. The sewer is cut up in about 7 levels or soo, each level is random generated, even if you play the same level again it will be diffrent. You get acces to the next level by completing the level befor. You complete a level by finding and killing the monster with the exit key (random monster) and then you have to find the exit.

You only get to play as the boy in this first dungeon, you are a equiped with a range (gun) and a melee weapon. Weapons get damaged as you use them, and also level up and change into new things depending on how you upgrade them.

Once you get out of the fist dungeon, soon alot more of the gameplay will be shown, but it's not untill maybe you played thrugh half of the game that you will acctualy have access to al the things you can do in the game.

There is soo much you can do in the game it will just keep suprising you if you let it, that said heere is a complete list of what you can do in the game that serves both a point and function, and even though the main goal is quite straightforward they still manage to make the game very sandbox!

The list, spoiler warning.
1. Taking photoes of things, yes this very much has function.

2. Building villages, painting them, trees, rivers, bridges etc etc. Quite detailed.

3. Invent stuff! Thats right, you can make you own things. It works by first combining three things into and idea and then you get your "recepie", then you need the material to acctualy build/creat it/them. Here is where taking photoes of things come in. As you take shots of things, you can add them to you notes, for example "tree", "pipe", "ironmaiden" etc etc. Soo basicly you will end up with a huge something like 300-400 words list, and then you either find clues like say "wheel + pipe and ..." or you just mix things randomely and hope you will invent something (moast of the time you won't) I could go on and on about this, but it sums moast of it up.

4. Weapons plays a huge part in the game, theres quite alot of possibilities here, but in short the boy will use a huge tools as melee weapons and guns for range, and the girls swords for melee and magic bracelets for range. Diffrent weapons are good vs diffrent things and diffrent elements. Just to give an example of how much the weapons can differ, you can end up with a rocket rifle or a machinegun or even laser. Then there is status alignments thrown unto this whole mess-

5. Robot, your boy is an inventor and as long as you got fuel you can drive/hover/walk or whatever around with your killing machine.

6. Monster play, by collecting badges and playing as diffrent monsters you will gain acces to some of the monsters in the game through the girl. Didn't realy give this much of a chance personaly. But things evolve as you play them and it acctualy seemed quitte intresting aswell.

7. Fishing. The fishing game is quite good, and fun at that! What fish you get mathers on where you fish, what lure you use and a bit of luck. Once a fish bites you gotta be carefull not to let it get away or pulling to fast soo the line breakes. But thats not al, later you will get access to (at least if you invent it) a casting rod with lure, the way you catch things with this is quite diffrent and you usualy get diffrent fish using this rod, lure migh also depend, can't say I remember.

8. Fishing competion. Not only can you try and win the heaviest caught fish competition every game week, but you can also join in on fish races! Thats right, you get to race with the lil fuckers! You also get to breed and train your fish if you invent and build your own aquarium... getting the ultimate FISH! *laugh*

9. Golf, well kinda like golf, just alot more fun and called speeda or something like that. You get to play this everytime you cleare a level of al of it's monsters and get a few shots on you to get a shiny ball into some warphole thingy. It's retarded fun, more like pinball then anything I guess... Yea like pinballgolf.

10. Quite good storyline.



Woha, thats a huge motherfucking spoiler! And I don't think I listed everything.

Basicly, to me it's a 9/10, because it's childish and the music thing. It's not perfect, but it's pretty damn close.

Edit: Moast bosses are easy as hell aswell thanks to your robot thingy, if you have kept upgrading it. Wich is kinda sad, but not a huge problem.

[Toilet]

Fable.

Fable 2, however, will be even better than anything out there.

[Agge]

Fable.

Fable 2, however, will be even better than anything out there.

Have fun with your virtual wife and baby, I can see why you might enjoy that.

[Temet nosce]

Dark Chronicle.

For half a minute or so there I was excited as hell, I thought you'd mentioned an RPG I had actually never played. Then I ran a search and found out it's just another name for Dark Cloud 2, which to be honest didn't impress me that much because of the ambiance, the characters, the story, the graphics (yeah, I know shallow, but I found them terrible), and the fact that the one point where I found the game excels (gameplay outside of dungeons and combat) I enjoyed more in other RPGs.

That said I may replay it, I have a copy lying around somewhere and I'm running low on things to do.

[Agge]

For half a minute or so there I was excited as hell, I thought you'd mentioned an RPG I had actually never played. Then I ran a search and found out it's just another name for Dark Cloud 2, which to be honest didn't impress me that much because of the ambiance, the characters, the story, the graphics (yeah, I know shallow, but I found them terrible), and the fact that the one point where I found the game excels (gameplay outside of dungeons and combat) I enjoyed more in other RPGs.

That said I may replay it, I have a copy lying around somewhere and I'm running low on things to do.

How far did you get? Imo it's not that fun to begin with but as you get more things to do thus making the gameplay very warried (if you want) it starts to shine. It basicly took the dungeon and city building concept frome the first game and polished it up and added alot more content.

Still, I only wished it was more mature, it's the only real thing I got to complain about.

[Temet nosce]

How far did you get? Imo it's not that fun to begin with but as you get more things to do thus making the gameplay very warried (if you want) it starts to shine. It basicly took the dungeon and city building concept frome the first game and polished it up and added alot more content.

Still, I only wished it was more mature, it's the only real thing I got to complain about.

I finished it and yeah, it is pretty similar to the first game (although I'll concede it's substantially more polished at least on the parts outside dungeons).

[ZeaL-]

Spyro year of the dragon was the best rpg.

[Agge]

I finished it and yeah, it is pretty similar to the first game (although I'll concede it's substantially more polished at least on the parts outside dungeons).

Did you finish finish it? But that hadly mathers, no more content after the first finish soo to speak. Anyways I have yet to find a console rpg that could match up with it content wise.

Then again, I'm the guy that found FF7 a snorefest and I didn't even manage to finish the first CD.

I can't realy say that DC is THEE console rpg of al time for me, but it's up there on my top um... 5 or soo.

Now if the FF series would stop being soo god damn metrosexual... I only realy liked the FF2 and FFX, FFX is in my top 5.

These are the once I had to decide betwen:

Dark Cronichles - Content
FFX - Story (also my first FF game)
Seiken Densestu - Characters
Zelda a link to the past - gameplay + first real rpg I played

... I think thats it realy. Many of the snes rpg's kick ass but I just generaly get bored of them befor I play them through.

[Haart Maystorm]

FF3 (aka FF6, but I'm not a Jap so fuck it).

Best FF I have played. Great story, awesome characters, and the most epic FF boss of all time (Emo-boy Sephiroth aint got shit on psychotic-clown-dude Kefka).

[Temet nosce]

Did you finish finish it? But that hadly mathers, no more content after the first finish soo to speak. Anyways I have yet to find a console rpg that could match up with it content wise.


Yes (if you mean the bonus thing), and give Star Ocean 2 a try (or SO3 if you'd prefer a more enjoyable battle system and better graphics at the cost of a smaller item creation system).

[Agge]

Yes (if you mean the bonus thing), and give Star Ocean 2 a try (or SO3 if you'd prefer a more enjoyable battle system and better graphics at the cost of a smaller item creation system).

What system?

Edit: nvm, found out myself. Will see if I can get a hold of it.

[Temet nosce]

What system?

Playstation for SO2, and PS2 for SO3.

[Nexus]

Spyro year of the dragon was the best rpg.
Obvious troll is obvious.

[Agge]

Playstation for SO2, and PS2 for SO3.

I'll give it a shot if I find it.

[alfaroverall]

Personal favorites in no particular order:
FF8
FF7
Tales of Symphonia (looking forward to this upcoming wii game, though I have a feeling it's going to be somewhat poor by comparison to the original, frankly)
Skies of Arcadia (also wondering about this sequel)
Chrono Cross
Chrono Trigger
Legend of Mana
Legend of Legaia
Legend of Dragoon
FF10 (good character development but a god damn awful story. I mean seriously, 2 hours in you know what's going to happen almost entirely, other than the whole thing with the Final Aeon, the ending, and the subplot with Seymour.)

I'd discuss these but there's way too much to try to discuss...so reply as you wish.

Regarding the other Star Ocean games, I'd like to play them after finishing Star Ocean 1, but after glossing over some of the "chapter" headings in a guide (I got stuck at a point and found a guide that doesn't spoil much with the headings) I found that the game was nowhere near as interesting in terms of story than it was. I thought the venture into the past (not exactly a spoiler since it happens so early in the game) would be pretty brief, but no...you go back in time and when you come back, you're practically at the end. That disappointed me, so I stopped playing, but I've always told myself I wouldn't play the subsequent games until I finished the original.

[shnedit]

Story of Thor! Shinning force!

[Justinian]

Shining Force, Shining Force II, and if you're lucky enough, Shining Force III(s)

[Drohn Moharri]

Seeing as I've only played a few rpgs on consoles I gotta say Chrono Trigger is definitely the best but KOTOR was good too.

[Temet nosce]

Tales of Symphonia (looking forward to this upcoming wii game, though I have a feeling it's going to be somewhat poor by comparison to the original, frankly)

Yeah, I almost used that game as justification for buying a Wii but restrained myself till I read up on it. After finding out a bit of information (particularly the whole monster thing) I lost my excited feeling.

Skies of Arcadia (also wondering about this sequel)

If there's seriously a sequel in the works to that then I owe you for informing me because I haven't heard so much as a whisper.

Legend of Legaia

Played the sequel? It isn't as good as the original but it's worth the time to go through it once or twice.

Legend of Dragoon

Yeah, that one is definitely in my top 10, and depending on my mood maybe my top 5. Lloyd was an excellent villain.


FF10 (good character development but a god damn awful story. I mean seriously, 2 hours in you know what's going to happen almost entirely, other than the whole thing with the Final Aeon, the ending, and the subplot with Seymour.)

I have to disagree here, I just replayed this and I found the characters to be one of the worst parts. Character development, yes there was some but it didn't save the characters. I actually found the story to be better, for all that it didn't especially impress me.

Regarding the other Star Ocean games, I'd like to play them after finishing Star Ocean 1, but after glossing over some of the "chapter" headings in a guide (I got stuck at a point and found a guide that doesn't spoil much with the headings) I found that the game was nowhere near as interesting in terms of story than it was. I thought the venture into the past (not exactly a spoiler since it happens so early in the game) would be pretty brief, but no...you go back in time and when you come back, you're practically at the end. That disappointed me, so I stopped playing, but I've always told myself I wouldn't play the subsequent games until I finished the original.

I think you mean Star Ocean 2, at least that's the one where you immediately head into the past. Although let me be honest here, the SO stories are pretty mediocre. They aren't totally terrible but in no way, shape, or form are they the main reason (or even one of the major reasons) to play the games. (Star Ocean 1 was never ported into english, if you want to play it you'll need a fan made translation patch.)

[alfaroverall]

Yeah, I almost used that game as justification for buying a Wii but restrained myself till I read up on it. After finding out a bit of information (particularly the whole monster thing) I lost my excited feeling.
I'm also not too fond of the way they're trying to incorporate the Symphonia cast plus other people (a la X-2 with Paine), and the fact that they basically say "oh shit, the awesome accomplishment we did in the previous game didn't turn out so well, now the world's all messed up". I'll probably get it though, since I already have a Wii.
If there's seriously a sequel in the works to that then I owe you for informing me because I haven't heard so much as a whisper.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skies_of_Arcadia
The mentions seem to all be in Japan.

Played the sequel? It isn't as good as the original but it's worth the time to go through it once or twice.
No I haven't, I ought to grab a copy of that.
Yeah, that one is definitely in my top 10, and depending on my mood maybe my top 5. Lloyd was an excellent villain.
Gah, it's been too long since I played it. The last time I tried I got to disk 2 and couldn't get myself to keep at it. It has some definite tedious periods, I've gotta say.
I have to disagree here, I just replayed this and I found the characters to be one of the worst parts. Character development, yes there was some but it didn't save the characters. I actually found the story to be better, for all that it didn't especially impress me.
Eh, the discussions among the characters as you go through the plot are better than most of the character development in past games, though I suppose the addition of facial expressions and DECENT VOICE OVERS (a rarity in JRPGs) helped.
I think you mean Star Ocean 2, at least that's the one where you immediately head into the past. Although let me be honest here, the SO stories are pretty mediocre. They aren't totally terrible but in no way, shape, or form are they the main reason (or even one of the major reasons) to play the games. (Star Ocean 1 was never ported into english, if you want to play it you'll need a fan made translation patch.)
I was playing the original by fan translation, and it takes maybe 90 minutes to go back in time. My whole thing wasn't based on the story, really, I had just expected a game that was mostly based in scifi (based on the foreshadowing that it gives at the beginning when you first go back in time) and instead got a game that was mostly based in fantasy.

[Temet nosce]

Gah, it's been too long since I played it. The last time I tried I got to disk 2 and couldn't get myself to keep at it. It has some definite tedious periods, I've gotta say.

I can sympathize, I couldn't manage to finish (I think it was the third disk) the first time I played. I had to wait around a year then play it again before finishing it, but it was well worth the wait. I even ended up replaying it a couple more times.

Eh, the discussions among the characters as you go through the plot are better than most of the character development in past games, though I suppose the addition of facial expressions and DECENT VOICE OVERS (a rarity in JRPGs) helped.

Maybe, but it doesn't help when they have such terrible characters to begin with. One of the things I associate with FF is that they usually have at least one or two characters in each game I like. FFX didn't. I basically despised the entire cast of the damn game, which naturally had a major negative effect on my opinion of it.

I was playing the original by fan translation, and it takes maybe 90 minutes to go back in time. My whole thing wasn't based on the story, really, I had just expected a game that was mostly based in scifi (based on the foreshadowing that it gives at the beginning when you first go back in time) and instead got a game that was mostly based in fantasy.

Ok, that makes more sense. I'll be honest here though, out of the three games I've played (I haven't played Blue Sphere since it was released only in Japan and on a portable, in addition to having no translation patch I never bothered) the original is by far the least enjoyable. Just force yourself through it quickly if it really means that much to you then move on to the real gem (SO2).

[Vertigo Vain]

Princess Maker 2

[alfaroverall]

I can sympathize, I couldn't manage to finish (I think it was the third disk) the first time I played. I had to wait around a year then play it again before finishing it, but it was well worth the wait. I even ended up replaying it a couple more times.
True, true. I've never actually finished it; the first time I played it was when it was rather new, and I got to the last boss (not the second to last boss which is the EPIC SPOILER OF DOOM, the actual last boss) and couldn't beat him. I later lost my CDs.



Maybe, but it doesn't help when they have such terrible characters to begin with. One of the things I associate with FF is that they usually have at least one or two characters in each game I like. FFX didn't. I basically despised the entire cast of the damn game, which naturally had a major negative effect on my opinion of it.
I can agree with that, I suppose. Lulu's sarcasm was entertaining, but other than that, on reflection I didn't like those characters very much either.



Ok, that makes more sense. I'll be honest here though, out of the three games I've played (I haven't played Blue Sphere since it was released only in Japan and on a portable, in addition to having no translation patch I never bothered) the original is by far the least enjoyable. Just force yourself through it quickly if it really means that much to you then move on to the real gem (SO2).
Hmm, maybe I'll just grab SO2 then. Is there anything to be gained from beating SO1 before playing SO2 at all?

[Tzacharu]

KOTOR I and II. Didn't play it for the PC, though I'm debating on buying it because I have no other games to play and I no longer have my Xbox with me.

[kingpin]

although i look down with pity and spit on consoles and all they stand for, i can't help but feel grateful that a game like final fantasy 7 and 8 were made.

so these two games are not only the greatest console rpgs but the only great thing about consoles in general.

[BlackVolgan]

morrowind on xbox. Why? because its fucking morrowind, bitch!

[trichlor]

The most re-playable for me has always been the Zelda series. The early FF series were pretty awesome in their time. I've fond memories of the majority of the SNES RPGs.

They're all epic in their own rights. I can't think of a single game that actually beats all, or even most of them hands down.

[Helgeran]

Ocarina of Time.

[Thoric]

Probably there are good JRPGs but i just can't take any storyline seriously no matter how exciting and thrilling it is if my character's face looks like this - ^_^

[alfaroverall]

Probably there are good JRPGs but i just can't take any storyline seriously no matter how exciting and thrilling it is if my character's face looks like this - ^_^
Never seen a JRPG that did that. The Japanese do a very good job of making their RPG characters look absolutely non-Japanese...with the peculiar exception of Yuna when she is rendered in cutscenes for some reason. And maybe Rikku, at least in X-2's cutscenes.

[StabbyYooStyle]

Chrono Trigger (snes)

Lunar:Silver Star & Lunar: Eternal Blue (released on sega cd then re-released on ps1)

[Qikdraw]

Shadowrun - Genesis
Dragon Warrior IV - NES
Inindo - SNES

[Salaman]

Chrono Trigger and Tales of Symphonia.

I've played others but those two stand head and shoulders above everything else.

[alfaroverall]

Looks like I now have 3 games on my list of things to play in the near future...OoT (never played it back in the day except for about 20 minutes at a friends), SO2, and Tales of Symphonia (been too long since I played this, and as I recall I never finished every side quest). It'll suck to play Symphonia again with the ZOMGWTF PLOT TWIST semi-early in the game spoiled, though, just like it would suck to play Legend of Dragoon again with the identity of the second-to-last boss spoiled.

I can probably get away with playing SO2 on a computer, though, so that'll save me some time and money. (Personal policy: if buying it doesn't net the company that made it any money, it's fair game to acquire for free. Unfortunately this doesn't work for OoT, since the controls aren't conducive to use on a keyboard (and those controller adapters that they sell for computers are more expensive than the game itself would be)).

[Protonix]

NES dragon warrior series
SNES zelda, secrets of mana (or whatever it was)

[Honest Bill]

NES dragon warrior series
SNES zelda, secrets of mana (or whatever it was)

Secret of Mana was a totally different game. You're thinking of Zelda, A Link To The Past

[Protonix]

I meant the comma to separate the two games.

[Honest Bill]

I meant the comma to separate the two games.


Oh Ok, it was just for future reference

[Protonix]

Well thanks! I actually couldn't remember the rest of the Zelda game, but now I know!

[Temet nosce]

Hmm, maybe I'll just grab SO2 then. Is there anything to be gained from beating SO1 before playing SO2 at all?

I played SO2 first and then SO3, after that I went back and hunted down a translation patch of the original simply because I loved two and three so much. It was a slight disappointment, although I found it to be worth playing. (I'm not saying you'd gain nothing from playing it first, but it won't ruin SO2 or SO3 not to)

Lunar:Silver Star & Lunar: Eternal Blue (released on sega cd then re-released on ps1)

I enjoyed those, although to be honest I disliked the ambiance a good bit. Still Ghaleon was fun.

Looks like I now have 3 games on my list of things to play in the near future...OoT (never played it back in the day except for about 20 minutes at a friends), SO2, and Tales of Symphonia (been too long since I played this, and as I recall I never finished every side quest). It'll suck to play Symphonia again with the ZOMGWTF PLOT TWIST semi-early in the game spoiled, though, just like it would suck to play Legend of Dragoon again with the identity of the second-to-last boss spoiled.

Yeah, definitely make sure and give OoT a run through on the N64 (don't bother with the remakes, the original is best). As for ToS? You'll actually probably enjoy it more than you think, as it's one of those games which is actually semi fun gameplay wise. It also has some kind of incentive system in place for replaying (you get extra stuff or something I seem to recall).

I can probably get away with playing SO2 on a computer, though, so that'll save me some time and money. (Personal policy: if buying it doesn't net the company that made it any money, it's fair game to acquire for free. Unfortunately this doesn't work for OoT, since the controls aren't conducive to use on a keyboard (and those controller adapters that they sell for computers are more expensive than the game itself would be)).

I'm not sure there, I've never bothered to check if it's available on a computer, still if it is you may be right in this case. SO2 is a fairly expensive little gem, probably why most people haven't played it.

[alfaroverall]

I played SO2 first and then SO3, after that I went back and hunted down a translation patch of the original simply because I loved two and three so much. It was a slight disappointment, although I found it to be worth playing. (I'm not saying you'd gain nothing from playing it first, but it won't ruin SO2 or SO3 not to)
Alrighty. At the very least I know of the characters in SO (I see on wikipedia that one of the characters in SO2 is the child of Ronixis) and really that's probably the biggest contribution from SO to SO2, I imagine.
Yeah, definitely make sure and give OoT a run through on the N64 (don't bother with the remakes, the original is best). As for ToS? You'll actually probably enjoy it more than you think, as it's one of those games which is actually semi fun gameplay wise. It also has some kind of incentive system in place for replaying (you get extra stuff or something I seem to recall).
I know I'd enjoy ToS in another playthrough. I just would be a little disappointed when what IMO was the best moment in the game (that "WHAT THE FUCK?" moment when the big plot twist happens fairly early on) was already known to me from the beginning.

I don't know where I'd find a copy of OoT, sadly. Any ideas? A lot of used game stores don't sell N64 games anymore, and OoT is not a game that is conducive to being played on a keyboard as I said before. (I've tried...) I suppose I could try craigslist or something like that...Edit: damn, nope, not on craigslist.
I'm not sure there, I've never bothered to check if it's available on a computer, still if it is you may be right in this case. SO2 is a fairly expensive little gem, probably why most people haven't played it.
I have a site I can go to to get such things. I won't bother to say more...if you're interested take it to PMs.

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I don't know where I'd find a copy of OoT, sadly. Any ideas? A lot of used game stores don't sell N64 games anymore, and OoT is not a game that is conducive to being played on a keyboard as I said before. (I've tried...) I suppose I could try craigslist or something like that...Edit: damn, nope, not on craigslist.

I have a site I can go to to get such things. I won't bother to say more...if you're interested take it to PMs.

I ran a quick check on Ebay, you can get a used copy on there fairly cheap it looks like.

Also, PMed.