Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

[IthroZada]

http://www.vhemt.org/

Saw some people posting about crazy people, decided to jump on the boat.
Did a quick search and didn't see any posts about these guys, so thought it was worth a laugh to put up.

[Hyster]

do we call this the lemming solution?

[IthroZada]

I would like to move for a vote that these are the ultimate carebears.
Any opposed?

[palo god]

http://www.vhemt.org/

Saw some people posting about crazy people, decided to jump on the boat.
Did a quick search and didn't see any posts about these guys, so thought it was worth a laugh to put up.

This is actually good because it stops all the retards joining this movement from breeding and filters out some of the stupid from future generations.

[Wickfield]

This is actually good because it stops all the retards joining this movement from breeding and filters out some of the stupid from future generations.

Thus leading to a future population of intelligent, prosperous, and generally likeable human beings?

[cosimo84]

Human extinction movement....

while you're at it, you might as well hook up with these guys (http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm)

[alfaroverall]

Pragmatically speaking, these guys are pretty much the closest to the truth that you can ever get. If they could take power for a few decades, we could lose a billion or two people (looking at worldometers.info and generalizing the data to encompass an entire year, it looks like about 50 million die annually, so 30 years later 1.5 billion would be dead) and then change our cultures so our populations don't burgeon again. That is really what is at the root of almost all of our problems, from world hunger to issues in economics to global warming to the energy issue: overpopulation.

Though we'd ideally have a worldwide "1 child per couple" policy a la China. That would give us a net death rate that was over twice our net birth rate pretty much as a given, so although it would take almost twice as long to get any further in dropping our population, we wouldn't get the problem of no one being able to accommodate the growing elderly population that we would otherwise.

Outright extinction, however, is obviously a foolish thing and is not going to happen unless governments or the Earth cause it to happen.

[cosimo84]

Pragmatically speaking, these guys are pretty much the closest to the truth that you can ever get. If they could take power for a few decades, we could lose a billion or two people and then change our cultures so our populations don't burgeon again. That is really what is at the root of almost all of our problems, from world hunger to issues in economics to global warming to the energy issue: overpopulation.

Outright extinction, however, is obviously a foolish thing and is not going to happen unless governments or the Earth cause it to happen.

Yeah cuz, as you go back in history and world population shrinks, humanity becomes more and more peaceful

[palo god]

Thus leading to a future population of intelligent, prosperous, and generally likeable human beings?

Nods*

[IthroZada]

Human extinction movement....

while you're at it, you might as well hook up with these guys (http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm)

Actually reading about the Flat Earth Society is what inspired me to post about these guys

[alfaroverall]

Yeah cuz, as you go back in history and world population shrinks, humanity becomes more and more peaceful
Note that I did not specifically mention warfare. Warfare is too complex of an issue to be written off as being caused almost entirely by overpopulation, although when push comes to shove, overpopulation will eventually cause warfare as well.

[Delthayre]

I do think that if there were only one billion humans, those billion would be better off than we nearly seven billion are now. Those who survived the black death were fortunate in more ways than merely their survival. Even as I recognize that, rather struggle, if perhaps irrationally, to accept this proposal. Nearly ever paragraph on that site is infused with a perceptible, insufferable smugness.

[IthroZada]

I do have to admit, these VHEMT guys aren't completely off their rockers, just enough to be legally insanse.
Full extinction = bad.
Half extinction = not so bad.

[cosimo84]

Note that I did not specifically mention warfare. Warfare is too complex of an issue to be written off as being caused almost entirely by overpopulation, although when push comes to shove, overpopulation will eventually causes warfare as well.

And if there aren't enough people to have a war, then you could still have one man killing another.

I think these VHEM guys are pretty idiotic. If humanity is going extinct, I'm still just going to want to work on my degree, hang out with friends, get drunk, have sex, and play darkfall

[ZeaL-]

These people are messed up.

[Temet nosce]

Pragmatically speaking, these guys are pretty much the closest to the truth that you can ever get. If they could take power for a few decades, we could lose a billion or two people (looking at worldometers.info and generalizing the data to encompass an entire year, it looks like about 50 million die annually, so 30 years later 1.5 billion would be dead) and then change our cultures so our populations don't burgeon again. That is really what is at the root of almost all of our problems, from world hunger to issues in economics to global warming to the energy issue: overpopulation.

Though we'd ideally have a worldwide "1 child per couple" policy a la China. That would give us a net death rate that was over twice our net birth rate pretty much as a given, so although it would take almost twice as long to get any further in dropping our population, we wouldn't get the problem of no one being able to accommodate the growing elderly population that we would otherwise.

Outright extinction, however, is obviously a foolish thing and is not going to happen unless governments or the Earth cause it to happen.

This is pretty much what I was going to post, these people may be insane but really the way most of humanity slaves to its instincts is absurd. There are people having 10+ children over in Africa, and even in civilized countries it's not unusual to have 4 or more.

[ZeaL-]

yah, but in africa they don't live past 20 so who cares.

[Temet nosce]

yah, but in africa they don't live past 20 so who cares.

Think before you post. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy Average life expectancy there is around 45 or so on average over Africa as a rough estimate. More than enough to cause trouble.

[Haart Maystorm]

Well, considering that humans have the lowest fertility rates of pretty much every animal on the planet (a fertility rate that is continually declining), we're all already well on the path towards human extinction.

Though if there's anything Hollywood has taught us, is that a hard-core Aussie and his hot lover (and a gang of feral children) will rise up and re populate the planet.

Rinse and repeat.

[Duffren]

Yeah! We'll wipe out the human race and to celebrate we'll...oh right. Nevermind.

[nate4449]

That movement has my seal of approval.

I am all for morons politely removing themselves from the genepool.

A rather strange form of natural selection imo.

[Ungraylessness]

Most of the worlds problems come from a parasitic middle and lower class. So my solution is to neuter everyone with a net worth of under 1.2 million dollars. Then after the middle class dies off the rich can inherit all the money and the world will lose all those whining lazy untouchables.

[Kaorn]

+1 for Darwin

[palo god]

Most of the worlds problems come from a parasitic middle and lower class. So my solution is to neuter everyone with a net worth of under 1.2 million dollars. Then after the middle class dies off the rich can inherit all the money and the world will lose all those whining lazy untouchables.

Whats your net worth?

[Ungraylessness]

Whats your net worth?

I'd be more than willing to sacrifice myself for the happiness of my wealthy overlords.

[Kaorn]

From the Site, about their idea dieing out.
If an idea lacks enough merit to be passed on without being force-fed from an early age, it probably deserves to be forgotten.

[nate4449]

Whats your net worth?

Over 9000.

[Madrandomize]

And again Darwin wins.

Ffs if he was still alive he would be disguistingly rich by now.

[Sitnam]

If you look at countries that have high birth rates versus low birth rates the ones with low birth rates educate their women.

[alfaroverall]

And if there aren't enough people to have a war, then you could still have one man killing another.

I think these VHEM guys are pretty idiotic. If humanity is going extinct, I'm still just going to want to work on my degree, hang out with friends, get drunk, have sex, and play darkfall
You're in the wrong group to be even considering VHEMT's ideas. VHEMT doesn't seek to actively kill everyone, or have them kill themselves; it seeks to have them not reproduce and subsequently die of natural causes. Since you don't have an obvious inclination to reproduce in the first place right now, they don't give a fuck about you.
Well, considering that humans have the lowest fertility rates of pretty much every animal on the planet (a fertility rate that is continually declining), we're all already well on the path towards human extinction.

Though if there's anything Hollywood has taught us, is that a hard-core Aussie and his hot lover (and a gang of feral children) will rise up and re populate the planet.

Rinse and repeat.
Giant pandas? I mean seriously, they can reproduce once a year to yield one cub in theory and usually fail even at that. The fact that they still exist is a testament to how much sway mankind has over natural selection.
Most of the worlds problems come from a parasitic middle and lower class. So my solution is to neuter everyone with a net worth of under 1.2 million dollars. Then after the middle class dies off the rich can inherit all the money and the world will lose all those whining lazy untouchables.
My responses are the following:
Troll.
and/or
loleconomics? The wealthy's money suddenly stops allowing them to buy anything when the middle and lower class ceases to exist entirely.

[MattMystrieo]

I'd be more than willing to sacrifice myself for the happiness of my wealthy overlords.

Cheers.

[Morthor]

These people obviously have no clue about ecology or how natural 'disasters' will happen whether humans are around or not. We've had numerous ice ages, been hit by meteors and nothing we can do will stop these events.

I'm not disagreeing on the fact that the world might be a better place if these guys killed themselves though.

[Mordhak]

Yet another clever excuse designed by the nerd community for not getting laid.

[alfaroverall]

Yet another clever excuse designed by the nerd community for not getting laid.
Since when do they advocate not getting laid? They just advocate that you use a rubber.

[ZeaL-]

Think before you post. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy Average life expectancy there is around 45 or so on average over Africa as a rough estimate. More than enough to cause trouble.

they are still in the bronze age though so I doubt they will go anywhere out of the desert.

[alfaroverall]

they are still in the bronze age though so I doubt they will go anywhere out of the desert.
Bronze age? OK seriously, troll. These people are being fed by you. (I'm assuming you're in either the US or the EU; if not, this is an incorrect statement.) Farmland here is being dedicated to feeding these people, and they're not producing goods or services for the rest of the world. If they were able to just go about in the desert and hunt/gather, no one would give a damn, except maybe naive conservationists who think they'll have a profound negative impact on the populations of the local animals.

(Which, by the way, never happens; animals adapt to the human hunter-gatherer lifestyle because it's been around for so long that it has been able to become an evolutionary force, driving the sorts of animals that we eat to evolve ways to not get eaten by us. They don't adapt to the over-hunting that happens when civilization goes out into the wilds to get food that it doesn't need in the first place.)

[ZeaL-]

Bronze age? OK seriously, troll. These people are being fed by you. Farmland here is being dedicated to feeding these people, and they're not producing resources. If they were able to just go about in the desert and hunt/gather, no one would give a damn, except maybe naive conservationists who think they'll have a profound negative impact on the populations of the local animals. Which never happens; animals adapt to the human hunter-gatherer lifestyle because it's been around for so long. They don't adapt to the over-hunting that happens when civilization goes out into the wilds to get food that it doesn't need in the first place.

They have almost no technology and can't even fend for themselves. They get diseases more often then normal people and thats what causes them to die. Plus everyone suffers from malnutrition.

[alfaroverall]

They have almost no technology and can't even fend for themselves. They get diseases more often then normal people and thats what causes them to die. Plus everyone suffers from malnutrition.
Again, no, that's not the case. The majority of the people in question are on freaking camps put in place by their governments. They are fed by handouts of what is basically corn meal, which is enough to keep them alive and little else, hence the malnutrition. They're not just somehow cut off from civilization and living this pristine lifestyle with no impact on civilization whatsoever.

My problem with them is not that they exist; I would never advocate that they all be killed. My problem with them is that:
1. Their governments will not let them continue to live the perfectly fine lifestyle they were living before and must therefore take handouts from the Western world to sustain these people, thereby satisfying their own desire for money in the process. But now they're all on camps and have been for decades, so they couldn't go back to that lifestyle if they tried.
2. That they reproduce so god damn much, further exacerbating this and many other problems.

[Temet nosce]

1. Their governments will not let them continue to live the perfectly fine lifestyle they were living before and must therefore take handouts from the Western world to sustain these people, thereby satisfying their own desire for money in the process. But now they're all on camps and have been for decades, so they couldn't go back to that lifestyle if they tried.
2. That they reproduce so god damn much, further exacerbating this and many other problems.

To add a third objection that I at least maintain about the entire damned idiotic situation there, they're basically totally fucking ignorant. We ship them condoms that they don't use, teach them basic sexual safety which they ignore, and point out that more children actually makes things worse to which they either say more children pleases their gods or that they're catholic (basically the only group with any hold there).

[ZeaL-]

Again, no, that's not the case. The majority of the people in question are on freaking camps put in place by their governments. They are fed by handouts of what is basically corn meal, which is enough to keep them alive and little else, hence the malnutrition. They're not just somehow cut off from civilization and living this pristine lifestyle with no impact on civilization whatsoever.

My problem with them is not that they exist; I would never advocate that they all be killed. My problem with them is that:
1. Their governments will not let them continue to live the perfectly fine lifestyle they were living before and must therefore take handouts from the Western world to sustain these people, thereby satisfying their own desire for money in the process. But now they're all on camps and have been for decades, so they couldn't go back to that lifestyle if they tried.
2. That they reproduce so god damn much, further exacerbating this and many other problems.

I don't think you understand what I mean. Cmon, you just ignore how they get diseases like aids and keep dying year round. Their babies can barely survive. Yah, they might receive food from us, but it doesn't mean they live long. Also the reason why they have kids is cuz their culture doesn't let them use condoms. They reject those western things.

[Temet nosce]

I don't think you understand what I mean. Cmon, you just ignore how they get diseases like aids and keep dying year round. Their babies can barely survive. Yah, they might receive food from us, but it doesn't mean they live long. Also the reason why they have kids is cuz their culture doesn't let them use condoms. They reject those western things.

So what? This doesn't change their having an effect. Lets go back to the beginning here, you asked who cares about Africa (implying that their population isn't part of the overpopulation problem) when I pointed out that Africa had to many children in response to Alfaroverall saying we're overpopulated and it'd be nice if these people took over for a few decades and some people died off (rough summary.)

What in the world does any of what you just said have to do with that? Whether they live long or not they do have an effect (for that matter I already posted a link which detailed average lifespans when you argued them dying quickly made them have no effect).

[alfaroverall]

I don't think you understand what I mean. Cmon, you just ignore how they get diseases like aids and keep dying year round.
AIDS deaths are much smaller than many people seem to think. There are 1 billion people in Africa, roughly, and only 25 million people have died worldwide of AIDS since 1981. It's a damn large number, but it hasn't just ravaged their entire population (although some countries have been hit worse than others).
Their babies can barely survive. Yah, they might receive food from us, but it doesn't mean they live long.
With a life expectancy of 45 (stated earlier) that takes into account children that die before the age of 5 as well as those who die beyond the age of 50, I don't think their lives are that short, really. They're not exactly long, but nor are they short. Note that if their population decreased, far fewer babies would be dying in general. People didn't starve in Africa very much before the population jolted up in recent decades. Also the reason why they have kids is cuz their culture doesn't let them use condoms. They reject those western things.
This is a gross generalization, but in some cases this is true. Still, when humanity is introduced into the equation, genetic evolution ceases to be the only form of evolution; cultural evolution emerges as well. These people should adapt to the idea of not producing so many children since the environment isn't conducive to it. (It really wasn't before they were given handouts either; what exactly drove them to producing so many children in the first place is beyond me.)

By the way, for the record, this "we don't use condoms" thing is in many cases not "you're western, I reject your ideas." It's more like "you, my wife, ask me to use a condom? What do you think I am, an adulterer? I'm going to rape you now!" and then he does.

[Yobaj]

Ehm. This would just not work.

[ZeaL-]

AIDS deaths are much smaller than many people seem to think. There are 1 billion people in Africa, roughly, and only 25 million people have died worldwide of AIDS since 1981. It's a damn large number, but it hasn't just ravaged their entire population (although some countries have been hit worse than others).

With a life expectancy of 45 (stated earlier) that takes into account children that die before the age of 5 as well as those who die beyond the age of 50, I don't think their lives are that short, really. They're not exactly long, but nor are they short. Note that if their population decreased, far fewer babies would be dying in general. People didn't starve in Africa very much before the population jolted up in recent decades.
This is a gross generalization, but in some cases this is true. Still, when humanity is introduced into the equation, genetic evolution ceases to be the only form of evolution; cultural evolution emerges as well. These people should adapt to the idea of not producing so many children since the environment isn't conducive to it. (It really wasn't before they were given handouts either; what exactly drove them to producing so many children in the first place is beyond me.)

By the way, for the record, this "we don't use condoms" thing is in many cases not "you're western, I reject your ideas." It's more like "you, my wife, ask me to use a condom? What do you think I am, an adulterer? I'm going to rape you now!" and then he does.

I think its a gross generalization to say that AIDS doesn't affect these people that much. Its one of the biggest epidemics out there and it isn't going to stop. So yah they don't live long if there population is all gonna get affected by it.

Plus I haven't talked about malaria and the other diseases that destroy the african continent. This eventually causes many babies to die and never be born.

Also I find your late statement distateful since you are looking down upon their culture. They are human beings also.

[IthroZada]

Sadly, in some parts of Africa, they believe that communicable diseases can be "cured" by having sex of it with multiple partners. So if a soldier rapes a girl and gets aids, he will, depending if he's from a part of Africa that believes this, go out and rape many more women to "cure" himself. This so called cure conveniently requires no rubber.

[Ferox]

http://www.vhemt.org/

Saw some people posting about crazy people, decided to jump on the boat.
Did a quick search and didn't see any posts about these guys, so thought it was worth a laugh to put up.

I don't think these people are crazy.... maybe their methods are a bit extreme... but we definitely DO need to start controlling our population... the earth can't even support the amount of people on in it now... let alone in 20 years.

[alfaroverall]

I think its a gross generalization to say that AIDS doesn't affect these people that much.
25 million dead vs. 1981 worldwide and there are 1 billion on the continent and rapidly climbing. It doesn't seem like it could possibly be all that bad (although admittedly because it takes so long to kill people it'll probably start to accelerate pretty soon.)

Plus I haven't talked about malaria and the other diseases that destroy the african continent. This eventually causes many babies to die and never be born.
1 million a year, 90% in Africa. (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/06/0612_030612_malaria.html) A big number, but it's a small fraction of their growth rate.
Also I find your late statement distateful since you are looking down upon their culture. They are human beings also.
At some point you need to separate culture, pragmatism and human rights. I'd say a man raping his wife because she asked him to use a condom is a violation of her rights and is also not pragmatic in a world with overpopulation. Yes, culture should be defended, but not when its ideas violate fundamental ideas of pragmatism and human rights.

Though I phrased it harshly to emphasize my point, that was actually taken from the latter section of Richard Lee's The Dobe Ju/'hoansi. You may be interested in reading that, although most of it regards a rather small and specific group, with its focus being mostly on their existence several decades ago.

[Kietharr]

What a bunch of carebear homos is all I have to say.

[Mordhak]

Since when do they advocate not getting laid? They just advocate that you use a rubber.

"You're 28 and you're still a virgin?????"

"Uh, HELLO, I'm a member of the Voluntariy Human Extinction group? We don't reproduce, dumbass! It's for YOUR sake." *adjusts glasses triumphantly*

[IthroZada]

I don't think these people are crazy.... maybe their methods are a bit extreme... but we definitely DO need to start controlling our population... the earth can't even support the amount of people on in it now... let alone in 20 years.

Sure the basis of their idea is good and all, but wouldn't anyone who takes something to the extreme be considered cray?

[Ftang]

i can go one step better on advice here:

"save the planet and kill yourself"

- Bloodhound Gang

[alfaroverall]

"You're 28 and you're still a virgin?????"

"Uh, HELLO, I'm a member of the Voluntariy Human Extinction group? We don't reproduce, dumbass! It's for YOUR sake." *adjusts glasses triumphantly*
Then the buddy would reply: "But you can still find a girl if you use a rubber, c'mon man that's sad!"

[Helgeran]

I don't think these people are crazy.... maybe their methods are a bit extreme... but we definitely DO need to start controlling our population... the earth can't even support the amount of people on in it now... let alone in 20 years.
Overpopulation controls itself through starvation and disease due to lacking hygiene. We just happen to live in the places on earth were everyone is wealthy (in terms of energy and medical aid).

[Darkrabbit18]

I think what some of you are forgetting is that these guys arnt some crazy fanatic cult that goes around preaching death of humanity and killing those who dont follow their way of life, they are humble people like you and me that simply decide not to reproduce to lower the earths over-populated state.

Although some of you may get laughs from this, be it from a childish mind or because your against the idea, the fact remains that they are not a radical terrorist group that uses fear to get people to do what they want, they're just people choosing not to have children.

And yes, the flat earth society ARE infact abunch of whack-jobs. :lmao:

[IthroZada]

I think what some of you are forgetting is that these guys arnt some crazy fanatic cult that goes around preaching death of humanity and killing those who dont follow their way of life, they are humble people like you and me that simply decide not to reproduce to lower the earths over-populated state.

Although some of you may get laughs from this, be it from a childish mind or because your against the idea, the fact remains that they are not a radical terrorist group that uses fear to get people to do what they want, they're just people choosing not to have children.

And yes, the flat earth society ARE infact abunch of whack-jobs. :lmao:

You quite deftly reflected the example of my rebuttal before I even thought of it, congrats.

[Ungraylessness]

loleconomics? The wealthy's money suddenly stops allowing them to buy anything when the middle and lower class ceases to exist entirely.

Only the government needs to understand economics because they're in charge of our happiness. All you and I need to worry about is producing enough goods to make the majority of the community a little better off. Naturally more of those goods should go to our benevolent guides, but it's less of a hassle now that I've invented money.

[Ferox]

Overpopulation controls itself through starvation and disease due to lacking hygiene. We just happen to live in the places on earth were everyone is wealthy (in terms of energy and medical aid).

overpopulation is BECAUSE of the birth rate being more then the death rate....


if we are gaining people by the millions each week, the causes of death are not happening in a large enough scale.

[Baralis]

I don't think these people are crazy.... maybe their methods are a bit extreme... but we definitely DO need to start controlling our population... the earth can't even support the amount of people on in it now... let alone in 20 years.

Agreed! If a God were to grant me one wish I would wish that 99.5% of the worlds population would be removed. We are the ONLY species that will ruin the entire earth along with causing mass extinctions.

[omnigol]

If this movement would get muslims catholics and mormons under control I could consider it.

But this idea would just speed up the devolution to idiocracy.

[Ungraylessness]

Humans have a moral obligation to not support ending a family's line, which is why we have problems in the first place. Medicine's just about destroyed any hope for a plague, but maybe we can start colonizing planets and moons in the next two or three hundred years before our sympathy wipes us all out.

[Ungraylessness]

If this movement would get muslims catholics and mormons under control I could consider it.

But this idea would just speed up the devolution to idiocracy.

Maybe we should Adopt Spartan law?

[Heartnet~]

That is really what is at the root of almost all of our problems, from world hunger to issues in economics to global warming to the energy issue: overpopulation.You're saying the collective world will be better off not having new people being born, then having those people starve, live poorly, or suffer through GW? Who are you( or they ) to judge whether these people will value their own lives? Its perfectly possible for them to enjoy their lives even more than our own. Judging people's quality of life as the sole total of their value is a mistake collectivist always make.

[Baralis]

You're saying the collective world will be better off not having new people being born, then having those people starve, live poorly, or suffer through GW? Who are you( or they ) to judge whether these people will value their own lives? Its perfectly possible for them to enjoy their lives even more than our own. Judging people's quality of life as the sole total of their value is a mistake collectivist always make.

I think that people that have lived in the past 80 years would have had a better life if generations prior would have toned down reproduction and I believe based on observations and theories that it will only continue to get worse.

[alfaroverall]

You're saying the collective world will be better off not having new people being born, then having those people starve, live poorly, or suffer through GW? Who are you( or they ) to judge whether these people will value their own lives? Its perfectly possible for them to enjoy their lives even more than our own. Judging people's quality of life as the sole total of their value is a mistake collectivist always make.
I went on to say in that post that a couple being limited to one child would actually be better than outright stopping reproduction because it would create children that would be able to assist the elders and sustain the economy as they became unable to work. Hell, even limiting a couple to 2 children would be alright; not everyone would want to have children, and not everyone would want to have both children, so the population would still decrease. It's when 2 people produce 3 or more children that they start to create problems.

Just putting this out there: I'm not a hypocrite in this department. I don't plan to produce any children (I plan to adopt if I choose to raise children, since I don't think we have a right to produce new children when millions are out there starving for things they had nothing to do with). My mother, father, and my sisters' father have between them produced 3 children: my two sisters and myself. Although my mother has produced 3 children herself, 3 people have produced 3 children in total, and so the net change in the population after their deaths is 0.

And actually, I wasn't looking at the individual. From the dispassionate and pragmatic perspective, the individual is nothing. I was looking solely at consumption of resources, and the fact that they are currently being consumed much faster than they are being created.

[tallefred]

The interesting thing is that whoever wrote the site doesn't seem to be a crazed idiot. He has his opinion, accepts that not everyone else agrees, and doesn't expect them to change to his opinion. There's no fear mongering, no made up shit, no Jesus, or anything like that. They aren't your garden variety Illuminati Jesus freak crazy, they're just people with a weird world view. I like these people even if I don't agree with their idea.

[fCo_Pancho]

Dumb will triumph over smart because smart is dumb.

I find it amazing that self professed intelligent people choose not to raise numerous intelligent children.

[Ungraylessness]

Dumb will triumph over smart because smart is dumb.

I find it amazing that self professed intelligent people choose not to raise numerous intelligent children.

A smart person knows that a kid or two is cool, but seven are just a pain in the ass. The natural solution is to make the fittest live longer.

To the person who was saying Christians should stop breading, it's ironic because having tons of kids is a Catholic value. I have seven aunts on my Catholic side who all had three kids.

[hostileEffect]

On the subject of kids and a wife, these days, they are liabilities. I want a decent life in this world and a wife and kids is only going to hinder that. Even having a wife and leaving it at that is probably going to cause me problems.

From what I understand, if your wife ever wanted a divorce and filed a retraining order against you, just to piss you off, any guns you have get taken away. I hope to own a personal armory one day...