D-RH Whitehouse > Drill Advocates

[Crunk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnJAIeEgjSM

[Slypieguy]

If it's not THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE, then they must be wrong for wanting to drill!
:rolleyes:

[Drunkenork]

how could you even understand him with that queer lisp?

[Jackhowitzer]

how could you even understand him with that queer lisp?

I could understand him just fine. Nice try though, having a lisp doesn't make ya gay, IMO what makes someone gay, is by choice, or if your so insecure in your sexuality that you have to stereotype others and call them *** and queer like the poster I just quoted. Good day gentlemen/ladies, another quality post by Jackhowitzer, signing off.

[Slypieguy]

I could understand him just fine. Nice try though, having a lisp doesn't make ya gay, IMO what makes someone gay, is by choice, or if your so insecure in your sexuality that you have to stereotype others and call them *** and queer like the poster I just quoted. Good day gentlemen/ladies, another quality post by Jackhowitzer, signing off.

lol, u have a lisp, don't you?

[Jackhowitzer]

lol, u have a lisp, don't you?

Sometimes, but it's just a speech impediment and I can correct it if I watch myself, but it's just the fact that some ignorant fuck has to come on and comment like that annoys me.

[Drunkenork]

lol. And wow hehehe I must have hit a nerve lol.

[Drunkenork]

Sometimes, but it's just a speech impediment and I can correct it if I watch myself, but it's just the fact that some ignorant fuck has to come on and comment like that pisses me off.

Don't get all butt-hurt.

[Jackhowitzer]

lol. And wow hehehe I must have hit a nerve lol.

Not really, I'd just thought I'd enlighten you about how idiotic your posts are Mr. Troll. I'm as calm as a cucumber, whereas you're getting assraped my self compensating friend.

[Slypieguy]

This thread derailed nicely. I guess there wasn't really anywhere else to go though after i pwned it in my first post

[Jackhowitzer]

IMO Whitehouse is actually right, and no slypie, you did not pwn, you failed, he never said it was wrong for wanting to drill, but there's more important issues, like the economy, not offshore drilling, banks are going to hell at the moment, they should focus on that.

[Slypieguy]

IMO Whitehouse is actually right, and no slypie, you did not pwn, you failed, he never said it was wrong for wanting to drill, but there's more important issues, like the economy, not offshore drilling, banks are going to hell at the moment, they should focus on that.

Um, they are focusing on that. It doesn't mean every member of the federal government needs to drop everything and only work on banking/credit issues. Besides, oil prices are also a pressure on the lagging economy. Energy is certainly in the top 3 issues at the moment and trying to use the bank crisis as something to write off the push for domestic drilling is a pretty pathetic maneuver.

[Jackhowitzer]

No banks=no moneyz storage=no place to put moneyz from energiez. There.

[Slypieguy]

No banks=no moneyz storage=no place to put moneyz from energiez. There.

lol?

[Crunk]

Um, they are focusing on that. It doesn't mean every member of the federal government needs to drop everything and only work on banking/credit issues. Besides, oil prices are also a pressure on the lagging economy. Energy is certainly in the top 3 issues at the moment and trying to use the bank crisis as something to write off the push for domestic drilling is a pretty pathetic maneuver.


Point 1. Banking issues and the collapses of banking/financial institutions trumps any form of an energy "crisis." As confidence in wealth management structures fall apart, you could be wondering where to put you're money to buy that speculatively priced gallon of gas.

Point 2. Oil prices pressures the economy and oil prices fluctuate widely. The market can fix itself in that respect. The market CAN'T fix the banking crisis, the Fed needs to step in further weakening economic conditions which causes short term panic.

Point 3. Domestic drilling is the single most idiotic idea for any solution to energy costs. The most it could do is psychologically effect oil futures. What it will actually do is delay any relief, mask a much large problem with a "solution," and further cement America's need on a non-renewable resource. Anywhere from 5-10 years before any oil we drill starting today reaches the market and by then we will be using so much oil the difference is negligible.

To even suggest drilling as much more than a small part of the overall solution, and then compare that necessity as being more important than addressing the banking crisis causes me to think your brain is trying to trick yourself into feeling smart.

Just goes to show you, eleventy billion posts on a forum doesn't equate to any form of competence in common sense.

[Qikdraw]

Energy is certainly in the top 3 issues at the moment and trying to use the bank crisis as something to write off the push for domestic drilling is a pretty pathetic maneuver.

Pushing the rush to drill as the savior of our energy problems is pretty pathetic too. By the governments own numbers we won't see any of that oil for 20 years.

McCain's plan to do more drilling also makes no guarentees that the oil drilled up will be used for the US market only. Currently the US ships 1.8 million barrels of oil to the open market, oil drilled in the US. Just think if the oil brought up in the US would actually be used for our own use. No, instead it is used to enrich the coffers of the oil industry. McCain's plan is just more of the same handout to the oil companies.

[Slypieguy]

Point 1. Banking issues and the collapses of banking/financial institutions trumps any form of an energy "crisis." As confidence in wealth management structures fall apart, you could be wondering where to put you're money to buy that speculatively priced gallon of gas.


It appears you are making the same mistake as the guy in the video, lol. I agree that the banking crisis is more important than the energy crisis, I'm just not extreme enough to say "zomg drop everything and only work on banks nownownow." We can work on multiple problems at once.



Point 2. Oil prices pressures the economy and oil prices fluctuate widely. The market can fix itself in that respect. The market CAN'T fix the banking crisis, the Fed needs to step in further weakening economic conditions which causes short term panic.


I didn't say the market can fix the banking crisis. And of course it can fix the oil price, but more supply would certainly help at least some. We certainly wouldn't be losing anything by doing it.


Point 3. Domestic drilling is the single most idiotic idea for any solution to energy costs. The most it could do is psychologically effect oil futures. What it will actually do is delay any relief, mask a much large problem with a "solution," and further cement America's need on a non-renewable resource. Anywhere from 5-10 years before any oil we drill starting today reaches the market and by then we will be using so much oil the difference is negligible.

To even suggest drilling as much more than a small part of the overall solution, and then compare that necessity as being more important than addressing the banking crisis causes me to think your brain is trying to trick yourself into feeling smart.


Of course it is only a small part of the solution. The notion that the oil wouldn't be available for 10 years is idiotic. It won't "delay relief" unless you are one of those simple-minded folks who seem to think drilling for domestic oil and furthering alternative energy sources are mutually exclusive, which it appears you are. And again, if you read my previous post, I already said it isn't as important as the banking crisis, but is certainly in the top 3 issues atm.


Just goes to show you, eleventy billion posts on a forum doesn't equate to any form of competence in common sense.

Neither does a conclusory statement attached to a weak personal attack

[Slypieguy]

Pushing the rush to drill as the savior of our energy problems is pretty pathetic too. By the governments own numbers we won't see any of that oil for 20 years.


I didn't ever claim it was a "savior," just that it would be some progress and we have nothing to lose by doing it. And saying we wouldn't see any of that oil for 20 years= LOL


McCain's plan to do more drilling also makes no guarentees that the oil drilled up will be used for the US market only. Currently the US ships 1.8 million barrels of oil to the open market, oil drilled in the US. Just think if the oil brought up in the US would actually be used for our own use. No, instead it is used to enrich the coffers of the oil industry. McCain's plan is just more of the same handout to the oil companies.

Lol, maybe we should just keep moving towards a communist regime and tell the oil companies where they are or arent allowed to sell their oil? And guess what, more oil on the open market still makes the price of oil drop, for everyone....
Especially idiotic part bolded for lulz

[Qikdraw]

I didn't ever claim it was a "savior," just that it would be some progress and we have nothing to lose by doing it. And saying we wouldn't see any of that oil for 20 years= LOL

An analysis performed by the Energy Information Administration (EIA), the independent statistical and analytical agency within the U.S. Department of Energy, found in a report published in 2007 that opening up the outer continental shelf in the Pacific, Atlantic and eastern Gulf regions would result in production no sooner than 2017, and would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil production before 2030.

Link (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/19/MCCAINOIL/)

I never said 'you' said it, but it is the republican mantra as being the saviour of us all. Its what Bush, McCain and Palin say time and time again.

Another interesting thing is that the oil companies already have 68 million acres available to drill in, yet they haven't. Now they are wanting more? For what? So they can sit on that too?

Lol, maybe we should just keep moving towards a communist regime and tell the oil companies where they are or arent allowed to sell their oil? And guess what, more oil on the open market still makes the price of oil drop, for everyone....
Especially idiotic part bolded for lulz

Yes yes yes... The whole communist regime thing... Oh so funny... The canary always brought out of the hat to change the subject. All the while the republicans are bailing out the banking industry. Which is really closer to facism, the merging of corporate and government. Why is it in a 'capitalist' nation we continuesly privatize profits but nationalize debt? We already live in a corporate welfare state. We have for a long time.

If you don't realise how high gas prices have hurt our economy you're pretty naive. Close the Enron loophole, cap gas prices at a maximum of 20% over production and delivery charges and profits are still there and prices are better. Then our economy can grow again. When even Walmart has complained about high gas prices you know the oil companies have gone out of control.

[Surly]

Is drilling for oil the number one issue?

DOESN'T SEEM SO!

Damn, I got you guys so good!

Wait, shit, I forgot... it's definitely in the top 10. Well, fuck you anyway, we should just ignore everything until we can all decide on what is the #1 issue and deal with that first while everything else just festers. Yes, this is a perfect plan. I will be president soon, for I am from Rhode Island, and I represent a lot of people.

[Paganini]

If we start drilling in ANWR tomorrow, the price of gasoline will temporarily drop by 4 cents per gallon in about ten years

And contrary to popular belief, only one of our top 5 importers of oil/natural gas is from the Middle East.

[Surly]

If we start drilling in ANWR tomorrow, the price of gasoline will temporarily drop by 4 cents per gallon in about ten years

And contrary to popular belief, only one of our top 5 importers of oil/natural gas is from the Middle East.
The scare of a possible oil pipeline maybe possibly sometime soon being destroyed or blocked, or OPEC merely considering raising prices leads to 20-40 cent fluctuations... but drilling for oil here only does 4 cents in 10 years?

[Slypieguy]

The scare of a possible oil pipeline maybe possibly sometime soon being destroyed or blocked, or OPEC merely considering raising prices leads to 20-40 cent fluctuations... but drilling for oil here only does 4 cents in 10 years?

Shhhh, it's Pelosinomics.

[Slypieguy]

Link (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/19/MCCAINOIL/)


And there have been other "studies" that said it would be available in 3 years, 5 years, etc. They don't fucking know, and the bottom line is, it doesn't even matter. New oil in the gas tank doesn't move the futures markets, news of new oil coming to the gas tank does. It gets priced in when it's announced, not when it's actually being used.


I never said 'you' said it, but it is the republican mantra as being the saviour of us all. Its what Bush, McCain and Palin say time and time again.


Ok... I'm not sure where you thinking bringing the "republican mantra" into this conversation will get you, but have fun.


Another interesting thing is that the oil companies already have 68 million acres available to drill in, yet they haven't. Now they are wanting more? For what? So they can sit on that too?


Maybe because it isn't economically feasible for them to do so? That land doesn't have enough/any oil or some other factor is in the way? If big oil makes such obscene profits as so many people who use the same talking points you are claim they do, wouldn't they be tripping over themselves to be drilling in these 68 million acres to make even more??


Yes yes yes... The whole communist regime thing... Oh so funny... The canary always brought out of the hat to change the subject. All the while the republicans are bailing out the banking industry. Which is really closer to facism, the merging of corporate and government. Why is it in a 'capitalist' nation we continuesly privatize profits but nationalize debt? We already live in a corporate welfare state. We have for a long time.


Again pointing to the GOP like it's relevant to the discussion. I don't agree with those bailouts. But does two wrongs make a right? If government steps into one place where it shouldn't be that makes it ok to step in somewhere else it shouldn't be? You seem to agree that the government doesn't need to be taking steps towards controlling the oil industry, so why justify such actions by pointing at some other bad policy from the other political party? Doesn't even make sense.


If you don't realise how high gas prices have hurt our economy you're pretty naive. Close the Enron loophole, cap gas prices at a maximum of 20% over production and delivery charges and profits are still there and prices are better. Then our economy can grow again. When even Walmart has complained about high gas prices you know the oil companies have gone out of control.

Where the hell did this come from? Of course I realize how it has hurt the economy, which is why I have been saying in this thread that we can't ignore the energy problem just because there also exists a banking problem :bang:

[Paganini]

The scare of a possible oil pipeline maybe possibly sometime soon being destroyed or blocked, or OPEC merely considering raising prices leads to 20-40 cent fluctuations... but drilling for oil here only does 4 cents in 10 years?

After doing more research it looks like 4 cents is the hopeful estimate. Seriously. (http://jec.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=b35ece00-81a5-4ac9-9020-cd6d27ca5cf4)

[Slypieguy]

After doing more research it looks like 4 cents is the hopeful estimate. Seriously. (http://jec.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=b35ece00-81a5-4ac9-9020-cd6d27ca5cf4)

You can find all the "expert opinions" you want, the fact is, no one knows what the hell kind of impact it would have. I don't think you'll find many experts who would have said in 2005 that the dow jones would be no higher after 3 years time. The more important question to ask here is this: what do we lose by drilling domestically. The answer is nothing. What do we gain? More jobs, more money into the US economy, and a chance that oil prices will come down some.

[Crunk]

The core argument here is that drilling for oil has nothing to do with lowering gas prices and everything to do with lining the most lucrative sector in the entire US with record profits as politicians pretend to be concerned.

When gas prices are a major concern and negatively effecting consumer discretionary income right now - How do we expect relief when we export a record 1.6 million barrels of oil a day to other countries (http://www.cnbc.com/id/25518912)?

Let's let the gravity of that little fact sink in...
...

And it just begs the question: Where is the oil promised from the invasion of Iraq for the rebuilding costs? Going to you know who (http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=5673202).

Just follow the piped piper and believe in what proponents of oil drilling contend as they stand the most to gain and we stand the most to pay for their tax breaks.

Your silly stance of suggesting drilling will equal better anything holds as much water as the debt chairs on the Titanic equaling a fun trip.

Drilling should not be on the top 10 things to do, it barely belongs in the category of remotely beneficial choices. Who's leading the way in next gen fuel technologies? If you think of America, think rather of the stock prices of Ford and GM.

I figure I'd stop here because delousing your counter points this effectively must be causing your eyes to glaze over with that freshly lobotomized look.

[LordTenacious]

When gas prices are a major concern and negatively effecting consumer discretionary income right now - How do we expect relief when we export a record 1.6 million barrels of oil a day to other countries (http://www.cnbc.com/id/25518912)?


The key word in that article is "refined petroleum products".

I don't expect you to realize what those are but believe it or not, not everywhere has gigantic refineries. Places like the Caribbean, Canada, and Mexico get their refined petroleum (gasoline, jet fuel, etc.) from us because they do not have the facilities to refine oil (or enough, anyways) into usable products.

However, you can keep pushing this "DRILLING BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD!" agenda all day long if you wish. I think it's kinda sad when we come up with all this safe drilling technology but we are the only country that doesn't use it because we are a bunch of pussies.

[Slypieguy]

The core argument here is that drilling for oil has nothing to do with lowering gas prices and everything to do with lining the most lucrative sector in the entire US with record profits as politicians pretend to be concerned.

When gas prices are a major concern and negatively effecting consumer discretionary income right now - How do we expect relief when we export a record 1.6 million barrels of oil a day to other countries (http://www.cnbc.com/id/25518912)?

Let's let the gravity of that little fact sink in...
...

And it just begs the question: Where is the oil promised from the invasion of Iraq for the rebuilding costs? Going to you know who (http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=5673202).

Just follow the piped piper and believe in what proponents of oil drilling contend as they stand the most to gain and we stand the most to pay for their tax breaks.

Your silly stance of suggesting drilling will equal better anything holds as much water as the debt chairs on the Titanic equaling a fun trip.

Drilling should not be on the top 10 things to do, it barely belongs in the category of remotely beneficial choices. Who's leading the way in next gen fuel technologies? If you think of America, think rather of the stock prices of Ford and GM.

I figure I'd stop here because delousing your counter points this effectively must be causing your eyes to glaze over with that freshly lobotomized look.

Um, you didn't even address any of my points, except by making a bunch of assertions with nothing to back them up but your personal opinion. If you don't think domestic drilling would move oil futures, you are truly dense. A single oil facility in Nigeria having fears of a rebel attack can move the price, but a massive effort by the US to drill more wouldn't? It's those Pelosinomics shining through again. And way to bring American auto making into the discussion, how completely irrelevant. Pretty much nothing you said has anything to do with the discussion except for a few conclusory generalizations backed by absolutely nothing.

If you would like to go back and quote the things I said and actually give a relevant response, be my guest. L2forumfall

[Crunk]

America drilling for oil to relieve anything is a farce. A fallacy in economics and if you still blindly believe the GOP talking points of how beneficial it is to drill, drill, drill, while suffering opportunity costs in alternative fuels, your density is approaching white dwarf status.

I didn't address your points? So you're just going to play dumb? Why don't you nutcup faceless corportations more who put tear jerking commercials of how much they care about you.

1. Fuel efficiency in American cars is pathetic, Oil demand keeps rising as a result.
2. U.S. demand for oil is approaching 25ish million barrels per day.
3. To put consumption into context 3 billion barrels of oil would supply to U.S. alone for 6 months. That sounds like a helluva long term plan.

Even if they hit a big oil reserve, which they have in the past (Prudhoe Bay), guess who's going to profit the most, gouge the prices the most, and buy back their own stock because they don't know what to do with the money while gas prices barely move.

Have domestic gas prices been greatly affected by Prudhoe Bay? No, because our consumption rises so exponentially fast that by the time the gas reaches the market the effect is small. Rinse, wash, and repeat.

I'll say again, drilling is not in the best interest of the public on any front. It's a remote interest in left field, but should only be included so the GOP lobbyists will shut the hell up while some real long term progress is made. Relying on a non-renewable resource as if it's a cornerstone of a comprehensive energy package both make me wonder how slack-jawed you really are.

Should drilling be in an energy package? Sure, like you say, why not? Is it even close to what we need to concentrating on to actually make a difference? Hell-to-the-no.

[Uzik]

Has no one here heard about what happened when the US was a few years away from producing oil from coal?


Anyone who believes that oil prices only have to do with the current supply are about as smart as pelosi.

[Slypieguy]

Has no one here heard about what happened when the US was a few years away from producing oil from coal?


Anyone who believes that oil prices only have to do with the current supply are about as smart as pelosi.

I'll just quote this. Apparently that guy is about as smart as Pelosi. I wonder if he even knows what a futures market is.