Darkfall and the PvP monster...

[Ghormaug]

I think the first few weeks will be just a big pk fest..everyone killing everyone and what not. I hope it calms down a bit after that. I love pvp, but I usually try to play with others as I would want to be treated, therefore, I don't pk much unless the other player is being an ass.

I really think this game will work however, as its a skill based game. People wont necessarily attack someone else right away because they won't know their "level" right away. You won't know if the guy you are attacking has 25 in swords, or is a grandmaster, for example. A skill base system makes the pvp system work in my opinion and levels is why pvp servers for a level based game seem to have failed in the past.

Having been a hardcore UO player in the past, and reading these forums for several months (haven't posted much though), I really think those who are very concerned about being pked all the time should put their mind to ease. There may be times when you get pked alot, but it works itself out. People may not attack you right away cause they don't know how strong you are...this is why the pvp system works.

I'm excited about the game mainly because its skill based. My only complaint is you can only have one character and I have altitist, but I do think the point of only having one character does instill some responsibility on the player in that they cant be an ass all the time--and/or if they are, they will probably face the consequences as they can only log on that one guy instead of just hopping on a alt. Can't wait till the game comes out!

[thekornplant]

i don't think DF will ever be a pk fest. alignment prevents this. the more you pk the more you have to go under and hide, trade only in free cities, your practically a target to most people. living as a pker in DF will be hard you can't make it alone and at the beginning i really doubt there will be too many pkers. i think there will be more after time passes and raiding clans will be strong enough. as you already said there is a high risk involved because you can't really know how good or bad the opponent is since you don't have a box with his lvl to guide you.

[yamisniper]

i don't think DF will ever be a pk fest. alignment prevents this. the more you pk the more you have to go under and hide, trade only in free cities, your practically a target to most people. living as a pker in DF will be hard you can't make it alone and at the beginning i really doubt there will be too many pkers. i think there will be more after time passes and raiding clans will be strong enough. as you already said there is a high risk involved because you can't really know how good or bad the opponent is since you don't have a box with his lvl to guide you.

yep darkfall devs have thought this through

[Darksheitan]

I will be PK'ing from day one.

[Valdsator]

i don't think DF will ever be a pk fest. alignment prevents this. the more you pk the more you have to go under and hide, trade only in free cities, your practically a target to most people. living as a pker in DF will be hard you can't make it alone and at the beginning i really doubt there will be too many pkers. i think there will be more after time passes and raiding clans will be strong enough. as you already said there is a high risk involved because you can't really know how good or bad the opponent is since you don't have a box with his lvl to guide you.

People will most likely PK tons for a week, delete their bad reputation characters, start new ones and then go do other stuff.

[Brenelael]

People will most likely PK tons for a week, delete their bad reputation characters, start new ones and then go do other stuff.

Yeah, I also see people PKing the first week or two until they realize what a bad idea it is then this will mellow out. There will always be some PKers as there are in all open PvP games but when the game stabilizes and people get used to how the alignment system works it won't be as wide spread as some fear it will.

Bren

[DarkCrusader]

People will most likely PK tons for a week, delete their bad reputation characters, start new ones and then go do other stuff.

I agree with you on this, I love the bad and good reputation system that they are putting in. Since DF is not based on items so much, wont be alot of reason to pk to much just for those people who love to to pk.:bang:

[eBawls]

I will be PK'ing from day one.

As will i, Ork friend.

Also keep in mind guys, alignment. If you're character is an Ork for example, and you see a puny Dwarf. You may kill it with no mercy. There would be no alignment penalties.

[Gestas]

Killing my way out of the starting area for loot. then running off into the wilderness to learn magick from the elements.

[Brenelael]

Also keep in mind guys, alignment. If you're character is an Ork for example, and you see a puny Dwarf. You may kill it with no mercy. There would be no alignment penalties.

This is true but I look at this as more PvP than straight out PKing. The world will be huge so if someone is truly worried about getting killed they could just stay well within their allied races homelands. This way they would only have to really worry about a few Pkers roaming around and only the occasional enemy war party. I see what you're saying happening mostly to people who stray too close to an enemy's territory then they are just asking for it anyways.

Bren

[Powster]

I dont think there will be that much same race random killing..

[ikhoefnix]

I think a lot of people will be pking for the first few weeks, then re-roll when they find it hard to be a negatively aligned player. Lol

edit: someone's got to figure out how many kills you need before you can't go back into your town. people will get curious.

[Finishthis]

I think that I won't necessarily be a "Pk fest" But it will be very easy to kill skillers in the beginning as even though you might not know their level. It can't be very high, especially if they've been skilling.

[Adrasteia]

I see same race pking happening a bit though once the game has been going for a while,but only if you alignment goes up for killing enemies. If that is so, people with a high enough alignment will choose to take the hit for killing friendlies because they can afford it. If this is how the system works, I'll gladly be killing anyone who looks worth it.

[Realbigdeal22]

PVP monster :lmao:

[Boltzmann]

What will actually happen:

First weeks - PK fest

After that - People will get rare items and realize how precious they are, so they will try to avoid fighting. Some people will reroll to start a "new life" with neutral reputation.

The end - People will notice that they can just reroll when reputation makes it hard and because it is a skill game, they only need a crappy sword to PK, so rerolling won't mess around PKing.

This is, ofcourse, if the game is as skill-based as they say.

[womble]

If you can have a "reputation" with your "friendly" faction that is higher than baseline, I hope that it will be decreased by a proportion, or a flat number whichever is greater, when you kill a "friend". Just because you've (as a human) killed 20 dragons and a horde of orcs and goblins doesn't mean that public opinion will necessarily stand for you killing a score of your "friends"...

[Xez]

i'm curious if one is able to get a positive allignment at other factions for killing his own race.

so you got this retarded ork/alfar born in the body of a mirdain. sure those folks will have a hard time. but do you think it is possible for a mirdain to get a positive alignment in alfar/ork/mahirim factions so he's able to play with his mindbrothers?

[Saishy]

Well, nobody though someone can choose Alfair and kill anything that isn't a Alfair without alligment penalty?

[tejón]

i'm curious if one is able to get a positive allignment at other factions for killing his own race.

so you got this retarded ork/alfar born in the body of a mirdain. sure those folks will have a hard time. but do you think it is possible for a mirdain to get a positive alignment in alfar/ork/mahirim factions so he's able to play with his mindbrothers?
Nope. To them, you'll always just be mirdain scum. Might be able to convince a clan to let you in, but not the race in general.

[Mhorham]

We will be upholding the integrity of the kingdom of Mercia against all those who would walk in the shadow. And I expect that will make us a target within 5 seconds of character creation.

[Saishy]

I will make an assasin archer, but I will only hunt criminals and those beasts like alfairs, orks and Mahirims.

[Jonkar]

I'll spent the first few hours PKing and PvPing in the starter area until I have enough gold to create my clan.

After that, I'll go do quests and explore.

[Fuligin]

I will hang around the starting camps pwning nubs all dayLOLOLOLOL

... yeah, that was a joke...

I'll PK who I feel like PKing, but I'm not one for overdoing it. I think...

We shall see!

[Teufell]

I dont think there will be that much same race random killing..

Every ARC out there will be doing this exact thing, and I'm hoping for it. The only thing I will not kill is someone of my clan. I don't care about racial penalties, it will get worked off quick enough.

[thekornplant]

in my opinion PKing in the start area will just make you delete your char faster, there will surely be a player who got his copy faster and who played enough to get his skills higher then you and you will be sure to wind up dead because one of the newbies will ask for help. so i doubt anybody will be able to make much money raiding newbies.

[Mhorham]

Yea after you kill a handfull of friendlies for loot and then go to sell at a vendor you might be in for a surprise ;)

[kizer2]

What will actually happen:


This is, ofcourse, if the game is as skill-based as they say.

games are usually some what item based... otherwise why kill bosses?? why craft new item?? item will always play some sort of role:idea:

[Lethn]

As people here have said I think people are going to have an orgasm of violence because they've been put through shitty games for so long, I'm sure eventually though things will calm down and get to normal, I certainly feel that the worlds been denied sandbox games for too long really, hopefully if Darkfall is a sucess ( looking at the member count it may well be ) then other developers will start seeing the potential of the old sandbox games again.

[yamisniper]

i'm curious if one is able to get a positive allignment at other factions for killing his own race.

so you got this retarded ork/alfar born in the body of a mirdain. sure those folks will have a hard time. but do you think it is possible for a mirdain to get a positive alignment in alfar/ork/mahirim factions so he's able to play with his mindbrothers?

nope youll be red to everyone XD

[yamisniper]

I'll spent the first few hours PKing and PvPing in the starter area until I have enough gold to create my clan.

After that, I'll go do quests and explore.

i hope the guards kill you lol

im running far away xD even tho imight pvp for fun

[KruniacZio]

Notos exist solely to be obliterated by alliances of Reds. SOME people will tone the PKing down - I dont intend to. The only reason not to kill someone is to interact or trade with them. Other than that, you have things that I want, and I'm taking them.

Every Red from UO can understand this concept. Hopefully we'll get an alliance kicking, and commit genocide on the notos. :)

[thekornplant]

get that alliance working quickly before you attack the wrong person and get pwned :))

[KruniacZio]

get that alliance working quickly before you attack the wrong person and get pwned :))

Yeah. Tradition is to GM a weapon skill before trying to pawn a carebear. However, since this will be a new game, I'll break tradition and just pick on people who dont have weapons.

And, totally off-topic, I almost wet myself when I saw magic on gametrailers.com

[thekornplant]

well then good luck with that i'll be keeping an eye out for you when i'm a newbie :))

[Jester814]

There is actually a penalty system in game that should prevent rampant PKing. We'll see.

[Lachrymose]

There is actually a penalty system in game that should prevent rampant PKing. We'll see.

exactly. i don't get why people think everyone is going to be running around pking everyone they see. the noobs will pk a few times and once they go red, they'll realize it was a mistake b/c now they can't hide in cities. then they'll be forced to re-roll a bluebie.

[saki630]

This thread makes no sense to me.

They say you can level purely off PVP with no need to PVE. PVP = PK, becuase you don't pk a mob you mk (mob kill LOL ). My understanding is that PK = teh b@d, so i don't see it benefiting your leveling. So if u dont want to PvE, u have to wait until wars start, or spam pvp requests that no one will accept?

Are they making everyone into a PvE player?:(

[Calibos]

This thread makes no sense to me.

They say you can level purely off PVP with no need to PVE. PVP = PK, becuase you don't pk a mob you mk (mob kill LOL ). My understanding is that PK = teh b@d, so i don't see it benefiting your leveling. So if u dont want to PvE, u have to wait until wars start, or spam pvp requests that no one will accept?

Are they making everyone into a PvE player?:(


Roll an Alfar if you want to kill basically anyone you see without penalty from the game itself.

[Reaper1122]

It would only make sense to attack enemy factions. Or else your gonna have a horrible time with the guards when they hate you.

[Curcio]

Killing my way out of the starting area for loot. then running off into the wilderness to learn magick from the elements.
You and me both. I'll see you there if we go in the same forest! :D

[nathanpinard]

This game isn't anti-pvp at all. The way the alignment is set up should work quite well. it's not the 1 side vs 1 side thing you get in other MMO's. Some factions are at war with all or some other factions to my understanding.

And PK'ing I think you get a hit if they are in the same race/faction.

[Soulcullers]

This thread makes no sense to me.

They say you can level purely off PVP with no need to PVE. PVP = PK, becuase you don't pk a mob you mk (mob kill LOL ). My understanding is that PK = teh b@d, so i don't see it benefiting your leveling. So if u dont want to PvE, u have to wait until wars start, or spam pvp requests that no one will accept?

Are they making everyone into a PvE player?:(


I'm sure this has been said already, but hell, once again just for good measure. There are no pvp requests. It's free, for all, pvp. You can kill anyone at any time. "PK" is part of the game.

[Woodiwood]

Killing my way out of the starting area for loot. then running off into the wilderness to learn magick from the elements.


Think I'll do something like that.

[warryck]

Hmmm, this game is full pvp, so... it will be full of pk, i don't really understand what is the point here.
There's something you haven't mentionned, pkers will have a very hard life because of their karma...
Moreover i'm sure there will be a lot of guild tracking those pkers everywhere.

[ZeusEngine]

I'm sure this has been said already, but hell, once again just for good measure. There are no pvp requests. It's free, for all, pvp. You can kill anyone at any time. "PK" is part of the game.

I believe that the previous poster meant to refer to the group request. While in a group your alignment isn't affected by attacks made on your group members. That being said...

This thread makes no sense to me.

They say you can level purely off PVP with no need to PVE. PVP = PK, becuase you don't pk a mob you mk (mob kill LOL ). My understanding is that PK = teh b@d, so i don't see it benefiting your leveling. So if u dont want to PvE, u have to wait until wars start, or spam pvp requests that no one will accept?

Are they making everyone into a PvE player?:(

PK != teh b@d
PKing your own race and allies is what results in a negative alignment. Also, it's possible to PK your own clan members without receiving an alignment penalty. This opens up the possibility of war games within a clan. I don't know if the game mechanics allow you to increase your skills through intra-clan warfare however.

[Daehak]

Found an exeption a lot of people will be joining clans so they have somewhere semi "safe" to go to and obviosly in order to get "free" skill advances some clans will declare war I know i'll be declaring war with my mighty clan of 2 people

[Painweaver]

Who cares about alignment? Peeeeekay!