more than 2 clans in a declared war?

[lancegaydon]

Is it possible for 3 or more clans to get into a battle? If 1 clan is attacking another clan city, can a third clan that is just passing by jump in and start attacking everyone?

[Prol]

Is it possible for 3 or more clans to get into a battle? If 1 clan is attacking another clan city, can a third clan that is just passing by jump in and start attacking everyone?

I think that it is a wrong question.
Anybody can attack anybody. Any can attack clan city.

[lancegaydon]

I think that it is a wrong question.
Anybody can attack anybody. Any can attack clan city.
It might be wrong, but I thought you could declare war one another clan which would allow for a clear winner to be declared. So clan A declares on clan B and they fight, clan C comes to port and starts in as well but are not part of the original war declaration. If that makes any sense :s

[Prol]

It might be wrong, but I thought you could declare war one another clan which would allow for a clear winner to be declared. So clan A declares on clan B and they fight, clan C comes to port and starts in as well but are not part of the original war declaration. If that makes any sense :s

I think, that no war declaration in DF.
If clan A claimed territory, build city and gather tax from city vendors, that anybody clan can attack. Who clanmaster faster take control on citystone, he is new city owner.

[Bronn]

Anyone can attack anyone at any time. But you get either good alignment or bad depending who you kill.

Clans can declare war on each other and kill each other repeatedly for no alignment hits..even if of the same race.

I'm not sure more then 2 clans can be in a war.

Edit: And the war doesn't end, i believe, til both sides agree to a peace treaty. Thats my understanding of it.

[Prol]

Bwahaha!!!

Real warriors despise alignment.
Enemys should be die without conditions.

[pkslayde]

Clans just attack at eachother at any time. so a war declaration system would be stupid. Clan A: wanna fight. Clan B: no. Clan A kills B anyways. Then while clan a is week clan c attacks them before they have the time to recharge.

[Bronn]

Clans just attack at eachother at any time. so a war declaration system would be stupid. Clan A: wanna fight. Clan B: no. Clan A kills B anyways. Then while clan a is week clan c attacks them before they have the time to recharge.


Aye that can easily happen and probably will. I didn't look for the quote but im pretty sure clan war is still in. I think its mainly for 2 clans of the same race that wanna kill each other but not take an alignment hit.

[Prol]

In DF NO war declaration.

If you are great roleplayer, you can send ahead of the army of the herald and declare war orally

[Bronn]

Hrmm...its possible i can be mildly retarded this morning and way off. I need to re-read all the info again. Too many games on my mind, maybe i'm confusing a couple games information. :eek:

Anyone have a quote handy? If i find one referring it ill link it.

[Bronn]

Quote (Thanks to Beal from DF forums for finding this one): Yes, Guild A can declare war on Guild B and Guild B can be of any race, even same race guild. When two warring guilds fight one another there will be no alignment penalty.

See im not retarded this morning.

Hooray for Bronn!

[Prol]

Basic principle of PvP in DF - friendly fire.
Alignment it is important only for racial NPC-guards which will attack negative characters in relation to them.

You can be megaPKer, have negative alignment to any race and have positive alignment to other race. It has no value.

The unique exception is sparring in a clan. Sparring in a clan does not change yours alinment, if you kill your clanmate sparring-partner

[maestrozen]

War dec is in, I quote Tasos:
[cut]who may have attacked you without impunity if you were in a clan they were at war with.

War dec is useful to avoid alignment hit, that's why is in.

Ciap

[Prol]

War dec is in, I quote Tasos:
[cut]who may have attacked you without impunity if you were in a clan they were at war with.

War dec is useful to avoid alignment hit, that's why is in.

Ciap

Carebears feature :o(((

War dec generates irresponsibility of players. In UO if has killed dark blue - receive kill, and run from guards. And here it turns out that it is possible to wave a sabre irresponsibly.

[Kemintiri]

Carebears feature :o(((

War dec generates irresponsibility of players. In UO if has killed dark blue - receive kill, and run from guards. And here it turns out that it is possible to wave a sabre irresponsibly.
Well, if your clan was in a war with that person's clan, those characters would be orange, and thus, no alignment hit.

Clan wars are the way to go.
There is no alignment hit in a clan war, but that doesn't deny full loot or anything else.

[Krogan]

Carebears feature :o(((

War dec generates irresponsibility of players. In UO if has killed dark blue - receive kill, and run from guards. And here it turns out that it is possible to wave a sabre irresponsibly.

Honestly Prol you are what I categorize as a carebear pvper, anything that complicates things for you call carebear when the fact is just that you have consequences for your actions just like in real life. But as it is for all carebear pvpers they find this to challenging and don't like it when pvp gets to hard for them. You must realize that the alignment system will add more challange to them game right?

So please just because you are to carebear to handle anything more involving then random killing doesn't make others that want a deeper experience, carebears.

[Shane]

Honestly Prol you are what I categorize as a carebear pvper, anything that complicates things for you call carebear when the fact is just that you have consequences for your actions just like in real life. But as it is for all carebear pvpers they find this to challenging and don't like it when pvp gets to hard for them. You must realize that the alignment system will add more challange to them game right?

So please just because you are to carebear to handle anything more involving then random killing doesn't make others that want a deeper experience, carebears.

I agree completely. The meaning of a "declaration of war" stands for two things:

1) Honor: You are not a petty thief who just wants to go on a murder spree. If you don't declare war, those around you will find you and your clan as a bunch of nomads bent on death, so why wouldn't they hate you?

2) The current setup is you can only destroy one building a day without a declaration of war. Declare it and decimate!

[alfaroverall]

In DF NO war declaration.

If you are great roleplayer, you can send ahead of the army of the herald and declare war orally
There is indeed war declaration. It's there to prevent alignment hits involving kills of enemies within your faction and is probably necessary to use a challenge shard, meaning that you'll need to use it to start a siege.

Anyway, I don't see why you couldn't have this scenario:
Clan A declares war on Clan B.
Clan A starts a siege.
Clan A struggles through but looks to be just about to win the siege.
Clan C declares war on Clan B (not necessarily Clan A)
Clan C clears Clan A out of the siege and finishes up the capture of Clan B's city.
Clan C takes Clan B's city.
Clan C makes peace with Clan B.

If you couldn't have this scenario, a lot of scenarios that people really want to see (such as an ally helping you in a siege) will not be able to happen. So we should be able to see this, even if some people might consider it a bit of a cheap shot.

[Prol]

Honestly Prol you are what I categorize as a carebear pvper, anything that complicates things for you call carebear when the fact is just that you have consequences for your actions just like in real life. But as it is for all carebear pvpers they find this to challenging and don't like it when pvp gets to hard for them. You must realize that the alignment system will add more challange to them game right?

So please just because you are to carebear to handle anything more involving then random killing doesn't make others that want a deeper experience, carebears.

LoL - Lot of Letters

[Shane]

Clan A declares war on Clan C.
Clan C declares war on Clan A.
Clan B hates clan A and Clan C, so they find this perfect opportunity to engage both and declares war.
Clan A and C then declare war on clan B.

A vs. B vs. C

[Prol]

No need war declaration.

Which clanmaster take control citystone of 30 minutes - he own this city.

The policy is a real ability of clanmaster will agree with allies and opponents.

Any attempt to formalize treachery of friends, insidiousness of enemies and nobleness of allies is doomed to a failure.

[Shane]

No need war declaration.

Which clanmaster take control citystone of 30 minutes - he own this city.

The policy is a real ability of clanmaster will agree with allies and opponents.

Any attempt to formalize treachery of friends, insidiousness of enemies and nobleness of allies is doomed to a failure.

You contradict yourself.

"Any attempt to formalize treachery of friends, insidiousness of enemies and nobleness of allies is doomed to a failure". If you don't declare war, you're doing JUST that. You formalize treachery and you look like a goon.

Thusly, the server will perceive you as a goon because you didn't at least give any "official" forewarning.

[alfaroverall]

No need war declaration.

Which clanmaster take control citystone of 30 minutes - he own this city.

The policy is a real ability of clanmaster will agree with allies and opponents.

Any attempt to formalize treachery of friends, insidiousness of enemies and nobleness of allies is doomed to a failure.
God dammit, you made me actually go to google to show you this:
http://news.curse.com/details/1130/
http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/devjournals/darkfalljournals/3328-Darkfall-Developer-Journal-4-Odds-Ends

[Baal/Mrheat]

War dec is in, I quote Tasos:
[cut]who may have attacked you without impunity if you were in a clan they were at war with.

War dec is useful to avoid alignment hit, that's why is in.

Ciap

Yes if u wanna attack a SAME race clan u will need to war their guild first to avoid alignment hit.

Darkfall aint no crap AoC peice of shit game where u have to ask the other guild for a date to have a war.

[Signus]

Clans just attack at eachother at any time. so a war declaration system would be stupid. Clan A: wanna fight. Clan B: no. Clan A kills B anyways. Then while clan a is week clan c attacks them before they have the time to recharge.

Well too bad, because war declarations are in the game.

I think, that no war declaration in DF.
If clan A claimed territory, build city and gather tax from city vendors, that anybody clan can attack. Who clanmaster faster take control on citystone, he is new city owner.

Please, don't spout information at noobs you aren't sure of. There is war declaration.

I believe what it comes down to is for city siege purposes. I THINK (someone can back me up) You need to have a declaration of war to take over an enemy city. Though anyone can help in the fight, you can't claim it, and you might not even be able to attack the city itself.

[Prol]

If you don't declare war, you're doing JUST that.

Why?

Citystone locate in cityhall.

Guards attack any to whom the input in cityhall is restricted.

I can with friends went to city, kill guards and hold on half an hour while possession of it citystone will pass to me. I do not need to declare war, I can attack during any time convenient for me.

You see attack on cityhall in trailer, where clanmaster of attackers take control on citystone

[alfaroverall]

Why?

Citystone locate in cityhall.

Guards attack any to whom the input in cityhall is restricted.

I can with friends went to city, kill guards and hold on half an hour while possession of it citystone will pass to me. I do not need to declare war, I can attack during any time convenient for me.

You see attack on cityhall in trailer, where clanmaster of attackers take control on citystone
It doesn't involve sitting in front of the thing for half an hour. It's much more complex than that, as the two links I just sent you show. Don't say things that you don't fucking know.

[Prol]

It doesn't involve sitting in front of the thing for half an hour. It's much more complex than that, as the two links I just sent you show. Don't say things that you don't fucking know.

:lmao:

So, well...

Let's not argue, we will wait beta

[alfaroverall]

:lmao:

So, well...

Let's not argue, we will wait beta
There's nothing to argue about! This feature has been thoroughly discussed by the devs. There are only a select handful of questions still present (such as "does it still take time to weaken the clanstone? if so, how long?") but the fundamental mechanics are not in that handful. If you'd do some reading before you post BS in newcomer's discussion you'd know that.

Off-topic: posting incorrect things in newcomer's discussion should be a bannable offense. Anyone agree?

[Prol]

For example, in Eve Online corpleader can set corp standing negative to other corporation and her members can kill foes anywhere. No war declaration. No herald. No bureacratizm. No limitation.

Freedom of peace is a freedom of war.

[alfaroverall]

For example, in Eve Online corpleader can set corp standing negative to other corporation and her members can kill foes anywhere. No war declaration. No herald. No bureacratizm. No limitation.

Freedom of peace is a freedom of war.
That's a completely different game and the mechanics don't work the same way in Darkfall. Also, for the record, setting negative standing doesn't allow you to kill people in high sec in EVE; declaring war does.

[Prol]

Off-topic: posting incorrect things in newcomer's discussion should be a bannable offense. Anyone agree?

I do not agree

[Prol]

That's a completely different game and the mechanics don't work the same way in Darkfall. Also, for the record, setting negative standing doesn't allow you to kill people in high sec in EVE; declaring war does.


War declaration in Eve need only for war in higsecs.

No safezones like highsecs in DF. No need war declaration.

[alfaroverall]

I do not agree
Of course you don't, since you've done the same thing just today and it would get you banned, thereby stopping you from having any remote chance of getting into beta.
No safezones like highsecs in DF
1. It was a point that was solely with respect to EVE. Please learn to read in context.
2. NPC cities are basically high sec in DF. NPCs with ridiculous power will kill you if you try to attack people there...but you can attack them anyway if you wish.

On your edit: yes you do need war declaration to start a siege, most likely.

Also, you're clearly a troll, which is a bannable offense on these forums.

[Prol]

2. NPC cities are basically high sec in DF. NPCs with ridiculous power will kill you if you try to attack people there...

It not so. If the ork comes to capital of human any dwarf can attack such ork and guards will help to kill an ork.

If the mirdain comes to capital of mahirim, any ork attacks the mirdain and guards will help orc to kill the mirdain.

[maestrozen]

I can with friends went to city, kill guards and hold on half an hour while possession of it citystone will pass to me. I do not need to declare war, I can attack during any time convenient for me.


No way man, they already said sieges (because you are, in fact, talking about a siege) will occur at a given time to avoid exactly what you are saying. It's stupid to allow capture at 4 a.m., this is a game, we all work/study, we cannot defend our cities 24/7.

Ciap

[Prol]

Racial capital city is not safezones.
War is already declared. War already goes between three alliances of races. It is not required to declare war when war already goes.

[Prol]

No way man, they already said sieges (because you are, in fact, talking about a siege) will occur at a given time to avoid exactly what you are saying. It's stupid to allow capture at 4 a.m., this is a game, we all work/study, we cannot defend our cities 24/7.

Ciap

For city defence it is possible to employ NPC-guards. Or to invite in a clan of North Americans and Chineses.

[maestrozen]

Racial capital city is not safezones.
War is already declared. War already goes between three alliances of races. It is not required to declare war when war already goes.

Let's try with an example. I have a clan of orks and I want to fight against another clan of orks. Without war dec I cannot kill them in our capital city because guards will kill me plus I'll take an alignment hit. With war dec I can kill orks of the other clan in the capital and without alignment hit. Is it clear now?

Ciap

[Prol]

Let's try with an example. I have a clan of orks and I want to fight against another clan of orks. Without war dec I cannot kill them in our capital city because guards will kill me plus I'll take an alignment hit. With war dec I can kill orks of the other clan in the capital and without alignment hit. Is it clear now?

Ciap

Well... orks always were famous for mad ideas to burn the own capital, to leave in wood and to run wild...

[alfaroverall]

It not so. If the ork comes to capital of human any dwarf can attack such ork and guards will help to kill an ork.

If the mirdain comes to capital of mahirim, any ork attacks the mirdain and guards will help orc to kill the mirdain.
Situations where someone of an opposing faction walks into a city are not what I was referring to. God, you've got the worst reading comprehension of anyone that I've ever met, and it's not even because of a real language barrier, since your English isn't that awful!

Seriously though man, just shut the fuck up. There are war declarations that are necessary to have outright conflicts between player clans and to capture other clans' cities and hamlets. That's a raw fact, whether you like it or not.

[Signus]

Why?

Citystone locate in cityhall.

Guards attack any to whom the input in cityhall is restricted.

I can with friends went to city, kill guards and hold on half an hour while possession of it citystone will pass to me. I do not need to declare war, I can attack during any time convenient for me.

You see attack on cityhall in trailer, where clanmaster of attackers take control on citystone


Wh...what?? Where the hell are you getting this crap from? Are you writing a novel or something? First you were wrong about there being no declaration of war in Darkfall, that already shot your credibility. This is just digging it deeper. Nothing that you just said is true.

If there was no war declaration, then what would be the point of that old quote saying if you declare war on someone, all your cities become siegable to anyone? According to you, they've always been.

[Signus]

For city defence it is possible to employ NPC-guards. Or to invite in a clan of North Americans and Chineses.

Again, more untrue information. NPCs have been pretty much removed from the game. The last question is if we will be able to hire NPC guards for our clan cities or if they have been replaced by towers. Brannoc was asked this question and said he couldn't comment because there was going to be an article on it "soon".

[lancegaydon]

For city defence it is possible to employ NPC-guards. Or to invite in a clan of North Americans and Chineses.
You appear to be wrong about pretty much everything you have typed but that did make me laugh lol