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Ziegler
09-11-2008, 12:56
Hillary better choice than him (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/10/politics/fromtheroad/entry4437794.shtml)

Thinks McCain is better choice than Obama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8)


*chuckles* even the dems VP pick thinks the Prez pick is incorrect. :lmao:

losinglife
09-11-2008, 13:03
i doubt it will be devasting, but comments like that definitly arent helping

Ziegler
09-11-2008, 13:13
NO, what this is, is a play to put hillary on the ticket. Mark my words, because the huge jump in the polling for Sarah, they are looking to get hillary on the ticket to counter act that.

Camelmix
09-11-2008, 13:28
Hillary better choice than him (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/10/politics/fromtheroad/entry4437794.shtml)

Thinks McCain is better choice than Obama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8)


*chuckles* even the dems VP pick thinks the Prez pick is incorrect. :lmao:

Fuckin' Dicklover.

bluthorn
09-11-2008, 14:23
Hehe. So much for party unity :lmao:

Incanam
09-11-2008, 20:34
Propaganda much?

Ziegler
09-11-2008, 20:36
Propaganda much?

I am not sure how actually qouting the person is propaganda. Unless you are implying that Biden is a republican plant?

Ftang
09-11-2008, 20:46
hes showing (in this case too much) respect to hillary to somewhat appease any of her disgruntled voters for the election. pretty care.

Virtra
09-11-2008, 20:48
Biden's big mouth rears its head. Doubt that means he wants off the ticket though.

dirtknap
09-11-2008, 21:21
Even though Biden appears to be smarter, I think not picking Hilary was probably a mistake.

Ziegler
09-11-2008, 21:29
Even though Biden appears to be smarter, I think not picking Hilary was probably a mistake.

not possilbe....afterall...the great Obama made the choice and he is so good and righteous that surely he couldnt have made a mistake....if he fucks up choosing a running mate....what else is he going to fuck up choosing?
maybe some of the things he has already stated?

Choose to sit down with our enemies with out preconditions?
Choose to allow children who survive an attempted abortion to lay alone til they expire?
Choose to attend a church for 20 years that preaches hatered?

.........:lmao:

dirtknap
09-11-2008, 21:48
obama is a saint compared to that coward mccain.

and palin.... omg... she chooses to exclude reality (creationist (lol), doesn't accept man-made global warming (lol))

obama/biden is 1/100th the lulz of the GOP candidates.

Incanam
09-11-2008, 21:52
I am not sure how actually qouting the person is propaganda. Unless you are implying that Biden is a republican plant?

Well first one is pretty irrelevant. So he likes Hilary, big whoop.


His insult at Obama was during primaries, again big whoop. There making it sound a lot worse than it is IMO.

As for praise of McCaine, I say it's just courtesy, but I want to see the context anyway.

bluthorn
09-11-2008, 22:09
obama is a saint compared to that coward mccain.

and palin.... omg... she chooses to exclude reality (creationist (lol), doesn't accept man-made global warming (lol))

obama/biden is 1/100th the lulz of the GOP candidates.

sigh. Evolution and man-made global warming are opinions. A person can rationally disagree with them both. I respect your opinions (at least in my speech :)) so why not give 'em a break, eh?

Justinian
09-11-2008, 22:10
Hillary better choice than him (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/10/politics/fromtheroad/entry4437794.shtml)

Thinks McCain is better choice than Obama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8)


*chuckles* even the dems VP pick thinks the Prez pick is incorrect. :lmao:

lol, people still taking either of the two (one) parties (party)'s candidates seriously enough to talk about them.

dirtknap
09-12-2008, 08:40
sigh. Evolution and man-made global warming are opinions. A person can rationally disagree with them both. I respect your opinions (at least in my speech :)) so why not give 'em a break, eh?

It's been many decades since evolution was an opinion. Evolution is now globally accepted as fact and is supported by over 250,000 scientific articles from a wide array of scientific disciplines. If religious nutters are trying to tell you any different, they're lying to you. Evolution has more evidence for it than almost any other scientific theory ever presented.

Global warming is indisputably occurring, the only question now is whether it's man-made. The IPCC (international panel for climate change; CC think-tank, includes hundred of environmental experts from around the world) (http://www.ipcc.ch/index.htm) publish a detailed report every 4 years on the state of climate chnage. They conclude in the 2007 report that CC is 90% certain to be caused by man.

Sorry if that shatters the myths you may have been taught at school.

Jou
09-12-2008, 11:52
...blah blah... They conclude in the 2007 report that CC is 90% certain to be caused by man.

So basically this "90% certain" means that they still have no real evidence and 90% of the staff researching it wants to keep getting paid for guessing whatever fits their lifestyle best.

LordTenacious
09-12-2008, 11:54
I know that Biden was trying to say a nice thing about Hillary but he said it pretty damn close to the worst way possible.

dirtknap
09-12-2008, 12:16
So basically this "90% certain" means that they still have no real evidence and 90% of the staff researching it wants to keep getting paid for guessing whatever fits their lifestyle best.

Try reading the report first you plebian.

If hundreds of the world's top environmental scientists are coming together to form an international coalition and are issuing comprehensive reports that strongly support the theory that global warming is man-made -- where even the summary of the evidence for man-made global warming takes over a hundred pages -- you listen.

sorros
09-12-2008, 12:16
Even though Biden appears to be smarter, I think not picking Hilary was probably a mistake.

shes an idiot but now Palin gets the women vote...

doh.

Lictor
09-12-2008, 12:38
USA presidential elections are a scam and are stupid! :bang: Not, that other "democratic" elections in our free world are any better... Well, whatever.

Ziegler
09-12-2008, 13:07
It's been many decades since evolution was an opinion. Evolution is now globally accepted as fact and is supported by over 250,000 scientific articles from a wide array of scientific disciplines. If religious nutters are trying to tell you any different, they're lying to you. Evolution has more evidence for it than almost any other scientific theory ever presented.

Global warming is indisputably occurring, the only question now is whether it's man-made. The IPCC (international panel for climate change; CC think-tank, includes hundred of environmental experts from around the world) (http://www.ipcc.ch/index.htm) publish a detailed report every 4 years on the state of climate chnage. They conclude in the 2007 report that CC is 90% certain to be caused by man.

Sorry if that shatters the myths you may have been taught at school.


Even though we are entering a 30 year cooling period. (http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/NASA_Climate_cooling/2008/05/01/92541.html)

Just to put that into context for you. 30 years ago...there was a whole buncha scientists who told us this hole in the atmosphere was going to let all the air out of the planet and we were going to freeze. Yeah, that didnt turn out so much how they stated either.

Surly
09-12-2008, 13:16
Hillary better choice than him (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/10/politics/fromtheroad/entry4437794.shtml)

Thinks McCain is better choice than Obama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8)


*chuckles* even the dems VP pick thinks the Prez pick is incorrect. :lmao:Fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap.

dirtknap
09-12-2008, 17:10
Even though we are entering a 30 year cooling period. (http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/NASA_Climate_cooling/2008/05/01/92541.html)

Just to put that into context for you. 30 years ago...there was a whole buncha scientists who told us this hole in the atmosphere was going to let all the air out of the planet and we were going to freeze. Yeah, that didnt turn out so much how they stated either.

you utter, utter moron. from your own link:

"He adds that NASA was also quick to point out that such natural phenomena should not confuse the issue of manmade greenhouse gas induced global warming which apparently will be going on behind the scenes while our teeth are chattering from a decade and a half long cold spell. "

the author of that article, Phil Brennan, is also a well-known internet idiot who also believes that smoking is good for you (http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/2/8/221328.shtml).

hundreds of expert enviromental scientists >>>>>>> one disgruntled and horribly misinformed conservative.

try using a little common sense next time. I realise you're not very smart but even a 10 year old could have read and then googled this information.

TL;DR version: wtfpwned.

Geminireaper
09-12-2008, 17:28
shes an idiot but now Palin gets the women vote...

doh.

Actually Palin is alienating alot of woman with her hard line no abortion tactic even if raped. She is anti woman.

Carl Ragadamn
09-12-2008, 17:42
Biden's big mouth rears its head. Doubt that means he wants off the ticket though.

There is a reason he is known in the media as the Gaff-o'matic.

Drunkenork
09-12-2008, 17:49
NO, what this is, is a play to put hillary on the ticket. Mark my words, because the huge jump in the polling for Sarah, they are looking to get hillary on the ticket to counter act that.

Ya I think the Clintons are going to as well.

Erroneous
09-12-2008, 18:20
In Columbia, Mo., this week, Mr. Biden urged a paraplegic state official to stand up to be recognized. “Chuck, stand up, let the people see you,” Mr. Biden shouted to State Senator Chuck Graham, before realizing, to his horror, that Mr. Graham uses a wheelchair.

“Oh, God love ya,” Mr. Biden said. “What am I talking about?”

-- http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/12/us/politics/12biden.html

Drunkenork
09-12-2008, 18:24
-- http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/12/us/politics/12biden.html

That was so funny when I first heard that!

Ziegler
09-12-2008, 19:14
you utter, utter moron. from your own link:

"He adds that NASA was also quick to point out that such natural phenomena should not confuse the issue of manmade greenhouse gas induced global warming which apparently will be going on behind the scenes while our teeth are chattering from a decade and a half long cold spell. "

the author of that article, Phil Brennan, is also a well-known internet idiot who also believes that smoking is good for you (http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/2/8/221328.shtml).

hundreds of expert enviromental scientists >>>>>>> one disgruntled and horribly misinformed conservative.

try using a little common sense next time. I realise you're not very smart but even a 10 year old could have read and then googled this information.

TL;DR version: wtfpwned.

So you are saying that we arent going into a 30 year cooling period?
He's not the only one putting forth this information. And you miss the point that scientists are no where near accurate in theories as complex as global climate change. I personally am going with the great big huge fucking ball of fire in the sky having the most to do with our warming and cooling.

Silverhandorder
09-12-2008, 20:00
Try reading the report first you plebian.

If hundreds of the world's top environmental scientists are coming together to form an international coalition and are issuing comprehensive reports that strongly support the theory that global warming is man-made -- where even the summary of the evidence for man-made global warming takes over a hundred pages -- you listen.

That is funny you calling him plebian. Take it from some one who studies evolution, there are many things it can not explain. I am not going to go around advertising creationism (I don't support it) but as a theory evolution is very weak. For a theory to be strong it needs to be accurate most of the time. Half the time scientist are scratching their heads and making up new rules that contradict others. Evolution as a process is very well defined and understood. As a theory not so much.

Through out Earth's history carbon fluctuated far more then anything we observing now. This is nothing out of the ordinary. Many of these so called scientists became scientists when this global crazy just begun. It is being fueled half by political propaganda and the other half by idiots seeking grants.


In any case you are a drone.

dirtknap
09-12-2008, 20:13
That is funny you calling him plebian. Take it from some one who studies evolution, there are many things it can not explain. I am not going to go around advertising creationism (I don't support it) but as a theory evolution is very weak. For a theory to be strong it needs to be accurate most of the time. Half the time scientist are scratching their heads and making up new rules that contradict others. Evolution as a process is very well defined and understood. As a theory not so much.

Through out Earth's history carbon fluctuated far more then anything we observing now. This is nothing out of the ordinary. Many of these so called scientists became scientists when this global crazy just begun. It is being fueled half by political propaganda and the other half by idiots seeking grants.


In any case you are a drone.

Oh really? I have an Honours degree and PhD in biochemistry so tell me, specifically, and using the proper scientific terms, what evolution cannot explain, because you sir, are full of SHIT. there are some things we don't know for sure, but little we can't explain, and they are all minor and very specific. the origin of life -- as in the transition from inanimate chemicals to a self-sustaining system that could be caled 'life' is the least understood part -- there are only theories -- but this predates evolution per se.

It's obvious you are not a scientist and have no real science training, and are simply talking out your arse, which is all you anti-science religious lemmings ever do. if you don't agree with science, turn off your computer, burn your house and go live in the bush and take your book of fairy-tales with you.

dirtknap
09-12-2008, 20:18
So you are saying that we arent going into a 30 year cooling period?
He's not the only one putting forth this information. And you miss the point that scientists are no where near accurate in theories as complex as global climate change. I personally am going with the great big huge fucking ball of fire in the sky having the most to do with our warming and cooling.

i'm saying el nino/nina are independent of global warming. read the goddamn report, it explains all this. if it's too long for you, try the wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming) for a shorter and gentler summary.

i'm not going to disagree that man-made global warming is difficult to quantify and observe, but there is a clear consensus amongst scientists who are specialists in this area and scientists don't throw their weight behind issues so strongly unless the data is very strong.

to be clear: global warming is definite. the uncertainty is whether -- or how much -- is man-induced. noone is sure if we can reverse it either.

Eclipso
09-12-2008, 20:18
Fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap.
fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap ... see i can go into every thread also and say the same.

fap fap

skree

Attau
09-12-2008, 20:36
It's all just a big soap opera.... lets watch and see how it plays out :cool:.

oh and I will fap fap fap for a bit as well.

Drunkenork
09-12-2008, 20:39
Phd in BioChem? Damn nice! What school?

Zuku
09-12-2008, 21:06
Hillary better choice than him (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/10/politics/fromtheroad/entry4437794.shtml)

Thinks McCain is better choice than Obama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8)


*chuckles* even the dems VP pick thinks the Prez pick is incorrect. :lmao:

First link: Biden was, in his words, being "chivalrous" because he was responding to a questioner who was ranking on Clinton.

Second link: Attack ads are a reliable source of information. /snark
If you're going to quote someone, quote his latest statements. If you wanted to quote McCain from five months ago you'd find out he is against Bush's tax cuts, against offshore drilling, for Bush's immigration reform (or is he against? It's hard to keep up), against torture OR for torture, in violation of McCain-Feingold and more.

Maybe try to keep up with the reality today?

dirtknap
09-12-2008, 21:31
Phd in BioChem? Damn nice! What school?

a Uni in Sydney Australia.

Drunkenork
09-12-2008, 21:33
a Uni in Sydney Australia.

Cool which?

Ziegler
09-12-2008, 21:33
i'm not going to disagree that man-made global warming is difficult to quantify and observe, but there is a clear consensus amongst scientists who are specialists in this area and scientists don't throw their weight behind issues so strongly unless the data is very strong.

to be clear: global warming is definite. the uncertainty is whether -- or how much -- is man-induced. noone is sure if we can reverse it either.

There was a clear consensus at one point amoung scientists that if you sailed too far east you'd fall off the edge of the world.

There was a clear consensus at on point amoung scientists that the earth was the center of the universe.

There was a clear consensus that a hole in the ozone was going to allow the air to escape and we would all freeze to death

They were all wrong.

And you are wrong about what scientists will do for grant money and political motivations.

I am not saying there isnt man-made global warming. All one has to do is go to civilized areas and see the amount of concrete that emits heat waves to know that we have an effect. Is it catastrophic? nah...dont think so...is it damaging to the immediate surrounding locales...most definately. Is the US driving SUVs gonna drastically change anythying? not one iota. So, it's all politically motivated agenda...not a genuine concern for the planet.

Al Gore, had a minteral mine on his fmaily proptery for years that polluted the surrounding country side. His solution is carbon credits...a fee you pay to some comapny that magically erases your carbon footprint...did I mention he is a part owner of said company? If there was genuine concern, they would be going after coal plants and be all for nuclear energy, possibly the cleanest alternative that is feasible. You jettison the waste into outerspace and all done.

No, man made global warming is simply another ploy to control the populace at large, just like religion.

dirtknap
09-12-2008, 21:58
Cool which?

Macquarie, 3rd oldest

pyrow
09-12-2008, 22:13
Hillary better choice than him (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/10/politics/fromtheroad/entry4437794.shtml)

Thinks McCain is better choice than Obama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8)


*chuckles* even the dems VP pick thinks the Prez pick is incorrect. :lmao:

LOL DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THAT GUY THAT CALLED OBAMA BIG LIPPED AND THEN RESIGNED?

dirtknap
09-12-2008, 22:25
There was a clear consensus at one point amoung scientists that if you sailed too far east you'd fall off the edge of the world.

There was a clear consensus at on point amoung scientists that the earth was the center of the universe.


Wrong. Those discoveries were what precipitated the scientific revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Revolution), not to mention that those things were hundreds of years ago.



There was a clear consensus that a hole in the ozone was going to allow the air to escape and we would all freeze to death


Link or it isn't true. Note the difference between speculation, and consensus based on evidence. people speculate there may be life elsewhere in the universe, but there is no definite evidence for or against.



And you are wrong about what scientists will do for grant money and political motivations.


I *am* a scientist and i do receive grant money. There is no conspiracy. Grants are extremely competitive and plenty of good and worthwhile applications get rejected all the time. You've basically got no chance unless you've got a good publication record in good journals, have written a well-researched proposal that demonstrates extensive knowledge and appreciation of extant research on the area, and your proposal fits into one of the current 'priority areas' of the funding body to which you're applying.

every grant submitted is reviewed by a panel of senior scientists in multiple rounds. there is also due diligence reports you're required to write and hardcore ethical regulations to demonstrate compliance with if your research does anything with living animals or tissues. it's no joke man and the fucking things take weeks and are as tedious as shit.

trust me when i say that flippant research proposals do not make it past the first round of review.


lastly, scentists rarely get involved with politics. global warming affects us all, which is why consortia like the IPCC have been formed for the explicit intent to collate and summarise the data so that decision-makers remain informed.

the idea that global warming is a myth only exists in the US, because - sadly - you guys tolerate and swallow religion-motivated FUD more than any other country, eg: the US is the only country in the world who haven't ratified the kyoto protocol. why? because Bush is an idiot.

Drunkenork
09-12-2008, 22:34
Macquarie, 3rd oldest

Nice what did you have to teach and what was your thesis? If you don't mind me asking.

palo god
09-12-2008, 22:51
Propaganda much?

Please learn what words mean before you use them.

dirtknap
09-12-2008, 23:00
Nice what did you have to teach and what was your thesis? If you don't mind me asking.

i'll PM you my CV.

Drunkenork
09-12-2008, 23:02
sweet, lookin forward to it.

Yobaj
09-12-2008, 23:04
I am not saying there isnt man-made global warming. All one has to do is go to civilized areas and see the amount of concrete that emits heat waves to know that we have an effect. Is it catastrophic? nah...dont think so...is it damaging to the immediate surrounding locales...most definately. Is the US driving SUVs gonna drastically change anythying? not one iota. So, it's all politically motivated agenda...not a genuine concern for the planet.


I don't understand people like you. I will try to make you understand how sane people think.

To cover all possbilities, I will use 2 extremes of each option.

There are 2 possible truths, that global warming is real and man made, or that it is not real and we have nothing to do with it. And there are two things we can do, try to prepare and change our lifestyle or do jack shit.

Now, let's see what would happen in different scenarios.
-------------------------------Action
Truth-----------------Change---------------Nothing
------Fake-------Waste of money,-------Lucky us, it wasn't real
-----------------Econ. depression-------and we spent nada.
-----------------a la 30's.------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------
------Real-------We avoid worst --------- Society collapses,
-----------------future, society lives -----drought, floodings,
------------------on----------------------refugees, anarchy
------------------------------------------everything shitfucks.

Now, which extreme fuck-up seems worse?

DeathByCactus
09-12-2008, 23:09
I won't vote for Obama because of Biden. Biden is as anti-gun as they come. Fuck them

palo god
09-12-2008, 23:11
Obama is fake (http://radioactiveliberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/obama-change.png).

dirtknap
09-12-2008, 23:26
Obama is fake (http://radioactiveliberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/obama-change.png).

lol see that was actually funny. +1

Spankytwo
09-12-2008, 23:58
So you are saying that we arent going into a 30 year cooling period?
He's not the only one putting forth this information. And you miss the point that scientists are no where near accurate in theories as complex as global climate change. I personally am going with the great big huge fucking ball of fire in the sky having the most to do with our warming and cooling.

Youre right, what do scientists know, we should all believe conservatives! They are soooo smrt!

Teutates
09-13-2008, 00:24
sigh. Evolution and man-made global warming are opinions. A person can rationally disagree with them both. I respect your opinions (at least in my speech :)) so why not give 'em a break, eh?

Oh god, forumfall is degrading again.

Toxic Waste
09-13-2008, 00:31
Oh god, forumfall is degrading again.

Perhaps the beta announcement was a curse rather than a gift.

Manowar
09-13-2008, 00:36
i doubt it will be devasting, but comments like that definitly arent helping

No this is devstating!!! His own words
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sj91NH5fvw

McCain 08'
Vote for a leader not a terrorist

Yobaj
09-13-2008, 00:55
No this is devstating!!! His own words
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sj91NH5fvw

McCain 08'
Vote for a leader not a terrorist

I just commented that video with 3 comments, utterly stupid and shitty republican propaganda.

Ziegler
09-15-2008, 16:56
I don't understand people like you. I will try to make you understand how sane people think.

To cover all possbilities, I will use 2 extremes of each option.

There are 2 possible truths, that global warming is real and man made, or that it is not real and we have nothing to do with it. And there are two things we can do, try to prepare and change our lifestyle or do jack shit.

Now, let's see what would happen in different scenarios.
-------------------------------Action
Truth-----------------Change---------------Nothing
------Fake-------Waste of money,-------Lucky us, it wasn't real
-----------------Econ. depression-------and we spent nada.
-----------------a la 30's.------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------
------Real-------We avoid worst --------- Society collapses,
-----------------future, society lives -----drought, floodings,
------------------on----------------------refugees, anarchy
------------------------------------------everything shitfucks.

Now, which extreme fuck-up seems worse?

So there is no possibility that perhaps...there is climate change/global warming and it has nothing to do with man at all, but instead that big fucking huge ball of fusion that dominates our sky/solar system?...not a chance at all? I know it sucks for you think that man kind isnt some god, but we're not, we're another organism and there are a great many things outside, our control. Like the martian global warming crisis. Article from Nat geo about it: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

And as I get older, I have found that sane people still tend to be astronomically stupid. Sane persons tend to be fine though. :bang:

Dont worry, maybe you're just not as cynical as I am, but give yourself a few years...you will be. :cool:

The Cougar
09-15-2008, 18:16
So there is no possibility that perhaps...there is climate change/global warming and it has nothing to do with man at all, but instead that big fucking huge ball of fusion that dominates our sky/solar system?...not a chance at all? I know it sucks for you think that man kind isnt some god, but we're not, we're another organism and there are a great many things outside, our control. Like the martian global warming crisis. Article from Nat geo about it: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

And as I get older, I have found that sane people still tend to be astronomically stupid. Sane persons tend to be fine though. :bang:

Dont worry, maybe you're just not as cynical as I am, but give yourself a few years...you will be. :cool:
I'm sure the couple of thousand climate scientists working on this issue completely failed to think about the sun and therefore missed out on researching whether it had something to do with global warming.

Oh right, I forgot. They didn't.



The correlation between solar activity and temperature

The most commonly cited study by skeptics is a study by scientists from Finland and Germany that finds the sun has been more active in the last 60 years than anytime in the past 1150 years (Usoskin 2005). They also found temperatures closely correlate to solar activity.

However, a crucial finding of the study was the correlation between solar activity and temperature ended around 1975. At that point, temperatures rose while solar activity stayed level. This led them to conclude "during these last 30 years the solar total irradiance, solar UV irradiance and cosmic ray flux has not shown any significant secular trend, so that at least this most recent warming episode must have another source."

You read that right. The study most quoted by skeptics actually concluded the sun can't be causing global warming. Ironically, the evidence that establishes the sun's close correlation with the Earth's temperature in the past also establishes it's blamelessness for global warming today.

Measurements of solar activity

This is confirmed by direct satellite measurements that find no rising trend since 1978, sunspot numbers which have leveled out since 1950, the Max Planck Institute reconstruction that shows irradience has been steady since 1950 and solar radio flux or flare activity which shows no rising trend over the past 30 years.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm

Link also contains quite a few studies on the subject, all of them concluding the same thing.

You cite "global warming on Mars" as evidence. It's funny that you're so hasty with accepting the amazingly little evidence there is for a global warming on Mars, and at the same time so easily dismiss all the evidence for man-made global warming on Earth. Your obvious hypocrisy aside:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-on-mars.htm

Link to guitar solos!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Om16NjZX8o&feature=related

Drunkenork
09-15-2008, 18:22
I don't understand people like you. I will try to make you understand how sane people think.

To cover all possbilities, I will use 2 extremes of each option.

There are 2 possible truths, that global warming is real and man made, or that it is not real and we have nothing to do with it. And there are two things we can do, try to prepare and change our lifestyle or do jack shit.

Now, let's see what would happen in different scenarios.
-------------------------------Action
Truth-----------------Change---------------Nothing
------Fake-------Waste of money,-------Lucky us, it wasn't real
-----------------Econ. depression-------and we spent nada.
-----------------a la 30's.------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------
------Real-------We avoid worst --------- Society collapses,
-----------------future, society lives -----drought, floodings,
------------------on----------------------refugees, anarchy
------------------------------------------everything shitfucks.

Now, which extreme fuck-up seems worse?

Another option is scientists found global warming to have occured many times before, but they currently are trying to figure out if man is accelerating the process or not.

Just wanted to add that in there....