Pstalin deemed too stupid to answer own questions

[dirtknap]

A bucketfull of lulz here (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080909/ap_on_el_pr/palin_playing_it_safe;_ylt=ApLyn3ENlbB7T rfN_sffk1DCw5R4).

when your own party decides you're too stupid/flaky/scary to answer questions, you've really got to start wondering about what they're trying to hide.

Seems Miss Congeniality is way out of her depth.

[Dazarthas]

McCain might win this election as long as the VPILF keeps her big mouth shut...

[stalwart]

wow. wtf is yahoo news nowadays? the anti-republican? i've read two articles in two days from there, both are clearly and blatantly biased.

[maskedtears]

I'm not crazy about her. Never have been. :(

[Jackhowitzer]

Yeah me either.

[Killuminati]

I guess she didn't want to tell anyone anymore about how she was given the assignment by God to go on a crusade in the middle east.

[Kobayashi]

Cake is all I can say.

[Slypieguy]

A bucketfull of lulz here (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080909/ap_on_el_pr/palin_playing_it_safe;_ylt=ApLyn3ENlbB7T rfN_sffk1DCw5R4).

when your own party decides you're too stupid/flaky/scary to answer questions, you've really got to start wondering about what they're trying to hide.

Seems Miss Congeniality is way out of her depth.

She did an hour long interview with Mario Bartiromo from CNBC 1 week before she was picked for VP. Some good Q&A in that interview.

[Carl Ragadamn]

She did an hour long interview with Mario Bartiromo from CNBC 1 week before she was picked for VP. Some good Q&A in that interview.

Plus she is doing a 2 day interview with Gibson, where there are supposed to be no questions off the table.

[dirtknap]

She did an hour long interview with Mario Bartiromo from CNBC 1 week before she was picked for VP. Some good Q&A in that interview.

before they started shutting her up, yeah.

[Atnas]

Or maybe she's simply not used to speaking like... directly to a whole nation, being a deciding factor and everything? I would be fucking pissing myself all the time and man, would that kill anyone who chose me.

[Carl Ragadamn]

Or maybe she's simply not used to speaking like... directly to a whole nation, being a deciding factor and everything? I would be fucking pissing myself all the time and man, would that kill anyone who chose me.

I am sure she will be fine, she used to be a sportscaster so its not like being of tv is new to her.

[Atnas]

I don't know, but man, there's a lot of mudslinging without good reason here.

[Jargo]

Or maybe she's simply not used to speaking like... directly to a whole nation, being a deciding factor and everything? I would be fucking pissing myself all the time and man, would that kill anyone who chose me.

If that’s the case then she’s sure not fit to be the leader of our country if/when McCain croaks. (10 percent chance!) The fact of the matter is that she’s nothing more than a prop being used to inject some fresh life into the campaign of a stagnant political party. Selecting the potential vice president should be a serious matter.

This shit goes to show just how little the neoconservative Republican party thinks about their supporters and America in general.

[BladeSLicer]

I don't know, but man, there's a lot of mudslinging without good reason here.

Fanbois of any candidate need no "good reason" to start "mudslinging". You should know that by now!

[Honorius]

Does this change the fact she has boobs? No, so I'm still voting for her.

[Taroth]

The media is pissed off at the Republicans. No questions means no show, which means no advertising $$$.

[Nafelos]

McCain might win this election as long as the VPILF keeps her big mouth shut...

Its called the Bush Strategy.

[BladeSLicer]

Its called the Bush Strategy.

Well done.

[dirtknap]

Its called the Bush Strategy.

nah the bush strategy is just to flat out lie, get all your party to stick with the story, and repeat it so many teams that stupid people start to believe it.

It appears to be working for the McCain campaign too: i mean the guy is trying to campaign on a platform of change & being a maverick yet he has voted with Bush 95% of the time and people are not calling him on it. seriously, WTF?

[dirtknap]

Or maybe she's simply not used to speaking like... directly to a whole nation, being a deciding factor and everything? I would be fucking pissing myself all the time and man, would that kill anyone who chose me.

if so, then you're not really cut out for VP then... right? especially to a 72 guy with a history of and/or predisposition to melanoma.

[Carl Ragadamn]

if so, then you're not really cut out for VP then... right? especially to a 72 guy with a history of and/or predisposition to melanoma.

You are so right why did I not see it before? Comeon Palin is atleast as qualified as Obama, to try and suggest otherwise is disingenuous.

[Estrang]

I don't know, but man, there's a lot of mudslinging without good reason here.

I think it would be cool if they put the mudslingers on the stand, like had a roast of all these petty columnists and stuff delving into their personal life, etc. :D

[dirtknap]

You are so right why did I not see it before? Comeon Palin is atleast as qualified as Obama, to try and suggest otherwise is disingenuous.

Sure, they are both not that experienced. But experience doesn't really matter that much as President because you're surrounded by advisors with plenty of experience.

It's intelligence and judgement that should matter a lot more, and not being deemed smart/wily enough to answer impromptu questions like McCain, Obama and Biden can all do makes it seem like she is dumb as shit and/or she has things to hide.

Having watched a number of her speeches on youtube personally i think she is just not very intelligent and is out of her depth badly.

Obama on the other hand is clearly one smart guy, with a great gift for speaking and leading. I'm not going to pretend I don't admire him as a candidate, I wish he were standing for Australian prime minister so i could vote for him.

[Carl Ragadamn]

Sure, they are both not that experienced. But experience doesn't really matter that much as President because you're surrounded by advisors with plenty of experience.

It's intelligence and judgement that should matter a lot more, and not being deemed smart/wily enough to answer impromptu questions like McCain, Obama and Biden can all do makes it seem like she is dumb as shit and/or she has things to hide.

Having watched a number of her speeches on youtube personally i think she is just not very intelligent and is out of her depth badly.

Obama on the other hand is clearly one smart guy, with a great gift for speaking and leading. I'm not going to pretend I don't admire him as a candidate, I wish he were standing for Australian prime minister so i could vote for him.
Watch the speeches where he continually stumbles over his words, he sounds worse than bush. There is a reason that he declined to participate in alll 11 townhall style debates that McCain requested. Also what has he led ever?

As for Palin, I think in a couple weeks you will change your mind about her. I think they are delaying letting her talk so that they can maintain the surge of media coverage they are getting right now.

[LordTenacious]

nah the bush strategy is just to flat out lie, get all your party to stick with the story, and repeat it so many teams that stupid people start to believe it.

It appears to be working for the McCain campaign too: i mean the guy is trying to campaign on a platform of change & being a maverick yet he has voted with Bush 95% of the time and people are not calling him on it. seriously, WTF?
It should be noted that the dems are the majority in the house and now he is voting against them. (Cheney doesn't make up for the fact that the Dems still have the majority, you nitwits. He doesn't vote.) In Bush's first term when the repubs. had a majority he only voted in line like 70% which is rather low in the Senate.

Of course, he could just take the Obama route and just vote present so that he doesn't have to make a decision, right or wrong.

[Virtra]

It is because she is stupid and condescending, which were about the only things that came through loud and clear in her speech, at least to me... also her personal views are only in line with like 10% of the populous:

http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/518514.html
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94332540

Just what we need, another person in the White House who thinks we're in a holy war...

[dirtknap]

Watch the speeches where he continually stumbles over his words, he sounds worse than bush. There is a reason that he declined to participate in alll 11 townhall style debates that McCain requested. Also what has he led ever?

As for Palin, I think in a couple weeks you will change your mind about her. I think they are delaying letting her talk so that they can maintain the surge of media coverage they are getting right now.

You can't be serious. Obama is one of the best speakers around, anywhere. As i said, leading is overrated, judgement is more valuable. Besides, Palin has no experience of federal government -- she doesn't even know what a VP is supposed to do (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=006axc2aELE).

Palin is a poorly educated utterly average religious fundamentalist of middling to low intelligence who should be kept the hell away from power for the good of the whole world, let alone the US. It was a collosal mistake to have picked such an average candidate IMO.

[dirtknap]

It should be noted that the dems are the majority in the house and now he is voting against them. (Cheney doesn't make up for the fact that the Dems still have the majority, you nitwits. He doesn't vote.) In Bush's first term when the repubs. had a majority he only voted in line like 70% which is rather low in the Senate.

the issue is he's trying to say he's for change but the electoral record shows him voting with bush 95% of the time in the last 8 years.

IOW, he's a flat-out liar who is trying to mislead US voters, the same way Bush has done. This also comes through in his selection of a woman he'd never met a few weeks before for VP.

[Carl Ragadamn]

You can't be serious. Obama is one of the best speakers around, anywhere. As i said, leading is overrated, judgement is more valuable. Besides, Palin has no experience of federal government -- she doesn't even know what a VP is supposed to do (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=006axc2aELE).

Palin is a poorly educated utterly average religious fundamentalist of middling to low intelligence who should be kept the hell away from power for the good of the whole world, let alone the US. It was a collosal mistake to have picked such an average candidate IMO.

Obama is only good as a scripted speaker, if he has to speak off the cuff he is a failtrain.

You are correct, she was a colossal mistake. Its not like she energized his base, or helped him raise money fast, or even gave him a boost in the polls.

She was picked because she is the perfect person to counter Biden. Biden has made his bones pandering to feminists, so he cant go all attackdog on her without risking his cred with the one base he has pandered to the most.

[dirtknap]

the poster of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4qEynSx19E) puts it really well:

"Try this: Close your eyes and imagine Sarah Palin sitting at a table with Vladimir Putin. Can you see her? No? OK. Try it with someone else. Close your eyes and imagine her sitting at a table with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Can you see her? No? Me neither. All right, let's try it with Joe Biden now. No problem. We can see him. Palin as President is an impossibility for America...She's not ready. "

[dirtknap]

Obama is only good as a scripted speaker, if he has to speak off the cuff he is a failtrain.

you're a staunch republican, i get it. the rules don't apply equally to the dems and the GOP, it's fine.

it's a rare zealot that would diss Obama as an orator versus eg: McCain or Palin though, kudos for loyalty.

[Virtra]

the poster of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4qEynSx19E) puts it really well:

"Try this: Close your eyes and imagine Sarah Palin sitting at a table with Vladimir Putin. Can you see her? No? OK. Try it with someone else. Close your eyes and imagine her sitting at a table with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Can you see her? No? Me neither. All right, let's try it with Joe Biden now. No problem. We can see him. Palin as President is an impossibility for America...She's not ready. "

Hmm, see I would say that that is mostly an argument that plays to our inherant internal sexism. Or perhaps just our internal sense that an old grey-haired white guy is the best person to do these things. Either way it makes spurrious assumptions... though that doesn't mean it isn't a good political argument. I just wouldn't use it for my own personal argument against her.

[LordTenacious]

the issue is he's trying to say he's for change but the electoral record shows him voting with bush 95% of the time in the last 8 years.


Uh, no. Just in the last year. I'm looking at the official statistics now. In 2005 it was 77%. I'm not going to link the website because I figure if you want to learn that your skewed (on purpose or on accident) statistics are wrong, then I figure you can do it yourself.

[Carl Ragadamn]

you're a staunch republican, i get it. the rules don't apply equally to the dems and the GOP, it's fine.

it's a rare zealot that would diss Obama as an orator versus eg: McCain or Palin though, kudos for loyalty.

No I am a staunch conservative, who is not blinded by oration skills. Lots of bad people have been great orators. The fact does remain that Obama stumbles when he is not in a scripted environment. I personally find him to be far to wanting as a candidate, to ever consider voting for him (plus there is his whole socialist agenda).

But GG trying to pigeon hole me to fit your nice little box.

[dirtknap]

Hmm, see I would say that that is mostly an argument that plays to our inherant internal sexism. Or perhaps just our internal sense that an old grey-haired white guy is the best person to do these things. Either way it makes spurrious assumptions... though that doesn't mean it isn't a good political argument. I just wouldn't use it for my own personal argument against her.

Funny, i thought he meant she was intellectually lacking, not because she was a woman.

[dirtknap]

But GG trying to pigeon hole me to fit your nice little box.

you pigeon yourself into that box with your unwillingness to be objective champ, it's called (defined as) fundamentalism (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Afundamentalism&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=).

[Drunkenork]

wow. wtf is yahoo news nowadays? the anti-republican? i've read two articles in two days from there, both are clearly and blatantly biased.

Seriously. Media is liberal slanted.

Also am I the only one that remembers that Obama stepped down from debates with Mccain not once, but multiple times? Or that the Obama party cried out because the press was asking Obama's wife questions and she cried that it was unfair because she was a "civilian" in politics, yet was/is still giving political speeches, while also being in a potential role for first lady. And honestly have any of you listened to Obama?

Here is Ms. Clinton wrecking Obama, he is just as qualified to be president as Palin would be.... That is scary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vTfgbIbhyE

[LordTenacious]

What is it with dirtknap and Zionist always saying people support shit they don't and attach extremist labels to anyone who dares disagree with them? It fucking kills any chance of a meaningful debate.

[dirtknap]

What is it with dirtknap and Zionist always saying people support shit they don't and attach extremist labels to anyone who dares disagree with them? It fucking kills any chance of a meaningful debate.
sorry all i read was: waaaaaa mummy stop the mean guy pointing out how bad the republican VP is waaaa

[LordTenacious]

Just keep proving me right, mate.

[dirtknap]

Seriously. Media is liberal slanted.

no, it's just what happens when 2000+ years of science and objectivity begin to displace religious zealots as the primary source of reason and wisdom.

nothing wrong with economic and fisal conservatism though.

besides, 'liberal' means 'freedom'.

[dirtknap]

Just keep proving me right, mate.

waaaaaa

[LordTenacious]

Still right. Do continue.

[Vanno]

If that’s the case then she’s sure not fit to be the leader of our country if/when McCain croaks. (10 percent chance!) The fact of the matter is that she’s nothing more than a prop being used to inject some fresh life into the campaign of a stagnant political party. Selecting the potential vice president should be a serious matter.

This shit goes to show just how little the neoconservative Republican party thinks about their supporters and America in general.

25% chance, depending on what actuary tests you are sourcing.

[Drunkenork]

no, it's just what happens when 2000+ years of science and objectivity begin to displace religious zealots as the primary source of reason and wisdom.

nothing wrong with economic and fisal conservatism though.

besides, 'liberal' means 'freedom'.

Ya I forgot, big gov't ,huge taxes, and socialized health care is freedom. I never knew that being conservative is to be "religious zealots", interesting.

[Carl Ragadamn]

you pigeon yourself into that box with your unwillingness to be objective champ, it's called (defined as) fundamentalism (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Afundamentalism&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=).

sorry all i read was: waaaaaa mummy stop the mean guy pointing out how bad the republican VP is waaaa

Seriously are you 12? Can you not accept that people can look at things and come to a different conclusion because that is very intolerant (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/intolerant) of you.

[Drunkenork]

It sucks when good political discussion topics start getting into childish jabbing.

[Carl Ragadamn]

It sucks when good political discussion topics start getting into childish jabbing.

It always happens, because eventually one side runs out of fuel as dirtknap has here.

[LordTenacious]

Well, at least this thread lasted longer than most. A lot don't even get out of the first page.

[Carl Ragadamn]

Well, at least this thread lasted longer than most. A lot don't even get out of the first page.

Its only now at half a page. Hide your noobness and learn the win of 100 post pages.

[dirtknap]

we're yet to hear a single legitimate point refuting the idea that Palin is anything other than Miss Congeniality, instead resorting to slants on Obama, which is basically the sum total of the Republican campaign, cause they know damn well it's Republican policies that have led the US to its current abysmal economic state.

At this rate, China will own the whole of the US in a few more years -- passing 1 trillion dollars in debt anyday now -- maybe that's what McCain means when he says 'change'?

And to think 8 years ago US voters thought Bush was a better candidate than McCain... now that says a lot....

[LordTenacious]

You know, if someone has a 90% approval rating as governor because she fought her OWN PARTY'S CORRUPTION she has to be a little bit more than a facade.

[Carl Ragadamn]

we're yet to hear a single legitimate point refuting the idea that Palin is anything other than Miss Congeniality, instead resorting to slants on Obama, which is basically the sum total of the Republican campaign, cause they know damn well it's Republican policies that have led the US to its current abysmal economic state.

Wait you were expecting us to attempt to defeat your preconceived notion of Palin? Have you ever been to Forumfall before. We simply responded to your preconceived notion with a different one.

[dirtknap]

You know, if someone has a 90% approval as governor because she fought her OWN PARTY'S CORRUPTION she has to be a little bit more than a facade.

it was 80%, and she is currently being investigated by her own state FOR corruption.

oops?

[HedraFan3030]

Seriously, does this woman need this much criticism. I don't think I have spouted my political opnion on every off topic post so I'll say this; The last two elections I really wanted to vote for the third party but I decided to vote for the democrat because I caught the “anyone but bush” mentality in 2000.
Looking at both candidates I have to say neither is probably going to fuck it up. I think Obama will still let me cling to my HK 91 with tactical mount scope and my 1911 .45 ACP. The only thing I want to see from McCain is turning back into Feingold McCain. I want the McCain that terrorized fellow republicans and made leaps and bound open for third party candidates.
This all being said I believe that Ron Paul or Badrick would be a much more effective president. And come that November day I will cast my ballot for the one that I feel can actually do some good for our country.

[dirtknap]

Wait you were expecting us to attempt to defeat your preconceived notion of Palin? Have you ever been to Forumfall before. We simply responded to your preconceived notion with a different one.

Hey, it's the Republican party silencing Palin, not me. If I knew how stupid she was i'd tell her to only do teleprompter speeches and to keep her mouth shut too...

...the ultimate in sexism...

I appreciate you bumping my thread through, the more people read it the better.

[LordTenacious]

it was 80%, and she is currently being investigated by her own state FOR corruption.

oops?

Oh you mean firing her ex brother-in-law because he tazed his own kid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfQskTsUrQg)?

Damn, you're right. She's one cold-hearted, calculating bitch.

[dirtknap]

Damn, you're right. She's one cold-hearted, calculating bitch.

...who is under investigation by the authorities for corruption and misappropriation of state funds.

[HedraFan3030]

Oh yeah got a bit off topic I see...

As for Palin I think this might be the precursor to a full blown recentralization of McCain. Both left and right could get a good dose of nonpartisan politicks.

[Carl Ragadamn]

Hey, it's the Republican party silencing Palin, not me. If I knew how stupid she was i'd tell her to only do teleprompter speeches and to keep her mouth shut too...

...the ultimate in sexism...

I appreciate you bumping my thread through, the more people read it the better.

I have said multipule times, they are not silencing her, they are holding her back until the right time. Keep thinking she is stupid if you want, but my guess is you will feel stupid in a few weeks.

[LordTenacious]

...who is under investigation by the authorities for corruption and misappropriation of state funds.

Way to ignore the point of the post and cherry-picking quotes from it.

You truly can't handle the fact that maybe, just maybe, someone who thinks differently from you is not the most evil person who ever lived. I would say it is unbelievable but hell, you aren't the only person in this world like that and it doesn't make you a bad person.

[dirtknap]

I have said multipule times, they are not silencing her, they are holding her back until the right time. Keep thinking she is stupid if you want, but my guess is you will feel stupid in a few weeks.

...because they think she can't handle herself. McCain, Biden and Obama have been giving unscripted interviews daily.

like i said, it's textbook sexist.

[dirtknap]

Way to ignore the point of the post and cherry-picking quotes from it.

You truly can't handle the fact that maybe, just maybe, someone who thinks differently from you is not the most evil person who ever lived.

She *is* under investigation for corruption. There's no sugar coating that... you're so irrational you can't even accept the facts, let alone extrapolate what they might mean if she were to get into power.

[LordTenacious]

It's like you don't even bother clicking the link or anything.

[Carl Ragadamn]

...because they think she can't handle herself. McCain, Biden and Obama have been giving unscripted interviews daily.

like i said, it's textbook sexist.

Yes thats exactly what I said...Or wait it is not, I said that I believe they are holding her back to get the best effect from turning her loose. Is she a bit behind the curve from the other 3, sure. She has been on the national stage what 12 days? While the other 3 have been grandstanding for years.

[dirtknap]

socialized health care is freedom.

i agree, and evidently, so does every other 1st world country too, since they all have socialised healthcare.

then again, the US is the only 1st world country who is still struggling to introduce the metric system too... maybe you should look at overhauling the education system too?

[LordTenacious]

Okay, dirtknap is just trolling now. He is specifically cutting things out of posts.

[LordTenacious]

i agree, and evidently, so does every other 1st world country too, since they all have socialised healthcare.

then again, the US is the only 1st world country who is still struggling to introduce the metric system too... maybe you should look at overhauling the education system too?

Yes, because us weaklings with our imperial system were unable to overcome those Japs and Jerrys using their mighty metric system. If anything, imperial systems make the education system stronger because you learn more than just multiply or divide by 10.

[dirtknap]

Yes thats exactly what I said...Or wait it is not, I said that I believe they are holding her back to get the best effect from turning her loose. Is she a bit behind the curve from the other 3, sure. She has been on the national stage what 12 days? While the other 3 have been grandstanding for years.

well if she really were *ready* to be VP i would have thought giving interviews should not be a problem.

[dirtknap]

Yes, because us weaklings with our imperial system were unable to overcome those Japs and Jerrys using their mighty metric system.

you only had to fight the japs, the russians took care of the germans. this was after cowardly staying out of the war until the end i might add.

and rather than properly fighting the japs, you cowardly dropped atomic bombs on 2 civilian cities, without question the greatest act of terrorism in history.

WW2 is a classic case of US cowardice and i'm not sure why you think it's relevant to not being able to teach the metric system, but w/e.

[LordTenacious]

And we weren't able to beat the Russians in the cold war despite their superior metric system.

[LordTenacious]

you only had to fight the japs, the russians took care of the germans. this was after cowardly staying out of the war until the end i might add.


Funny, you guys don't like when we start wars, nor do you like it when we are "late". You don't like us interferring in other countries' issues.

Make up your god damn minds.

[Carl Ragadamn]

well if she really were *ready* to be VP i would have thought giving interviews should not be a problem.

Your reading comprehension skills are sadly lacking. But keep grinding the failtree you will get your 2k posts sooner or later. To bad by the time you get there everyone will see you as a moron.

[Slypieguy]

you only had to fight the japs, the russians took care of the germans.

And the Germans should be thankful, or they might have had a taste of Hiroshima for themselves

[Dwhap]

Yes thats exactly what I said...Or wait it is not, I said that I believe they are holding her back to get the best effect from turning her loose. Is she a bit behind the curve from the other 3, sure. She has been on the national stage what 12 days? While the other 3 have been grandstanding for years.

You are kidding yourself if you think they are holding her back until the "right time". I like her, but there is no freaking way this lady should be a step away from being in the white house; and the fact that McCain has a foot in the grave already doesn't make things any better. She is just one more reason I can't vote for McCain (and I'm a Republican...)

[Exidium]

IOW, he's a flat-out liar who is trying to mislead US voters, the same way Bush has done. This also comes through in his selection of a woman he'd never met a few weeks before for VP.

This is actually a good thing. The office is not a club. I do not want McCain and Palin to be buddies. I want them to be work partners that keep each other checked and balanced.

[Slypieguy]

You are kidding yourself if you think they are holding her back until the "right time". I like her, but there is no freaking way this lady should be a step away from being in the white house; and the fact that McCain has a foot in the grave already doesn't make things any better. She is just one more reason I can't vote for McCain (and I'm a Republican...)

Wait, you can't vote for McCain now because someone you think is unqualified would be 2nd in line to the presidency.... but it's ok that the other side has someone equally unqualified who would be taking the presidency?

[dirtknap]

This is actually a good thing. The office is not a club. I do not want McCain and Palin to be buddies. I want them to be work partners that keep each other checked and balanced.

yeah that's how it's supposed to work. the worry is that the guy is 72 years old and has a history of melanoma (4 separate incidences already...), not to mention is already several years past the average US life expectancy.

[Carl Ragadamn]

Funny, you guys don't like when we start wars, nor do you like it when we are "late". You don't like us interferring in other countries' issues.

Make up your god damn minds.
This made me laugh.
You are kidding yourself if you think they are holding her back until the "right time". I like her, but there is no freaking way this lady should be a step away from being in the white house; and the fact that McCain has a foot in the grave already doesn't make things any better. She is just one more reason I can't vote for McCain (and I'm a Republican...)

She is sharper than you are giving her credit for. Look I can admit that McCain picked her in a calculation to get the base and other groups energized, and it has paid off spectacularly.

[dirtknap]

Your reading comprehension skills are sadly lacking. But keep grinding the failtree you will get your 2k posts sooner or later. To bad by the time you get there everyone will see you as a moron.

i will take this as an acknowledgement of your intellectual inability to vigourously discuss politics with me.

thanks for playing!

[Carl Ragadamn]

yeah that's how it's supposed to work. the worry is that the guy is 72 years old and has a history of melanoma (4 separate incidences already...), not to mention is already several years past the average US life expectancy.

What is the life expectancy of a 48 year old smoker? Seriously I would take Palin hands down every day of the week over Biden.

[dirtknap]

And the Germans should be thankful, or they might have had a taste of Hiroshima for themselves

i think the US should stop trying to use WW2 as justification for any kind of perceived debt you think the world owes you. outside of the US most think of the US as fairly cowardly when it comes to WW2 - other countries paid a far higher price dealing with Hitler than the US.

[Slypieguy]

i think the US should stop trying to use WW2 as justification for any kind of perceived debt you think the world owes you. outside of the US most think of the US as fairly cowardly when it comes to WW2 - other countries paid a far higher price dealing with Hitler than the US.

Work smarter not harder.

[LordTenacious]

i will take this as an acknowledgement of your intellectual inability to vigourously discuss politics with me.

The only problem is that you aren't trying to discuss politics, you are trying to cram your views down everyone's throat.

[Drunkenork]

...who is under investigation by the authorities for corruption and misappropriation of state funds.

Under investigation is one thing, charged is another.

[Carl Ragadamn]

i will take this as an acknowledgement of your intellectual inability to vigourously discuss politics with me.

thanks for playing!

You dont discuss anything you pigeon hole and straw man all day, until someone calls you on it. After that its all fingers in your ears while shouting "I cant hear you".

[dirtknap]

Funny, you guys don't like when we start wars, nor do you like it when we are "late". You don't like us interferring in other countries' issues.

Make up your god damn minds.

No, I think it's that we're all tired of the US talking shit about freedom and justice and taking the stance that the rules to which it holds other countries don't apply to it.

The US doesn't know jack about freedom, I have to travel there 4 times a year, the US is less free than almost any other country i know.

'freedom' is a lie you guys chant to yourself without understanding what it even is.

Grow up, stop being cowards and face up to being a proper world citizen who admits when it fucks up so we can all start being friends again.

[Drunkenork]

No, I think it's that we're all tired of the US talking shit about freedom and justice and taking the stance that the rules to which it holds other countries don't apply to it.

The US doesn't know jack about freedom, I have to travel there 4 times a year, the US is less free than almost any other country i know.

'freedom' is a lie you guys chant to yourself without understanding what it even is.


LOL what? Are you serious? lmao!

[Drunkenork]

Wait, you can't vote for McCain now because someone you think is unqualified would be 2nd in line to the presidency.... but it's ok that the other side has someone equally unqualified who would be taking the presidency?

Nicely said.

[Carl Ragadamn]

No, I think it's that we're all tired of the US talking shit about freedom and justice and taking the stance that the rules to which it holds other countries don't apply to it.

The US doesn't know jack about freedom, I have to travel there 4 times a year, the US is less free than almost any other country i know.

'freedom' is a lie you guys chant to yourself without understanding what it even is.

Grow up, stop being cowards and face up to being a proper world citizen who admits when it fucks up so we can all start being friends again.

Lol yes we are all avidly defending everything the US does...

Let me guess you travel here to the East or West coast? Try coming to where real people live.

[dirtknap]

Nicely said.

Reagan is proof that anyone, regardless of how unintelligent they may be, can be president of the US.

it's not about qualifications nor experience: it's about intelligence and judgement.

[LordTenacious]

Grow up, stop being cowards and face up to being a proper world citizen who admits when it fucks up so we can all start being friends again.
I wouldn't want to be friends with you. You lie just to try to win an arguement on the internet. I suppose only the gods know how you would act in real life. I also suppose it's a good thing that I know you don't represent the average Australian.

[dirtknap]

Let me guess you travel here to the East or West coast? Try coming to where real people live.

you sure appear to love your country...

[LordTenacious]

you sure appear to love your country...

Why is that a problem? Are we supposed to be like "FUCK AMERICA! I HATE THIS PLACE! I'M NOT GOING TO MOVE OR ANYTHING THOUGH! I'M JUST GONNA SIT HERE AND COMPLAIN ON INTERNET FORUMS!"

[dirtknap]

I wouldn't want to be friends with you. You lie just to try to win an arguement on the internet. I suppose only the gods know how you would act in real life. I also suppose it's a good thing that I know you don't represent the average Australian.

sorry champ, no lies there. also: have you been to australia? or anywhere outside the US, eg: europe?

i think perhaps you don't realise the extent to which bush's foreign policy has degraded most people views of the US. the fact you now realise it was a mistake but aren't owning up to it just makes people like you even less.

[Carl Ragadamn]

Reagan is proof that anyone, regardless of how unintelligent they may be, can be president of the US.

it's not about qualifications nor experience: it's about intelligence and judgement.
Yeah he sure did such a terrible job...
you sure appear to love your country...

I do love my country, not blindly. I just desire a return of power to the states so that our diverse population can live the lives that most appeal to them, instead of forcing the ideals and beliefs of the coastal citizens on everyone else.

[LordTenacious]

That's right dirtknap. We never go to other countries. No siree bob. We never talk to anyone who is not American because fuck those job-stealing immigrants.

You assume way too much.

[dirtknap]

That's right dirtknap. We never go to other countries. No siree bob. We never talk to anyone who is not American because fuck those job-stealing immigrants.

You assume way too much.

unless you're of indian descent, you're all immigrants... i don't see how you can discriminate. blaming job-stealing on immigrants is just an excuse for being a) crap at your job, b) too fat/lazy to do your job, see (a), or c) too expensive to accept that free market economics dictate that cheaper always equals better. it's thinly veiled whiney racism, ie: compete or stfu.

[Carl Ragadamn]

sorry champ, no lies there. also: have you been to australia? or anywhere outside the US, eg: europe?

i think perhaps you don't realise the extent to which bush's foreign policy has degraded most people views of the US. the fact you now realise it was a mistake but aren't owning up to it just makes people like you even less.

Let me tell you how much most americans care about the opinion of the rest of the world...the answer is not at all. We are far more concerned with our opinion of ourselves. We are the ones that have to live here, so why would we care about others opinions? Selfworth is far more important than the perception of outsiders. Especially when lots of those outsiders need to tear down someone else to feel better about themselves.

[LordTenacious]

Why not? You are an immigrant to Australia yet you are discriminating against Americans.

[Carl Ragadamn]

unless you're of indian descent, you're all immigrants... i don't see how you can discriminate.

I fucking hate when people tell me this. My family has been here since 1654 if that does not make me native, then no one is a native of any country on earth.

[dirtknap]

Let me tell you how much most americans care about the opinion of the rest of the world...the answer is not at all. We are far more concerned with our opinion of ourselves. We are the ones that have to live here, so why would we care about others opinions? Selfworth is far more important than the perception of outsiders. Especially when lots of those outsiders need to tear down someone else to feel better about themselves.

that would be fine if you didn't keep cowardly attacking other countries on false pretences.

[Carl Ragadamn]

that would be fine if you didn't keep cowardly attacking other countries on flase pretences.

troll harder.

[dirtknap]

Why not? You are an immigrant to Australia yet you are discriminating against Americans.

i agree my family are essentially immigrants to australia. doesn't make me any less Australian. i'm not trying to blame immigrants for stealing jobs because i'm a fat fucker who is too lazy to work hard.

[holychicken]

Lol yes we are all avidly defending everything the US does...

Let me guess you travel here to the East or West coast? Try coming to where real people live.
It's funny how the attitude of elitism has shifted from the coasts to the "heartland" in the past decade.

[dirtknap]

troll harder.

just because i'm having a good time doesn't make it any less true.

[Drunkenork]

well said on the above 3

[Drunkenork]

xnay on the dirtnap one though.

[Carl Ragadamn]

blaming job-stealing on immigrants is just an excuse for being a) crap at your job, b) too fat/lazy to do your job, see (a), or c) too expensive to accept that free market economics dictate that cheaper always equals better. it's thinly veiled whiney racism, ie: compete or stfu.

You really dont have any idea of the problems caused by illegal immigration here so you should just stay away from this topic.

[dirtknap]

You really dont have any idea of the problems caused by illegal immigration here so you should just stay away from this topic.

because no other country has problems with immigration, right?

[Carl Ragadamn]

It's funny how the attitude of elitism has shifted from the coasts to the "heartland" in the past decade.
The heartland is not elitist, they just dont like policies dumped on them from people who are from high population centers. Only an idiot would believe that things are the same in high density and low density population areas.
i agree my family are essentially immigrants to australia. doesn't make me any less Australian. i'm not trying to blame immigrants for stealing jobs because i'm a fat fucker who is too lazy to work hard.

Lol there is a huge difference between immigrants and illegal immigrants.

[Carl Ragadamn]

because no other country has problems with immigration, right?

Yes I am sure you have 12 million people slipping in across your porous borders in Australia. Oh wait, no you dont.

[Slypieguy]

Reagan is proof that anyone, regardless of how unintelligent they may be, can be president of the US.

it's not about qualifications nor experience: it's about intelligence and judgement.

Wait so if experience doesn't matter, why all the experience-based criticism on Palin? Oh, that's right, you're towing a party line, my bad

[Drunkenork]

Yes I am sure you have 12 million people slipping in across your porous borders in Australia. Oh wait, no you dont.

rofl rofl

[dirtknap]

The heartland is not elitist, they just dont like policies dumped on them from people who are from high population centers. Only an idiot would believe that things are the same in high density and low density population areas.


it's called democracy dude...



Lol there is a huge difference between immigrants and illegal immigrants.

well the aborigines that lived here before us would have surely described the original English settlers as 'illegal immigrants'.

i get the strong feeling you feel you have an exclusive right to live where you live and to pour shit on "immigrants" because you're a WASP.

[Carl Ragadamn]

Wait so if experience doesn't matter, why all the experience-based criticism on Palin? Oh, that's right, you're towing a party line, my bad

No its worse than that, he is not even towing a party line, he is a devout follower of the Great Obama. Hell he isnt even American and he has bought into the messianic aura of Obama.

[dirtknap]

Wait so if experience doesn't matter, why all the experience-based criticism on Palin? Oh, that's right, you're towing a party line, my bad

i have echoed the same line throughout the thread: experience doesn't matter, intelligence and judgement does. I am saying Palin is stupid, as in dumb.

try reading the thread first.

[Slypieguy]

i have echoed the same line throughout the thread: experience doesn't matter, intelligence and judgement does. I am saying Palin is stupid, as in dumb.

try reading the thread first.

So you denounce others in the left making attacks on Palin based on her experience?

[Drunkenork]

it's called democracy dude...




well the aborigines that lived here before us would have surely described the original English settlers as 'illegal immigrants'.

i get the strong feeling you feel you have an exclusive right to live where you live and to pour shit on "immigrants" because you're a WASP.

Your logic is amazing.

[PsychoPigeon]

she's crazy

[Drunkenork]

i have echoed the same line throughout the thread: experience doesn't matter, intelligence and judgement does. I am saying Palin is stupid, as in dumb.

try reading the thread first.

Even if she were dumb, how do you still measure her running for vp vs. dumb Obama running for prez?

[dirtknap]

No its worse than that, he is not even towing a party line, he is a devout follower of the Great Obama. Hell he isnt even American and he has bought into the messianic aura of Obama.

because i think he's by far the most gifted candidate. A harvard-trained lawyer who chose to forego the big $$$ to go work in community centres doing community work says to me that he really does care about his community and country and i respect that yeah.

McCain has by any measure been a pretty lacklustre senator, he was even a pretty poor pilot from his military records. why anyone thinks a few years in a Hanoi prison makes you a good president i will never know. i could live with McCain as president, but not with Palin in tow, no way.

Palin is a flat-out poorly-educated fundamentalist moron.

Biden i know little about, he's going to get the fine toothcomb treatment from me next don't worry.

[Vertigo Vain]

USA: The most brainwashed nation in the world
The main thing the goverment tryes to brainwash them is to make them belive that everyone else in the world is brainwashed.

[Carl Ragadamn]

it's called democracy dude...




well the aborigines that lived here before us would have surely described the original English settlers as 'illegal immigrants'.

i get the strong feeling you feel you have an exclusive right to live where you live and to pour shit on "immigrants" because you're a WASP.

Um we dont live in a democracy...its a democratic Republic (or atleast its supposed to be)

If the aborigines want them gone, they should have done something about it.

I am pouring shit on ILLEGAL immigrants. Is it really that wrong to expect someone to respect our sovereignty and immigrate by the manner we have set up?

[Drunkenork]

because i think he's by far the most gifted candidate.

McCain has by any measure been a pretty lacklustre senator, he was even a pretty poor pilot from his military records. why anyone thinks a few years in a Hanoi prison makes you a good president i will never know.

Palin is a flat-out poorly-educated fundamentalist moron.

Biden i know little about, he's going to get the fine toothcomb treatment from me next don't worry.

Could you show me where Obama has made a great decision? Please, find a great decision besides his "present" votes.

[Virtra]

Um we dont live in a democracy...its a democratic Republic (or atleast its supposed to be)Yet it is still a democracy... a democratic republic is just a type of democracy.

[Drunkenork]

USA: The most brainwashed nation in the world
The main thing the goverment tryes to brainwash them is to make them belive that everyone else in the world is brainwashed.

Ya.... fail.

[Ziegler]

yeah that's how it's supposed to work. the worry is that the guy is 72 years old and has a history of melanoma (4 separate incidences already...), not to mention is already several years past the average US life expectancy.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/yourhealth/2006-06-11-male-lifespan_x.htm

75.2

How about Ted sitting in the senate with a brain tumor? no diminished brain capacity there.

[Carl Ragadamn]

Yet it is still a democracy... a democratic republic is just a type of democracy.

Its a type of democracy that protects the low population areas from the rule by high population areas. Go back and read the exchange.

[Slypieguy]

because i think he's by far the most gifted candidate. A harvard-trained lawyer who chose to forego the big $$$ to go work in community centres doing community work says to me that he really does care about his community and country and i respect that yeah.


Even if his heart is in the right place (which it isn't), he can still be dead wrong on 90% of his policy positions (which he is). I'm sure a lot of the democrats truly believe in their destructive platform, but that doesn't make it any less fail-ridden

[Slypieguy]

How about Ted sitting in the senate with a brain tumor? no diminished brain capacity there.

Not a big change, he didn't have any to begin with

[Carl Ragadamn]

Could you show me where Obama has made a great decision? Please, find a great decision besides his "present" votes.

I would settle for him showing us where Obama has made an important decision ever. We are talking about a candidate who's most difficult decision ever was trying to decide whether to support or oppose the war, while he was an Illinois State Senator.

[dirtknap]

Could you show me where Obama has made a great decision? Please, find a great decision besides his "present" votes.

i don't get this line of argument: why do you think making decisions is hard? you consult with advisors and decide. it's not complicated.

[Drunkenork]

I just thought it was if he should wear matching socks or not.

[Carl Ragadamn]

i don't get this line of argument: why do you think making decisions is hard? you consult with advisors and decide. it's not complicated.

Because Obama rarely has decided what side to be on.

[Drunkenork]

i don't get this line of argument: why do you think making decisions is hard? you consult with advisors and decide. it's not complicated.

Because you talk about good decision making, yet he has a LONG track record of making none.

[dirtknap]

I would settle for him showing us where Obama has made an important decision ever. We are talking about a candidate who's most difficult decision ever was trying to decide whether to support or oppose the war, while he was an Illinois State Senator.

don't be ridiculous: he was a senator for several years.

do you have problems making decisions? No? Why do you think anyone would?

it's a stupid argument.

[dirtknap]

Because you talk about good decision making, yet he has a LONG track record of making none.

have you read his record as a senator or are you just repeating the stuff you've heard on TV?

here (http://obama.senate.gov/votes/109/): there's thousands of decisions.

don't be a brainwashed tv canary moron all your life.

[Drunkenork]

don't be ridiculous: he was a senator for several years.

do you have problems making decisions? No? Why do you think anyone would?

it's a stupid argument.

That is the -whole- basis of your argument dirtnap.

[Vertigo Vain]

Its a type of democracy that protects the low population areas from the rule by high population areas. Go back and read the exchange.

I have to repeat following words:
USA: The most brainwashed nation in the world
The main thing the goverment tryes to brainwash them is to make them belive that everyone else in the world is brainwashed.

Democracy is democracy. There are lots of types, but it doesnt change fact that USA is simply constitutional federal state with representative democracy.

Not much different about any other democracy, except that you can legaly bribe your politicians and cant realy directly affect or choose your goverment, nor you have real freedom of choice who to vote too, being forced to choose between 2 oligarhies.

[Slypieguy]

don't be ridiculous: he was a senator for several years.

do you have problems making decisions? No? Why do you think anyone would?

it's a stupid argument.

They are saying he's untested when it comes to making big decisions (aka, how can we know he will make good decisions?). This was the whole point of the Hillary 3 a.m. commercial, even her campaign called him out on it.

[Drunkenork]

have you read his record as a senator or are you just repeating the stuff you've heard on TV?

It isn't encoded info that his career record has been just that. Liberal / conservative media all agree on that. It isn't a vastly conjured story as much as you would love it to be.

[dirtknap]

They are saying he's untested when it comes to making big decisions (aka, how can we know he will make good decisions?). This was the whole point of the Hillary 3 a.m. commercial, even her campaign called him out on it.

so get off your arses and read his fucking senatorial record? if i can do it and i'm not american, what does that say about you guys?

you're repeating something which is demonstrably false. it's bullshit politics and exactly the sort of thing Obama has been very vocal about trying to change.

[Slypieguy]

so get off your arses and read his fucking senatorial record? if i can do it and i'm not american, what does that say about you guys?

you're repeating something which is demonstrably false. it's bullshit politics and exactly the sort of thing Obama has been very vocal about trying to change.

He spent 134 days in the senate. Maybe look over his state senate record, that's where the real Obama can be found.

[dirtknap]

That is the -whole- basis of your argument dirtnap.

ok, i realise you're not very bright, but let me clarify:

a) i think both Obama and Palin are less experienced than your average presidential candidate. i don't see this as being a big deal, good considered judgement is a better quality than experience.

b) Palin is not very intelligent. Her party is refusing to let her speak of her own accord. Together with her less than impressive speeches available on youtube, this paints the picture of someone who isn't very intelligent.

[Drunkenork]

He spent 134 days in the senate. Maybe look over his state senate record, that's where the real Obama can be found.

And voted present 130 times....

[dirtknap]

He spent 134 days in the senate. Maybe look over his state senate record, that's where the real Obama can be found.

you know how the US senate works right? you realise this comment makes you look kinda stupid right?

[Carl Ragadamn]

so get off your arses and read his fucking senatorial record? if i can do it and i'm not american, what does that say about you guys?

you're repeating something which is demonstrably false. it's bullshit politics and exactly the sort of thing Obama has been very vocal about trying to change.

Here is an article about him voting present 130 time in the Illinois state senate.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/politics/20obama.html

In here they talk about how he votes with his party 96% of the time, how decisive of him.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/

[dirtknap]

It isn't encoded info that his career record has been just that. Liberal / conservative media all agree on that. It isn't a vastly conjured story as much as you would love it to be.

Well i already raised Reagan, and as most hardline republicans maintain, he was a good president, yet he had fuck-all experience relevant to the presidential position so i think we can all drop the experience argument, which is really just FUD at its core.

[Drunkenork]

ok, i realise you're not very bright, but let me clarify:

a) i think both Obama and Palin are less experienced than your average presidential candidate. i don't see this as being a big deal, good considered judgement is a better quality than experience.

b) Palin is not very intelligent. Her party is refusing to let her speak of her own accord. Together with her less than impressive speeches available on youtube, this paints the picture of someone who isn't very intelligent.

I might not be very bright, but I do "realise", when someone is making their their whole argument on "good decision making, yet none is shown.

Want some Obama youtube vids? I have a ton of them that are laughable, but you would probably assume it is the media creating false videos of Obama right?

[Carl Ragadamn]

you know how the US senate works right? you realise this comment makes you look kinda stupid right?

You must be experiencing translation errors.

[dirtknap]

In here they talk about how he votes with his party 96% of the time, how decisive of him.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/

and McCain voted with Bush 95% of the time - was that decisive too?

[Ziegler]

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/01/24/fact_check_obamas_present_votes/


he voted present many times. So whatever the reason, voting present is not voting yes or no...it is not taking a decisive stand.

[Carl Ragadamn]

Well i already raised Reagan, and as most hardline republicans maintain, he was a good president, yet he had fuck-all experience relevant to the presidential position so i think we can all drop the experience argument, which is really just FUD at its core.

The difference is that Regan had written hundreds of articles outlining his point of view. He was very clear about what he wanted and what he saw for the country.

[dirtknap]

Want some Obama youtube vids? I have a ton of them that are laughable, but you would probably assume it is the media creating false videos of Obama right?

I've seen pretty much everything on youtube champ.

[dirtknap]

The difference is that Regan had written hundreds of articles outlining his point of view. He was very clear about what he wanted and what he saw for the country.

irrelevant to the 'experience' argument, and you realise Obama has written 2 books right?

[Carl Ragadamn]

and McCain voted with Bush 95% of the time - was that decisive too?

His percentage has only been that high the last 2 years, and partially because hardly any bills have been voted on. Hell Obama has voted what Bush wanted 40% of the time over that span.

[Drunkenork]

Obama on the other hand is clearly one smart guy, with a great gift for speaking and leading. I'm not going to pretend I don't admire him as a candidate, I wish he were standing for Australian prime minister so i could vote for him.

These two look similar at all?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

[Drunkenork]

Writing a book does not hold a lot of water.

[Carl Ragadamn]

irrelevant to the 'experience' argument, and you realise Obama has written 2 books right?

2 books mostly about himself. He has revealed no dramatic plans for doing anything.

[dirtknap]

2 books mostly about himself. He has revealed no dramatic plans for doing anything.

You don't know shit about shit buddy. You owe it to your country to *at least* read the wikipedia entry on Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama)...

from wikipedia's entry on Obama's second book (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Audacity_of_Hope):


A "political biography that concentrates on the senator's core values," according to the Chicago Tribune,[5] The New York Times noted that "Mr. Obama’s new book, ‘The Audacity of Hope’ ... is much more of a political document. Portions of the volume read like outtakes from a stump speech, and the bulk of it is devoted to laying out Mr. Obama’s policy positions on a host of issues, from education to health care to the war in Iraq".[1]

The Chicago Tribune credits the large crowds that gathered at book signings with influencing Obama's decision to run for president.[6] Former presidential candidate Gary Hart describes the book as Obama's "thesis submission" for the U.S. presidency: "It presents a man of relative youth yet maturity, a wise observer of the human condition, a figure who possesses perseverance and writing skills that have flashes of grandeur."[7] Reviewer Michael Tomasky writes that it does not contain "boldly innovative policy prescriptions that will lead the Democrats out of their wilderness," but does show Obama's potential to "construct a new politics that is progressive but grounded in civic traditions that speak to a wider range of Americans."[8]


how can you even comment on the 2 candidates when you don't even know the basic facts about them?

[Drunkenork]

lol Wikipedia quotes? lmao!

[dirtknap]

lol Wikipedia quotes? lmao!

that whole section is from various newpapers you realise... or didn't you even read it?

[LordTenacious]

He is just following your lead dirtknap.

Time to leave this thread again, no point in trying to reason with someone who refuses to believe that someone would dare think differently from him.

[Carl Ragadamn]

You don't know shit about shit buddy. You owe it to your country to *at least* read the wikipedia entry on Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama)...

from wikipedia's entry on Obama's second book (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Audacity_of_Hope):



how can you even comment on the 2 candidates when you don't even know the basic facts about them?

Yay for knowing what he says about himself...He does not talk about how he would accomplish his vision for america. We are left to belive that he will magically will it to happen.

[dirtknap]

He is just following your lead dirtknap.

Time to leave this thread again, no point in trying to reason with someone who refuses to believe that someone would dare think differently from him.

I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me, but you do have to provide an argument.

no, "obama lolz" is not an argument.

[dirtknap]

Yay for knowing what he says about himself...He does not talk about how he would accomplish his vision for america. We are left to belive that he will magically will it to happen.

the whole book is about his vision for the country dude.

[Carl Ragadamn]

the whole book is about his vision for the country dude.

With no specifics, that makes him a dreamer.

[dirtknap]

With no specifics, that makes him a dreamer.

but that was ok for reagan? you're really really inconsistent. it's like you're finding any reason you can to reject the idea Obama is a half-decent candidate, seeing as you've focused exclusively on his character and not on his policies.

methinks you just can't bear the though of a black guy being teh prez. true/false? be honest.

[Cidius]

It sounds like she's a bit tight.

She should loosen up a bit and release all the tension. All the pressure.

If she was a man she could at least fap it away.

[Carl Ragadamn]

but that was ok for reagan? you're really really inconsistent. it's like you're finding any reason you can to reject the idea Obama is a half-decent candidate, seeing as you've focused exclusively on his character and not on his policies.

methinks you just can't bear the though of a black guy being teh prez. true/false? be honest.

Regan wrote specifics.


Oh your right I must be a racist. Good job on figuring me out. I return to my opinion that your are in fact 12.

[Slypieguy]

His percentage has only been that high the last 2 years, and partially because hardly any bills have been voted on. Hell Obama has voted what Bush wanted 40% of the time over that span.

lol REEEEAALLLL CHAAAANGEEEEEE *drool*

[dirtknap]

lol REEEEAALLLL CHAAAANGEEEEEE *drool*

proof of bipartisanship.

[Slypieguy]

proof of bipartisanship.

I assume you mean partisanship. That would require me to support McCain, sorry, you're wrong. Again, forumfall is not a 2-dimensional box when it comes to politics. You seem to be slow to learn this lesson.

[Carl Ragadamn]

I assume you mean partisanship. That would require me to support McCain, sorry, you're wrong. Again, forumfall is not a 2-dimensional box when it comes to politics. You seem to be slow to learn this lesson.

He is REEEEAAAALLLLL slow to pick up on it. Its almost like we have to all explain our political points of view in our sigs or something.

[losinglife]

I'm sorry but obama has is own damn agenda, and that is just to get into the whitehouse. If you cant see that shit then dont walk into a bunch of trees looking for a forest.

[dirtknap]

I'm sorry but obama has is own damn agenda, and that is just to get into the whitehouse.

Just like every presidential candidate.... duh.

[dirtknap]

I assume you mean partisanship. That would require me to support McCain, sorry, you're wrong. Again, forumfall is not a 2-dimensional box when it comes to politics. You seem to be slow to learn this lesson.

Definitions of partisanship (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=define%3Apartisanship&btnG=Search&meta=) on the Web:

* partiality: an inclination to favor one group or view or opinion over alternatives
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

* An inclination to be partisan or biased; partiality
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/partisanship


Definitions of bi-partisanship (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&oi=definer&q=define:bi-partisanship&defl=en) on the Web:

* In a two-party system (such as in the United States and in Canada), bipartisan refers to any bill, act, resolution, or any other action of a ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi-partisanship


you dumbarses. what was that about not knowing US politics again? you guys don't even know the most basic things about your own country, and you obviously don't care about it either because you haven't even read basic information of all the candidates, not just the one your dad/church/bible told you to support.

"You seem to be slow to learn this lesson" -- LOL

[Carl Ragadamn]

Definitions of partisanship (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=define%3Apartisanship&btnG=Search&meta=) on the Web:

* partiality: an inclination to favor one group or view or opinion over alternatives
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

* An inclination to be partisan or biased; partiality
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/partisanship


Definitions of bi-partisanship (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&oi=definer&q=define:bi-partisanship&defl=en) on the Web:

* In a two-party system (such as in the United States and in Canada), bipartisan refers to any bill, act, resolution, or any other action of a ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi-partisanship


you dumbarses. what was that about not knowing US politics again? you guys don't even know the most basic things about your own country, and you obviously don't care about it either because you haven't even read basic information of all the candidates, not just the one your dad/church/bible told you to support.

"You seem to be slow to learn this lesson" -- LOL

You fail because you assume that because you support one facet of a party, that you must support the party as a whole. We cant help the fact you were swayed by a pretty speech. Some of us just have higher standards, like ideas that work in the real world.

[dirtknap]

You fail because you assume that because you support one facet of a party, that you must support the party as a whole. We cant help the fact you were swayed by a pretty speech. Some of us just have higher standards, like ideas that work in the real world.

in case you haven't yet noticed, the US economy has been headed into the toilet for some time, your unemployment and foreign debt are at an all-time high, your health and education standards are lower than all the other 1st-world countries and you owe almost $1 trillion to China.

Oh and China is the new world superpower.

Yeah you guys are rockin alright.

Try pulling your head out of the sand someday.

[blemm]

What...what does that have to do with the post you quoted?

[dirtknap]

Even if his heart is in the right place (which it isn't), he can still be dead wrong on 90% of his policy positions (which he is). I'm sure a lot of the democrats truly believe in their destructive platform, but that doesn't make it any less fail-ridden

There are no 'right' or 'wrong' policies, there are just policies.

But let's just look at the facts, shall we? the US economy is in the toilet as a direct consequence of Bush's policies, most of which McCain is going to continue.

[Paralda]

I was wondering how long it'd take people to call Palin some form of Stalin.

[losinglife]

Just like every presidential candidate.... duh.

not exactly. I was referring more to how all he has wanted to do was become president no matter the cost. Wich means the mother fucker will do whatever it takes for that to happen. This = bad

[Helgeran]

Or maybe she's simply not used to speaking like... directly to a whole nation, being a deciding factor and everything? I would be fucking pissing myself all the time and man, would that kill anyone who chose me.
Well, assuming McCain dies of a heart attack so she must actually stand in for him not being able to speak to the public is a bad quality when you're VP imo.

Actually, I think Reps should rename their party Folksy.
I was wondering how long it'd take people to call Palin some form of Stalin.
Gotta wait till she does something authorian/genocidal or grows a moustage.

[Carl Ragadamn]

There are no 'right' or 'wrong' policies, there are just policies.

But let's just look at the facts, shall we? the US economy is in the toilet as a direct consequence of Bush's policies, most of which McCain is going to continue.
So because McCain might do a bad job, people should still like Obama even if they believe that he will definitely do a bad job. I am trying hard to understand how logic works in Absoluteville. It must be confusing there in a place where not liking one thing equals liking another thing. If I dont like carrots there, does that mean I like broccoli?

Well, assuming McCain dies of a heart attack so she must actually stand in for him not being able to speak to the public is a bad quality when you're VP imo.

Your right, because none of the other people had exploratory committees and time to get used to speaking to the nation. Fuck is it to much to ask for her to get a couple weeks of warm up. The election is in 8 weeks, if she is still jittery by then, people will respond negatively at the polls. To spend as much effort as some are doing to tear her down at this point, is beyond retarded. Its like half the world turned into Yin or something.

[Entreri]

I'm sorry but obama has is own damn agenda, and that is just to get into the whitehouse. If you cant see that shit then dont walk into a bunch of trees looking for a forest.

If that was true why would he choose to risk his campaign by not accepting any money from lobbyists or PACs to support his campaign?

[Slypieguy]

Definitions of partisanship (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=define%3Apartisanship&btnG=Search&meta=) on the Web:

* partiality: an inclination to favor one group or view or opinion over alternatives
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

* An inclination to be partisan or biased; partiality
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/partisanship


Definitions of bi-partisanship (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&oi=definer&q=define:bi-partisanship&defl=en) on the Web:

* In a two-party system (such as in the United States and in Canada), bipartisan refers to any bill, act, resolution, or any other action of a ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi-partisanship


you dumbarses. what was that about not knowing US politics again? you guys don't even know the most basic things about your own country, and you obviously don't care about it either because you haven't even read basic information of all the candidates, not just the one your dad/church/bible told you to support.

"You seem to be slow to learn this lesson" -- LOL

You're an idiot. I knew exactly what those two terms meant without looking them up. You quoted me mocking Obama and then said "proof of bipartisanship." That makes no fucking sense at all. Mocking a democrat is proof that I'm a fan of Republicans and Democrats working together? Either you meant to say partisanship, or you don't even know what the hell you are talking about. Please learn to make a coherent statement.

[Geminireaper]

She did an hour long interview with Mario Bartiromo from CNBC 1 week before she was picked for VP. Some good Q&A in that interview.

Pre Scripted interview...pretty easy when people tell you what to say.

[Slypieguy]

Pre Scripted interview...pretty easy when people tell you what to say.

Everything in presidential politics is pre-scripted. At least in that interview she wasn't known to be the VP yet.

[Helgeran]

Your right, because none of the other people had exploratory committees and time to get used to speaking to the nation. Fuck is it to much to ask for her to get a couple weeks of warm up. The election is in 8 weeks, if she is still jittery by then, people will respond negatively at the polls. To spend as much effort as some are doing to tear her down at this point, is beyond retarded. Its like half the world turned into Yin or something.
Nooo don't hate on mah favourite noob!

Why not pick someone who's already a good speaker?

[Carl Ragadamn]

Nooo don't hate on mah favourite noob!

Why not pick someone who's already a good speaker?

Because McCain is as ego centric as any other person who wants to be president. He needed someone who would energize his base, so that he can reach for the middle. He also needed someone who did not have the power to call him out publicly when he is being a moron.

Personally I wanted him to snag Mike Pence, but Pence would have run over him on the issues where McCain is flat wrong, like global warming.

My bet is that you will find her to be an above average speaker in a few weeks, and if you dont, then dont vote for McCain :lmao:.

[Drunkenork]

You're an idiot. I knew exactly what those two terms meant without looking them up. You quoted me mocking Obama and then said "proof of bipartisanship." That makes no fucking sense at all. Mocking a democrat is proof that I'm a fan of Republicans and Democrats working together? Either you meant to say partisanship, or you don't even know what the hell you are talking about. Please learn to make a coherent statement.

BABoosh.

[dirtknap]

You're an idiot. I knew exactly what those two terms meant without looking them up. You quoted me mocking Obama and then said "proof of bipartisanship." That makes no fucking sense at all. Mocking a democrat is proof that I'm a fan of Republicans and Democrats working together? Either you meant to say partisanship, or you don't even know what the hell you are talking about. Please learn to make a coherent statement.

ORLY?

Here's what you said: "Obama has voted what Bush wanted 40% of the time over that span."

I said: "Proof of bipartisanship"

which it is, it shows Obama draws across party lines when the GOP have a good idea.

You said "NO lolz partisanship"

I then provided definitions of both terms to wtfpwn your stupidity.

that is all, thanks for playing!

[dirtknap]

Because McCain is as ego centric as any other person who wants to be president. He needed someone who would energize his base, so that he can reach for the middle. He also needed someone who did not have the power to call him out publicly when he is being a moron.

Personally I wanted him to snag Mike Pence, but Pence would have run over him on the issues where McCain is flat wrong, like global warming.

My bet is that you will find her to be an above average speaker in a few weeks, and if you dont, then dont vote for McCain :lmao:.

Flat wrong about global warming? lol? It's McCain's saving grace that he is wise enough to be on board of current scientific issues like global warming and stem cell research. McCain is already centrist, Palin is right wing, and since signing her on, his whole platform has shifted to the right, eg: hiring of former Bush advisors.

[Slypieguy]

ORLY?

Here's what you said: "Obama has voted what Bush wanted 40% of the time over that span."

I said: "Proof of bipartisanship"

which it is, it shows Obama draws across party lines when the GOP have a good idea.

You said "NO lolz partisanship"

I then provided definitions of both terms to wtfpwn your stupidity.

that is all, thanks for playing!

Bold part is incorrect. I quoted someone else saying that and I said "CHAAAAANGEEEEE *drool*" (mocking Obama). It's all in the thread, you can go back and read it :)

[Slypieguy]

Flat wrong about global warming? lol? It's McCain's saving grace that he is wise enough to be on board of current scientific issues like global warming and stem cell research. McCain is already centrist, Palin is right wing, and since signing her on, his whole platform has shifted to the right, eg: hiring of former Bush advisors.

LOL. She's using Bush campaign staff, not policy advisers. I would say Bush's campaign staff is pretty fucking good if they got his dumb ass elected twice, so why shouldn't she use them? Jesus you fail so hard.

[blemm]

No, seriously, come on. What does this:

in case you haven't yet noticed, the US economy has been headed into the toilet for some time, your unemployment and foreign debt are at an all-time high, your health and education standards are lower than all the other 1st-world countries and you owe almost $1 trillion to China.

Oh and China is the new world superpower.

Yeah you guys are rockin alright.

Try pulling your head out of the sand someday.

Have to do with this:

You fail because you assume that because you support one facet of a party, that you must support the party as a whole. We cant help the fact you were swayed by a pretty speech. Some of us just have higher standards, like ideas that work in the real world.

I really want to know.

[Heartnet~]

Your right, because none of the other people had exploratory committees and time to get used to speaking to the nation. Fuck is it to much to ask for her to get a couple weeks of warm up. The election is in 8 weeks, if she is still jittery by then, people will respond negatively at the polls. To spend as much effort as some are doing to tear her down at this point, is beyond retarded. Its like half the world turned into Yin or something.The media has been oddly biased against her. But, regardless, I realized several minutes into her acceptance speech that she was a terrible pick for the maverick, and so did many others, no media bias required.

[Ezion]

and rather than properly fighting the japs, you cowardly dropped atomic bombs on 2 civilian cities, without question the greatest act of terrorism in history.


The troll wins this time.

[Slypieguy]

The media has been oddly biased against her. But, regardless, I realized several minutes into her acceptance speech that she was a terrible pick for the maverick, and so did many others, no media bias required.

Well according to the polls, you and those "many others" are the minority

[Heartnet~]

Well according to the polls, you and those "many others" are the minority
That's how it usually is : P

[losinglife]

If that was true why would he choose to risk his campaign by not accepting any money from lobbyists or PACs to support his campaign?

1 (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-04-15-obama_n.htm)

2 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/25/obamas-lobbyists-connecti_n_103474.html)

3 (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/08/09/pacs_and_lobbyists_aided_obamas_rise/)

4 (http://uspolitics.about.com/b/2008/03/31/obamas-disingenuous-pac-statement.htm)

5 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312933,00.html)

6 (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2007/11/oops-1.html)

I could probably go on, but i got bored

[Gloomrender]

Well according to the polls, you and those "many others" are the minority

Do you always root for whoever the polls favor?

[LordTenacious]

I guess that makes all Obama supporters fair weather fans.

Come on people, we don't need to add more straw men to this scarecrow factory of a forum.

[dirtknap]

LOL. She's using Bush campaign staff, not policy advisers. I would say Bush's campaign staff is pretty fucking good if they got his dumb ass elected twice, so why shouldn't she use them? Jesus you fail so hard.

McCain is a 'he' first of all. Secondly and more importantly, it directly constradicts his assertion that he is a man of change, a maverick. In other words, it makes him a bald-faced liar.

If I were as dumb as you I would think everyone around me was fail too.

[sorros]

LOL. She's using Bush campaign staff, not policy advisers. I would say Bush's campaign staff is pretty fucking good if they got his dumb ass elected twice, so why shouldn't she use them? Jesus you fail so hard.

he cheated in both, you dont remember that?

and getting a majority of Americans to vote for an idiot obviously isnt hard, looking back on history.

[Surly]

Fap fap fap fap.

[Dwhap]

Well according to the polls, you and those "many others" are the minority

Well, up until she did her first real interview yesterday I actually liked her. Unfortunately our worst fears have come to light. She sounded like a complete idiot and knew absolutely nothing about foriegn affairs (or the economy). When the interviewer asked her what she thought about the current Bush Doctrine regarding foriegn relations, she didn't even know what it was... I was going to write in Nader's name this fall but after hearing that interview I have changed my mind and will now vote for Obama. There is no way we can let that Palan idiot in the white house. Especially with McCain one foot in the grave already...

[Surly]

Fap.

[Ziegler]

WW2 is a classic case of US cowardice and i'm not sure why you think it's relevant to not being able to teach the metric system, but w/e.

Yeah, I guess it is prety coward to send a letter to your enemy that declared war on you, and say hey...you know...you can either surrender or suffer utter destruction...


They didnt respond....we dropped the bomb...So we warned them yet again..surrender or suffer total destruction..they refused and we dropped a second bomb.

That's cowardice? You're just an anti-american puke that is blinded by hatered and jealousy....what, did some american service girl whoop your ass on shore leave?

[Carl Ragadamn]

Fap fap fap fap.

Fap.

These are sadly the best posts of this thread.

[dirtknap]

These are sadly the best posts of this thread.

only because you and your slow-speaking southern buddies lack the intelligence to process any of the on-topic ones.

yeehaw.

[Drunkenork]

only because you and your slow-speaking southern buddies lack the intelligence to process any of the on-topic ones.

yeehaw.

Fail.

[dirtknap]

Yeah, I guess it is prety coward to send a letter to your enemy that declared war on you, and say hey...you know...you can either surrender or suffer utter destruction...


They didnt respond....we dropped the bomb...So we warned them yet again..surrender or suffer total destruction..they refused and we dropped a second bomb.

That's cowardice? You're just an anti-american puke that is blinded by hatered and jealousy....what, did some american service girl whoop your ass on shore leave?

cowardice is cowardice. deliberately targeting civilians is terrorism. the fact you guys don't even face up to it is cowardice. yes i know times were different then but it's still not an excuse.

if you guys stopped pretending your own shit didn't stink people would dislike you a lot less.

[Attau]

Well, up until she did her first real interview yesterday I actually liked her. Unfortunately our worst fears have come to light. She sounded like a complete idiot and knew absolutely nothing about foriegn affairs (or the economy). When the interviewer asked her what she thought about the current Bush Doctrine regarding foriegn relations, she didn't even know what it was... I was going to write in Nader's name this fall but after hearing that interview I have changed my mind and will now vote for Obama. There is no way we can let that Palan idiot in the white house. Especially with McCain one foot in the grave already...

You think obama's foreign policy is any different? :ohno:

[Carl Ragadamn]

You think obama's foreign policy is any different? :ohno:

Obama will atleast give them a pretty speech before fucking them in the ass.

[Dwhap]

You think obama's foreign policy is any different? :ohno:

If you mean his experience, then yea it is different. Palin didn't even have a passport up until a few months ago... She has only been out of the country one time in her life..

The fact that she seemed to know nothing about foriegn affairs isn't the worst of it. She sounds like a mental midget, and I personally have had enough of letting mental midgets run the US government.

[Drunkenork]

I don't get the Palin vs. Obama thing....

Not the same job. At least compare Palin with Biden.

[MayneIdeedIt]

I don't get the Palin vs. Obama thing....

Obama is too crap to be an actual president but he might be more suitable for vice-president than a woman. Great accomplishment.

[Drunkenork]

Obama is too crap to be an actual president but he might be more suitable for vice-president than a woman. Great accomplishment.

LAWL

[Rocipe]

Cake is all I can say.

i, too, welcome cake. Or pie, not wait, cookies. definitely cookies

[Slypieguy]

Do you always root for whoever the polls favor?

I was just pointing out that he while he was trying to make it sound like Palin has hurt McCain's campaign, she has actually significantly helped it.

McCain is a 'he' first of all. Secondly and more importantly, it directly constradicts his assertion that he is a man of change, a maverick. In other words, it makes him a bald-faced liar.


His campaign staff has nothing to do with his policies and doesn't contradict anything. Do I have to spell that out for you? Apparently so. All they do it figure out how to win the election for him, he isn't going to them asking for policy advice. And I'm not saying McCain will be the changegasm that everyone wants (neither will Obama), but trying to point to his campaign staff as evidence of that is just idiotic.

he cheated in both, you dont remember that?

and getting a majority of Americans to vote for an idiot obviously isnt hard, looking back on history.

LOL oh yea, Bush cheated I forgot :rolleyes:
You're right, it isn't hard to get a majority of Americans to vote for an idiot; it will happen this year either way.


Well, up until she did her first real interview yesterday I actually liked her. Unfortunately our worst fears have come to light. She sounded like a complete idiot and knew absolutely nothing about foriegn affairs (or the economy). When the interviewer asked her what she thought about the current Bush Doctrine regarding foriegn relations, she didn't even know what it was... I was going to write in Nader's name this fall but after hearing that interview I have changed my mind and will now vote for Obama. There is no way we can let that Palan idiot in the white house. Especially with McCain one foot in the grave already...

MATT DAMON

[Tzacharu]

Every time I hear her say her "ers" it makes my skin curl.

Her interview yesterday was awful. She had no idea what she was talking about.

[dirtknap]

You think obama's foreign policy is any different? :ohno:

don't you guys even READ about the candidates? Obama and Palin are direct opposites of each other on almost every policy.

Obama wants to get out of Iraq, put more effort into catching bin Laden, and deal with Iran by direct diplomacy.

McCain wants to remain in Iraq (and aqccumulating much more foreign debt), and to call Iran bad names and hope they roll over, and/or possibly invade them sometime in the future.

[Silverhandorder]

don't you guys even READ about the candidates? Obama and Palin are direct opposites of each other on almost every policy.

Obama wants to get out of Iraq, put more effort into catching bin Laden, and deal with Iran by direct diplomacy.

McCain wants to remain in Iraq (and aqccumulating much more foreign debt), and to call Iran bad names and hope they roll over, and/or possibly invade them sometime in the future.

BWAHAHAHA you are a tool. Obama will not get you out of Iraq any faster then republicans. It is obvious from his rhetoric that he is not promising anything.

[dirtknap]

Every time I hear her say her "ers" it makes my skin curl.

Her interview yesterday was awful. She had no idea what she was talking about.

indeed. especially amusing is the fact she didn't even KNOW what Bush's policy on Iraq was, and the way she just kept repeating what she'd been told for certain questions even when the interviewer asked her the same question 3 times.

and LOL at having foreign relations experience because you can see Russia from Alaska. even a top-quality comedy show would have trouble coming up with something as funny as that.

no wonder they have been telling her not to give interviews.

[Bunnyloaf]

Pstalin? How dare you compare such a brilliant man to such a stupid woman.

[dirtknap]

BWAHAHAHA you are a tool. Obama will not get you out of Iraq any faster then republicans. It is obvious from his rhetoric that he is not promising anything.

least i'm not an ignorant moron who can't use google... from Obama's policy page on Iraq (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/):

"Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government. Military experts believe we can safely redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of 1 to 2 brigades a month that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 – more than 7 years after the war began.

Under the Obama plan, a residual force will remain in Iraq and in the region to conduct targeted counter-terrorism missions against al Qaeda in Iraq and to protect American diplomatic and civilian personnel. "

seems pretty clear to me.

I guess it's no coincidence that all the anti-Obama people in OT are dumb, racist fucks.

[Slypieguy]

least i'm not an ignorant moron who can't use google... from Obama's policy page on Iraq (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/):

"Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government. Military experts believe we can safely redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of 1 to 2 brigades a month that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 – more than 7 years after the war began.

Under the Obama plan, a residual force will remain in Iraq and in the region to conduct targeted counter-terrorism missions against al Qaeda in Iraq and to protect American diplomatic and civilian personnel. "

seems pretty clear to me.

I guess it's no coincidence that all the anti-Obama people in OT are dumb, racist fucks.


Too bad what it says on his website and what actually comes out of his mouth are 2 different things... or more like 4 or 5 different things, lol. And you're pretty naive to believe any of it. Bush campaigned on a policy of no nation-building and you see how he delivered on that. If you think Obama or any other of the party hacks are more trustworthy on delivering what they say they'll do (lol dem congress was supposed to end the war too), you have been had, sir.

[Septus]

Too bad what it says on his website and what actually comes out of his mouth are 2 different things... or more like 4 or 5 different things, lol. And you're pretty naive to believe any of it. Bush campaigned on a policy of no nation-building and you see how he delivered on that. If you think Obama or any other of the party hacks are more trustworthy on delivering what they say they'll do (lol dem congress was supposed to end the war too), you have been had, sir.

But in terms of relativism, it's easy to see who will spend less, create less war, etc.

[Drunkenork]

1 (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-04-15-obama_n.htm)

2 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/25/obamas-lobbyists-connecti_n_103474.html)

3 (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/08/09/pacs_and_lobbyists_aided_obamas_rise/)

4 (http://uspolitics.about.com/b/2008/03/31/obamas-disingenuous-pac-statement.htm)

5 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312933,00.html)

6 (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2007/11/oops-1.html)

I could probably go on, but i got bored

Nice work.

[Caffy]

indeed. especially amusing is the fact she didn't even KNOW what Bush's policy on Iraq was, and the way she just kept repeating what she'd been told for certain questions even when the interviewer asked her the same question 3 times.


He asked her what the "Bush Doctrine" was. That's a pretty vague reference that most people watching weren't sure WHICH Bush Doctrine he was refering to.

Was he talking about the Bush Doctrine of going after terrorists where ever they hide? The Bush Doctrine of Preemptive strikes against eminent threats? The Bush Doctrine of using soft power to isolate enemy states, and attempt to criple them and avoid a war? Which one?

Once he specified what he meant she gave a reasonable answer.

She kept repeating herself because she had already answered the question. Israel has the right to defend itself, and the US is their staunch allie. Period. Only a retard trying to play "gotcha!" politics wouldn't have understood that.


"Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government. Military experts believe we can safely redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of 1 to 2 brigades a month that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 – more than 7 years after the war began.

Under the Obama plan, a residual force will remain in Iraq and in the region to conduct targeted counter-terrorism missions against al Qaeda in Iraq and to protect American diplomatic and civilian personnel. "


That doesn't differ much from the current Bush plan. :rolleyes:

It says plain as day he will withdraw based on circumstances on the ground. He has said in dozens of interviews that his timeline wasn't hard and fast and would be delayed if circumstances required. Exactly what Bush and McCain say.

The only reason he could actually follow his timeline is because Bush pulled his head out of his ass, fired Rummy and started listening to competent counter insurgency experts, who were being supported by McCain.

Are you just completely incapable of being objective?

[Beorg]

I guess she didn't want to tell anyone anymore about how she was given the assignment by God to go on a crusade in the middle east.

And that Hitler has collaborated with the Legion of Doom to assassinate Jesus.

[Drunkenork]

Good point

[dirtknap]

He asked her what the "Bush Doctrine" was. That's a pretty vague reference that most people watching weren't sure WHICH Bush Doctrine he was refering to.


no she is just not that smart, it was immediately obvious to anyone with a clue.

Are you just completely incapable of being objective?

i was only responding to the turkey who claimed obama didn't have definite/specific policy on iraq withdrawal. McCain is still leaning toward long-term occupation of Iraq; Obama is against it.

I didn't have a major issue with McCain until he signed Pstalin on for VP, i just think Obama is a shitload smarter and more talented. McCain is just an old guy who hasn't really done anything special in his life. He'd be fine i'm sure, just another Bush. But Palin, she's just a fucking dumb redneck.

Basically boils down to New America vs Old America.

[Slypieguy]

But in terms of relativism, it's easy to see who will spend less, create less war, etc.

Right, both will create more war, and McCain will spend a bit less (but still too much). That wasn't really the point though.

[Caffy]

no she is just not that smart, it was immediately obvious to anyone with a clue.


I don't know enough about her to judge how smart/stupid she is. Nothing I have seen so far suggests she's any less intelligent than Obama. That guy has mastered the art of "Uh" better than anyone in the history of politics. It's ironic that people attack Palin for things that they defend Obama for. Both give a good speech off a teleprompter and are uninspiring when they're off it. The Palin intreview wasn't inspiring, or brilliant, but I didn't see anything that made her look bad.

i was only responding to the turkey who claimed obama didn't have definite/specific policy on iraq withdrawal. McCain is still leaning toward long-term occupation of Iraq; Obama is against it.


Obama's idea of a 'small' force to continue hunting terrorists in Iraq is 50,000-75,000 troops; according to the latest interviews he's done. He says it differently, but it's essentially the same thing. I'll never understand why people think there's a big difference between these two's policies. They have different reasoning behind them, and word them differently, but in the end it's splitting hairs to find that line.

I can't stand either one, and the only reason I'm going to pull the lever for McCain is Obama's radical view on the supreme court. If they want to change the constitution they're going to have to do it the legal way, with all the obstacles and debate that goes along with it.

Well, that and Obama scares the hell out of me with his far left ideas. Atleast McCain will just continue the current level of suck, not take it to a new extreme.

[Drunkenork]

Well, that and Obama scares the hell out of me with his far left ideas. Atleast McCain will just continue the current level of suck, not take it to a new extreme.

Kudos

[pyrow]

Well, that and Obama scares the hell out of me with his far left ideas. Atleast McCain will just continue the current level of suck, not take it to a new extreme.

Not true. McCain wants to spend 10 billion dollars a month staying in Iraq for "100 years" as well as attacking Iran and Russia, and whoever else wants to try and stop us, at the same time.

Obama will bring the troops home in 16 months, and work on rebuilding America, not Iraq.

We're a breath away from depression, we cant afford to be in war much longer, other wise USA will sell to the highest bidder. GG if you dont understand.

[Slypieguy]

Obama will bring the troops home in 16 months, and work on rebuilding America, not Iraq.


:lmao::lmao:


We're a breath away from depression, we cant afford to be in war much longer, other wise USA will sell to the highest bidder. GG if you dont understand.

Expensive war.... socialist economic policy, pick your poison.

[pyrow]

Expensive war.... socialist economic policy, pick your poison.

Didnt know equal rights and opportunities was socialism. You'll still be able to be rich, you wont make the SAME money as 100% of america. Maybe im misunderstanding where you're getting this from?

[Caffy]

Didnt know equal rights and opportunities was socialism. You'll still be able to be rich, you wont make the SAME money as 100% of america. Maybe im misunderstanding where you're getting this from?

Being robbed by the government on behalf of poor people isn't much different from being robbed by the poor people themselves. The only difference is, I can't shoot them for it.

[Slypieguy]

Didnt know equal rights and opportunities was socialism. You'll still be able to be rich, you wont make the SAME money as 100% of america. Maybe im misunderstanding where you're getting this from?

You cited the war as something that will make our economy continue to struggle (McCain). I cited socialist economic policy that will make our economy continue to struggle (Obama). Raising taxes on rich people and corporations has nothing to do with "equal rights and opportunities." It has everything to do with stifling economic growth and sending more jobs overseas.

[pyrow]

Being robbed by the government on behalf of poor people isn't much different from being robbed by the poor people themselves. The only difference is, I can't shoot them for it.

I doubt very much you have enough money to be considered the 1% of America that is extremely rich. As long as you dont have 7 houses worth 13 million dollars, you should be exactly where I stand.

[Slypieguy]

I doubt very much you have enough money to be considered the 1% of America that is extremely rich. As long as you dont have 7 houses worth 13 million dollars, you should be exactly where I stand.

Sorry to burst your talking point bubble, but Obama plans to raise taxes on much more than just the top 1%. And even if it were only the top 1% I would still disagree with him.

[pyrow]

You cited the war as something that will make our economy continue to struggle (McCain). I cited socialist economic policy that will make our economy continue to struggle (Obama). Raising taxes on rich people and corporations has nothing to do with "equal rights and opportunities." It has everything to do with stifling economic growth and sending more jobs overseas.

No use arguing when you speak just as much bullshit as the campaign ads you see on TV.

[Slypieguy]

No use arguing when you speak just as much bullshit as the campaign ads you see on TV.

So are you claiming that Obama won't raise taxes on the rich and corporations? Or are you claiming that these policies will actually have positive effects? I guess it doesn't matter, because you would be so obviously wrong either way that debating it wouldn't even be necessary.

[pyrow]

Sorry to burst your talking point bubble, but Obama plans to raise taxes on much more than just the top 1%. And even if it were only the top 1% I would still disagree with him.

The top 1% is included. 95% of america isnt "rich" they will still have taxes, but not enough to make them poor as shit like most of us are. I was saying the 1% richest dont even have taxes. the other 4% that are getting the increase can afford it. The people like me who live in a 40,000 dollar house cant afford to pay 30,000 dollars a year just to live.

@ Above

... Im saying what Obama is going to do. He will tax the big oil companies that make 100's of billions a year and have NO taxes. As well as other fuckers who do near the same.