New life form discoverd...?

[Tyro]

NO, MADE! Biologist and chemest have almost created a new and ever evolving life form!

To read more about it go here.












































http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/09/biologists-on-t.html?npu=1&mbid=yhp


How do you guys feel about this?

[Dredgon]

Spore penis creatures coming to RL?

[WhySoSerious]

I feel....


Science + over 9000 points
God = 0


Lol god.

[Uzik]

Spore IMO

[Gibsnag]

Science progresses, our substantial ignorance decreases. Good stuff.

[IcePillow]

This will change the world as we know it!
I mean.. We can LOOK at it! What else can we do?

[Morthor]

How can any advance in science not be a good thing?

[Shads]

I know a few guys that are pretty much on par with that guy, media is so unfair.

[Goty]

Now we're all sons of bitches.

[MattMystrieo]

How can any advance in science not be a good thing?

You wouldn't say that if God was here.

[surGeonFFS]

This is win. I'll take one unicorn and one miniature elephant please.

[MorkDaOrc]

Now we're all sons of bitches.

QFT :lmao:

[Futurity]

Yes, created, like every creation demands a creator.

[Gibsnag]

Infinite regress much?

[ClownFoot]

Yes, created, like every creation demands a creator.

OMJESUS! PM me aboot creation science please?

[Viranth]

Ok, so they're on the verge of creating life. And they are about to hit the on switch on the CERN machine...

Me thinks it can go very wrong soon.

[Lethn]

wimp, your just scared of finding out the secret of the way the universe was created.

[Dwhap]

Once we figure out what is needed to create life from scratch we will finally be able to figure out for sure how life spontaneously ignited on our planet. The leading theory right now is that a self-replicating strand of RNA (which occurs naturally) floated into an orb made up of fatty chemicals (which also occurs naturally, kind of like a drop of oil in water makes an orb) and started replicating. The chemical makeup of the fatty orb was such that it allowed for the energy/chemicals the RNA needed to replicate to pass by the orbs tension boundary while at the same time trapping and protecting the RNA inside, thus creating the first basic cell.

[ClownFoot]

Ok, so they're on the verge of creating life. And they are about to hit the on switch on the CERN machine...

Me thinks it can go very wrong soon.

If shit hits the fan you can stay in my panic room with me. In return I expect you to recommend to branny-kins to make me a mod.

[Dwhap]

If shit hits the fan you can stay in my panic room with me. In return I expect you to recommend to branny-kins to make me a mod.

As long as you don't bring the dead chick in your sig, I may join you there...

[ClownFoot]

As long as you don't bring the dead chick in your sig, I may join you there...

When the fuck did I invite you?

[surGeonFFS]

Yes, created, like every creation demands a creator.

It's just a matter of time before figure out exactly how the same reactions can happen in nature and prove it's possible. Chemistry isn't like carpentry. You're not magically putting together molecules that doesn't fit together. If it can happen in a lab it's not a stretch to assume it can most likely happen under natural conditions too over a huge timeline.

[zie]

I for one welcome our new protocell overlords.

[Jackhowitzer]

watch us make Protoss, or Zerg..

[Jackhowitzer]

I for one welcome our new protocell overlords.

HERE HERE! To our new protocell overlords.

[Forgin]

I am amazed this community can take interest into these kind of things.

One day I flame noobs and make 12 year olds cry while waiting for a game where I will ruin the virtual live of others.

The other day I read interesting articles about the Large Hadron Collider, black holes, and the creation of artificial life.

And just doesn't fit...

[Dwhap]

It's just a matter of time before figure out exactly how the same reactions can happen in nature and prove it's possible. Chemistry isn't like carpentry. You're not magically putting together molecules that doesn't fit together. If it can happen in a lab it's not a stretch to assume it can most likely happen under natural conditions too over a huge timeline.

Agreed. I just hope some dumb ass scientist doesn't accidently let their new creation loose in the wild...

[ClownFoot]

I am amazed this community can take interest into these kind of things.

One day I flame noobs and make 12 year olds cry while waiting for a game where I will ruin the virtual live of others.

The other day I read interesting articles about the Large Hadron Collider, black holes, and the creation of artificial life.

And just doesn't fit...

Just because we are a bunch of pricks doesn't mean we aren't smart pricks.

[Dwhap]

I am amazed this community can take interest into these kind of things.

One day I flame noobs and make 12 year olds cry while waiting for a game where I will ruin the virtual live of others.

The other day I read interesting articles about the Large Hadron Collider, black holes, and the creation of artificial life.

And just doesn't fit...

As I said in a previous post; No longer matter how bad the game turns out to be, as long as at least half the assholes in this forum play, it will still be entertaining...

[Goty]

I am amazed this community can take interest into these kind of things.

One day I flame noobs and make 12 year olds cry while waiting for a game where I will ruin the virtual live of others.

The other day I read interesting articles about the Large Hadron Collider, black holes, and the creation of artificial life.

And just doesn't fit...

That's the reason I've been hooked to the OT for so long. Forumfall is my only internet hangout, and this is the reason. Most of the interesting, fascinating, and bizarre tidbits of news and info I glean from Forumfall.

[Delwyn]

Yes, created, like every creation demands a creator.

We're god!

[surGeonFFS]

I am amazed this community can take interest into these kind of things.

One day I flame noobs and make 12 year olds cry while waiting for a game where I will ruin the virtual live of others.

The other day I read interesting articles about the Large Hadron Collider, black holes, and the creation of artificial life.

And just doesn't fit...

Well, love for video games and love for technology and science has always been walking hand in hand. I'm guessing it has something to do with escaping the real world of present time.

[Curcio]

Ok, so they're on the verge of creating life. And they are about to hit the on switch on the CERN machine...

Me thinks it can go very wrong soon.

I agree. It's so exciting! I can't wait until things start going crazy.
Life is too boring right now as it stands. Things need to be shaken up!

[Futurity]

It's just a matter of time before figure out exactly how the same reactions can happen in nature and prove it's possible. Chemistry isn't like carpentry. You're not magically putting together molecules that doesn't fit together. If it can happen in a lab it's not a stretch to assume it can most likely happen under natural conditions too over a huge timeline.

1. I don't care what you believe. I don't care what you believe might happen. Please take your belief system out of the equation.

2. Again you miss the obvious point: intelligent scientists(creators) creating life in laboratory is definitely not evidance for evolution. On contrary, it is evidance that you need intelligence to create life, great evidance for creation.

[Delwyn]

I am amazed this community can take interest into these kind of things.

One day I flame noobs and make 12 year olds cry while waiting for a game where I will ruin the virtual live of others.

The other day I read interesting articles about the Large Hadron Collider, black holes, and the creation of artificial life.

And just doesn't fit...

On the right days, DF off-topic is the most intelligent forum on the internet. On the wrong days, it's the dumbest.

Wait for futurity to drag us back down.

Edit: Guess he beat me to it.

[LordRolo]

watch us make Protoss, or Zerg..

OMFG SHUSH!

do you want EVERYONE to know the story line to starcaft 2!

[surGeonFFS]

1. I don't care what you believe. I don't care what you believe might happen. Please take your belief system out of the equation.

2. Again you miss the obvious point: intelligent scientists(creators) creating life in laboratory is definitely not evidance for evolution. On contrary, it is evidance that you need intelligence to create life, great evidance for creation.

You're probably a troll but I'll bite.

1. I didn't say anything about my beliefs. What the fuck are you talking about?
2. No, You're missing the point. It's a fallacy to say scientists doing it is proof for them being needed to do so. It DOES prove that chemically possible for molecules coming together under natural conditions from inanimate compounds and creating life.

[Gibsnag]

2. Again you miss the obvious point: intelligent scientists(creators) creating life in laboratory is definitely not evidance for evolution. On contrary, it is evidance that you need intelligence to create life, great evidance for creation.

Bzzzt, fail logic.

Its evidence that life can be created artificially. Not that it has to be.

[Atnas]

I want zerg! Give it to me!

[Shads]

I want zerg! Give it to me!

And all the girlies say I'm pretty fly for a white guy.

[Curcio]

Bzzzt, fail logic.

Its evidence that life can be created artificially. Not that it has to be.
It proves that we were not specifically created by a higher power, but maybe just a different source... Aliens!!! :D

[Gibsnag]

It proves that we were not specifically created by a higher power, but maybe just a different source... Aliens!!! :D

Its more likely than a creator deity.

[Dwhap]

1. I don't care what you believe. I don't care what you believe might happen. Please take your belief system out of the equation.

2. Again you miss the obvious point: intelligent scientists(creators) creating life in laboratory is definitely not evidance for evolution. On contrary, it is evidance that you need intelligence to create life, great evidance for creation.

Please lets not turn this into a debate about religious belief, mystism, UFOs, etc. Just because life probably have began on earth via random complex chemical reactions doesn't mean it disproves the existance of god.

[Duffren]

This is so cool. Too bad it wont get real good within our lifetime. :(

[Tyler]

Ok, so they're on the verge of creating life. And they are about to hit the on switch on the CERN machine...

Me thinks it can go very wrong soon.

i guess i will never understand why we tinker around with this shit. some of you folks may think that these lab coat wearin madmen have everything all well in hand, but they dont.

humans have very, very basic needs, shelter, water, food, fun. how does any of this shit help. CERN is a billions of billions investment, micro biology is too. what do these things produce? nothing worthwhile in my eyes. humans don't need to be smashing molecules, or creating unnatural cellular life. we need to be eating, drinking and having fun. if all science was dedicated to these principals, if there was billions of dollars being spent on houses, food, drink, and fun.... everyone on the planet would be happy, and conflict would dissapear overnight.

that's what humanity needs, that's enlightenment... science, as of today, is ignorance... with a side of arrogant, devil-may-care sauce.

and the risks of tampering around with this shit are great. why would you risk creating a frankenstien? why would you risk blowing up france... well, nm, i might do that.

[Curcio]

and the risks of tampering around with this shit are great. why would you risk creating a frankenstien? why would you risk blowing up france... well, nm, i might do that.
"Because it's cooooool"


Life is too boring otherwise.

[Gibsnag]

i guess i will never understand why we tinker around with this shit. some of you folks may think that these lab coat wearin madmen have everything all well in hand, but they dont.

humans have very, very basic needs, shelter, water, food, fun. how does any of this shit help. CERN is a billions of billions investment, micro biology is too. what do these things produce? nothing worthwhile in my eyes. humans don't need to be smashing molecules, or creating unnatural cellular life. we need to be eating, drinking and having fun. if all science was dedicated to these principals, if there was billions of dollars being spent on houses, food, drink, and fun.... everyone on the planet would be happy, and conflict would dissapear overnight.

that's what humanity needs, that's enlightenment... science, as of today, is ignorance... with a side of arrogant, devil-may-care sauce.

and the risks of tampering around with this shit are great. why would you risk creating a frankenstien? why would you risk blowing up france... well, nm, i might do that.

If you think modern science is so bad then get the fuck off the internet. Stop using medicine. Stop using electricity. I hope you enjoy dying at 50 of an entirely treatable disease.

You want to know the reason why people like science, and why science has such a large focus in the modern world? Because it fucking works.

Oh, and Frankenstein was the creator not the monster.

[Delwyn]

i guess i will never understand why we tinker around with this shit. some of you folks may think that these lab coat wearin madmen have everything all well in hand, but they dont.

humans have very, very basic needs, shelter, water, food, fun. how does any of this shit help. CERN is a billions of billions investment, micro biology is too. what do these things produce? nothing worthwhile in my eyes. humans don't need to be smashing molecules, or creating unnatural cellular life. we need to be eating, drinking and having fun. if all science was dedicated to these principals, if there was billions of dollars being spent on houses, food, drink, and fun.... everyone on the planet would be happy, and conflict would dissapear overnight.

that's what humanity needs, that's enlightenment... science, as of today, is ignorance... with a side of arrogant, devil-may-care sauce.

and the risks of tampering around with this shit are great. why would you risk creating a frankenstien? why would you risk blowing up france... well, nm, i might do that.

Wow. Are you some sort of a religious hippie or something?

Sounds like it. Oh, and stop using the internet-formerly-known-as-an-electronic-weapon you hyppocrite.

[Curcio]

If you think modern science is so bad then get the fuck off the internet. Stop using medicine. Stop using electricity. I hope you enjoy dying at 50 of an entirely treatable disease.

You want to know the reason why people like science, and why science has such a large focus in the modern world? Because it fucking works.

Oh, and Frankenstein was the creator not the monster.
I smell flame....

[Futurity]

You're probably a troll but I'll bite.

1. I didn't say anything about my beliefs. What the fuck are you talking about?


Oh you did mentioned your belief, when you said "It's just a matter of time before figure out exactly how the same reactions can happen in nature and prove it's possible", because you believe that it happened billions of years ago. Since it happened in the past, we can not observe it, it is gone so in no way we can find out how it happened.


2. No, You're missing the point. It's a fallacy to say scientists doing it is proof for them being needed to do so. It DOES prove that chemically possible for molecules coming together under natural conditions from inanimate compounds and creating life.
Did you even read OPs article??
Even its topic says it all: "Biologists(creators) on the Verge of Creating New Form of Life(creation)"

Because of your religious fanaticism you clearly try to imply that they observed the life being created by itself in a laboratory.
They admit, that: "a lab led by Jack Szostak, a molecular biologist at Harvard Medical School, is building simple cell models that can almost be called life"

[Gunther TheBlack]

So are we now the gods of the life forms we created?


Cool!

[Gunther TheBlack]

i guess i will never understand why we tinker around with this shit. some of you folks may think that these lab coat wearin madmen have everything all well in hand, but they dont.

humans have very, very basic needs, shelter, water, food, fun. how does any of this shit help. CERN is a billions of billions investment, micro biology is too. what do these things produce? nothing worthwhile in my eyes. humans don't need to be smashing molecules, or creating unnatural cellular life. we need to be eating, drinking and having fun. if all science was dedicated to these principals, if there was billions of dollars being spent on houses, food, drink, and fun.... everyone on the planet would be happy, and conflict would dissapear overnight.

that's what humanity needs, that's enlightenment... science, as of today, is ignorance... with a side of arrogant, devil-may-care sauce.

and the risks of tampering around with this shit are great. why would you risk creating a frankenstien? why would you risk blowing up france... well, nm, i might do that.


Go live in the woods, eat plants and die of rabies.

[surGeonFFS]

i guess i will never understand why we tinker around with this shit. some of you folks may think that these lab coat wearin madmen have everything all well in hand, but they dont.

humans have very, very basic needs, shelter, water, food, fun. how does any of this shit help. CERN is a billions of billions investment, micro biology is too. what do these things produce? nothing worthwhile in my eyes. humans don't need to be smashing molecules, or creating unnatural cellular life. we need to be eating, drinking and having fun. if all science was dedicated to these principals, if there was billions of dollars being spent on houses, food, drink, and fun.... everyone on the planet would be happy, and conflict would dissapear overnight.

that's what humanity needs, that's enlightenment... science, as of today, is ignorance... with a side of arrogant, devil-may-care sauce.

and the risks of tampering around with this shit are great. why would you risk creating a frankenstien? why would you risk blowing up france... well, nm, i might do that.

What the fuck are you doing on the internet then, go out and play in the woods. Science is the source of almost everything that makes life fun and satisfies our needs for shelter, food and comfort.

Oh you did mentioned your belief, when you said "It's just a matter of time before figure out exactly how the same reactions can happen in nature and prove it's possible", because you believe that it happened billions of years ago. Since it happened in the past, we can not observe it, it is gone so in no way we can find out how it happened.

That's not a belief, that's a prediction, a well founded one at that if you look at history. Btw, Proving it's possible will in effect prove how life came to exist since Science doesn't factor in magical invisible beings.

Did you even read OPs article??
Even its topic says it all: "Biologists(creators) on the Verge of Creating New Form of Life(creation)"

Because of your religious fanaticism you clearly try to imply that they observed the life being created by itself in a laboratory.
They admit, that: "a lab led by Jack Szostak, a molecular biologist at Harvard Medical School, is building simple cell models that can almost be called life"

Building as in providing the right conditions for reactions. You don't understand biology or chemistry, do you? I told you chemistry isn't like carpentry. If it can happen in a lab it can most likely happen in nature over huge timelines.

[Septus]

Yes, created, like every creation demands a creator.

So you're admitting that God isn't an infallible, omnipotent being then? Good stuff.

[Dazarthas]

Science + over 9000 points
God = 0


Flying Spaghetti Monster = ∞

You can go ahead and add that to science. The FSM is a sciencey god.

[MattMystrieo]

Serious question~

1)If this works and we can make new life can we make animals however we want to like Spore? (obviously after more research)

2) Will they be able to get DNA from fossils and bring the dinosaurs back?

[iLoveMonkeys]

oh my :ninja: ninja turtles on the way

[Curcio]

Serious question~

1)If this works and we can make new life can we make animals however we want to like Spore? (obviously after more research)

2) Will they be able to get DNA from fossils and bring the dinosaurs back?
Even better... Manbearpig!!!

[Septus]

Serious question~

1)If this works and we can make new life can we make animals however we want to like Spore? (obviously after more research)

2) Will they be able to get DNA from fossils and bring the dinosaurs back?

"obviously after more research" is an understatement. This isn't even in the same ballpark.

[terafis]

The third antichrist has arrived - and his name is Jack W. Szostak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Szostak)

This harbinger of death and his evil minions (http://genetics.mgh.harvard.edu/szostakweb/people.html) have one thing on their mind - the destruction of the human race.

[MattMystrieo]

"obviously after more research" is an understatement. This isn't even in the same ballpark.

I always take my balls home with me after playing in the park.

[kingpin]

good news.

how capable are we however to control whatever we create?

anyone saw the movie evolution? :eek:

[Thaeds]

Math is the only infallible truth.

God = good
Cake = good
Cake = lie
god = lie

done

[verlox2]

Zombies!!!

And cake is tasty thank you, though pie is better.

[Bamboopanda]

i guess i will never understand why we tinker around with this shit. some of you folks may think that these lab coat wearin madmen have everything all well in hand, but they dont.

humans have very, very basic needs, shelter, water, food, fun. how does any of this shit help. CERN is a billions of billions investment, micro biology is too. what do these things produce? nothing worthwhile in my eyes. humans don't need to be smashing molecules, or creating unnatural cellular life. we need to be eating, drinking and having fun. if all science was dedicated to these principals, if there was billions of dollars being spent on houses, food, drink, and fun.... everyone on the planet would be happy, and conflict would dissapear overnight.

that's what humanity needs, that's enlightenment... science, as of today, is ignorance... with a side of arrogant, devil-may-care sauce.

and the risks of tampering around with this shit are great. why would you risk creating a frankenstien? why would you risk blowing up france... well, nm, i might do that.

Stop watching movies Mr Ignorant Neanderthal. You could have said the same thing about guns, but they have turn around and been the greatest boon to freedoms and liberty ever brought forth since the dawn of agriculture. Just because you are Chicken Little and are happy with the way things are now, does not mean that we need to fear the future.

[Teth]

This is pretty fucking awesome, I must say. I am always down with scientific hubris.

[Lord Caim]

To replace mexican migrant workers?