City building?

[AlmostLife]

Ok from what I see cities just pop out of the ground.... Is this sped up to not bore me to death or do they really pop out of the ground. Is there a constuction skill? Does it take resources or just money?

If anyone could answer my questions I would be one happy forumfaller.

[Xzi]

Unknown. We didn't get a look at what someone actually sees when constructing a city. It may be a top-down view that allows you to place pre-designed buildings within a certain area, or maybe you have to first design them yourself and then place them. Who knows.

[Shaehl]

First you need raw materials, which can be mined/chopped/gathered at resource nodes throughout the world. Then crafter use those and probably some other things to create the schematics/deed/whatever for a particular building. A clan with a clanstone in their control can place the buildings in their territory.

[AlmostLife]

Well I really need to frekin know cause if so Im just going to be a nomad if the city building system sucks.

[Shaehl]

Well I really need to frekin know cause if so Im just going to be a nomad if the city building system sucks.

The City building system is probably one of DF's the deepest features. It won't suck.

[AlmostLife]

The City building system is probably one of DF's the deepest features. It won't suck.

How the fuck do you know that?!?!?! The city desrtuction sucks ass for sure. I dont wanna have some shit deed or something... I wanna fucking build the city myself! Not watch it rise cause I bought some fucking deeds.

[Shaehl]

How the fuck do you know that?!?!?! The city desrtuction sucks ass for sure. I dont wanna have some shit deed or something... I wanna fucking build the city myself! Not watch it rise cause I bought some fucking deeds.

Because the devs have said so fucktard.

What do you mean "build it yourself"? You wanna construct shit lego style? Fuck that. That's lame, boring, and no one wants to put that kind of time and effort into the process. The fun part about city-building comes with what you do with the city after it's built, not with a long and drawn out construction animation.

Really, your argument amounts to, "I don't want to live in a city because the construction animation (which I probably will never even be around to see) and the destruction animation (which, if my clan runs its shit right, I will probably never see) are lame."

GTFO.

[AlmostLife]

Because the devs have said so fucktard.

What do you mean "build it yourself"? You wanna construct shit lego style? Fuck that. That's lame, boring, and no one wants to put that kind of time and effort into the process. The fun part about city-building comes with what you do with the city after it's built, not with a long and drawn out construction animation.

Really, your argument amounts to, "I don't want to live in a city because the construction animation (which I probably will never even be around to see) and the destruction animation (which, if my clan runs its shit right, I will probably never see) are lame."

GTFO.

What the fucking hell are you even talking about?

1. I didnt mean build it brick by brick, I ment just assigning you character to a building then he or she builds it. Then builds funiture and shit.

2. You probably will if its done how I would do it. Unless your a lazy ass noob and in that case you wouldnt be in a guild in the first place (at least not a good 1)

3. You will when you either attack a city or when I destroy yours.

Dont even attempt to flame me noob.

[Shaehl]

What the fucking hell are you even talking about?

1. I didnt mean build it brick by brick, I ment just assigning you character to a building then he or she builds it. Then builds funiture and shit.

2. You probably will if its done how I would do it. Unless your a lazy ass noob and in that case you wouldnt be in a guild in the first place (at least not a good 1)

3. You will when you either attack a city or when I destroy yours.

Dont even attempt to flame me noob.

Pfft, nubcake. You said "city-building" not house-placement. You will be able to place your personal house within a city (assuming you've got shit worked out with the owners) if you get the deed or whatever from a crafter. I'm assuming you will also be able to decorate said house.

[Realbigdeal22]

What the fucking hell are you even talking about?

1. I didnt mean build it brick by brick, I ment just assigning you character to a building then he or she builds it. Then builds funiture and shit.

2. You probably will if its done how I would do it. Unless your a lazy ass noob and in that case you wouldnt be in a guild in the first place (at least not a good 1)

3. You will when you either attack a city or when I destroy yours.

Dont even attempt to flame me noob.

Your definition of the word noob is exacly like runescape and wow.

In wow,i was lazy.Thats why i dint continu after level 55.Yes you can say im a noob.At least i have a life.

If you start calling ppl lazy ass noob because they cant wait for then get in action,go back to wow.We dont whant players like you wo spawn (noob!)when he see someone whit low gear and when you would get killed,you will say(this game have a bunch of noob.Il go back to wow were every level 80 are pro.)

[Nabisco17]

What the fucking hell are you even talking about?

1. I didnt mean build it brick by brick, I ment just assigning you character to a building then he or she builds it. Then builds funiture and shit.

2. You probably will if its done how I would do it. Unless your a lazy ass noob and in that case you wouldnt be in a guild in the first place (at least not a good 1)

3. You will when you either attack a city or when I destroy yours.

Dont even attempt to flame me noob.

I never expected it to be that complex.

You shouldn't have expected that much either.

[Bojangles34]

You should be able to design buildings or pick from pre-designed blueprints. Then you need the required wood/metal/stone/money. Then it should take some time depending on the size. Sorry if this was stated but I didn't feel like reading through your arguing to post.

[AlmostLife]

You should be able to design buildings or pick from pre-designed blueprints. Then you need the required wood/metal/stone/money. Then it should take some time depending on the size. Sorry if this was stated but I didn't feel like reading through your arguing to post.

Your an idiot then...

Increase your skills not your bills

[Shaehl]

I dont play WoW, I hate WoW with every fiber of my being.



WTF? HOUSE FUCKING PLACEMENT!?!?!?!? FUCKING NOOOB WITH CANT I GET THIS THOUGH YOUR HEAD THAT HAVING BUIILDING POP OUT OF THE FROUND IS FUCKING GAY!!

Im talking about building and disigning your stucter first (takes skill) then putting funiture in it (not just in houses) Im talking tables beds storage chests, fluffy shit just to play with, you name it.

Increase yours skills not your bills!

STFU and put down the crack, fool. I already said you could almost certainly fuck with the furniture in your house after it is built. Also, If you want a certain styled building then fucking buy the schematic from a crafter who makes that style of house--or be the fucking crafter.

What you're complaining about (at least according to your previous statements) still boils down to not liking the fact that houses are placed and don't have a drawn out process of construction. Again, GTFO.

[DarkCroe]

I'm still torn on this; buildings popping up out of the ground seems a little weird but fast, and building piece by piece takes longer but more realistic....

[AlmostLife]

STFU and put down the crack, fool. I already said you could almost certainly fuck with the furniture in your house after it is built. Also, If you want a certain styled building then fucking buy the schematic from a crafter who makes that style of house--or be the fucking crafter.

What you're complaining about (at least according to your previous statements) still boils down to not liking the fact that houses are placed and don't have a drawn out process of construction. Again, GTFO.

Im not buying a fucking schematic Im not buying a fucking Deed or anything else like that. If thats the way its done Ill fucking make my own game. If not fuck yeah and goodnight.

[Jayaris]

This is clearly just some sad kid trying to troll, I'm going to go buy your dad another round so he beats you extra hard this time AlmostLife!

[AlmostLife]

This is clearly just some sad kid trying to troll, I'm going to go buy your dad another round so he beats you extra hard this time AlmostLife!

What... who the fuck are you? I bet your just some poser who got here yesterday.

Ive been lurking for a year and posting for about 5 months. GFY.

[KellorKleft]

Im not buying a fucking schematic Im not buying a fucking Deed or anything else like that. If thats the way its done Ill fucking make my own game. If not fuck yeah and goodnight.

The door is thataway: ----->
Good night, sir.

[Draconaes]

Im not buying a fucking schematic Im not buying a fucking Deed or anything else like that. If thats the way its done Ill fucking make my own game. If not fuck yeah and goodnight.

:bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang:

This game is not, afaik, a construction focused game. I'm pretty sure you will need a deed or schematic or w/e to place a building. If you won't play the game because of this then oh well, cya.

[Fraden]

I was really hoping it was ganna be better then that Age of Conan building system where you 'order' a castle and it just appears. That just pisses me off.

Hopefully when they get outta debt they can make it more intricate.

[Jayaris]

What... who the fuck are you? I bet your just some poser who got here yesterday.

Ive been lurking for a year and posting for about 5 months. GFY.

A year!? Woah, could I please get your autograph. I know I hit a little close to home when I made that joke about you're father but c'mon calling me a poser that shit really hurt my feelings, try to be a little more considerate in future.

[Draconaes]

Ive been lurking for a year and posting for about 5 months. GFY.

I suppose that puts you close to the status of a minor diety around here?

[Mooge]

http://www.funman.com.au/media/Thumbs-Up.jpg

[AlmostLife]

:bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang:

This game is not, afaik, a construction focused game. I'm pretty sure you will need a deed or schematic or w/e to place a building. If you won't play the game because of this then oh well, cya.

Im sticking around until I see for sure. If its fucked up like Shadowbane, Ultima, ex. then I will put Darkfall right below WoW on my hate list.

[Archbow]

Dude, Almostlife. Chill out bro. Not something to go balls out nutso over. Go with the flow and discuss, not sling arguments to get your way.


My own two cents, never done any type of guild housing before, i'm really interested on how DF will work it out. Can picture bits of it being loaded at a time with the "at work" soun playing.

[KellorKleft]

Im sticking around until I see for sure. If its fucked up like Shadowbane, Ultima, ex. then I will put Darkfall right below WoW on my hate list.

....Because buildings pop out of the ground?

[AlmostLife]

....Because buildings pop out of the ground?

Hell yes!

[KellorKleft]

Hell yes!

:lmao:

'Well, in the latest QA Tasos said building a city would take around a month to build. Either that could be from building and/or obtaining resources for it.

[Jayaris]

I was just thinking, I should be able to urinate in your mortar for the bricks and then it should render it useless meaning you have to wait 17 hours for a new batch..

[AlmostLife]

:lmao:

'Well, in the latest QA Tasos said building a city would take around a month to build. Either that could be from building and/or obtaining resources for it.

FUCK YES!

Thats gives me hope. Thank you young man.

[KellorKleft]

FUCK YES!

Thats gives me hope. Thank you young man.

Also, I think it is apparent that building destruction will be upped quite a bit before the game launches. We'll have to see. I think only the Devs at the moment know how city construction is going to be.

[Realbigdeal22]

FUCK YES!

Thats gives me hope. Thank you young man.

Anyway,il be in a guidl were we dont need crafter.PVP skill is all we need to steel everything.Atleast a crafter to make our gear everytime we die would be ok.

[AlmostLife]

Also, I think it is apparent that building destruction will be upped quite a bit before the game launches. We'll have to see. I think only the Devs at the moment know how city construction is going to be.

*Drops down on floor and crys* "You are wise boy! Go elsewere for I am not well enough to be in your presence!"

[Aeros]

ZOMG I didn't get my ownage 1337 Crysis style graphics simulation of the buildings going down. Now I'm going to rant about how I hate this awesome full pvp mechanism, this awesome full loot system, and the aspect of 10000 players on one server at a time without instances. I just hate this game so much because of its open class-less system and 100% of it being dependent on player skill. I wish I was back in aoc!
That's pretty much what i got out of your first few posts (OP) and I stopped reading the rest.
Mate you gotta understand that this is pretty much like an fps with 10,000 people in it, with over 1,000 skills, that's gonna cause some lag if we put in all these fancy animations, death simulations, and other neat animations that are in today's "great" games. We neglect to see the great progress Darkfall has made in terms of all other aspects, once we compare its graphics to aoc or even crysis. It's a shame that people judge the game for its graphics and don't acknowledge that this game is finally going to come out. All I'm saying is you should give it a chance, before judging it based off a few lousy animations.

[Shaehl]

FUCK YES!

Thats gives me hope. Thank you young man.

I still have no idea what you're fucking whining about. You don't want to buy deeds, which would be used to place the building. What do you want then? You want to buy each fucking log and go into super Arts and Crafts Simulator 2000 mode to arrange them into something that resembles a building? Fuck that.

City's will take a long time to build. But that's because it will take a long time to collect all the resources and skills necessary to create the schems for each house/city wall chunk/government building/etc. and to control a clan stone.

[Anduvius]

Apart from the nonsense spouting from the one that started this thread, I think that its a very good chance the ones selected for beta test will make sure they get all the info on how building is done and how easy it is to tear it all down.

But, as with all things in life, you gotta do some things your own self. Even if it means bullying others into doing it for you hehe.

Disregard my post if you don't have a clue of what I'm talking about.

[Bojangles34]

Lol this kid with his e-rage.

[Mordheimer]

I've been wondering about City building lately. I suspect that everyone in their various guilds might have to do a lot of resource gathering at the start in order to build their guild town, because the early city builders will have a nice edge over the competition. But this is just speculation and I'm not sure how it all works.

[Dullard]

I dont play WoW, I hate WoW with every fiber of my being.



WTF? HOUSE FUCKING PLACEMENT!?!?!?!? FUCKING NOOOB WITH CANT I GET THIS THOUGH YOUR HEAD THAT HAVING BUIILDING POP OUT OF THE FROUND IS FUCKING GAY!!

Im talking about building and disigning your stucter first (takes skill) then putting funiture in it (not just in houses) Im talking tables beds storage chests, fluffy shit just to play with, you name it.

Increase yours skills not your bills!
YES!!! NO BUILDINGS POPPING OUT OF THE FROUND!!!

[AlmostLife]

Apart from the nonsense spouting from the one that started this thread, I think that its a very good chance the ones selected for beta test will make sure they get all the info on how building is done and how easy it is to tear it all down.

But, as with all things in life, you gotta do some things your own self. Even if it means bullying others into doing it for you hehe.

Disregard my post if you don't have a clue of what I'm talking about.

Your a fuck head... Its no nonsence, its the way it should be...

No game has done it before and its a really good feature to have a conscruction skill. I may take a little longer to create the building (not lego style stupid fucktard) and all the funiture and stuff but thats the fun part. Imagine looking at a whole city you and your friends build from sctratch and all of the building are unique. Its gotta be a pretty good feeling. Then imagine you just bought some fucking deed and placed all the buildings.

[monkeyofsquirrel]

Fan Question: What will the construction system be like? Also, will players be able to create a city in mountains or in underground locations?

Tasos Flambouras: I'm not going to directly answer this question because we intend to show you at some point how the construction system works. Describing it here is not descriptive enough. We've said before that "building anywhere" is relative. In Darkfall you can't build in any location you want, but this provides with unique clan cities built in awesome locations. So your clan city can be built on top of a glacier, have a waterfall hiding its entrance, be built on several levels on the side and in caverns inside a mountain, have secret underwater entrances, on a remote island...that kind of thing. These clan city features are not just about aesthetics, like where you ask about customizations, there is functionality in their layout. Darkfall's clan cities are extremely impressive and no two will be the same. Furthermore their location is strategic as far as geography and proximity to limited resources, making them points of conflict.

Dev Journal 23.

From that we can guess it is somewhat intricate. But, well, they also haven't shown us yet.

Fan Question: How long does it take a build city from a let's say guild with ~80 working hour a day (with sufficient funds given)? How long does it take to tear down a city from group of ~80 who have already conquered the city?

Tasos Flambouras: I hate to estimate but let's say you could fully build up a city if you're working hard at it in about a month. That estimate could be way off at launch, but at least you know that it doesn't take three days or a year. Then you can break down the city a building a day or a building section (for fortifications) a day. Of course it's not efficient to do that when you could keep the city you conquered.
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Another quote.

And I believe there was one I cannot find saying you can design all building personally and rather intricately. So it sounds like it'll be good.

[H2liveshot]

Its a bata so we dont know. you will probably have to build them or somethin.

[rensta]

Want to build your own house? go play sims. this is an online game that is focused on fighting.
if you even get to choos the place of your house you should be greatfull.

But on the other hand i can agree with you about the pooping up shit,I realy dont want cities pooping up from no where.
i think you need to make the city time build about 5Hours for a villeg and 1whole day for a town,the more people from the same guile/? the faster it goes :20minuts per person+skills that add better crafting(bonus?)time.

[bigbadcaemen]

haha i just love how we are fighting over this, the fact that we get any say in how anything is built makes this game about 10,000 times better than all the rest, who cares if you dont get to decorate it to perfection, its still awesome.

[AlmostLife]

haha i just love how we are fighting over this, the fact that we get any say in how anything is built makes this game about 10,000 times better than all the rest, who cares if you dont get to decorate it to perfection, its still awesome.

I dont completely agree with you. Actually I dont agree with you at all.

[Akinos]

Im talking about building and disigning your stucter first (takes skill) then putting funiture in it (not just in houses) Im talking tables beds storage chests, fluffy shit just to play with, you name it.

If that is what you want go play Sims :lmao::p
or Sims on holliday :ninja:

[AzureShadow]

Almostlife, you might wanna actually finish getting that life.

From what I bothered reading of your bullshit, you're a whiny brat troll who has no idea what the fuck he is talking about.

If you end up playing this game, I will kill you every single time I see you. We don't need assholes like you in Darkfall.

GO BACK TO WOW.

[AlmostLife]

If that is what you want go play Sims :lmao::p
or Sims on holliday :ninja:

Dude I dont play the sims. The sims is for 10 year olds who think theyre hard core MMOers.

I dont care if I cant decorate it. I just want it to take skill to build something. Crafting skill. For ex. a person with 5 constuction cannot build a castle but can build a small house and work there way up to castles and stuff. To increase skill you build structers and funiture. Then you start building for your guild and stuff and eventually you got 99 constuction.

EDIT: FOR THE LAST TIME I DONT PLAY WOW GO FUCK YOURSELF FOR THINKING THAT!

[Bojangles34]

Dude I dont play the sims. The sims is for 10 year olds who think theyre hard core MMOers.

I dont care if I cant decorate it. I just want it to take skill to build something. Crafting skill. For ex. a person with 5 constuction cannot build a castle but can build a small house and work there way up to castles and stuff. To increase skill you build structers and funiture. Then you start building for your guild and stuff and eventually you got 99 constuction.

EDIT: FOR THE LAST TIME I DONT PLAY WOW GO FUCK YOURSELF FOR THINKING THAT!

In this thread you have pretty much portrayed yourself as a 10 year old who wants to make DF a sims game with fighting. Some people don't have the time to build a house from scratch. If you want to do that there should be an option but there should also be a choice to make pre-designed building plan. You should have to have a required crafting level and the needed materials. If not you should have to pay someone to build it for you.

[Akinos]

Dude I dont play the sims. The sims is for 10 year olds who think theyre hard core MMOers.

I dont care if I cant decorate it. I just want it to take skill to build something. Crafting skill. For ex. a person with 5 constuction cannot build a castle but can build a small house and work there way up to castles and stuff. To increase skill you build structers and funiture. Then you start building for your guild and stuff and eventually you got 99 constuction.

EDIT: FOR THE LAST TIME I DONT PLAY WOW GO FUCK YOURSELF FOR THINKING THAT!

Dude you need to chillout... C'mon we are all here because we love DF, if you don't then please go find another game and whine about it.
peace

[Knocky]

Dude I dont play the sims. The sims is for 10 year olds who think theyre hard core MMOers.

I dont care if I cant decorate it. I just want it to take skill to build something. Crafting skill. For ex. a person with 5 constuction cannot build a castle but can build a small house and work there way up to castles and stuff. To increase skill you build structers and funiture. Then you start building for your guild and stuff and eventually you got 99 constuction.

EDIT: FOR THE LAST TIME I DONT PLAY WOW GO FUCK YOURSELF FOR THINKING THAT!

User number 56120,

House deeds don't make themselves. Everything in this game will be player made. You want to build your own house, then you use up some skill points and go up that tree. You can also make your own furniture if you choose to spend skill points in that tree.

If you want to be ganked on a regular basis, then continue to piss off everyone on these forums so no one will want your crafting ass in their Clan.

Then the players that skill up on combat skills only will bend you over the nearest stump and have their way with your ass.

Enjoy Darkfall my good friend.

[Thorpeyrox]

Well I really need to frekin know cause if so Im just going to be a nomad if the city building system sucks.

Nomad it is, without 400 players + you won't be getting a city/town/village.

[Thorpeyrox]

Dude I dont play the sims. The sims is for 10 year olds who think theyre hard core MMOers.

I dont care if I cant decorate it. I just want it to take skill to build something. Crafting skill. For ex. a person with 5 constuction cannot build a castle but can build a small house and work there way up to castles and stuff. To increase skill you build structers and funiture. Then you start building for your guild and stuff and eventually you got 99 constuction.

EDIT: FOR THE LAST TIME I DONT PLAY WOW GO FUCK YOURSELF FOR THINKING THAT!

You need a Clan Stone inorder to build a house or a designated area, you won't be building a house.

[Deneb]

Almostlife, you might wanna actually finish getting that life.

lol, I knew someone would say something like that :D

[Devant]

The most probable sounds a LotR RTS with predefined spots for buildings and walls, and each clan placing what it wants on those spots. About materials, they said there want be any "architect" skill, so probably you just pay to place them, but sounds ok if you excange the materials for the scematics and place them where you want within predefined spots.

[Druss The Axman]

I never tought I would see the day where I see a MMO player bitchin about the house building system in a MMORPG. 'Tis a sad age we live in :(!

The only game I can recall having a "costume" house building system was UO, and even there you had to buy a house placement tool to place the ground floor. And from there you could raise the walls and other floors. No skill involved if I recall correctly.

And please, if you are one of those bitchy kids who complain about every single aspect of the game that doesn't tickle them in the right spot do us a favor and go play sims or whatever the fuck you like, I-Hate-WoW-So-Much-My-Head-Will-Explode-And-I'll-Bitch-About-It-Boy, because MMO's don't need more attention whores.

Thanks for reading ;).

[Darknight125]

I dont play WoW, I hate WoW with every fiber of my being.



WTF? HOUSE FUCKING PLACEMENT!?!?!?!? FUCKING NOOOB WITH CANT I GET THIS THOUGH YOUR HEAD THAT HAVING BUIILDING POP OUT OF THE FROUND IS FUCKING GAY!!

Im talking about building and disigning your stucter first (takes skill) then putting funiture in it (not just in houses) Im talking tables beds storage chests, fluffy shit just to play with, you name it.

Increase yours skills not your bills!
unless you looking for an ip ban stfu it ;)

[bigbadcaemen]

i still think the way they have set up the building aspect of this game is amazing, it pretty much has everything that all the other MMOGs ive played are missing, cant wait to play

[bigbadcaemen]

User number 56120,

House deeds don't make themselves. Everything in this game will be player made. You want to build your own house, then you use up some skill points and go up that tree. You can also make your own furniture if you choose to spend skill points in that tree.

If you want to be ganked on a regular basis, then continue to piss off everyone on these forums so no one will want your crafting ass in their Clan.

Then the players that skill up on combat skills only will bend you over the nearest stump and have their way with your ass.

Enjoy Darkfall my good friend.


hahaha right on with that one

[MikeChas]

Im pretty sure from what i have read that buildings will be custom and from watching videos that building rise out of the ground but there may be a building time from the time you place it and the time it rises. It all depends and we will have to see as people has said it is beta so give it a little longer and im sure between the players assisting the developers it will look awesome.

[StormZ]

I dont think any details have been officially released but i believe its going to be the same way they do it in Age of Conan. Markers placed where a building is going to be and you just pick what you want there (and walls will have their own spot).

Im pretty sure they had it sped up....i hope they did atleast.

[Rivindel]

I dont think they sped up the construction *effect*, or distruction effect by the speed at which the defenders fell.


So.. my opinion is yes the bulidings sprout, and disappear in the way we saw them in the video. No big deal.. its a simpler system.

What we dont know for sure yet is wether buildings require resources to build or if its only money.. or both. And however they are saved for.. will it require an npc building it, will it be a clanstone option, will it require players to have points in a particular crafting skill. These we dont know for sure.

My guess is they will make it a clanstone option, that only requires gold to purchase. Simplest and one I dont like at all.

What I hope they do is make it a clanstone option that requires a certain amount of each resource, more or less of each depending on the type of building, and that in order to construct this building the guild also has to pay a large amount of gold, again based on the type of building they want to place..... (argue that this is for an npc architech). After they have the resource, gold and clanstone menu up... sure... they can build the building instantly. I have no problems with that... its fair enough.

Ofcourse idealy maybe even down the road in development they can add a construction site model... that way enemies of the clan can foresee construction and maybe destroy it it in a flash raid... costing the defenders the gold.. but not the resources that was required.. I like.... but its not necessary.

[kupo]

well i think they might instantly pop up but build up hitpoints and when it maxes you can use it

[Jreed]

after reading this thread, I have nothing to contribute